Oiler Prospects Still Rolling

Lowetide
February 07 2011 05:09PM

This is Anton Lander. After returning to Sweden following the World Junior championships, Lander has stepped up his offense and might be the club's most complete prospect outside the NHL. How are the organization's top prospects doing so far in 2011? 

The Oilers have a plethora of prospects playing well this season. Many of them enjoyed a strong start, but it's a long season and prospects often flag in the second half. Here's a look at some of the team's top prospects and their progress since January 1st, 2011.

  • Anton Lander first half: 30gp, 7-7-14 (.467)
  • Anton Lander since: 11gp, 1-7-8 (.727)

Lander has improved his level of play (including faceoff percentage) and could be a strong candidate for the big team in the fall of 2011.

  • Martin Marincin first half: 33gp, 10-25-35 (1.06)
  • Martin Marincin since: 14gp, 3-8-11 (.786)

Marincin has trailed off since the new year (he's -6 in that time, even overall). He's one of the few with a down arrow offensively in the second half, but his complete game remains. An exceptional prospect.

  • Curtis Hamilton first half: 31gp, 15-27-42 (1.35)
  • Curtis Hamilton since: 12gp, 2-13-15 (1.25)

Hamilton is having a glorious season, including an impressive showing in the WJ's. He was +27 before the break and is +11 since. Crazy stuff, he's eligible to turn pro this coming fall and there doesn't seem to be a good reason to stay in the dub.

  • Tyler Pitlick first half: 33gp, 15-21-36 (1.09)
  • Tyler Pitlick since:14gp, 7-10-17 (1.21)

Pitlick has battled some injuries this season and started slowly. However, his offense has improved and he's slightly ahead of his first half split since January 1st.

  • Ryan Martindale first half: 34gp, 20-29-49 (1.44)
  • Ryan Martindale since: 13gp, 10-9-19 (1.46)

Martindale continues a terrific pace offensively for the Ottawa 67's. The downside comes in knowing he's the number 3 offensive weapon on his line (Prince, Toffoli).

  • Brandon Davidson first half: 37gp, 5-24-29 (.783)
  • Brandon Davidson since: 16gp, 2-8-10 (.625)

Slight falloff since January 1 (two points) isn't anything to worry over, the young offensive defenseman is having a fine season on a poor team. How he's a plus player on this year's Pats is a mystery.

  • Jeremie Blain first half: 10gp, 1-8-9 (.900)
  • Jeremie Blain since: 15gp, 1-14-15 (1.000)

These are very impressive numbers and one of the things we're going to have to do over the last portion of the season is figure out how complete a game Blain plays. Is he one dimensional ala MA Bergeron? His scouting report suggests he plays a more complete game, has size and plays with an edge. We may be talking about a real gem.

Marincin, Davidson and Hamilton (all WHL kids) are off a little but they were blazing early so a little falloff shouldn't raise alarm bells. Lander--the guy playing pro--has really stepped up his game in the SEL since the World Juniors. At this point, with so many elite players graduating to the NHL this season, you can make an argument for Lander as the top prospect in the organization. My vote would go to Marincin, with Hamilton, Pitlick and Lander in the conversation.

Everything of course will change come draft day. Next: the OKC splits.

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#1 Jimbones
February 07 2011, 05:13PM
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Can't wait to see Anton in some exhibition games next year.

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#2 michael
February 07 2011, 05:45PM
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Anton Lander along with Landeskog. Team Oiler will become Team Sweden and that might not be a bad thing. I could see the Oilers drafting Landeskog number 1. They have some centers coming up and Landeskog may fit nicely alongside Omark and MP. I think the key will be what the Oilers do in the next 5 months. Will the Oilers trade Penner or Hemsky? Could they get another top 10 draft back? Would the Islanders be willing to trade thier pick? Or Columbus? Will they be able to trade Souray in the off season? Who will the Oilers keep? Do you trade Jones for a 2cd rounder? Does somebody pick up Vandermeer at the deadline?Do the Oilers trade Gilbert? The emersion of Peckham and Petry have given the Oilers plenty of options. The list of prospects will grow this year and I for one think that the Oilers are a team that will dominate in the next decade.

