What Would it Look Like?

Lowetide
April 13 2011 07:46AM

At last night's draft lottery (not a great television show but there was suspense--witness Bryan Murray's facial expressions throughout the proceedings) Oilers General Manager was resolute when asked if he wanted to be back on the lottery show next year: "Absolutely not!" he told James Duthie. IF the Oilers are serious about staying away from the dungeon, what would this summer look like? 

Even from this far away I think we can agree on a few things about this summer. If the Oilers want to step into the elevator shaft that means a lottery pick they can spend the summer quietly. Draft another elite prospect, get some diamonds in the later picks and then wait for the entire group of youngsters to develop.

Steve Tambellini can't just say "you know James, we're going to spend the next few seasons getitng really good kids and then dominate for a decade" so we shouldn't put too much weight on ST's words last night. However, if the club is serious about getting better, we'll know about it this summer.

  1. The draft: If the Oilers plan to reach for higher ground in 11-12, the draft will be about the #1 pick and getting quality with the LAK pick and their own selection at #31. Veterans like Hemsky, Gagner and Gilbert won't be in play. The number one pick won't be on the big league roster.
  2. The free agency period will have some nice acquisitions. Along with Ryan Jones, perhaps a Clarke MacArthur or Scottie Upshall will be under the tree. Signing an NHL calibre defensemen (say Denis Grebeshkov) would go a long way to making things right.
  3. Another Martin Gerber type signing--a quality goalie who can play in the NHL and do the job--is vital. The Oilers don't have any AHL depth now with the free agency situation and Khabibulin's fade is likely to continue. NK has a lot of miles on him and can see his 40th birthday on the horizon.
  4. A solid center who can help on the PK and in the faceoff dot. Someone like Boyd Gordon. I know Vande Velde showed well late in the season but this team is so poor when it comes to established veterans that signing Gordon and having him play those vital special teams minutes can go along way to improving the PK.

So, what would that look like? 

  • GOALER: Devan Dubnyk, Nikolai Khabibulin, real strength in the AHL
  • DEFENSE: Whitney-Petry, Peckham-Gilbert, Grebeshkov-Smid and Foster or Chorney
  • CENTER: Horcoff-Gagner-Cogliano-Gordon
  • LEFT WING: Hall-MacArthur-MPS--Hartikainen-Reddox
  • RIGHT WING: Hemsky-Eberle-Jones-Omark-enforcer (not my choice but Renney likes enforcers)

It isn't perfect, but it's better. And there's a chance this team would be able to endure the annual injuries better and finish outside the lottery. We'll know this summer.

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#151 Crash
April 13 2011, 10:59PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ha-ha.

Well said, it's been the same song and dance for the last 12 months.

Has it only been 12 months? Seems like much more, lol

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#152 Jiame
April 13 2011, 11:13PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Adam Larsson 4 goals,26pts combined the last two years in the SEL. Where did all the hype about this kid come from. A first overall for potentially a 3-4 d'man doesn't mesh with what the Oilers need.

Colton Orr 2 yrs @ 1 per may be a good fit. wonder what the Leafs would want for Colton if he's available.

You do know it's a PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE, right? And that's different than JUNIOR, right? And that he's 18 YEARS OLD, right? Just checking.

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#153 fuck off
April 13 2011, 11:35PM
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John Chambers wrote:

LT - I think you nail it in terms of what FA's this team might look to sign in order to trend toward competitiveness. Personnally I would attempt to sign Jonathan Ericsson from DET instead of Grebeshkov, but who am I?

In any event, I seriously hope the Oilers don't try to markedly improve. The line-up that you indicate above is still not a playoff-bound line-up. For two reasons: 1) We still won't have playoff-calibre goaltending, and 2) Not so much Hall and Eberle, but Omark, PRV, Petry etc are still a year away in terms of their development in order to provide the foundation of a competitive team.

As a result I'm resolutely against making any "big" moves this offseason, instead favouring another development year, drafting another stud, and going for broke from '12-'13 onwards.

I'm with you on this one John (thus the non-self props). Whatever you do to this roster it is still 2 years away from the playoffs. Sure adding some vets to make it competitive would do something to add to the next year's winning percentage. But really, lets not kid ourselves, another year in the lottery range (preferably on the outside looking in, instead of #1 with a bullet) is best for the team MAINLY for development. All these kids we have in the A and sprouting from Juniors need to get the opportunity to play a handful of games like VV, Harti and the defense depth chart got this spring. Beyound every possible depth, veteren, grinder add you could possibly imagine to add to this gutter bowl competitor; the fact still remains the same: NEEDED #1C & Top 2D.

2011 #1 overall will give the Oilers a permanent plug for one of those two omnious black holes. Another year and another top 5 pick will give either the current talent time to develop into filling those needs; or another blue chip that suitably fits the final void.

Only a full year in, has everyone forgotten the motto of this rebuild? In case you did, it's PATIENCE. Suck it up for one more year you season ticket holders.

