PENNER TRADED TO LA

Wanye
February 28 2011 12:39PM

According to TSN "The Dustin Penner era in Edmonton is over."

The Oilers have pulled the trigger on a major deal, sending F Dustin Penner to LA for D Colten Teubert, the Kings First Round Pick in 2011 and a Conditional Pick in 2012.

So before we all go out and immediately purchase Colten Teubert jerseys, hats and collectible stamps let's take a summary look at who we are dealing with here. Remember that this is only the start of commentary that will "dig deep" and "find the real truth."

WHAT DID THE OIL GET?

Colten Teubert is a 6 foot 4 inch D man whom the Kings took 13th overall back in the 2008 draft. He is currently playing for Manchester in the AHL. Hmm.

Oooh! And he played for the Pats. And he has a Silver and Gold medal in the World Juniors. That's something ain't it?

REMEMBERING DUSTIN PENNER

Remember the fun we used to all have calling Penner a big blob of donair meat back in 2008 when he was underperforming on his massive contract? Remember how he has shoved it up our collective back side every year since?

We never quite knew what to make of ol' DP, but it is clear that in going to LA and joining Smyth, Stoll and Greene he won't lack for former Oilers Alumni to show him around the beaches of California if he cannot recall his time in Anaheim.

This trade is sure going to leave a massive hole in the goal scoring corps, a rather timid bunch to begin with. But on the other hand the Oilers have hella cap space to do something, if "doing something" is ever in the cards.

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#1 Chris.
February 28 2011, 01:06PM
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Lombardi: Hemsky?

Steve: Schenn?

Unison: Can't do that.

Lombardi: Penner?

Steve: Schenn?

Lombardi: Can't do that.

Steve: Then F*ck you. Go down the stretch with what you have Dean.

(What should have happened)

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#2 Bucknuck
February 28 2011, 01:19PM
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Very tired of proven goal scorers going to other teams for maybe's. When is that going to stop do you think?

Smyth, Arnott, Pronger, Marchant, Weight, Guerin, Messier, Gretzky.

All those names and nothing back in return other than maybes.

I am sick of it.

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#4 RossCreekNation
February 28 2011, 02:16PM
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Bad deal.

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#5 John Chambers
February 28 2011, 09:11PM
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I had a thought today - LA sucked the hind banana for years, developing Brown, Kopitar, Doughty, and soon Bernier ... they made a number of clever trades that saw Kyle Quincey, Tim Gleason, and Patrick O'Sullivan go out the door to return Justin Williams, Jack Johnson, and Ryan Smyth. They have a deep pool of propects that they dipped into today to acquire Penner.

This was a long process for LA, beginning prior to the lockout. Not only are they likely to make the playoffs for a second straight year, their talent pipeline (Schenn, Voynov, Blah Blah Blah) will not just sustain, but accelerate their competitiveness for about a decade.

They are a good example of how to re-build for the long-term. LA fans saw their share of talent-shedding - Pavol Demitra flipped for Patrick O'Sullivan in '06, and Mike Cammalleri traded for what would eventually become ... Colton Teubert.

One day ... maybe in 2013 or 2014 we'll deal our picks and 4th or 5th best prospects for real NHL players. Until that day comes, Teubert, Marincin, Lander, and Curtis Hamilton will become NHL players who help compliment the Hall's, Paajarvi's and Couturiers (hopefully) that make up our young star-studded lineup.

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#6 BUCK75
February 28 2011, 12:39PM
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WIN!!!!

Another couple of bullets for MB, a stay at home defenceman "project". I like this.

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#7 OHBOY
February 28 2011, 12:58PM
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A project player and a draft pick in a soft draft year... this team is going nowhere fast with the management team. Should trade all of them for a bag of pucks. By the time ,more draft picks develop Hall, Eberle, and the crew want out.

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#8 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
February 28 2011, 01:19PM
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Banger wrote:

Sorry, i didnt see you threw that nasty monster Gilbert into that. Your right, no one else is needed back there.

I saw Gilbert throw a hit, once.

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#10 Chris.
February 28 2011, 01:23PM
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I wrote this a few days ago:

This is what makes me insane: if Hemsky Penner is dumped (ala Ryan Smyth) for some picks and marginal propects there will be almost no real tangible backlash... And things will continue business as usual for this floundering management team. We will hear platitudes like, "it will be a few years before we really know who won that trade"... Then there will be inuendo that Hemsky Penner wasn't going to resign anyway and there will be hints that there were character issues (again see Ryan Smyth). Once again, like has happened so many times before, talent will flow out of Edmonton and management will skate from any responsibility for failing to create an organization that players actually wish to remain a part of past age 25.