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#3 DBO
February 08 2011, 10:49AM
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All this talk on other sites about a Bogosian and the Thrashers possible trade, maybe for a Hemsky makes me wonder if that would be enough for Hemsky. Makes sense from a need standpoint, and allows us to focus our next pick on Couturier.

And i'd love to See Thoreson back here (Willis had a good post on this). Put him with reddox and jones and you have a solid 4th line energy line that can outscore other 4th lines and play in their own zone against anyone. 4 solid lines beats 3 every time.

Hal-Horcoff-Eberle

Penner-Gagner-Hartikanen

MPS-Lander-Omark

Reddox-Thoreson-Jones

Whitney-Bogosian

Gilbert-Peckham

Smid-Petry

Dubnyk

That is a more balanced lineup to this year, still has youth but a few "older" rookies in Lander and Hartikanen along with the veteran Thoreson (who is leading the KHL in scoring and is solid on the faceoff dot). Thoreson and Lander kill penalties and are good in their own zone (which we currently lack in our bottom two centres). Run that lineup next year, then you can take your time with Couturier and bring him up after another year of seasoning, and also let you make a decision on Gagner or you replace him with Pitlik, Couturier or another prospect.

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#4 The Hall Way
February 07 2011, 05:10PM
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Nice to see our boys are tearing it up in the Fist Half. Hopefully they can keep it up. The future is looking more and more bright all the time. Thank you SMBM!

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#5 Matt Henderson
February 07 2011, 05:36PM
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How much hockey is Marincin playing right now (minutes per game), and how many games per season is used to playing? These things might be factoring into his slight drop off, but I'm just guessing.

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#6 oilbaron
February 07 2011, 05:41PM
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With all our young depth coming on in the next couple of years makes me wish everyone would just give it a rest with all this trade talk regarding a centerman. Let the kids develop and we'll see where we are next year.

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#7 E-town Rebel
February 07 2011, 05:46PM
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Good read, LT. I'm always curious to hear how the prospects are developing. But what about the goalies? How has Olivier Roy bounced back after getting the hook at WJ?

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#8 Brew46
February 07 2011, 05:48PM
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goalie depth isnt looking all that great seeing as how olivier roy is the next one down the pipe and after the wj's pretty shakey

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#9 Chris.
February 07 2011, 05:53PM
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I'd like to see Lander take Colin Fraser's job next season.

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#11 Golden Seals
February 07 2011, 06:18PM
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Little off topic, but the ATDHE website that streams live sports has been seized by Homeland Security in the US. So much for watching the Oilers game tonight

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#13 Steve Smith
February 07 2011, 06:39PM
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WHAT ABOUT ABNEY??

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#14 Winnie Cooper
February 07 2011, 06:39PM
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try this link:

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/51975-NHL-Today!-February-7th-2011

Not exactly HD but good 'nuff.

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#15 MDF
February 07 2011, 06:47PM
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@ Golden Seals. ATDHE is still around I think it is .de now rather than. Com but not 100% sure. The guys over at Lowetide should be able to help you as I know it was brought up awhile ago

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#16 dawgtoy
February 07 2011, 07:40PM
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Golden Seals wrote:

Little off topic, but the ATDHE website that streams live sports has been seized by Homeland Security in the US. So much for watching the Oilers game tonight

atdhe.me

LT, great read by the way, thanks for keeping me up to date. This draft scares me, so it's good to see that we're in good hands with the magnificent bastard.

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#17 Hungry Hippo
February 07 2011, 07:44PM
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Just keep the D-men away from Gilbert. He might influence their development to the benefit of opponents!

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#18 edmontoncritic - BRoadwAY
February 07 2011, 09:53PM
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michael wrote:

Anton Lander along with Landeskog. Team Oiler will become Team Sweden and that might not be a bad thing. I could see the Oilers drafting Landeskog number 1. They have some centers coming up and Landeskog may fit nicely alongside Omark and MP. I think the key will be what the Oilers do in the next 5 months. Will the Oilers trade Penner or Hemsky? Could they get another top 10 draft back? Would the Islanders be willing to trade thier pick? Or Columbus? Will they be able to trade Souray in the off season? Who will the Oilers keep? Do you trade Jones for a 2cd rounder? Does somebody pick up Vandermeer at the deadline?Do the Oilers trade Gilbert? The emersion of Peckham and Petry have given the Oilers plenty of options. The list of prospects will grow this year and I for one think that the Oilers are a team that will dominate in the next decade.

