What Would it Look Like?

Lowetide
April 13 2011 07:46AM

At last night's draft lottery (not a great television show but there was suspense--witness Bryan Murray's facial expressions throughout the proceedings) Oilers General Manager was resolute when asked if he wanted to be back on the lottery show next year: "Absolutely not!" he told James Duthie. IF the Oilers are serious about staying away from the dungeon, what would this summer look like? 

Even from this far away I think we can agree on a few things about this summer. If the Oilers want to step into the elevator shaft that means a lottery pick they can spend the summer quietly. Draft another elite prospect, get some diamonds in the later picks and then wait for the entire group of youngsters to develop.

Steve Tambellini can't just say "you know James, we're going to spend the next few seasons getitng really good kids and then dominate for a decade" so we shouldn't put too much weight on ST's words last night. However, if the club is serious about getting better, we'll know about it this summer.

  1. The draft: If the Oilers plan to reach for higher ground in 11-12, the draft will be about the #1 pick and getting quality with the LAK pick and their own selection at #31. Veterans like Hemsky, Gagner and Gilbert won't be in play. The number one pick won't be on the big league roster.
  2. The free agency period will have some nice acquisitions. Along with Ryan Jones, perhaps a Clarke MacArthur or Scottie Upshall will be under the tree. Signing an NHL calibre defensemen (say Denis Grebeshkov) would go a long way to making things right.
  3. Another Martin Gerber type signing--a quality goalie who can play in the NHL and do the job--is vital. The Oilers don't have any AHL depth now with the free agency situation and Khabibulin's fade is likely to continue. NK has a lot of miles on him and can see his 40th birthday on the horizon.
  4. A solid center who can help on the PK and in the faceoff dot. Someone like Boyd Gordon. I know Vande Velde showed well late in the season but this team is so poor when it comes to established veterans that signing Gordon and having him play those vital special teams minutes can go along way to improving the PK.

So, what would that look like? 

  • GOALER: Devan Dubnyk, Nikolai Khabibulin, real strength in the AHL
  • DEFENSE: Whitney-Petry, Peckham-Gilbert, Grebeshkov-Smid and Foster or Chorney
  • CENTER: Horcoff-Gagner-Cogliano-Gordon
  • LEFT WING: Hall-MacArthur-MPS--Hartikainen-Reddox
  • RIGHT WING: Hemsky-Eberle-Jones-Omark-enforcer (not my choice but Renney likes enforcers)

It isn't perfect, but it's better. And there's a chance this team would be able to endure the annual injuries better and finish outside the lottery. We'll know this summer.

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#51 bigrroberto
April 13 2011, 12:09PM
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The Oilers will draft RNH and evaluate him during the rookie camp and pre-season. I think the spot in the starting line up is his to lose if he doesn't show well. At that time it's my belief that he goes back to Red Deer.

But...

I'm an optimist and I think we see him center Hall and Eberle in the first pre-season game and after 60 mins we'll all be planning the cup parade when he lights it up for a goal and 2 assist, all not on the power play. Really.

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#52 Crash
April 13 2011, 12:14PM
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Eric Johnson wrote:

AS PER GENE PRINCIPE ON TWITTER:

@GenePrincipe Multiple sources reporting, including Sportsnet radio, that once playoffs are over that Phx will turn on the 'Jets' and head to Wpg..

YEAH!

I hope they're right...if so, good for Winnipeg...too bad for Eric Belanger though

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#53 John Chambers
April 13 2011, 12:22PM
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@Crash

So Dubnyk is going to play 82 games?

You're mighty optimistic. Why don't you go buy season tickets and then spend next winter ranting on ON about how bad the team is, and how nobody will buy the tickets you've got up for sale on stubhub because you need money to fix your drivetrain?

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#54 Eric Johnson
April 13 2011, 12:30PM
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What about Vernon Fiddler?

Edmonton boy, 30, could be a solid 3C 4C.