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#11 Cool Beans
February 28 2011, 01:24PM
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Doug Sorensen wrote:

Petry is 175 lbs, Strudwick is not an NHL defenseman, and Gilbert doesn't play like the 215 pounder he is.

We need size on both sides of the equation sir.

If Gilbert is 215 pounds, 39 pounds of that is hair products.

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#12 Stickaforkinit
February 28 2011, 01:30PM
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What a garbage trade. Further evidence that the team doesn't need an overhaul management does. Wow I feel sorry for the season ticket holders of this garbage. How do you say going nowhere fast.

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#13 superkk
February 28 2011, 01:32PM
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If this is what Tambellini got for Penner can he really be trusted to be in charge of the rebuild? With no tangible return for Penner this sets the Oilers even further back. I have ZERO faith in Tambellini moving forward!

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#14 rubbertrout
February 28 2011, 01:39PM
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Wanye wrote:

Thanks for linking this D. Now can you find a link that declares Teubert awesome and that the Oilers will make the playoffs next year?

*googles this exact phrase in the hope something comes up*

I did just that and found this page.

I don't know what to think. Skilled 240 pound players are tough to find. All the talking heads appear to think that the Oil got the better of the deal but I know very little about the King's prospect so who knows.

Presumably the Magnificent Bastard has some idea of what Teubert brings to the table and if he thinks this is worthwhile then I'll cede to his superior knowledge about prospects.

I think this really means that next year is planned to be a wash as well. Think Hemmer is excited about staying or is he just counting down the days until next February for his own golden ticket out of town?

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#15 Clyde Frog
February 28 2011, 01:41PM
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I love how all we have heard is how we need help on defense, how we can't win without addressing our d-core... To the point where people are salivating over Larson, a kid who isn't above #4 on any draft positioning last time I checked.

We trade for a big snarly dman who is not afraid to mix it up (Something we don't have very much of at all in the farm), get a 1st rounder AND a shot at a second rounder. When all the "experts" are telling us to expect nothing more than Fisher like return, if that for a player who was never resigning here. Yet everybody is demanding more?

I think this was a decent return for 1.3 years worth of Penner. Time will tell, but it was the best return on the day as it stands now.

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#16 Crooked
February 28 2011, 03:00PM
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Not a bad move by the Oilers at all.

Penner was an above average talent who got an above average return. He was never an all-star, he was never a 40 goal/80 point player, he was never physical, he didn't work hard every game. I'm surprised Tambi got as much for him as he did. He's 92nd in scoring in the league and was on pace for 27 goals and 51 points this season, so it's not like we're trading away Kurri here.

This trade should allow Paajarvi to get more minutes and should keep Omark in the line-up for the remainder of the season, which seems to be what everyone wanted anyway. If things go horribly on offense, then we can recall Giroux down the stretch. There aren't that many players capable of scoring 60 goals at the AHL level.

The scouts obviously like what they saw in Teubert, and adding a 1st rounder and a 2nd/3rd rounder could yield some excellent results. Hopefully Stu can turn these picks into something that can help this team for a long time.

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#17 Oilchange64
February 28 2011, 06:54PM
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My 2 cents: - We can no longer claim there is no plan, or that we have not been told. 4-6 more long years, and I am concerned that Hall et al will not want to be here if/when it bears fruit - I have stated all yr that I was prepared to write this one off, but wanted to see at least a run at the playoffs next year. No matter what anyone thinks about DP, the team is worse than it was yesterday. I don't think he wanted to stay here (just look out your window) but generally the team that gets the best player wins the trade. So the Oil lose. - I have not been a Tambellini basher to this point but this might do it. Purely because I do not buy into "the plan" - as to the rest of our crap that everyone wanted to see gone I will actually give management a break. They are marginal players on a last place team. What do you expect?

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#18 Peterborough
February 28 2011, 08:11PM
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This trade DOES accellerate the rebuild. What good does having Penner next year do but take key minuets that Hall MPS need to play. make us a little better so we get the 8th pick in 2012 instead of top 4? He Leaves after that season and we get less for him at any other time. His Wife works and lives and LA and man do we know what its like when wifey wants out right??? get ready for more suck next year but maybe playoffs after that and and . . .

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#19 MrCondor
February 28 2011, 12:45PM
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From Hockey News:

79 - D Colten Teubert Age: 20 Date of birth: March 08, 1990 Place of birth: White Rock, B.C., Canada Ht: 6-4 Wt: 194 Shoots: R Salary: $875,000 NHL Seasons: 0-R Drafted by Los Angeles in 2008 (1/13).

CURRENT STATUS: In the minors Profile

ASSETS: Is a nasty defenseman with loads of toughness. Owns a projectable frame and all-around upside. Can also score goals due to a good shot from the point.