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#154 the admiral
April 13 2011, 11:38PM
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not what i really want it to be, but what i think it will be.

hall-horc-eberle

hemsky-gagner-rnh(yes i think we pick him)

magnus-cogliano-ben linus omark

brule-lander/vande velde-jones

s-mac/hartikainen as extras

whitney/gilbert

petry/foster

peckham/smid

strudwick as extra

i really dont think the oilers will go after any ufa's. i think the way they will upgrade is through trades ie cogs, fraser, foster etc. we have alot of young players that COULD do alot of things, might as well see if it works, if not, start trading.

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#155 Oilfan00
April 14 2011, 01:26AM
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the admiral wrote:

not what i really want it to be, but what i think it will be.

hall-horc-eberle

hemsky-gagner-rnh(yes i think we pick him)

magnus-cogliano-ben linus omark

brule-lander/vande velde-jones

s-mac/hartikainen as extras

whitney/gilbert

petry/foster

peckham/smid

strudwick as extra

i really dont think the oilers will go after any ufa's. i think the way they will upgrade is through trades ie cogs, fraser, foster etc. we have alot of young players that COULD do alot of things, might as well see if it works, if not, start trading.

Not bad, well bad because that same lineup got us 30th in the league but I think Hartikainen will crack the lineup and if he doesnt there is no point on having him as an extra, I think Strudwick will be back but as the 8th D and more so just practices and is a good guy for the locker room. I think the Oil will take Hopkins as well but if that is the case I think Gagner has to go now, he was playing nicely this year and could have some value, draft RNH and trade Gagner for Bogosion or package him up with Smid and LAs pick for Weber (I dont think an offer sheet is the way to go)

Also I think UFAs are the way to go this year bottom 6 type guys for 1 or 2 years.

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#156 robinrussia
April 14 2011, 01:52AM
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Crash wrote:

What does Dubnyk playing 82 games have to do with having playoff calibre goaltending?

You made the bold statement that the Oilers don't have playoff calibre goaltending and I asked you to explain how it is you know this already. Dubnyk looks to me like he could be quite capable.

You sound like a politician, skirting the question.

And just so you know, I do buy season tickets and travel 400km per game to watch them, and I don't rant about how bad the team is. Call me optimistic, I actually consider that a good thing.

I get that you want them to have one more bad season. Just don't be surprised if they don't have as bad a season as you'd like. Health will likely be the main deciding factor.

Are you serious?

Non Playoff Caliber Goal Tending: 1) Khabibulin 2) Dubnyk - Renny doesn't believe it yet...why else would he say that Khabi gets the run with it next year? 3) Wouldn't matter if we had Vladimir Tretiak in net...we have no D...so our goaltending will always be suspect till that's adressed

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#157 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 14 2011, 07:44AM
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oilers1974 wrote:

Quicksilver: everyone else pretty much covered it. To those who think it's a good idea to throw big money at an RFA, keep this in mind. If they had been successful in securing the services of Thomas Vanek, the draft picks to Buffalo would have been Eberle, Paajarvi and Hall. Keep building the depth chart through the draft to create a pipeline at each position and be patient. Quick fixes will not work long term.

how on earth can one keep that in mind? There is no way to know the oilers finish in the exact same spots if they get Vanek...

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#158 Peterborough
April 14 2011, 08:37AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The most frustrating thing about you (and it was a tough battle to win that tittle) is this ridiculous thought process that the best way to improve the team is to remove the better players.

Now, as a disclaimer, anyone is for sale for the right deal. And in certain situations (usually injury risk or an expiring contract) you'll probably be a little more eager to make the move, (and accept a smaller return) however simply stripping away decent players and trying to "start again" is idiotic.

As badly as you don't want to admit it, Horcoff and Gagner are at worst are our current 4th and 5th best forwards, you could even make an argument that they are 2nd and 3rd, they are certainly 1st and 2nd at the center position.

You want to improve the team? You don't throw away 1c/2c and start from scratch.

You add a superior 1C so current 1C and 2C can drop down on the depth chart.

If it still isn't good enough you find someone else better and move them down the depth chart again.

Until Gagner/Horcoff are the 5th and 6th best centers on the team, you don't trade them unless you are getting exactly what you want from them.

This isn't rocket science.

Obie: does being the voice of reason get tiring or have you just accepted it as your lot in life here?

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#159 Peterborough
April 14 2011, 08:43AM
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Jiame wrote:

You do know it's a PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE, right? And that's different than JUNIOR, right? And that he's 18 YEARS OLD, right? Just checking.

And he's lead one of the top two teams in the SEL in TOI playing all the tough minuets?

Sounds like he'll top out at a #4 D to you too, eh?

There is a reason EVERYONE has this guy in their top 3 perhaps?

As they say on ESPN's Sunday countdown "C'mon man!"

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#160 Oilcruzer
April 14 2011, 08:58AM
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Peterborough wrote:

And he's lead one of the top two teams in the SEL in TOI playing all the tough minuets?

Sounds like he'll top out at a #4 D to you too, eh?

There is a reason EVERYONE has this guy in their top 3 perhaps?