He's UFA making 1.1 in Phoenix this season.

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#55 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 12:36PM
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First off Tambi didn't sign Fraser he traded for him. MacArthur is a RFA and signing him to an offer sheet is sheer madness, LT. Our @ssholes are still bleeding after the Penner signing.

Here's a thought: The devils own the #4 pick and need to make the playoffs next year for certain. They have huge cap issues and a RFA that will cost big bucks comming up this summer (Parise). I don't see how they are going to be able to afford a player 3.5 mil range the #4 pick should get maybe they make a deal to trade down with us? I can't see any other non-playoff teams possibly taded away a pick this good.

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#56 Crash
April 13 2011, 12:38PM
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John Chambers wrote:

So Dubnyk is going to play 82 games?

You're mighty optimistic. Why don't you go buy season tickets and then spend next winter ranting on ON about how bad the team is, and how nobody will buy the tickets you've got up for sale on stubhub because you need money to fix your drivetrain?

What does Dubnyk playing 82 games have to do with having playoff calibre goaltending?

You made the bold statement that the Oilers don't have playoff calibre goaltending and I asked you to explain how it is you know this already. Dubnyk looks to me like he could be quite capable.

You sound like a politician, skirting the question.

And just so you know, I do buy season tickets and travel 400km per game to watch them, and I don't rant about how bad the team is. Call me optimistic, I actually consider that a good thing.

I get that you want them to have one more bad season. Just don't be surprised if they don't have as bad a season as you'd like. Health will likely be the main deciding factor.

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#57 DC
April 13 2011, 12:39PM
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Zenon Konopka fills 2 jobs. He can win faceoffs, and is an enforcer. Give me Zenon over Gordon please.

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#58 beezkneez
April 13 2011, 12:53PM
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People seem to forget that patrick kane was only 170 pounds on his draft day. Just goes to show that if your talented enough size isn't the biggest issue in the NHL. Draft RNH.

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#59 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 12:54PM
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@Peterborough

the thing is NJ doesn't need to have this years draft pick play for them next season, if they send them back to the minors or europe they won't suffer the cap hit.

from TSN, tamby said that the 1st overall is fair game for trade. i could possibly see colorado and us swapping picks, our 1st overall + penner pick (+ maybe 2nd/3rd round) for their 2nd overall + 11th overall (STL pick)

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#60 Westcoastoil
April 13 2011, 12:55PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

I don't know about Orr - I'd rather have Zenon or Fiddler (different players i realize), but you are band on with drafting RNH. As discussed last year ad nauseum first line centres RARELY get traded. If you get one it's through the draft. Excellent, quality D can be obtained later in the draft, via trade or FA.

Horc, Hemsky, MPS, Hall, Eberle, RNH Omark, Gagne, Jones Fiddler/Z (veteran C), Hartikainen, Brule Beat cop as the 13th with CVV, Lander, O'Marra, Reddox pushing from below. I'd have no problem replacing Brule off that list

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#61 Oilnutz
April 13 2011, 12:59PM
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DC wrote:

Zenon Konopka fills 2 jobs. He can win faceoffs, and is an enforcer. Give me Zenon over Gordon please.

this is a no brainer and one Tambi should be willing to overpay for a couple years to get. Oh and you forgot to mention leadership when discribing Konopka, although that's easy to do with this team because there has been such a lack of it the past few years.

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#62 Mitch
April 13 2011, 01:03PM
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@Lowetide

Your drafting RNH(which will be the correct choice) and keep Gagner and Cogliano, you might do that for next yr, but does this plan work going ahead further than that? I would have no problem with Vande Velde, Lander, Boyd Gordon as my centre men. Cogliano and Gagner are small, look how the NHL game is played today and how important faceoffs and battles down low are. Lander and Vande Velde can win draws, there not sexy buy any means, don't worrie about the offensive numbers, look at the other aspects of the game where Gagner and Cogs clearly fail. There are other guys that should be counted on offensively to drive this ship. I would use the two mentioned players to acquire dmen. Just watch Montreal get run out of the rink against the Bruins.

