What Would it Look Like?

Lowetide
April 13 2011 07:46AM

At last night's draft lottery (not a great television show but there was suspense--witness Bryan Murray's facial expressions throughout the proceedings) Oilers General Manager was resolute when asked if he wanted to be back on the lottery show next year: "Absolutely not!" he told James Duthie. IF the Oilers are serious about staying away from the dungeon, what would this summer look like? 

Even from this far away I think we can agree on a few things about this summer. If the Oilers want to step into the elevator shaft that means a lottery pick they can spend the summer quietly. Draft another elite prospect, get some diamonds in the later picks and then wait for the entire group of youngsters to develop.

Steve Tambellini can't just say "you know James, we're going to spend the next few seasons getitng really good kids and then dominate for a decade" so we shouldn't put too much weight on ST's words last night. However, if the club is serious about getting better, we'll know about it this summer.

  1. The draft: If the Oilers plan to reach for higher ground in 11-12, the draft will be about the #1 pick and getting quality with the LAK pick and their own selection at #31. Veterans like Hemsky, Gagner and Gilbert won't be in play. The number one pick won't be on the big league roster.
  2. The free agency period will have some nice acquisitions. Along with Ryan Jones, perhaps a Clarke MacArthur or Scottie Upshall will be under the tree. Signing an NHL calibre defensemen (say Denis Grebeshkov) would go a long way to making things right.
  3. Another Martin Gerber type signing--a quality goalie who can play in the NHL and do the job--is vital. The Oilers don't have any AHL depth now with the free agency situation and Khabibulin's fade is likely to continue. NK has a lot of miles on him and can see his 40th birthday on the horizon.
  4. A solid center who can help on the PK and in the faceoff dot. Someone like Boyd Gordon. I know Vande Velde showed well late in the season but this team is so poor when it comes to established veterans that signing Gordon and having him play those vital special teams minutes can go along way to improving the PK.

So, what would that look like? 

  • GOALER: Devan Dubnyk, Nikolai Khabibulin, real strength in the AHL
  • DEFENSE: Whitney-Petry, Peckham-Gilbert, Grebeshkov-Smid and Foster or Chorney
  • CENTER: Horcoff-Gagner-Cogliano-Gordon
  • LEFT WING: Hall-MacArthur-MPS--Hartikainen-Reddox
  • RIGHT WING: Hemsky-Eberle-Jones-Omark-enforcer (not my choice but Renney likes enforcers)

It isn't perfect, but it's better. And there's a chance this team would be able to endure the annual injuries better and finish outside the lottery. We'll know this summer.

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#101 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 04:21PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Why in the blue hell would anybody want garbagekov back....thought the Oilers had a good young puck moving dman in Petry, same style of player but Petry takes the body more and doesnt cough the puck up as much IMO.

Please dont trade Gagner sure he's not a 6'5 moutain of a centerman but he is only 21 give him another yr or 2 geeze ppl

Draft RNH, trade LA pick and Cogs or Brule for a dman already in the NHL (Eager type).

That is all

Eager type? as in Ben Eager the forward?

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#102 oilers1974
April 13 2011, 04:23PM
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Quicksilver: everyone else pretty much covered it. To those who think it's a good idea to throw big money at an RFA, keep this in mind. If they had been successful in securing the services of Thomas Vanek, the draft picks to Buffalo would have been Eberle, Paajarvi and Hall. Keep building the depth chart through the draft to create a pipeline at each position and be patient. Quick fixes will not work long term.

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#103 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 04:25PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

if phoenix and atlanta are still in the league there could be deflation, than what. Kovalchuk is not top 5 in the nhl maybe not top 10, so why should he be paid like he is number 1.

We just went through the worst financial $hit-storm in 80 years and the cap didn't go down.

I've yet to see anything that shows league wide revenue has ever dropped for more then 1-2 years (if that)

I'm confident we'll never see sustained deflation.

Kovalchuk is the 20th highest cap hit forward in the league. He's easily in the top 20 forwards in the league, arguably top 10.

If anything his cap hit is a steal at this point.

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#104 Wäx Män Riley
April 13 2011, 04:31PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

See, now that's where the problem is Doug. You think the same way Steve Tambeliini does.

Steve would get more accomplished with some kind words and a gun than he would with just some kind words. He needs to be more aggressive (be willing to give something to get something)

Lets trade our next 2 first rounders for Kessel. That's being aggressive Brian.

Being aggressive gets you a decent team today, then lets you flounder at 10th place for 4 years, running out your big-time contracts and pushing closer to a rebuild. Look at the Flames and Leafs especially.

To build a winner for the long-term will take that patience.

