Oiler Prospects Still Rolling

Lowetide
February 07 2011 05:09PM

This is Anton Lander. After returning to Sweden following the World Junior championships, Lander has stepped up his offense and might be the club's most complete prospect outside the NHL. How are the organization's top prospects doing so far in 2011? 

The Oilers have a plethora of prospects playing well this season. Many of them enjoyed a strong start, but it's a long season and prospects often flag in the second half. Here's a look at some of the team's top prospects and their progress since January 1st, 2011.

  • Anton Lander first half: 30gp, 7-7-14 (.467)
  • Anton Lander since: 11gp, 1-7-8 (.727)

Lander has improved his level of play (including faceoff percentage) and could be a strong candidate for the big team in the fall of 2011.

  • Martin Marincin first half: 33gp, 10-25-35 (1.06)
  • Martin Marincin since: 14gp, 3-8-11 (.786)

Marincin has trailed off since the new year (he's -6 in that time, even overall). He's one of the few with a down arrow offensively in the second half, but his complete game remains. An exceptional prospect.

  • Curtis Hamilton first half: 31gp, 15-27-42 (1.35)
  • Curtis Hamilton since: 12gp, 2-13-15 (1.25)

Hamilton is having a glorious season, including an impressive showing in the WJ's. He was +27 before the break and is +11 since. Crazy stuff, he's eligible to turn pro this coming fall and there doesn't seem to be a good reason to stay in the dub.

  • Tyler Pitlick first half: 33gp, 15-21-36 (1.09)
  • Tyler Pitlick since:14gp, 7-10-17 (1.21)

Pitlick has battled some injuries this season and started slowly. However, his offense has improved and he's slightly ahead of his first half split since January 1st.

  • Ryan Martindale first half: 34gp, 20-29-49 (1.44)
  • Ryan Martindale since: 13gp, 10-9-19 (1.46)

Martindale continues a terrific pace offensively for the Ottawa 67's. The downside comes in knowing he's the number 3 offensive weapon on his line (Prince, Toffoli).

  • Brandon Davidson first half: 37gp, 5-24-29 (.783)
  • Brandon Davidson since: 16gp, 2-8-10 (.625)

Slight falloff since January 1 (two points) isn't anything to worry over, the young offensive defenseman is having a fine season on a poor team. How he's a plus player on this year's Pats is a mystery.

  • Jeremie Blain first half: 10gp, 1-8-9 (.900)
  • Jeremie Blain since: 15gp, 1-14-15 (1.000)

These are very impressive numbers and one of the things we're going to have to do over the last portion of the season is figure out how complete a game Blain plays. Is he one dimensional ala MA Bergeron? His scouting report suggests he plays a more complete game, has size and plays with an edge. We may be talking about a real gem.

Marincin, Davidson and Hamilton (all WHL kids) are off a little but they were blazing early so a little falloff shouldn't raise alarm bells. Lander--the guy playing pro--has really stepped up his game in the SEL since the World Juniors. At this point, with so many elite players graduating to the NHL this season, you can make an argument for Lander as the top prospect in the organization. My vote would go to Marincin, with Hamilton, Pitlick and Lander in the conversation.

Everything of course will change come draft day. Next: the OKC splits.

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#51 Archaeologuy
February 08 2011, 08:36PM
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Exactly. In Boston PP time is a privelege for Seguin. Something he wont get without results. Not the same here.

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#52 Chris.
February 08 2011, 08:43PM
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Have I been in a coma... or are we still arguing Taylor vs Tyler eight months later?

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#53 TigerUnderGlass
February 08 2011, 08:49PM
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Chris. wrote:

Have I been in a coma... or are we still arguing Taylor vs Tyler eight months later?

No, I just get irritated with the way that people need to constantly qualify the good play of the rookies.

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#54 TigerUnderGlass
February 08 2011, 08:50PM
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Exactly. In Boston PP time is a privelege for Seguin. Something he wont get without results. Not the same here.

So what happened to all that freely available PP time for MPS?

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#55 Archaeologuy
February 08 2011, 09:03PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

So what happened to all that freely available PP time for MPS?

Eaten by Eberle and Hall. You are ignoring the opportunities afforded to 2 of the 3 to focus on the other.

And to your, "I just get irritated with the way that people need to constantly qualify the good play of the rookies", I never did anything of the sort with our rookies.

You've made this into a much bigger thing than it ever needed to be. You tried to twist everything I've said and all the basic facts to try and disprove some very evident truths.

1)There is a "process" going on here in Edmonton that has afforded some very talented young players to play big minutes and get plenty of looks, success or not.

2)The exact same process is not occuring in Boston with their talented young player.