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#63 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 01:03PM
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beezkneez wrote:

People seem to forget that patrick kane was only 170 pounds on his draft day. Just goes to show that if your talented enough size isn't the biggest issue in the NHL. Draft RNH.

while i agree, i have said it before and will say it again. I dont think people are concerned with RNH size, i think they are concerned with the oilers lack of. IF Gagner and Eberle were both two inches taller and 15 pounds heavier RNH would be the easy choice. than again maybe our forward depth would be good enough to go for the d.

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#64 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 01:22PM
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Hypothetically anyone like LA's first, edm 2nd, 3rd and cogliano or brule for rolston and NJ first. We clear up much needed cap for them. they restock with early in round draft picks and a usefull bottom six player, and we have a larson couterier, or RHN Hamilton combo. We also get an aging veteran one year left on contract, may or may not help the team.

Lou probably wouldnt do this because apparently he is a crafty GM. But than again he did sign Kovy to one of the worst contracts ever, forfieted a descent draft pick, and hired a player to coach his team that cost them there season and possibly ruined the players legacy with the team.

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#65 Jordan
April 13 2011, 01:26PM
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How many of you actually have seen RNH play and Adam Larsson? You like me rely on the hype. I hope EDM does pick the right player but none of us are scouts, so this is about how well reporters hype the player.

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#66 Ca$h-Money
April 13 2011, 01:42PM
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Roman Hamrlik Ed Jovanovski Bryan Berard Chris Phillips Erik Johnson

These are the dmen drafted first overall in the last 20 years. In the case of Erik Johnson, the teams that drafted after him took:

Jordan Staal, Jonathan Toews, Nick Backstrom, and Phil Kessel.

I believe St. Louis would rather have any of those guys. I believe Larsson will be a quality player, but the fact is a number 1 pick should be used to pick up a forward because it's way more obvious which ones have the skills to make an impact at the NHL level.

Also, I reiterate, we should go hard after Langenbruner in the off season.

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#67 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 01:46PM
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Hall Horcoff Eberle

Glencross RNH Upshall

Paajarvi Couturier Omark

Jones Cogliano Rupp

MacIntyre Brule JF Jacques

Whitney and Bogosian

Souray and Gilbert

Smid and Peckham

Foster

Khabibulin Dubnyk

Missing and presumed traded..... Hemsky,Gagner,Fraser and Petry or Peckham

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#68 Ca$h-Money
April 13 2011, 01:48PM
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Breakerdog wrote:

"and hope to get a guy like dman JAMIESON OLEKSIAK (6'7, 244) with the kings pick."

Yes, because thats what we need. More terrible hockey players whose only skill is being large. JFJ, SMAC, Bigos, Abney.

How do you figure he's a terrible hockey player? He's been shooting up the draft rankings and is projected to go mid to late first round. The kings pick will be 18th overall, so it's a good fit. And if not him, there could be other quality Dmen available with some size, this draft has lots of Dmen and outside of the top few picks guys tend to move around quite a bit. I seem to remember Cam Fowler falling all the way to around 13 after being projected top 5 (top 3) most of the year.

It's exactly the type of move we should make with the kings pick, unless we can move up in the draft (I'm assuming we don't). If not him, who would you think is better AND likely to be available, or do you have no clue who this guy even is?

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#69 Fee Logolin
April 13 2011, 01:54PM
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Eric Johnson wrote:

What about Vernon Fiddler?

Edmonton boy, 30, could be a solid 3C 4C.

He's UFA making 1.1 in Phoenix this season.

I have it on good authority that from the player side at least this is a consideration especially if Winterpeg is in play... if he has to come back to winter he might as well do it at home...

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#70 Lochenzo
April 13 2011, 01:55PM
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I think fans need to be patient. After watching Hall, Eberle and Pajaarvi have good rookie years, the temptation would be to throw the next one into the fire.