As they say on ESPN's Sunday countdown "C'mon man!"

Thing about D men is they are so hard to project. Do you have a future Boris Mirinov, Chris Phillips, Wade Redden, or Nikki Lidstrom?

Larsson hype sounds so much like Hedman hype, and T B still don't know what they do or do not have with Victor, some three years later.

Larsson might be all that. But he just as easily might not.

Bird in hand on first overall. Get a Centre. It's a need and it's available.

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#161 Archaeologuy
April 14 2011, 09:09AM
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@Oilcruzer

Bingo

Let them draft defensmen with the LA pick and the 31st. They'll have just as good of a chance of becoming elite defensemen as whoever is taken in the top 5.

Bouwmeester, Bogosian, Hedman, Philips, Gudbranson, Hickey, Alzner, Erik Johnson. Would you spend another lottery pick to get any of these guys? If the answer is yes, then I would like to sell you my used Toyota Yaris for the sweet low price of 50,000 dollars.

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#162 Feynman
April 14 2011, 09:16AM
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Forward Lines as Follows:

Hall-Gagner-Eberle

Hemsky-Horcoff-Landeskog

MPS-Lander-Omark

Jones-VV-Hartikainen

Defense:

Whitney-Gilbert

Petry-Foster

Smid-Peckham

Use LA pick to move up around the 10 spot and draft a centre (Strome/Couturier)

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#163 Lochenzo
April 14 2011, 09:22AM
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I would call Washington to inquire on the availability of Eric Fehr. Good draft pedigree. A player the Oil identified back in 2003. Has had some success in the past but lost his spot in the lineup. Signed for good chunk of change so if the Caps are not using him, I'm sure they'd like to move him.

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#164 Ryan2
April 14 2011, 09:27AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Bingo

Let them draft defensmen with the LA pick and the 31st. They'll have just as good of a chance of becoming elite defensemen as whoever is taken in the top 5.

Bouwmeester, Bogosian, Hedman, Philips, Gudbranson, Hickey, Alzner, Erik Johnson. Would you spend another lottery pick to get any of these guys? If the answer is yes, then I would like to sell you my used Toyota Yaris for the sweet low price of 50,000 dollars.

How about putting together a package with the #1 overall for Shea Weber from Nashville?

If the rumors of the team being cash strapped are true, as well as his family ties to Edmonton, I would not mind seeing the team make a play for him via a "sign and trade" deal. The Oilers have more than enough cap space to over pay him if needed, and by doing a trade it would avoid the loss of several first round picks.

I would have no problem trading the #1 pick, LA's pick, one or two of Gagner/Cogs/OMarra/VandeVelde/Harski (I would hate to do this, but he probably has decent value right now) and a d-prospect or two from the farm to Nashville for Shea Webber with a contract signed in Nashville that the Oilers agreed to. Would it be an overpay? Definitely. However, that would give the Oilers a true stud d-man with another 5 - 7 years of prime performing years. He is also one of the "tweeners" at 26 that would bridge the gap between the youth movement and veteran players that the Oilers have not had since trading away Stoll and the others.

While Larsson may be a good to great d-man with time, it is not a given while we all know what Webber would bring to the table. The combo Whitney and Weber would give the Oilers a true top pairing that can play against any opposing top line, and Weber would be the big right handed shot on the point that the team could use. On the flip side, if the Preds think Larsson is another stud in the making (based on their organizational track record I would trust their judgement on this) they could take him as a replacement for Weber or draft RNH to add the offense they have always been missing.

The only downside is that it would leave the Oilers thin at the center position for another year and cost some depth forwards. That being said, he would fill the stud d-man hole on the team for several years to come.

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#165 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 09:28AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Thing about D men is they are so hard to project. Do you have a future Boris Mirinov, Chris Phillips, Wade Redden, or Nikki Lidstrom?

Larsson hype sounds so much like Hedman hype, and T B still don't know what they do or do not have with Victor, some three years later.

Larsson might be all that. But he just as easily might not.

Bird in hand on first overall. Get a Centre. It's a need and it's available.

The Headman example is probably the best.

Colorado knows they have a 1C in Duchene

NYI know they have a 1C in Tavares

TB has no idea if they have a 1D or a 3D in Headman.

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#166 Ca$h-Money!
April 14 2011, 09:33AM
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Langenbruner

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#167 Chris A
April 14 2011, 09:39AM
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RNH has 0 points in 4 games in the second round of WHL playoffs so far. Does everyone still think he is the BPA?

If his 2nd round choke continues and someone of the others near the top of the rankings tear it up in the remainder of their playoffs, then I think we'll see a change in expected #1...much to my relief.

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#168 mayorpoop
April 14 2011, 09:42AM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

Langenbruner

i would much rather find a way to fit smytty back into the back than langebruner.

would be nice to have a vet here who actually wants to be here for more than the cash money.

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#169 forestscooter
April 14 2011, 09:42AM
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I don't get the shea weber hype.. at least once a week i hear/read about how the oilers should try for him. I guess if they get a steal of a trade and a steal of a contract, sure maybe. But overpaying in a trade and overpaying on the contract, ridiculous.