This was not Taylor vs Tyler or a statement about our rookies. At least not until you made it that way.

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#56 Chris.
February 08 2011, 09:13PM
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It's funny: for years we've been hearing that Hemsky has been held back offensively due to a lack of quality surrounding him... But now: Seguin is being held back due to an abundance of quality surrounding him. Or how about this take: Cogliano's development has been hampered through a lack of opportunity. Gagner's development, on the other hand, has been hampered because he was given too much responsibility at too young an age...

I have been guilty in the past of indulging this crap in the spirit of being a contrarian... From now on, I'm gonna just sit back and remember that great players simply force coaches to give them more ice time, can be effective playing with anyone, and generally make those around them better. The cream will rise.

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#57 Clyde Frog
February 08 2011, 09:58PM
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Chris. wrote:

It's funny: for years we've been hearing that Hemsky has been held back offensively due to a lack of quality surrounding him... But now: Seguin is being held back due to an abundance of quality surrounding him. Or how about this take: Cogliano's development has been hampered through a lack of opportunity. Gagner's development, on the other hand, has been hampered because he was given too much responsibility at too young an age...

I have been guilty in the past of indulging this crap in the spirit of being a contrarian... From now on, I'm gonna just sit back and remember that great players simply force coaches to give them more ice time, can be effective playing with anyone, and generally make those around them better. The cream will rise.

Quoted for the truth, if you deserve more ice time the coach will give you it.

If anyone on an NHL team suffers the most from lack of team success it would be the coach through and through. Given that I can only imagine there is an actual reason why they do the things they do.

Eg. Last season Gagner starts on the 4th line and scores his way off it.

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#58 Beer + Wings
February 08 2011, 10:58PM
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Hey LT, was at the Oil Kings game tonight, I was trying to keep an eye on Marincin, and I saw some good things, smooth skater, lots of poise with the puck, but I did notice he's a bit of a risk taker with the puck and saw him get caught flatfooted in his end end a couple times. A couple times he took a real long time to get his shot off and the shooting lne had evaporated and resulted in a blocked shot. I'm curious to see how he'll adjust to the pro game; no doubt he'll further improve his skating but his riverboat gambler style could be something to watch for him to have to change in the next couple of years.

Just wondering if you had any thoughts on the matter.

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#59 TigerUnderGlass
February 09 2011, 12:28AM
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Eaten by Eberle and Hall. You are ignoring the opportunities afforded to 2 of the 3 to focus on the other.

And to your, "I just get irritated with the way that people need to constantly qualify the good play of the rookies", I never did anything of the sort with our rookies.

You've made this into a much bigger thing than it ever needed to be. You tried to twist everything I've said and all the basic facts to try and disprove some very evident truths.

1)There is a "process" going on here in Edmonton that has afforded some very talented young players to play big minutes and get plenty of looks, success or not.

2)The exact same process is not occuring in Boston with their talented young player.

This was not Taylor vs Tyler or a statement about our rookies. At least not until you made it that way.

I could also say that you are ignoring the lack of opportunity of MPS to focus on the opportunities of the other two.

You brought it up as a defense of Seguin's lesser numbers, so it wasn't just about the process, it was a defense of Seguin.

If I say Tavares sucks and you respond that it's because the Islanders are a bad team we are still talking about Tavares are we not?. Same goes for our current conversation. Is it relevant, of course it is, but don't pretend it's a different conversation.

You mentioned specific factors as to why he might not be producing like the Oiler rookies.

The evident truth is that his rates are not up to par. He has done less with his minutes than any of them and has been sheltered more than they have.

I point to MPS in particular because even if I accepted every point you make in Seguin's favor they all would apply equally to MPS. He has still also outperformed Seguin and he has been the worst of the three.

I had a sales job once where we had this guy on our staff who thought he was the best salesman in the store. My average month was about 100k in sales and his was 30k. His explanation was that he didn't take as many customers, yet every month when the closing stats came back I closed 65-70% of my deals while he only closed about 45%. My average sales were also much larger than his.

The point, obviously, is that he didn't just lack opportunity, he also wasn't as good.

Seguin's lack of opportunity means nothing until he does more with the minutes he is given.

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#60 Archaeologuy
February 09 2011, 06:59AM
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Yes or No: Seguin and Hall/Eberle have the same opportunities to get big minutes and better line mates.

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#61 David Staples
February 09 2011, 09:49AM
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I like Lander, too, but from what I've seen, he's going to need at least a year in OK City. He's got to learn the North American game, as so much of his game depends on smart play.

He's not particularily fast or skilled, so he's got to get it right with his read of the game and that's going to take time to learn.

I see tough Hartikainen as a much more likely guy for the Oilers next year.

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