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#71 Rogue
April 13 2011, 02:00PM
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My concern with next year is our vetern players up front. Hemsky, Horcoff and Brule are all so injury prone that we have no veterns to lead this club most of the time. We need to address this.

As far as the draft goes, draft centers with the first 2 picks and a dman with the 31st pick. As bad as the D is, I view our centers as being worse.

Goodbye,Fraser, Mac. JFJ is a 14th.man, the same as reddox. Foster is a number 7 dman.

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#72 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 02:01PM
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@They're $hittie

NJ put Rolston on waivers this season, i don't think it'll take much to take him off NJ's hands...

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#73 Tyler
April 13 2011, 02:16PM
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Rolston and 4th for Hemmer and 31 st. Done in a heart beat. I'd even sub in 31 for the 18th if that's what it took.

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#74 Zarf
April 13 2011, 02:19PM
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Jordan wrote:

How many of you actually have seen RNH play and Adam Larsson? You like me rely on the hype. I hope EDM does pick the right player but none of us are scouts, so this is about how well reporters hype the player.

Well said, Jordan. I second that.

And here's the thing: I don't think the Oilers are going to go wrong with picking either guy, not from what I'm hearing. So I'm content to let them make their pick and hear their justification for it.

There are plenty of compelling reasons to pick a Sakic-like centre or a Lidstrom-like d-man.

Truth be told, I'm probably more concerned about what they'll do with LA's pick because if they choose to keep it, it's on that range where you can screw it up. That's the one they'll need to do their homework on.

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#75 oilers1974
April 13 2011, 02:21PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

are you being serious?

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#76 Clay
April 13 2011, 02:24PM
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It's been said before by others, but drafting RNH at #1 would be a mistake. He scores 55.66% of his offence on the PP. The average amongst the CHL forwards in Bob McKenzie's top 60 is 33.32% (and, yes, I worked it out).

For comparison, here are some EV boxcars to ponder:

RNH: 20-27-47 in 69 games (.681 EVPPG) Huberdeau: 27-43-70 in 67 games (1.045 EVPPG) Strome: 22-42-64 in 65 games (.985 EVPPG) Couturier: 23-32-55 in 58 games (.948 EVPPG)

Out of the 27 CHL forwards in McKenzie's top 60, RNH's .681 EVPPG is ranked 15th, Huberdeau 2nd, Strome 3rd, Couterier 5th.

What's worse, is that of RNH's 59 PP points, only 11 are goals.

All he's proven is he can score on the powerplay. He's Rob Schremp v2.0.

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#77 DougWeightProblem
April 13 2011, 02:27PM
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Tyler wrote:

Rolston and 4th for Hemmer and 31 st. Done in a heart beat. I'd even sub in 31 for the 18th if that's what it took.

Massive overpayment. Give your head a shake.

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#78 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 02:37PM
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oilers1974 wrote:

are you being serious?

Is there cap issues there?

Pretty big overhaul i know but it's time to be aggressive make our own luck. Think we could pry Jared Bol out of the Jackets instead of Micheal Rupp?

I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts as to where this scenario or portion thereof falls short.

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#79 DonDon
April 13 2011, 02:38PM
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Quicksilver.

"Souray and Gilbert" on defence? Does Sheldon Souray have a relative playing professional hockey? Surely you do not mean the Souray who is persona non grata in Oilerland and playing far off in Hershey?

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#80 DougWeightProblem
April 13 2011, 02:50PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Is there cap issues there?

Pretty big overhaul i know but it's time to be aggressive make our own luck. Think we could pry Jared Bol out of the Jackets instead of Micheal Rupp?

I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts as to where this scenario or portion thereof falls short.

It is not time to "be aggressive", as it is still very early in the rebuild and we are not even close to contending regularly. Hemsky, Gagner, Petry, and Peckham are all part of the future and will not be traded. Couturier will not be an Oiler, nor will Bogosian. These things I have seen; it has been foretold.