Also, that roster you put together isn't being aggressive, it is trying for another lottery pick. RNH and Courturier as your 2/3. Those are 2 new rookies in prominent roles. Horcoff is #1?

We just traded our 2 best up and coming defense as well in Petry and Peckham? Gagner and Hemsky.... well... maybe I can see that, especially if you do somehow get Bogo back.

And Souray? Really? Where did he come from?

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#105 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 04:31PM
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oilers1974 wrote:

Quicksilver: everyone else pretty much covered it. To those who think it's a good idea to throw big money at an RFA, keep this in mind. If they had been successful in securing the services of Thomas Vanek, the draft picks to Buffalo would have been Eberle, Paajarvi and Hall. Keep building the depth chart through the draft to create a pipeline at each position and be patient. Quick fixes will not work long term.

wasn't the Eberle pick a trade? the original 2008 pick was given to Anahiem to the ducks for Penner wasn't it?

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#106 hoil
April 13 2011, 04:34PM
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Mantastic wrote:

wasn't the Eberle pick a trade? the original 2008 pick was given to Anahiem to the ducks for Penner wasn't it?

I believe he was the conditional pick from the Duck's Stanley Cup (throw in from Pronger deal).

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#107 oilers1974
April 13 2011, 04:36PM
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@Mantastic

right you are. the oilers pick ended up being tyler myers. my mistake.

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#108 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 04:47PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

If he can score 80+ points for a good chunk of the next 6-7 years that tha's a heck of a deal.

After that it will really depend on where the cap is.

Anyone that claims flat out that it's a bad deal simply doesn't understand the concept of inflation.

Dude thank you: I feel like I've been taking crazy pills. GP:702 G:369 A:333 P:702

Those are crazy good box cars for less than 7 mil. Add to that the crap he has had around him for offence his whole career. I'd kill someone to have a tallent like that at those dollars locked up long term.

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#109 CM
April 13 2011, 04:52PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

See, now that's where the problem is Doug. You think the same way Steve Tambeliini does.

Steve would get more accomplished with some kind words and a gun than he would with just some kind words. He needs to be more aggressive (be willing to give something to get something)

Are you insinuating something along the lines of a suicide note?

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#110 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 04:53PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

if phoenix and atlanta are still in the league there could be deflation, than what. Kovalchuk is not top 5 in the nhl maybe not top 10, so why should he be paid like he is number 1.

Actually he's 25th in av cap hit this year. Maybe you should check facts . . . or just keep looking foolish . . . your choice.

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#111 Westcoastoil
April 13 2011, 05:02PM
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I can't wait to be caught up in playoff fever rather than the merits of hanging on your second round draft pick.

If we have to go through this again next year i might have to start caring about the Raptors...damn that won't help either

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#112 Harlie
April 13 2011, 05:05PM
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nice article LT.

Not to be Mr.Obvious but we full on suck in the Center position. . . . . . And yes, that IS what she said!

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#113 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 05:07PM
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Peterborough wrote:

Actually he's 25th in av cap hit this year. Maybe you should check facts . . . or just keep looking foolish . . . your choice.

the biggest or second biggest deal in hockey history, is that not being paid like number one or number two.

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#114 Harlie
April 13 2011, 05:08PM
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ps. - I think Air Supply should pay Identity Clothing a visit.

That checker shirt is hideous!

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#115 a lg dubl dubl
April 13 2011, 05:12PM
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Mantastic wrote:

Eager type? as in Ben Eager the forward?

whooops lol my bad thought he was a dman

*sheepishly runs and hides*

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#116 a lg dubl dubl
April 13 2011, 05:13PM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

I can't wait to be caught up in playoff fever rather than the merits of hanging on your second round draft pick.

If we have to go through this again next year i might have to start caring about the Raptors...damn that won't help either

Blue Jays maybe lol

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#117 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 05:18PM
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Peterborough wrote:

Dude thank you: I feel like I've been taking crazy pills. GP:702 G:369 A:333 P:702

Those are crazy good box cars for less than 7 mil. Add to that the crap he has had around him for offence his whole career. I'd kill someone to have a tallent like that at those dollars locked up long term.

The funny part is I think most Oiler fans would be pumped to have Hall locked up for 20 years at 6.6 per.

And we'll be lucky if Hall produces like Kovalchuk has.

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#118 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 05:21PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

the biggest or second biggest deal in hockey history, is that not being paid like number one or number two.