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#170 mayorpoop
April 14 2011, 09:44AM
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is landeskog still playing? is larsson still playing in the SEL? one crap series does not define potential or talent.

yeah hows schenns team doing?

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#171 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 09:45AM
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Ryan2 wrote:

How about putting together a package with the #1 overall for Shea Weber from Nashville?

If the rumors of the team being cash strapped are true, as well as his family ties to Edmonton, I would not mind seeing the team make a play for him via a "sign and trade" deal. The Oilers have more than enough cap space to over pay him if needed, and by doing a trade it would avoid the loss of several first round picks.

I would have no problem trading the #1 pick, LA's pick, one or two of Gagner/Cogs/OMarra/VandeVelde/Harski (I would hate to do this, but he probably has decent value right now) and a d-prospect or two from the farm to Nashville for Shea Webber with a contract signed in Nashville that the Oilers agreed to. Would it be an overpay? Definitely. However, that would give the Oilers a true stud d-man with another 5 - 7 years of prime performing years. He is also one of the "tweeners" at 26 that would bridge the gap between the youth movement and veteran players that the Oilers have not had since trading away Stoll and the others.

While Larsson may be a good to great d-man with time, it is not a given while we all know what Webber would bring to the table. The combo Whitney and Weber would give the Oilers a true top pairing that can play against any opposing top line, and Weber would be the big right handed shot on the point that the team could use. On the flip side, if the Preds think Larsson is another stud in the making (based on their organizational track record I would trust their judgement on this) they could take him as a replacement for Weber or draft RNH to add the offense they have always been missing.

The only downside is that it would leave the Oilers thin at the center position for another year and cost some depth forwards. That being said, he would fill the stud d-man hole on the team for several years to come.

1st overall is exponentially more valuable then 6th/7th/8th overall picks ect.

You'll be able to put in an offer of close to 8 million with only 2x1st+2nd+3rd as compensation this summer.

I'd far rather give up next years and the year afters first (which will hopefully be out of the top 5 next year and top 10 the year after) then give up the #1 pick + other assets.

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#172 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 09:47AM
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forestscooter wrote:

I don't get the shea weber hype.. at least once a week i hear/read about how the oilers should try for him. I guess if they get a steal of a trade and a steal of a contract, sure maybe. But overpaying in a trade and overpaying on the contract, ridiculous.

He's a top 10 dman, arguably top 5.

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#173 forestscooter
April 14 2011, 09:51AM
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yeah i don't think this will hurt rnh draft rankings too much. the last ranking he had what, 6/10 GM's convinced he was the #1 pick. and the reports on the rebels second round games (despite them losing so badly) still talk about him being the most dynamic player on the ice, just he is being double teamed by the Tigers and his teamates aren't taking advantage of the extra ice they're getting.

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#174 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 14 2011, 09:54AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The most frustrating thing about you (and it was a tough battle to win that tittle) is this ridiculous thought process that the best way to improve the team is to remove the better players.

Now, as a disclaimer, anyone is for sale for the right deal. And in certain situations (usually injury risk or an expiring contract) you'll probably be a little more eager to make the move, (and accept a smaller return) however simply stripping away decent players and trying to "start again" is idiotic.

As badly as you don't want to admit it, Horcoff and Gagner are at worst are our current 4th and 5th best forwards, you could even make an argument that they are 2nd and 3rd, they are certainly 1st and 2nd at the center position.

You want to improve the team? You don't throw away 1c/2c and start from scratch.

You add a superior 1C so current 1C and 2C can drop down on the depth chart.

If it still isn't good enough you find someone else better and move them down the depth chart again.

Until Gagner/Horcoff are the 5th and 6th best centers on the team, you don't trade them unless you are getting exactly what you want from them.

This isn't rocket science.

I think we're making a little progress here Obbie. You mentioned the 4th or 5th best forwards thing, only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and Omark. If they're not in this top four the should be gutted from this team. Liquidate them for another shot in the top eight and add a kid or two to this foursome in this draft. We already have access to RNH, whats wrong with bringing in Couturier or Strome with that pick we aquire in a deal. One of these two kids could find themselves the No.1 center here sooner rather than later. I promise you Obbie, it won't get any worse than last years epic achievements in the standings.

Horcoff and Gagner don't sell much hope, let alone tickets here or on the road. Neither will be in the top six on this club in 12 months. What i'm saying is keep Horcoff as your first line center for next season. Move Gagner now while he still has marginal value to get a second shot in that top eight. Make this deal (Gagner,Kings 15th overall,Alex Plante yada yada yada) which allows the Oilers to bring in a Strome or a Couturier on top of NuHo, give Glencross 6-7 million over 3 yrs, bring in Scottie Upshall and let these two rookies find their way. Perhaps RNH needs another year in Red Deer, that leaves us with just one rookie in the lineup. As it sits the Oilers are still obligated to Brule and Fraser for one more year. If the Oilers could rid themselves of one of those two maybe we could bring in a Konopka or Rick Rypien. We still have Hemsky the 31st and Petry or Peckham to try and lure Bogosian away from Atlanta. Afterall, we are starting from scratch here now here, aren't we?