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#81 Archaeologuy
April 13 2011, 02:56PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

So, Horcoff is your 1C and your 2/3C spots are made up of two 18 year old rookies that are likely impossible to be drafted together. You have 24 players for a 23 man roster. Peckham is supposedly traded yet still playing as your 6D. Souray has been welcomed back with open arms, AND you just traded away the team's best offensive Centre, Winger (for now), as well as the best NHL ready defensive prospects...and Fraser.

Well at least Fraser's gone.

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#82 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 03:00PM
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Mantastic wrote:

the thing is NJ doesn't need to have this years draft pick play for them next season, if they send them back to the minors or europe they won't suffer the cap hit.

from TSN, tamby said that the 1st overall is fair game for trade. i could possibly see colorado and us swapping picks, our 1st overall + penner pick (+ maybe 2nd/3rd round) for their 2nd overall + 11th overall (STL pick)

I like that not sure what Colorado is doing or if they give up a 1rst like that. But I like the way you think!

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#83 gord962
April 13 2011, 03:04PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Hall Horcoff Eberle

Glencross RNH Upshall

Paajarvi Couturier Omark

Jones Cogliano Rupp

MacIntyre Brule JF Jacques

Whitney and Bogosian

Souray and Gilbert

Smid and Peckham

Foster

Khabibulin Dubnyk

Missing and presumed traded..... Hemsky,Gagner,Fraser and Petry or Peckham

This may be the funniest thing I have ever read on the interwebs. Thanks for the laugh!

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#84 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 03:06PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Hypothetically anyone like LA's first, edm 2nd, 3rd and cogliano or brule for rolston and NJ first. We clear up much needed cap for them. they restock with early in round draft picks and a usefull bottom six player, and we have a larson couterier, or RHN Hamilton combo. We also get an aging veteran one year left on contract, may or may not help the team.

Lou probably wouldnt do this because apparently he is a crafty GM. But than again he did sign Kovy to one of the worst contracts ever, forfieted a descent draft pick, and hired a player to coach his team that cost them there season and possibly ruined the players legacy with the team.

Two problems:

1 Rolston has NTC and likely will not waive it to finish his career here.

2 Kovy contract is not at a bad deal he is an elite tallent at 6.667 per. Maybe in 5 years it will be a terrible contract but now its a steal.

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#85 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 03:07PM
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@DougWeightProblem

See, now that's where the problem is Doug. You think the same way Steve Tambeliini does.

Steve would get more accomplished with some kind words and a gun than he would with just some kind words. He needs to be more aggressive (be willing to give something to get something)

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#86 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 03:19PM
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RE: Quicksilver's insane rant.

I thought it was serious . . . till I read Souray. He sucked in the AHL.

He is a downgrade over everything we have except maybe Struds.

let alone the fact that he is the cancer man.

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#87 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 03:19PM
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gord962 wrote:

This may be the funniest thing I have ever read on the interwebs. Thanks for the laugh!

Please insert 4 toonies in the slot provided on the lefthand side of your monitor.

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#88 DougWeightProblem
April 13 2011, 03:22PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

See, now that's where the problem is Doug. You think the same way Steve Tambeliini does.

Steve would get more accomplished with some kind words and a gun than he would with just some kind words. He needs to be more aggressive (be willing to give something to get something)

I thought that was the point, seeing as how he has the job and you/I don't.

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#89 hoil
April 13 2011, 03:44PM
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Breakerdog wrote:

If the plan was to compete next year, they would not have traded Penner. Operation Tank Job 2012 is in full effect. Enjoy those season tickets. Nail Yakupov looks good next year!

I was just enjoying the video tribute to his OHL Rookie of the Year award. He obviously loves to score goals and is damn good at it, the kid has some sick hands on him.