Love Landeskog but I think the only way it happens is if the oil can trade for a #1 center potential. I think it's possible to get Schenn but the oil will have to pay dearly or just hope that Lombardi feels the pressure and HAS got to make a deal to even make the playoffs. The nice thing is that we have depth at the "not awesome but good nhl'r position" + Hemmer/Penner

Jones is suuuuuch a beauty but I think you've gotta trade him for a 2nd rounder

#2 gone for sure

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#19 Harlie
February 07 2011, 10:33PM
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and how about it that Hall (.68) Eberle (.68) Paajarvi (.43) Omark (.54) all have a better P/G percentage than Seguin (.33)

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#20 Matt Henderson
February 07 2011, 10:44PM
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@Harlie

Seguin is getting almost no playing time in Boston. They are going with the slow and steady approach to giving him NHL experience. The Oil are doing the exact opposite.

Make it whatever you will, but the two teams could not be treating their rookies any more differently.

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#21 OILERSORDEATH
February 07 2011, 10:54PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Seguin is getting almost no playing time in Boston. They are going with the slow and steady approach to giving him NHL experience. The Oil are doing the exact opposite.

Make it whatever you will, but the two teams could not be treating their rookies any more differently.

Seguin is getting around 9 mins a game, Still glad as hell we got Hall. He was flying today, made some good plays. Good to have Ebs back as well what vision he has.

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#22 Matt Henderson
February 07 2011, 11:03PM
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@OILERSORDEATH

Exactly, consistently the bottom 3 almost every game in playing time and doing it with weak teammates.

Hall is definitely an impressive player, and so is Eberle. I love watching those two play right now.

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#23 Digger
February 07 2011, 11:17PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Seguin is getting almost no playing time in Boston. They are going with the slow and steady approach to giving him NHL experience. The Oil are doing the exact opposite.

Make it whatever you will, but the two teams could not be treating their rookies any more differently.

He's been getting a slow but steady 12-13 minutes per game since the beginning of the year, his 10 game splits are actually very consistent:

1-10: 13:29/game 10-20: 12:08/game 11-30: 12:06/game 31-40: 12:22/game 41-50: 12:35/game

IMO Boston is giving him as much playing time as they feel he's ready for. It's only been his last 4 games where he's been consistently getting

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#24 esa tikkanen
February 07 2011, 11:18PM
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Regarding splits.

Can anyone tell me how many points Cogliano got in the first 27 games and how many he has in the last 26? Seems to me he had almost none and now is getting close to a point per game in the second half of the season.

The oilers have three lines working. if only the fourth line had two excellent penalty killers on it...

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#25 Digger
February 07 2011, 11:19PM
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(apologies for the double post, but for some reason my original post got truncated, so I had to append this one to finish it off)

...less than 10 minutes/game.

I'll be curious to see where his icetime goes now that Savard's done for the year.

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#26 pelhem grenville
February 08 2011, 05:02AM
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...couldn't watch the game...

oilers win! oilers win! oilers win!

four zip?

Hall plays just over a dozen minutes?

is he in the dog house?

did we trade him mid game?

is he hurt?

W T F ?

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#27 pelhem grenville
February 08 2011, 05:31AM
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@RobinBrownlee

a morning doesn't go by without my waking and thinking of questions to ask you on here ... my whole life now revolves around this site and the few precious minutes i have before i toddle off to work...i certainly am blessed to be able to just ask anything at all when i know you'll be up and at'em ready to answer all my inane queries...NOT! but thanks for your rendition of caring at 7:30 a.m. even IF you won't go that extra mile so i can have an easier time with my addled mind...with that & according to Hoyle, there's five more above about the Hall boy... just wonderin' ...i have oilcruzer to thank for the answer to my 'can you trade an injured player' question...

Kessel to Burkies bunch duh thx oc

have a great day all

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#29 DBO
February 08 2011, 07:38AM
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With all the talk of how MPS' game has turned around since being put on a line with Omark, and how MPS credits Omark for making him better since they play the same style of game since they come from the same system as kids. Makes sense that you put, or at least try, Lander between them next year. I like the idea of a smart two way centre between MPS and Omark (like Horcoff was between Eberle and Hall to start this year).