This helps us short term and as much so long term as well. This rebuild would be in the rear view mirror if Stu MacGregor continues to do his job as well as he has in the past. I can't take yet a third year of this crap.

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#175 forestscooter
April 14 2011, 10:00AM
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totally i understand how good weber is.. he's a great defenseman and it would be great to see him on the oilers, it just seems like the offers i hear/read are crazy.

if this were 2012 would i trade say a #10 pick + gagner (knowing rnh would be in the line-up) + prospect(s) for weber.. if he was signed at say, duncan keith money or a little more.. sure.

but every time i hear the name weber mentioned I hear trades/offer sheets that involve this years #1 overall pick, several first rounders, $8 million plus salaries.. in some combination.. that just seems crazy to me.

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#176 OilFan
April 14 2011, 10:11AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Bingo

Let them draft defensmen with the LA pick and the 31st. They'll have just as good of a chance of becoming elite defensemen as whoever is taken in the top 5.

Bouwmeester, Bogosian, Hedman, Philips, Gudbranson, Hickey, Alzner, Erik Johnson. Would you spend another lottery pick to get any of these guys? If the answer is yes, then I would like to sell you my used Toyota Yaris for the sweet low price of 50,000 dollars.

Sources ? What condition is that Toyota ? I'm not sure who they pick but if Larson is the best player why not pick him ? I don't like the idea of picking by position. So what if you draft another LW or RW if that guy out performs his susuccessor you have trade bait.

IMO they draft RNH and trade Gagner and picks to pick up a dman ( whom I'm not sure ).

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#177 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 10:17AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I think we're making a little progress here Obbie. You mentioned the 4th or 5th best forwards thing, only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and Omark. If they're not in this top four the should be gutted from this team. Liquidate them for another shot in the top eight and add a kid or two to this foursome in this draft. We already have access to RNH, whats wrong with bringing in Couturier or Strome with that pick we aquire in a deal. One of these two kids could find themselves the No.1 center here sooner rather than later. I promise you Obbie, it won't get any worse than last years epic achievements in the standings.

Horcoff and Gagner don't sell much hope, let alone tickets here or on the road. Neither will be in the top six on this club in 12 months. What i'm saying is keep Horcoff as your first line center for next season. Move Gagner now while he still has marginal value to get a second shot in that top eight. Make this deal (Gagner,Kings 15th overall,Alex Plante yada yada yada) which allows the Oilers to bring in a Strome or a Couturier on top of NuHo, give Glencross 6-7 million over 3 yrs, bring in Scottie Upshall and let these two rookies find their way. Perhaps RNH needs another year in Red Deer, that leaves us with just one rookie in the lineup. As it sits the Oilers are still obligated to Brule and Fraser for one more year. If the Oilers could rid themselves of one of those two maybe we could bring in a Konopka or Rick Rypien. We still have Hemsky the 31st and Petry or Peckham to try and lure Bogosian away from Atlanta. Afterall, we are starting from scratch here now here, aren't we?

This helps us short term and as much so long term as well. This rebuild would be in the rear view mirror if Stu MacGregor continues to do his job as well as he has in the past. I can't take yet a third year of this crap.

Still don't get it.

You don't gut forward 5 - 13 You add players that can push guys down the depth chart and start cutting at 13.

Player 4 and 5 aren't expendable until we've added 8 superior players

Their is at least some merit to trading LA pick + Gagner for a superior pick, because you are at least getting a quality asset, however I still think you are vastly overating picks outside the top 5.

Pick 6-10 from 2001 to 2005:

Koivu/Komisarek/Laclaire/Blackburn/Upshal/Lupul/Bouchard/Taticek/Nystrom/Mychalek/

Sutter/Coburn/Phaneuf/Montoya/Olesez/Picard/Smid/Vlabik/Brule/Skile/Setegochi/Lee/Bourdon

Pretty uninspiring list, how about you go ahead and count out how many you'd take over Gagner... might start to give you an idea as to what our odds are of actually improving our situation by following your suggestion

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#178 madjam
April 14 2011, 10:30AM
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MKE- Forget any reference to Patience , it's all over ! Tams has assessed our team and now concludes we are on target to make next years playoffs with incumbent players without even adding this years draftees or a high priced player in off season . This years draftees , as he put it will just be gravy to add to this team down the line. Isn't it wonderfull we won't have to be patient again . At least that is what Irelands interview with Tams revealed in today Journals .Tams now expects us to make playoffs next year with current staff and roster- hip , hip hooray .

Does Tams see things none of you see - get with the new times . We are now a playoff bound team so start acting like it . I know most you all think Tams is never wrong so why are you not on his newly found playoff bandwagon already ?

Maybe our GM is slightly delusional , but you all seem to all put your faith in everything he tells you . So lets end the talk of patience for once and for all , and get on with why we are going to make playoffs next season with current club and not much else !