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/e45c8b6819dcc2e1918ca6ddd7e6a9af

Next year our diversion from watching the Oilers continued suckage would be another discussion about picking another "little" forward with skill (5.10"-oh noes)or going for one of the great defensemen that are projected near the top 2012 rankings.

Plus he has the great name, Nail. If we could just trade up to get Frk, Gene Principe would be set for a decade. Maybe we should draft a Russian this year just so he has somebody to talk Russian to (hoping Habby is gone by then).

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#90 gcw_rocks
April 13 2011, 03:58PM
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LT: Regarding your point "like Hemsky, Gagner and Gilbert won't be in play". I think that is a false assumption. A more accurate statement would be "Hemsky, Gagner and Gilbert will not be in play for prospects and picks, and will only be traded for real NHL players that fill needs".

My line up:

Hall - Horcoff - Eberle

Paajarvi - FA/Trade - Omark

Hartikainen - FA - FA

Jones - VV - FA

FA targets include Connolly, Belanger, Laich, Clark, Upshall, Gordon, Asham, etc. enticed through over-payments on 2 year deals.

Defence:

Whitney - Trade

Larsson - Petry

Peckham - Smid

Foster/Chorney

Goal: DD, Khabby (because we have to unless we can dump him in the KHL) and a Gerber type.

In play to fill holes: Hemsky, Gagner, Cogliano, Brule, Gilbert.

Not sure what those guys are worth, but I would be happy to do 2 for 1 deals where we ship out two to get one back of real quality and that fills a need. Don't even care if its an over-payment if we get the right guy.

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#91 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 04:01PM
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Mantastic wrote:

NJ put Rolston on waivers this season, i don't think it'll take much to take him off NJ's hands...

Its still money and I dont think he would clear re-entry while on his last year of contract.

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#92 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 04:02PM
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a contract that could possibly tie the teams hands for 20 years is not a steal.

Do a poll on oilers nation whether this is a good or bad contract. I think the votes would be in favour of bad.

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#93 hoil
April 13 2011, 04:03PM
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Clay wrote:

It's been said before by others, but drafting RNH at #1 would be a mistake. He scores 55.66% of his offence on the PP. The average amongst the CHL forwards in Bob McKenzie's top 60 is 33.32% (and, yes, I worked it out).

For comparison, here are some EV boxcars to ponder:

RNH: 20-27-47 in 69 games (.681 EVPPG) Huberdeau: 27-43-70 in 67 games (1.045 EVPPG) Strome: 22-42-64 in 65 games (.985 EVPPG) Couturier: 23-32-55 in 58 games (.948 EVPPG)

Out of the 27 CHL forwards in McKenzie's top 60, RNH's .681 EVPPG is ranked 15th, Huberdeau 2nd, Strome 3rd, Couterier 5th.

What's worse, is that of RNH's 59 PP points, only 11 are goals.

All he's proven is he can score on the powerplay. He's Rob Schremp v2.0.

So picking RNH would be a mistake because he get too many of his points on the PP (yes, it has been said by others), but what's worse, is that gets too few of those points with goals?

If RNH scores a higher percentage of goals to assists at EV, and a higher percentage of assists to goals on the PP, wouldn't that indicate that the PP in Red Deer flows through his hands as he sets up his teammates?

I get the heavy PP points issue that people have with RNH (though I think that it isn't as simple as some of the simpler math suggests), but being a good PP QB isn't a bad thing.

And I will say it again, since repeating things seems to be the style here, RNH is the polar opposite of Schremp. Schremp couldn't carry Nuge's banana hammock.

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#94 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 04:06PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So, Horcoff is your 1C and your 2/3C spots are made up of two 18 year old rookies that are likely impossible to be drafted together. You have 24 players for a 23 man roster. Peckham is supposedly traded yet still playing as your 6D. Souray has been welcomed back with open arms, AND you just traded away the team's best offensive Centre, Winger (for now), as well as the best NHL ready defensive prospects...and Fraser.

Well at least Fraser's gone.