So it means we have a decision to make on Cogs or Gagner next year. Unless you plan on using one as a 4th line centre or you keep Fraser. (Good article in Journal in Cult of hockey on Fraser not being as bad as we all think).

And lastly, funny how we never lost the lead in the 3rd when we actually didn't ride only 3 lines. 4th line gets 10 minutes (lots of PK) and the rest of the forwards are rested and look more energetic and we come away with a win. Play real players on the 4th line and everyone has more energy and plays better. Shocker.

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#30 ken
February 08 2011, 08:15AM
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Martindale also kills penalties for 67s Its nice to see the coach has a lot of trust in him vs some scouts opinions that he did not always bring his game.Mind you thats what the hot shot experts said about Getzlaf

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#31 Elaine
February 08 2011, 09:00AM
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I think it's important to have a decent 4th line which you can put out at least around 10 min. of playing time. There may be some games that dictate differently but 2-5 minutes just isn't enough. Steve Mac. just isn't a good enough player ao get rid of him. He takes up an important spot of the roster. Same goes for Jaccques. Game vs Nashville 4th line performed well and was very useful. Future looks bright. Defence needs help ass does penalty killing and faceoffs. Cogs is improving and is as consistent there as Gags.

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#32 Harlie
February 08 2011, 09:53AM
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@Matt Henderson

still, can you imagine the uproar if Seguin's numbers were better than all of our guys including Hall? Maybe the TOI part is missing and misleads a bit but anyone who goes here to check sees the numbers tilted in our favor and that's good enough for me.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/rookies.htm

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#33 Dman09
February 08 2011, 10:09AM
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With all the young prospects developing and coming up it would not be surprising to see hemsky, horcoff,penner, cogs, brule, JFJ,Fraser all get let go or traded. I think if Jones keeps playing the way he has they team wont want to let go of him. He has the ability to fill in on any line and in all situations. Not saying he is the greatest at them but its always good to have that kind of a player.

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#34 Quicksilver ballet
February 08 2011, 10:24AM
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Scouting Idol, sponsored by Oilersnation.com

All of us know it alls should show up at a Kings game and reveal what we do/don't know about up and coming talent. Interested parties could file an assessment on say 4 or 6 different players on the ice that evening. Winner gets to recharge the batteries on MacGregors laptop.

Any takers?

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#35 TDSM31
February 08 2011, 10:27AM
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MDF wrote:

@ Golden Seals. ATDHE is still around I think it is .de now rather than. Com but not 100% sure. The guys over at Lowetide should be able to help you as I know it was brought up awhile ago

www.atdhenet.tv

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#36 The Beaker
February 08 2011, 10:32AM
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@Dman09

really? the kids are coming up so lets get rid of the rest of the team?

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#37 Ducey
February 08 2011, 10:46AM
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Drew Czerwonka

10-14-24 +6 (.686) 39 PIM in 35G

2-9-11 +4 (.733) 24 PIM in 15G since Jan 1

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#38 Dan the Man
February 08 2011, 10:51AM
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Principe tweeted about Bogosian saying that 2 Atlanta scouts were at the Oilers - Nashville game last night.

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#39 Dan the Man
February 08 2011, 10:55AM
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The Ducks have placed Aaron Voros on waivers, should the Oilers waive either Jacques or MacIntyre and pick up Voros?

I haven't seen him play too much, would he be an uprgrade? From what I know he likes to stir things up a bit and fights pretty regularly.

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#40 Dan the Man
February 08 2011, 11:49AM
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@DBO

Sorry dude, that line up is way to soft for my liking. It's softer than our current line up.

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#41 Ducey
February 08 2011, 12:01PM
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And i'd love to See Thoreson back here (Willis had a good post on this). Put him with reddox and jones and you have a solid 4th line energy line that can outscore other 4th lines and play in their own zone against anyone. 4 solid lines beats 3 every time.

Thoreson might be able to contribute at an NHL level but putting him on the 4th line with Reddox guarantees this team will get pounded everytime. (In fact that lineup of your is just too small)

I don't think Smac is the solution (he could be used between periods in some kind of Gladiators on Ice show but is otherwise useless) but they need to track down some guys who can make life miserable for opposing Dmen on the forecheck, fight, intimidate and turn around a dead game with some big hits, etc.