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#179 Mal
April 14 2011, 10:37AM
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Listening to all of the reports they say there is no Hall or Seguin in this draft.

EDM may trade their #1 pick because not a strong draft.

Then I hear Larsson could be the next Lidstrom RNH could be Sakic or Pavel Datsyuk.

Using this logic:

So am I to believe that Hall and Seguin must be the next Gretzky and Lemieux., because pikers like Larsson and RNH will never best of the best.

All this hype, what is true and what is false?

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#180 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 14 2011, 10:39AM
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@Peterborough

"Everyone" also had Alexander Daigle,Patrick Stephan and Doug Wikenheiser listed as number 1 too Peterbourough.

The adjustment to the smaller ice surface over here will take much of his time and space away from him compared to over there. Look at the adjustments Paajarvi has had to deal with this year.... we'll just bite our tongue for a couple more years and hope we eventually get the player we thought we were getting.

Smaller ice surface combined with a significant adjustment period ahead, Larsson is no first overall pick, i say he falls to New Jersey and they say stay in the SEL for one more year kid.

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#181 Rexall Robots
April 14 2011, 10:46AM
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@Lowetide

Please explain why Boyd Gordon would sign with the Oilers? He has played parts of seven seasons with the Capitals, has a chance to get a nice little raise and compete for the Stanley Cup on an annual basis. Why would he come to a bottom-dwelling team?

Please also explain how Clark MacArthur becomes an Oiler? He is an impending RFA, that blossomed in Toronto this year and will most certainly be offered a new contract by the Leafs. Are the Oilers going to go down the offer sheet trail again? Trade for him?

Apart from the HFBoards caliber speculation on players coming to Edmonton, the questions asked about the Oilers and their roster next year make sense. Let's just leave the wild speculation to the amateurs please. I wouldn't want to dial up Oilers Nation one day and see you with Malkin being traded to the Oilers for Gagner, Cogs, and a 2nd rounder!! ;-)

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#182 Ender
April 14 2011, 10:46AM
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Quicksilver wrote:

only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and Omark. If they're not in this top four the should be gutted from this team.

OB1 wrote:

You don't gut forward 5 - 13 You add players that can push guys down the depth chart and start cutting at 13.
Player 4 and 5 aren't expendable until we've added 8 superior players

Quicksilver, while I don't claim that OB1 is right about everything, he's certainly right about this. Your plan to build on the kids and throw everything not part of the H.O.P.E. caption out the window is just about the worst asset-management plan I've ever heard of.

Quicksilver wrote:

I promise you Obbie, it won't get any worse than last years epic achievements in the standings.

While I believe you when you say this, 'Silver, saying that your plan won't take us South of 30th place isn't exactly inspiring any great degree of confidence. Contriving to jettison tangible assets in the hopes of bringing potential future assets back . . . you sound like a guy that likes to lose a lot of money in the stock market. Let me know how that works out for you.

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#183 Ryan2
April 14 2011, 10:53AM
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forestscooter wrote:

totally i understand how good weber is.. he's a great defenseman and it would be great to see him on the oilers, it just seems like the offers i hear/read are crazy.

if this were 2012 would i trade say a #10 pick + gagner (knowing rnh would be in the line-up) + prospect(s) for weber.. if he was signed at say, duncan keith money or a little more.. sure.

but every time i hear the name weber mentioned I hear trades/offer sheets that involve this years #1 overall pick, several first rounders, $8 million plus salaries.. in some combination.. that just seems crazy to me.

While I doubt that the Oilers will pull the trigger on a move for Weber, there is no way the Preds would trade Weber for a #10 pick+Gagner+prospect(s). They will get a better deal than that elsewhere. We got lucky in the original deal for Pronger thanks to the cap.

As Oilers fans we value our players too highly (just like everuone else). Does Sam still have some frutrher upside? Probably. However, is a top pairing/#1 d-man more valuable than a #2 center? I would say yes.

Now, if there were a clear cut franchise type #1 overall pick like Hall, Stamkos, Crosby, Ovechkin in the draft you would keep it and go with the pick. Unfortunately, that is not the case with this draft - it is closer to the 2007 draft where Patrick Kane went #1 overall. Basically, there are no clear cut franchise type players (Toews is the franchise player in Chicago) in the draft. As a result, I consider the pick to be expendable and I think that Tambi does too.

As far as overpaying for Weber, if the Oilers brass thinks that he is the anchor for the blue line for the next 5 years then I would have no problem with them overpaying for him. How much differently would the team look now if Pronger were still here?

I would also like to see a poll of other GMs on whether a package with Gagner+Cogs/Omarra/VandeVelde/Brule/Harski a d-prospect and the #1 and #20 something pick (in a weak draft) would be considered overpayment. My guess is that the view around the league about these prospects/players, outside of Harski, is not as high as most Oilers fans expect.

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#184 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Still don't get it.

You don't gut forward 5 - 13 You add players that can push guys down the depth chart and start cutting at 13.

Player 4 and 5 aren't expendable until we've added 8 superior players

Their is at least some merit to trading LA pick + Gagner for a superior pick, because you are at least getting a quality asset, however I still think you are vastly overating picks outside the top 5.