No

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#119 pelhem grenville
April 13 2011, 05:22PM
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I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts as to where this scenario or portion thereof falls short.

u make me laff Q

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#120 Wayne
April 13 2011, 05:33PM
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Stanley Cup Final 2011

SJ vs. Boston

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#121 DrDave
April 13 2011, 05:50PM
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NO TO GARBAGE-KOV!! Keep him far far away!!!

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#122 Oilfan00
April 13 2011, 06:31PM
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Draft RNH

Hall-Horcoff-Eberle MPS-Gagner-Hemsky Hartikainen-Free Agent Center-Omark Cogs-Free Agent Center/VV-Jones

I think Cogs is a useful PK guy he just should not be taking faceoffs. Also Woldnt complain with a Hemsky for a Center trade and move Gagner to the wing as well or ship out Gagner.

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#123 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 06:38PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

Not wanting to argue Wax, we did have two raw rookies on our first line this past year, didn't we? Paajarvi and Omark fit in at various other locations as well.

What i came up with still addresses the longer term competitiveness of this team as well. RNH and Couturier will be here for 7 yrs minimum. I give you my word, we won't finish any lower in the standings next year than we did with Horcoff and Gagner in the lineup this year.

I don't think it's too much to ask to move damaged goods in Hemsky, or potentially a third line center on a competitive team in Gagner. Petry and Peckham top out at what, a #3-#5 d'man potentially? Everytime i see Sam get knocked off the puck or onto his arse i fire the remote control at the TV Wax Man......i'm tired of buying new TV's. The kid can't play at a level to which the Oilers are headed with Taylor Hall as the pilot.

...end rant.

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#124 Blue Blooded
April 13 2011, 06:42PM
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I'm surprised no one (that I've seen so far) here has thought about trading that number 1 pick. This years draft crop doesn't have a "Taylor Hall". If we picked up some assets (like you spoke of Lowtide: veteran presence, a 2-way centre, decent NHL D, etc) I'd say that pick could be very tradable. If a team is targeting, say, RNH why wouldn't we pull the trigger on a deal. Perhaps a team like Colorado or Florida would send something helpful our way plus their top 5 pick for #1.

Also, for the love of Pete Peters, please DO NOT bring back Grebeshkov!

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#125 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 06:52PM
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CM wrote:

Are you insinuating something along the lines of a suicide note?

Be not afraid CM.

I just feel GM's would conform to our needs if we singled out 4 or 5 GM's at the draft and pistol whipped them.

No GM's would be seriously harmed if they gave us what we needed during this exercise.

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#126 Crash
April 13 2011, 07:09PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Not wanting to argue Wax, we did have two raw rookies on our first line this past year, didn't we? Paajarvi and Omark fit in at various other locations as well.

What i came up with still addresses the longer term competitiveness of this team as well. RNH and Couturier will be here for 7 yrs minimum. I give you my word, we won't finish any lower in the standings next year than we did with Horcoff and Gagner in the lineup this year.

I don't think it's too much to ask to move damaged goods in Hemsky, or potentially a third line center on a competitive team in Gagner. Petry and Peckham top out at what, a #3-#5 d'man potentially? Everytime i see Sam get knocked off the puck or onto his arse i fire the remote control at the TV Wax Man......i'm tired of buying new TV's. The kid can't play at a level to which the Oilers are headed with Taylor Hall as the pilot.

...end rant.

That's not end rant, that's just a continuation of your endless rant

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#127 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 07:33PM
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Crash wrote:

That's not end rant, that's just a continuation of your endless rant

It's obvious you're satisfied with back to back last place finishes. To each his own, nothing like setting your expectations at curb height.

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#128 Wäx Män Riley
April 13 2011, 07:36PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

I'm sorry to hear about your TV's. I completely understand.

I'm on board with trading Gags or Hemsky if a good deal comes along. I still think Gagner will be a good #2C, and Hemsky can help this team a lot.... when healthy, but we all know how that usually works out.

The biggest thing is just having, again, so many rookies. It will turn out like this year and end up with another lottery pick.

If a deal can be done for Bogosian, that's awesome.

Petry is that young, solid, puck-moving defenseman that so many teams want. Why trade him? Peckham looked to be a solid defenseman with a mean streak. We could use both of those players so why trade them to try to get the same thing. The team still needs solid #4-5 d-men.

I just think with 2 more rookies in prominent roles along with all of the sophomores here would make a team that looks close to the one we saw in the last month of the season.

Edit: I guess without those moves the team will look pretty close to that anyway, with Hartikainen and Vande Velde, along with the rookie D....so ..... here we are

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#129 Jason
April 13 2011, 07:37PM
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I have to say that bar none the player we need in the line up is Landeskog. He has the size, skill and GRIT that we need in the top 6. He in my mind is the best player in the draft but unfortunatly we are stacked on the left wing. Can he play any other position??