FLAWS: Must fill out his frame to fully develop into an all-around blue-liner at the highest level. Needs a bit more refining in the defensive zone.

CAREER POTENTIAL: Potential all-around blue-liner.

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#20 freeze
February 28 2011, 12:49PM
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No playoffs for us next year. Who delivers us an additional 20-30 goals next year?

Lukewarm return. I don't like it. Oilers are much worse today.

Nothing like collecting picks in a weak draft.

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#21 freeze
February 28 2011, 12:51PM
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Oilers were fleeced. This will sit up there with Smyth & Pronger trades. Should have had Voynov.

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#22 edmontoncritic - BRoadwAY
February 28 2011, 12:53PM
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Really need MBS to save this trade. Penner will be a beast in LA in the playoffs especially. MBS oh sweet sweet MBS, please make tambo not look like a retard

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#23 Jeremy
February 28 2011, 12:54PM
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We didn't get fleeced. It's essentially two firsts and a second for an inconsistent player that scored 30 goals once.

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#24 Haajarverle
February 28 2011, 12:55PM
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So no playoffs next year. Not a fan of this. I know he might not have signed, but still not happy. Don't know where we're going to find another 240lb 30 goal scorer.

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#25 Chris.
February 28 2011, 12:56PM
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Oilers just got smaller... and an already crowded group of very suspect D prospects just got even more crowded. I'm not a Tuebert fan.

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#26 Chris.
February 28 2011, 12:58PM
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~...so does this mean Schenn is not available?~

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#27 Chris.
February 28 2011, 01:02PM
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Wanye wrote:

Tuebert is 6 foot 4. They may have lost the Big Man up front but I believe the strategy was to get bigger on the back end.

6'4" and about 190 lbs of gangly prepubescent fury. Where's the beef?

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#28 Albertaboy111
February 28 2011, 01:04PM
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I think this trade is a bad one in regards to what we gave up and got in return. Draft picks we will have to wait and see.

Sadly, I don't think we had much choice. Does anyone honestly believe he wasn't out of here at the first "sign" of a good contract. (Gene, eat your heart out)

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#29 D
February 28 2011, 01:12PM
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This is what is being said from the Kings' side (from a fan site called rinkroyalty.com:)

The Kings only had to give up Colten Teubert, a 1st and a conditional pick for Penner, so it’s a reasonable trade from the Kings perspective. Teubert is probably the farthest from making a real impact on the NHL level, and the Kings defensive pipeline is still very strong with Hickey, Voynov, Forbert and Deslauriers, not to mention youngsters Martinez, Doughty and Johnson on the NHL team.

The 1st round pick is a bummer, but you have to give to get, and the upcoming draft is already projected to be relatively weak in the depth perspective, so a mid/late 1st round pick won’t likely net a true gamebreaker. It’s not clear yet what the conditional pick is, but it’s unlikely to be a real huge deal either way.

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#30 Chris.
February 28 2011, 01:16PM
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D wrote:

This is what is being said from the Kings' side (from a fan site called rinkroyalty.com:)

The Kings only had to give up Colten Teubert, a 1st and a conditional pick for Penner, so it’s a reasonable trade from the Kings perspective. Teubert is probably the farthest from making a real impact on the NHL level, and the Kings defensive pipeline is still very strong with Hickey, Voynov, Forbert and Deslauriers, not to mention youngsters Martinez, Doughty and Johnson on the NHL team.

The 1st round pick is a bummer, but you have to give to get, and the upcoming draft is already projected to be relatively weak in the depth perspective, so a mid/late 1st round pick won’t likely net a true gamebreaker. It’s not clear yet what the conditional pick is, but it’s unlikely to be a real huge deal either way.

So much for driving a hard bargain. Once again,Edmonton fans watch as talent leaves the organization for a mixed bag of lesser assets.

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#31 John Chambers
February 28 2011, 01:17PM
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This is a classic Oilers-style trade. Uncreative in its composition - we give up someone of note for the big box with colourful question marks all over it.

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#32 Horcsky
February 28 2011, 01:19PM
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@Wanye

Hard to say who sucks worse, especially when we throw our #1 MVP goaler into the conversation.

Before Penner was traded, I would've said the D were worse. However, I was at the Boston game last night. The similarity between the game last night, and the other ones I've been to this year is that the forwards can't get anything going in the offensive zone. It's a big reason for our low shot totals, I can't blame the D for the whole team not getting shots (shots against on the other hand). Without Penner, we'll be able to do even less in the O-zone.

On the other hand, after HOPE develops for another year, perhaps the forwards are better than the D.

Bottom line: Compromise. The D corps and the forwards suck equally bad.