Well, we did have 4 rookies for most of this past year Archie. I anticipate having to move Peckham or Petry in a deal, i could'nt exclude both from the roster. I know it's a sorry situation having Horcoff as the 1st line center here but having only 2 rookies next year in RNH and Couturier is an acceptible level compared to last year isn't it? #10 is gone by the time the 12-13 season rolls around.

Souray, all is lost on this front according to most. The Oilers are paying him anyways why not give him a chance to re-establish himself as an NHL player again? Has Sheldon givin up on an opportunity to play in the NHL again? Have to think a team that finished deadlast two years running would give a project guy like that a shot at redemtion.

Slow day at work Archie, thought i'd stir things up a little. Hope i didn't fall of my pedestal again.

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#95 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 04:09PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Its still money and I dont think he would clear re-entry while on his last year of contract.

what? i was responding to your idea about trading hemsky + penner pick/31st for NJ's 4th pick and rolston. so again, since Rolston was placed on waivers this season, i don't think it would take much to take him off NJ's hands...

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April 13 2011, 04:09PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So, Horcoff is your 1C and your 2/3C spots are made up of two 18 year old rookies that are likely impossible to be drafted together. You have 24 players for a 23 man roster. Peckham is supposedly traded yet still playing as your 6D. Souray has been welcomed back with open arms, AND you just traded away the team's best offensive Centre, Winger (for now), as well as the best NHL ready defensive prospects...and Fraser.

Well at least Fraser's gone.

Makes you want to claw your eyes out, doesn't it.

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April 13 2011, 04:13PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

a contract that could possibly tie the teams hands for 20 years is not a steal.

Do a poll on oilers nation whether this is a good or bad contract. I think the votes would be in favour of bad.

If he can score 80+ points for a good chunk of the next 6-7 years that tha's a heck of a deal.

After that it will really depend on where the cap is.

Anyone that claims flat out that it's a bad deal simply doesn't understand the concept of inflation.

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#98 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 04:14PM
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Well, we did have 4 rookies for most of this past year Archie. I anticipate having to move Peckham or Petry in a deal, i could'nt exclude both from the roster. I know it's a sorry situation having Horcoff as the 1st line center here but having only 2 rookies next year in RNH and Couturier is an acceptible level compared to last year isn't it? #10 is gone by the time the 12-13 season rolls around.

Souray, all is lost on this front according to most. The Oilers are paying him anyways why not give him a chance to re-establish himself as an NHL player again? Has Sheldon givin up on an opportunity to play in the NHL again? Have to think a team that finished deadlast two years running would give a project guy like that a shot at redemtion.

Slow day at work Archie, thought i'd stir things up a little. Hope i didn't fall of my pedestal again.

RNH and Couterier is better than last years centers??? Maybe in the future. Look at Hall and Eberle. Their numbers were close to Gagner, who was still superior to them in 5x5 p/60. This is a 20-21 (eberle) year old and a top elite prospect (hall). Neither Couturier or RNH are at the level of Hall nor as old and developed as Eberle, so why would that be better than a 22 year old next year who is a proven second line center.

Look how the team struggled without horcoff (not a fan) in the line. Gagner was eating hard minutes. There is no way the two would both be productive in the NHL next year on the same team.

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April 13 2011, 04:17PM
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if phoenix and atlanta are still in the league there could be deflation, than what. Kovalchuk is not top 5 in the nhl maybe not top 10, so why should he be paid like he is number 1.

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April 13 2011, 04:18PM
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Why in the blue hell would anybody want garbagekov back....thought the Oilers had a good young puck moving dman in Petry, same style of player but Petry takes the body more and doesnt cough the puck up as much IMO.

Please dont trade Gagner sure he's not a 6'5 moutain of a centerman but he is only 21 give him another yr or 2 geeze ppl

Draft RNH, trade LA pick and Cogs or Brule for a dman already in the NHL (Eager type).

That is all

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