If not i think the Oilers give some serious thought to moving Hall to center. I love him on the left wing and id like a natural center but i think we are passing up the best player for our team because we need more size in the top 6.

Id love to see

Landeskog - Hall - Hemsky Paajarvi - Gags - Eberle Hartikainen-Horcoff-Omark Jones-Fiddler-Eager

Whitney - Yandle (Brule, Cogs, and LA's pick) Gilbert - Peckham Smid - Petry

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#130 Crash
April 13 2011, 07:47PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

It's obvious you're satisfied with back to back last place finishes. To each his own, nothing like setting your expectations at curb height.

Not satisfied, but understand the process taking place in an attempt for this team to become a great high end team for a period of time.

Please don't pretend to know where my expectations are.

You continuously throw Gagner under the bus, yet you bitch and moan when other guys throw your fav's under....you have even defended Khabibulin.

You have tunnel vision, you pick out everytime Gagner loses a puck battle, but you choose to ignore when he wins em....and he does win em. Pretty much every player in the league loses puck battles, especially the smaller players. It's not exclusive to Gagner...it happens in the league every night and it happens to great players.

You couldn't be more wrong about the level that Gagner does, can and will be able to play at.

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#131 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 07:55PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

We all seem to be waiting for a good deal to come along. I say screw that, at this pace we'll be waiting forever for our ship to come in. Lets swim out to the HMS Bluejacket and take what we need from those sommbeaches.

What's wrong with initiating it rather than waiting for something to come our way. At this pace Kevin is right, it will be 4 yrs before we barely make the playoffs again. It's time to initiate it instead of waiting for someone to throw us a bone. Do something Tambellini!

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#132 Wäx Män Riley
April 13 2011, 08:02PM
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@Jason

Your lineup doesn't look too bad, but there is no way I would trade Yandle for Cogs, Bru and a #20 pick.... and I'm sure there is no way that Winnipeg does either

...Yay... Winnipeg

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#133 speeds
April 13 2011, 08:29PM
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Are you assuming that the Oilers aren't interested in spending anywhere near the cap, LT?

I think the Oilers need more help than that if they have intentions of making the playoffs.

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#134 OilFan
April 13 2011, 08:43PM
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Crash wrote:

Not satisfied, but understand the process taking place in an attempt for this team to become a great high end team for a period of time.

Please don't pretend to know where my expectations are.

You continuously throw Gagner under the bus, yet you bitch and moan when other guys throw your fav's under....you have even defended Khabibulin.

You have tunnel vision, you pick out everytime Gagner loses a puck battle, but you choose to ignore when he wins em....and he does win em. Pretty much every player in the league loses puck battles, especially the smaller players. It's not exclusive to Gagner...it happens in the league every night and it happens to great players.

You couldn't be more wrong about the level that Gagner does, can and will be able to play at.

You continuously bring Gagner up like he is a 2nd line center. This isn't the CHL.

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#135 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 08:47PM
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@Crash

You have it all wrong Crash.

Is it at all possible that you are suffering from tunnel vision, you choose to focus on every win when Gagner's in the lineup, yet you choose to ignore him when he quits on the play/puck or continually gets knocked on his keester. Could just be a matter of perspective really.

4 years and no measurable progress with the opportunities he's had.......IS THAT BUS READY TO GO HANK?

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#136 RossCreekNation
April 13 2011, 09:00PM
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Hemsky & 1st overall for Stastny & 2nd overall.

Stastny is a good two-way guy, a playmaker, he plays pp & pk, he's good on faceoffs, he's 2 years younger than Hemsky, he's signed for 2 more years than Hemsky, the Oil can afford him, the Avs may look to dump salary (and term)/he may want out, Hemsky's a fit on Duchene's wing. Basically, he would fill a few voids.

Then you draft either Larsson (because you still need a D) or Landeskog (because Hemsky leaves a void at RW).

Hall/Stastny/Eberle
Paajarvi/Gagner/Landeskog
Jones/Horcoff/Omark
Hartikainen/Cogliano/Asham
Fraser/Winchester

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#137 Crash
April 13 2011, 09:02PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

You have it all wrong Crash.

Is it at all possible that you are suffering from tunnel vision, you choose to focus on every win when Gagner's in the lineup, yet you choose to ignore him when he quits on the play/puck or continually gets knocked on his keester. Could just be a matter of perspective really.

4 years and no measurable progress with the opportunities he's had.......IS THAT BUS READY TO GO HANK?

Actually, I think you have it all wrong Q

I don't focus on wins and losses at this point...you're right though, I don't see much in the way of quit in Gagner.