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#33 superkk
February 28 2011, 01:23PM
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What a terrible deal!!! Huge joke, Penner for a prospect and a couple of picks!

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#34 MrCondor
February 28 2011, 01:25PM
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Look at the return for Fisher and Versteeg. We got an extra 1st rounder for Penner. Not shabby.

Maybe we ship our new ~20th overall pick plus an asset for a top 10 pick.

I don't understand why is everyone upset we just got a 6-4, gritty,stay at home d man? Work in progress obviously, but let him progress.

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#35 John Chambers
February 28 2011, 01:30PM
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@MrCondor

The problem is that the Kings have a number of more talented D-men in their system like Voynov and Forbort ... while Tom Hickey might also be better than Teubert.

I think a lot of people would be more at ease with this trade if we acquired one of these guys instead of Teubert.

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#36 Quicksilver ballet
February 28 2011, 01:33PM
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Is he good enough to come to Edmonton or did we just trade a top 6 forward for help on the farm?

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#38 OF17
February 28 2011, 01:41PM
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If the Oilers had gotten Forbort, Voynov, or Hickey this would have been a good deal. This one looks way, way too much like the Ryan Smyth trade to get my stamp of approval. To use LT language, trading a face card for a bunch of potential 6s and 7s is f***n' stupid.

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#39 Horcsky
February 28 2011, 01:41PM
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In other news: Arnott for Steckel! Now that's a hockey trade. 1 roster player for another of that magnitude is pretty crazy.

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#41 Truth
February 28 2011, 01:49PM
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I think this is a pretty decent trade. Yes, the Oilers do lose a one time 30 goal scorer and size. But Teubert is big and plays big, historically defencemen take a while to develop as well. The knock on Teubert is that he is too aggressive, the exact opposite of Penner. Plus he is a D, which the Oil desperately need.

Maybe Stu is extremely high on Landeskog?

Maybe Tambellini is eyeing up using this pick and 31st pick to move up a bunch of spots?

The Oilers got a little bit smaller, but this guy plays way bigger than Penner.

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#42 Archaeologuy
February 28 2011, 01:52PM
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@Wanye

It's ok. Teubert's 20 and is a plus player in the AHL during his rookie year. And being a plus player was his trademark in Regina. This guy isnt bad, he just isnt the "best" prospect available.

Lots of positives here. They just have to be looked at in the right light.

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#43 pelhem grenville
February 28 2011, 02:09PM
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...can Oilers finish worse than 30th?

is there some way we can get the NewJersey forfeited / wasted 1st round pick?

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#44 Chris.
February 28 2011, 02:11PM
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People are talking like Tambellini had to trade Penner: well he didn't... and now the last place team in the NHL two years running just got even worse.

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#45 NastyNate
February 28 2011, 02:14PM
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Oilers fans will never be happy, this was the best offer available (although the montreal rumor would have been better) Penner's trade value was at its peak, he was never going to resign here, trading him at the draft would have gave us less in return. Waiting for next years deadline, even less. I don't know what people were expecting to get in return.

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#46 DoubleJ
February 28 2011, 02:18PM
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I don't like that we didn't get one of their better d-man prospect, but other wise the trade is ok.

What I don't get is did Tambi completely Sh*t the bed on moving other players. This guy can only do one thing at a time obviously.

How the hell is Vandermeer still an Oiler? Are we in a rebuild? Whats the point of keeping Vandermeer? No one wanted him? I doubt that.

Let's keep evaluating Smid for a few more years.

Caps win the deadline deals.

I would have loved to get Steckel or Upshall, both were moved.

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#47 Chris.
February 28 2011, 02:23PM
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@Truth

Are you saying the team is better today? Will be better thanks to 20th something pick after the draft? Seriously?

Edit: I spent hours arguing with people back in 07 who were convinced that the Oilers would be better off without Ryan Smyth and that the assortment of middling crap that came back from the Island was a fair return for an actual tough minute NHL player.

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#49 bretzky
February 28 2011, 02:25PM
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Commonly defenceman take longer to develop. We won't know who the winners or losers of this trade will be for probably 5 years. We have to be patient Oilers fans

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#50 NastyNate
February 28 2011, 02:27PM
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I don't know if you have listened to what the oilers have been preaching since last year, but we're in a rebuild. With Penner on the roster we've been dead last the last two seasons, this move allows our young players (remember rebuild!) to develop further and i would be willing to bet we will NOT be last place next year (Therefore we would be better). I imagine the oilers have talked to Hemsky about resigning and with that verbal commitment Penner became expendable. I've yet to hear any experts say the Oilers have been shafted in this deal, that list includes: Formers Oilers Coach, Ray Ferraro and every other Panel i've heard talk today. All the arm chair GM's on here must be right!!

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