Pick 6-10 from 2001 to 2005:

Koivu/Komisarek/Laclaire/Blackburn/Upshal/Lupul/Bouchard/Taticek/Nystrom/Mychalek/

Sutter/Coburn/Phaneuf/Montoya/Olesez/Picard/Smid/Vlabik/Brule/Skile/Setegochi/Lee/Bourdon

Pretty uninspiring list, how about you go ahead and count out how many you'd take over Gagner... might start to give you an idea as to what our odds are of actually improving our situation by following your suggestion

I feel you're not seeing the bigger picture here Obbie.

Tambellini is obviously still in sell mode, assets for prospects and picks. Outside of maybe 8 or 9 players he wants to gut this whole thing. He wants a clean slate here Obbie.

The changes i would like to see are within reach....agreed? Anything that isn't a top six forward or the 1 or 2 on our blueline should be placed in the reduced to clear basket.

Go back and have a look at the roster i thought was within reach and tell me that team would'nt give us a shot at the playoffs THIS year. Of all those changes i'm most proud of is that Souray one. Didn't hear any reports of tumors coming out of Hersey this past season, he'll make a fine teammate in the Oilers dressing room. You know we got that guy for free, he's not going to cost us a penny more than what he's already due, not bad for a good 3 or 4 guy eh?

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#185 forestscooter
April 14 2011, 11:01AM
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@Ryan2

maybe they are over-valued, but they're needed.. with a trade like that we watch Weber laugh out loud for the next five years as he passes the puck up the ice to ??? nobody at center once horcoff gets hurt again ?

I'd say draft the potential 1C player in RNH, or hell even SC if you want. Then worry about a Weber-like player next year.

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#186 Archaeologuy
April 14 2011, 11:05AM
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@Ryan2

To me, the #1 pick is all but untouchable. Even for Weber. Weber is an excellent player, but my bet is the number one will be better.

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#187 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 14 2011, 11:10AM
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@Ender

Respectfully Ender.

These guys are a dime a dozen, we need kids who will crowd the hell out of that top 6, i'll take my chances the RNH or Couturier/ Strome will be able to carry this workload soon. Lets get the top seven set and the 8-13 guys will be more willing to come and play here, if they're not here already ( guys like Hartikanen).

I'm only asking for 4 guys Ender, and none of them are from the famed H.O.P.E. brigade.

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#188 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 11:12AM
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I feel you're not seeing the bigger picture here Obbie.

Tambellini is obviously still in sell mode, assets for prospects and picks. Outside of maybe 8 or 9 players he wants to gut this whole thing. He wants a clean slate here Obbie.

The changes i would like to see are within reach....agreed? Anything that isn't a top six forward or the 1 or 2 on our blueline should be placed in the reduced to clear basket.

Go back and have a look at the roster i thought was within reach and tell me that team would'nt give us a shot at the playoffs THIS year. Of all those changes i'm most proud of is that Souray one. Didn't hear any reports of tumors coming out of Hersey this past season, he'll make a fine teammate in the Oilers dressing room. You know we got that guy for free, he's not going to cost us a penny more than what he's already due, not bad for a good 3 or 4 guy eh?

The roster you posted would deliver 2 more 1st overall picks.

Considering you also said:

"I can't take yet a third year of this crap."

You'd be digging your own grave.

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#189 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 11:12AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

It's also a joke you've got Omark in your "top 4"

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#190 Boris
April 14 2011, 11:16AM
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Forget RHN, he is great against other boys and will probably be good against men in 2 or 3 years so lets trade the pick and what ever else the Av's want and get Stasny. Keep Gags as #2c, move Cogs to the wing on the thrid line with Horc as #3c

ps OB1, you can't win an arguement with someone like that, he argues like a teenage girl too.

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#191 Peterborough
April 14 2011, 11:21AM
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@Lowetide

Please explain why Boyd Gordon would sign with the Oilers? He has played parts of seven seasons with the Capitals, has a chance to get a nice little raise and compete for the Stanley Cup on an annual basis. Why would he come to a bottom-dwelling team?

Please also explain how Clark MacArthur becomes an Oiler? He is an impending RFA, that blossomed in Toronto this year and will most certainly be offered a new contract by the Leafs. Are the Oilers going to go down the offer sheet trail again? Trade for him?

Apart from the HFBoards caliber speculation on players coming to Edmonton, the questions asked about the Oilers and their roster next year make sense. Let's just leave the wild speculation to the amateurs please. I wouldn't want to dial up Oilers Nation one day and see you with Malkin being traded to the Oilers for Gagner, Cogs, and a 2nd rounder!! ;-)

Dude look at capgeek and see why Washington sign no one next year no room at all. Teams like Pitt, Calgary, Philly, Minny: can't sign any UFA to any decent dollars and must look to min contracts to fill out the roster. Look to these teams to get UFA from they can't match any offer. What would you do play for a winner at 600,000 or make 1.5-2? Do you think their wife would be sure honney take a 70-80% pay cut, I want you to be happy??? Then you've never had a wife, or a serious GF. Its still a biz guys remember: $ $ bills yo.