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#138 Techne
April 13 2011, 09:03PM
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Oilers signed Pitlick today: http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=559580

Curious if this has anything to do with Oilers learning that they will pick #1 in the draft. Does this signal that they may draft a defenceman instead of a centreman?

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#139 Crash
April 13 2011, 09:08PM
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OilFan wrote:

You continuously bring Gagner up like he is a 2nd line center. This isn't the CHL.

This doesn't dignify a response

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#140 Dan the Man
April 13 2011, 09:10PM
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Techne wrote:

Oilers signed Pitlick today: http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=559580

Curious if this has anything to do with Oilers learning that they will pick #1 in the draft. Does this signal that they may draft a defenceman instead of a centreman?

I think it's safe to say that the 2 are completely unrelated.

The Oilers drafted Pitlick 31st overall last year and he had a strong year....why wouldn't they sign him?

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#141 sofapimp
April 13 2011, 09:16PM
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i think they will trade the pick so it doesnt take the shine off of hall.let him be the leader and only #1 pick

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#142 Crash
April 13 2011, 09:22PM
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Rebels win...RNH still a no show though.

Saskatoon, done...where was Brayden Schenn?

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#143 Quicksilver ballet
April 13 2011, 09:26PM
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Crash wrote:

This doesn't dignify a response

He knocked that one right out of the park eh Crash, just admit it, you're speechless, he's dead bang on.

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#144 OilFan
April 13 2011, 09:53PM
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what is going on here ?

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#145 Crash
April 13 2011, 09:57PM
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OilFan wrote:

what is going on here ?

Edited after you changed your post

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#146 OilFan
April 13 2011, 10:11PM
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@Crash

who knew ? you watching playoff hockey ?

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#147 Crash
April 13 2011, 10:35PM
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OilFan wrote:

who knew ? you watching playoff hockey ?

yup

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#148 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 10:45PM
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Crash wrote:

That's not end rant, that's just a continuation of your endless rant

Ha-ha.

Well said, it's been the same song and dance for the last 12 months.

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#149 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 10:55PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Not wanting to argue Wax, we did have two raw rookies on our first line this past year, didn't we? Paajarvi and Omark fit in at various other locations as well.

What i came up with still addresses the longer term competitiveness of this team as well. RNH and Couturier will be here for 7 yrs minimum. I give you my word, we won't finish any lower in the standings next year than we did with Horcoff and Gagner in the lineup this year.

I don't think it's too much to ask to move damaged goods in Hemsky, or potentially a third line center on a competitive team in Gagner. Petry and Peckham top out at what, a #3-#5 d'man potentially? Everytime i see Sam get knocked off the puck or onto his arse i fire the remote control at the TV Wax Man......i'm tired of buying new TV's. The kid can't play at a level to which the Oilers are headed with Taylor Hall as the pilot.

...end rant.

The most frustrating thing about you (and it was a tough battle to win that tittle) is this ridiculous thought process that the best way to improve the team is to remove the better players.

Now, as a disclaimer, anyone is for sale for the right deal. And in certain situations (usually injury risk or an expiring contract) you'll probably be a little more eager to make the move, (and accept a smaller return) however simply stripping away decent players and trying to "start again" is idiotic.

As badly as you don't want to admit it, Horcoff and Gagner are at worst are our current 4th and 5th best forwards, you could even make an argument that they are 2nd and 3rd, they are certainly 1st and 2nd at the center position.

You want to improve the team? You don't throw away 1c/2c and start from scratch.

You add a superior 1C so current 1C and 2C can drop down on the depth chart.

If it still isn't good enough you find someone else better and move them down the depth chart again.

Until Gagner/Horcoff are the 5th and 6th best centers on the team, you don't trade them unless you are getting exactly what you want from them.

This isn't rocket science.

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April 13 2011, 10:57PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Hemsky & 1st overall for Stastny & 2nd overall.

Stastny is a good two-way guy, a playmaker, he plays pp & pk, he's good on faceoffs, he's 2 years younger than Hemsky, he's signed for 2 more years than Hemsky, the Oil can afford him, the Avs may look to dump salary (and term)/he may want out, Hemsky's a fit on Duchene's wing. Basically, he would fill a few voids.

Then you draft either Larsson (because you still need a D) or Landeskog (because Hemsky leaves a void at RW).

Hall/Stastny/Eberle
Paajarvi/Gagner/Landeskog
Jones/Horcoff/Omark
Hartikainen/Cogliano/Asham
Fraser/Winchester

That would be a no brainer IMO.

I'd think we'd have to add more though.

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