Thoreson ain't that guy. In fact, I don't think with proper roster construction that Thorsen and Reddox can be on the same team's bottom 6.

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#42 spOILer
February 08 2011, 12:18PM
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Marincin is having the kind of season Blum had in his 18yo year. Blum had the advantage that he's North American and it was his 3rd WHL season. Marincin has more size. Blum was taken 23rd overall, Marincin 46th...

I'd say Marincin is covering his draft spot and then some.

LT, what are the present NHLEs for Lander and Pitlick? Do you have that easily updated/handy on a spreadsheet?

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#43 Willyfisterbotom
February 08 2011, 01:31PM
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Hey LT, When does the SEL end and can lander be assigned To okc when it's over??

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#44 TigerUnderGlass
February 08 2011, 02:12PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Seguin is getting around 9 mins a game, Still glad as hell we got Hall. He was flying today, made some good plays. Good to have Ebs back as well what vision he has.

Where did you get 9 minutes? As far as I can tell he is playing over 12.

@Arch

Since playing time is such a big issue why don't we look at points/60.

Hall - 2.03 Eberle - 2.25 MPS - 1.75 Omark - 2.16

Seguin - 1.62

I don't think minutes covers it.

What about linemates?

So far this season his linemate breakdown looks like this:

24% BERGERON,P - RECCHI,M - SEGUIN,T 20.6% RYDER,M - SAVARD,M - SEGUIN,T 20.4% RYDER,M - SEGUIN,T - WHEELER,B 17.6% KREJCI,D - SEGUIN,T - WHEELER,B 17.4% RECCHI,M - RYDER,M - SEGUIN,T

In other words his most common linemates so far this season have been Recchi and Bergeron. Tough.

I wonder if he is getting less shelter?

Seguin has seen the second easiest quality of competition of anybody on the Bruins this season.

How do the Oiler rookies rank by this metric amongst Oiler forwards?

Eberle - 1 Hall - 2 MPS - 5 Omark - 8

I like Seguin and I think he will become a very good player, possibly even a great one. However, it is very frustrating to me when people claim he isn't producing like the Oiler rookies because of playing time and bad linemates when this is demonstrably untrue.

Now I assume Chambers will come to tell me I'm a terrible person for stating my opinion as fact.

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#45 Matt Henderson
February 08 2011, 05:26PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

And looking at the qualteam from behindthenet ranks Seguin as having the 4th Lowest quality of teammates on the entire club.

So you spin it by saying that his teammates arent that bad because he's spent less than a 5th of his time with Krejci, but the truth is that relative to his own teammates he is near the bottom of the pile in time with the better players on his club.

In average Ice-time he ranks 21st on his own club, and if you disclude Zach Hamil and his single game played then only Dan Paille and Shawn Thornton average less ice time than him of any forward.

In PPTOI, Seguin plays more than a minute less a game than Hall and almost a minute less than Eberle does on the PowerPlay.

Yet despite all that you're willing to tell me that his teammates and icetime arent a factor and that it is demonstrably untrue?

Bullsh*t. I call Bullsh*t.

The guy is playing with low quality teammates, with much less sugar time than the Oiler super rookies, and plays two-thirds the overall ice time of a Hall or Eberle.

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#46 TigerUnderGlass
February 08 2011, 06:59PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

And looking at the qualteam from behindthenet ranks Seguin as having the 4th Lowest quality of teammates on the entire club.

So you spin it by saying that his teammates arent that bad because he's spent less than a 5th of his time with Krejci, but the truth is that relative to his own teammates he is near the bottom of the pile in time with the better players on his club.

In average Ice-time he ranks 21st on his own club, and if you disclude Zach Hamil and his single game played then only Dan Paille and Shawn Thornton average less ice time than him of any forward.

In PPTOI, Seguin plays more than a minute less a game than Hall and almost a minute less than Eberle does on the PowerPlay.

Yet despite all that you're willing to tell me that his teammates and icetime arent a factor and that it is demonstrably untrue?

Bullsh*t. I call Bullsh*t.