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#192 Archaeologuy
April 14 2011, 11:28AM
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@Boris

Wait.

Trade the 1st overall AND whatever the Avs want for a player who was drafted in the 2nd round, has never recorded 30 goals, has a history of missing games due to injury, and has just finished a season where he produced 57 points in 74 games?

This is what you want to give up the 1st overall +++ for? Stastny is a good player that I would take on my Oiler team any day, but not at the expense of the #1 pick in the NHL entry draft. Not today. Not ever.

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April 14 2011, 11:38AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

It's also a joke you've got Omark in your "top 4"

Have him on the third line Obbie, 7-9 spots. Have you always struggled with math like this?

I can see why we get along so well Obbie, with me struggling to write a coherant sentence and you with your math issues, it's nice that we can help each other out like this eh?

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#194 Boris
April 14 2011, 11:39AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Wait.

Trade the 1st overall AND whatever the Avs want for a player who was drafted in the 2nd round, has never recorded 30 goals, has a history of missing games due to injury, and has just finished a season where he produced 57 points in 74 games?

This is what you want to give up the 1st overall +++ for? Stastny is a good player that I would take on my Oiler team any day, but not at the expense of the #1 pick in the NHL entry draft. Not today. Not ever.

Yeah, take a proven #1 center that can help now and for quite a few years for a #1 pick in draft that is a bit weak. Maybe RHN or Larsson turns out to be a first line center or top paring D and you get rid of an existing player that is deternimed to be expendable. I don't see the down side however, do you think the Av's would take the LAK pick and roster player(s) for Stastny? Would/should Hemmer be in play for that trade?

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#195 TigerUnderGlass
April 14 2011, 11:44AM
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Ender wrote:

Quicksilver wrote:

only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and Omark. If they're not in this top four the should be gutted from this team.

OB1 wrote:

You don't gut forward 5 - 13 You add players that can push guys down the depth chart and start cutting at 13.
Player 4 and 5 aren't expendable until we've added 8 superior players

Quicksilver, while I don't claim that OB1 is right about everything, he's certainly right about this. Your plan to build on the kids and throw everything not part of the H.O.P.E. caption out the window is just about the worst asset-management plan I've ever heard of.

Quicksilver wrote:

I promise you Obbie, it won't get any worse than last years epic achievements in the standings.

While I believe you when you say this, 'Silver, saying that your plan won't take us South of 30th place isn't exactly inspiring any great degree of confidence. Contriving to jettison tangible assets in the hopes of bringing potential future assets back . . . you sound like a guy that likes to lose a lot of money in the stock market. Let me know how that works out for you.

Obviously you haven't yet heard about the new 12 year plan.

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#196 pelhem grenville
April 14 2011, 11:47AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

...ah... don't you mean the award winning contest busting "famed H.O.P.E brigade" Q ?

hey...on draft day?...i say dump everything, first overall, whatever the L.A. pick ends up being, Gagner if need be and get MapleBoston's pick (9th?) for the one the only Tyler Seguin.

AND

Couturier with his stock at an all time low could & prolly will be available at 9th ...

AND

Ender could garner back to back wins at the ON contest with his updated version of H.O.P.E.S.

how much 'winning' is that Charlie?

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#197 pelhem grenville
April 14 2011, 11:48AM
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a million apologies Obbie...

this was to be directed for the Q

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#198 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 11:49AM
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A little more digging on grabbing a second center with a 6 - 10 pick (via Gager+LA pick)

Centers drafted 6 - 10 from 1990 to 2006:

Scison/Forsburg/Stilman/Convery/Petrovicky/Nieds/Arnott/Kozlov/Wiemer/Langkow/Devereaux

Rasmussen/Tkaczuk/Malhotra/Bell/Beech/Lundmark/Yakubov/Koivu/Bouchard/Taticek/Olesz/Brule

Brassard/Mueller

So 25 guys

1 superstar (4%)

2 first liners (8%)

5 2nd liners (20%)

I don't know about you, but 12% shot at improving our situation, 20% shot at standing pat and 68% chance at down-grading doesn't sound too promising to me.

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#199 forestscooter
April 14 2011, 11:51AM
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The hype on drafts is great.. i love hearing about 'weak' drafts because there is no crosby or gretzky.. 'no clearcut #1' so media ratings go way up everytime a hockeyPanel is on TV.. controversial draft ranking updates with players moving up and down spots faster than Ryan Jones after xmas.. then after the #1 is picked even more media competition as people argue about how they knew player X was #1. Ratings, ratings, ratings.

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#200 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Have him on the third line Obbie, 7-9 spots. Have you always struggled with math like this?

I can see why we get along so well Obbie, with me struggling to write a coherant sentence and you with your math issues, it's nice that we can help each other out like this eh?

QSB says:

"only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and *Omark*"

You've got him listed under your "forwards that matter" yet you run Gagner out of town. Rediculous.

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