The guy is playing with low quality teammates, with much less sugar time than the Oiler super rookies, and plays two-thirds the overall ice time of a Hall or Eberle.

His most common linemates this year have been Bergeron and Recchi. That is a fact. I think that is generally considered better than Horcoff and a rookie. It is certainly better than Gagner and a rookie.

They have repeatedly given him shots at a second line spot and he has failed to produce. He has in fact spent more time on the second line than the 3rd and fourth lines.

Seguin is also producing at a lower rate than Omark and MPS. Explain.

Hall and Eberle have been playing together. Their own production is the only reason their Qualteam is higher.

You never mentioned PP time before, but lets look at what they have done in their time on the PP.

Seguin has played 78:35 on the PP. He has 3 points for a ppp/60 of 2.29.

PPP/60 for the Oiler rookies: Hall: 2.98 Eberle: 3.19 Omark: 1.90 MPS: 3.42

He is still under-performing all of them but Omark.

I don't understand why you need to justify his lower production. He hasn't played as well. I don't think anyone anywhere besides Oiler fans who wanted to draft Seguin would claim otherwise.

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#47 Matt Henderson
February 08 2011, 07:13PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

You say that his most common teammates have been Bergeron and Recchi as if you didnt realize that more than 75% of the time he isnt playing with those guys. Seriously.

You cant honestly look at how the players are being used in both situations and call them the same. And yet, here you are.

My original point was not Seguin is better than Hall, or anything like that.

#19

"Make it whatever you will, but the two teams could not be treating their rookies any more differently."

Are you denying this?

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#48 TigerUnderGlass
February 08 2011, 07:40PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

You say that his most common teammates have been Bergeron and Recchi as if you didnt realize that more than 75% of the time he isnt playing with those guys. Seriously.

You cant honestly look at how the players are being used in both situations and call them the same. And yet, here you are.

My original point was not Seguin is better than Hall, or anything like that.

#19

"Make it whatever you will, but the two teams could not be treating their rookies any more differently."

Are you denying this?

In a sense.

He has also played significant with Savard, Ryder, Wheler, and Krejci. He has been sheltered as much as a player can b sheltered and given linemates to help him learn the game. He has been given a ton of shots at top 6 minutes and has failed to respond.

I'm saying that when given a chance the Oiler rookies have largely responded and been rewarded for it. Seguin has not. This is why when MPS didn't respond early he ended up spending significant time with guys like Brule.

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#49 Matt Henderson
February 08 2011, 07:53PM
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Lets not forget that Hall wasnt lighting the world on fire in his first 10-15 games either. But instead of being relegated to lower lines he was given all the time in the world to work it out. And he DID rise to the occasion.

Seguin is playing on a contending team with real playoff goals. The Bruins dont have the luxury of letting him learn how to handle top flight opponents and ice time and living with the mistakes. His mistakes cost them in the standings. Here it's almost better for the Hall and Eberle to learn at the cost of standings.

The raw data doesnt suggest a TON of opportunities the way the Oiler rooks have a ton of opportunities.

That's the difference I was talking about. If the Oilers were in the Bruins' shoes I doubt they would be passing over proven vets for rookies either.

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#50 TigerUnderGlass
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Lets not forget that Hall wasnt lighting the world on fire in his first 10-15 games either. But instead of being relegated to lower lines he was given all the time in the world to work it out. And he DID rise to the occasion.

Seguin is playing on a contending team with real playoff goals. The Bruins dont have the luxury of letting him learn how to handle top flight opponents and ice time and living with the mistakes. His mistakes cost them in the standings. Here it's almost better for the Hall and Eberle to learn at the cost of standings.

The raw data doesnt suggest a TON of opportunities the way the Oiler rooks have a ton of opportunities.

That's the difference I was talking about. If the Oilers were in the Bruins' shoes I doubt they would be passing over proven vets for rookies either.

Hall was put out there with another rookie and Horcoff to protect them.

You want to say that Seguin has been given nothing to work with, but he has only spent 20% of his time without one of Recchi, Bergeron, Savard, or Krejci. Especially Recchi. That seems like a similar level of protection to me.

Also about 2/3 or his PP time came in the first 1/3 of the season. He failed to produce and lost the privilege.

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