What Would it Look Like?

Lowetide
April 13 2011 07:46AM

At last night's draft lottery (not a great television show but there was suspense--witness Bryan Murray's facial expressions throughout the proceedings) Oilers General Manager was resolute when asked if he wanted to be back on the lottery show next year: "Absolutely not!" he told James Duthie. IF the Oilers are serious about staying away from the dungeon, what would this summer look like? 

Even from this far away I think we can agree on a few things about this summer. If the Oilers want to step into the elevator shaft that means a lottery pick they can spend the summer quietly. Draft another elite prospect, get some diamonds in the later picks and then wait for the entire group of youngsters to develop.

Steve Tambellini can't just say "you know James, we're going to spend the next few seasons getitng really good kids and then dominate for a decade" so we shouldn't put too much weight on ST's words last night. However, if the club is serious about getting better, we'll know about it this summer.

  1. The draft: If the Oilers plan to reach for higher ground in 11-12, the draft will be about the #1 pick and getting quality with the LAK pick and their own selection at #31. Veterans like Hemsky, Gagner and Gilbert won't be in play. The number one pick won't be on the big league roster.
  2. The free agency period will have some nice acquisitions. Along with Ryan Jones, perhaps a Clarke MacArthur or Scottie Upshall will be under the tree. Signing an NHL calibre defensemen (say Denis Grebeshkov) would go a long way to making things right.
  3. Another Martin Gerber type signing--a quality goalie who can play in the NHL and do the job--is vital. The Oilers don't have any AHL depth now with the free agency situation and Khabibulin's fade is likely to continue. NK has a lot of miles on him and can see his 40th birthday on the horizon.
  4. A solid center who can help on the PK and in the faceoff dot. Someone like Boyd Gordon. I know Vande Velde showed well late in the season but this team is so poor when it comes to established veterans that signing Gordon and having him play those vital special teams minutes can go along way to improving the PK.

So, what would that look like? 

  • GOALER: Devan Dubnyk, Nikolai Khabibulin, real strength in the AHL
  • DEFENSE: Whitney-Petry, Peckham-Gilbert, Grebeshkov-Smid and Foster or Chorney
  • CENTER: Horcoff-Gagner-Cogliano-Gordon
  • LEFT WING: Hall-MacArthur-MPS--Hartikainen-Reddox
  • RIGHT WING: Hemsky-Eberle-Jones-Omark-enforcer (not my choice but Renney likes enforcers)

It isn't perfect, but it's better. And there's a chance this team would be able to endure the annual injuries better and finish outside the lottery. We'll know this summer.

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#1 Crash
April 13 2011, 09:08PM
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OilFan wrote:

You continuously bring Gagner up like he is a 2nd line center. This isn't the CHL.

This doesn't dignify a response

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#2 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 10:55PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Not wanting to argue Wax, we did have two raw rookies on our first line this past year, didn't we? Paajarvi and Omark fit in at various other locations as well.

What i came up with still addresses the longer term competitiveness of this team as well. RNH and Couturier will be here for 7 yrs minimum. I give you my word, we won't finish any lower in the standings next year than we did with Horcoff and Gagner in the lineup this year.

I don't think it's too much to ask to move damaged goods in Hemsky, or potentially a third line center on a competitive team in Gagner. Petry and Peckham top out at what, a #3-#5 d'man potentially? Everytime i see Sam get knocked off the puck or onto his arse i fire the remote control at the TV Wax Man......i'm tired of buying new TV's. The kid can't play at a level to which the Oilers are headed with Taylor Hall as the pilot.

...end rant.

The most frustrating thing about you (and it was a tough battle to win that tittle) is this ridiculous thought process that the best way to improve the team is to remove the better players.

Now, as a disclaimer, anyone is for sale for the right deal. And in certain situations (usually injury risk or an expiring contract) you'll probably be a little more eager to make the move, (and accept a smaller return) however simply stripping away decent players and trying to "start again" is idiotic.

As badly as you don't want to admit it, Horcoff and Gagner are at worst are our current 4th and 5th best forwards, you could even make an argument that they are 2nd and 3rd, they are certainly 1st and 2nd at the center position.

You want to improve the team? You don't throw away 1c/2c and start from scratch.

You add a superior 1C so current 1C and 2C can drop down on the depth chart.

If it still isn't good enough you find someone else better and move them down the depth chart again.

Until Gagner/Horcoff are the 5th and 6th best centers on the team, you don't trade them unless you are getting exactly what you want from them.

This isn't rocket science.

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#3 Archaeologuy
April 14 2011, 11:28AM
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@Boris

Wait.

Trade the 1st overall AND whatever the Avs want for a player who was drafted in the 2nd round, has never recorded 30 goals, has a history of missing games due to injury, and has just finished a season where he produced 57 points in 74 games?

This is what you want to give up the 1st overall +++ for? Stastny is a good player that I would take on my Oiler team any day, but not at the expense of the #1 pick in the NHL entry draft. Not today. Not ever.

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#4 baggedmilk
April 13 2011, 08:26AM
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I'd like to see the Oilers try and sign Zenon Konopka. He was almost 60% on the dot, and is more than tough enough to protect the kids. He would be a great 4th line center.

That being said, I don't know how he is in the room (obviously) or if he's any good on the PK, but having a guy that can consistently win faceoffs and drops the mitts when needed would be an excellent pickup.

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#5 TonyDanzaPervo
April 13 2011, 09:03AM
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I do not enjoy Denis Grebeshkov.

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#6 Archaeologuy
April 13 2011, 02:56PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

So, Horcoff is your 1C and your 2/3C spots are made up of two 18 year old rookies that are likely impossible to be drafted together. You have 24 players for a 23 man roster. Peckham is supposedly traded yet still playing as your 6D. Souray has been welcomed back with open arms, AND you just traded away the team's best offensive Centre, Winger (for now), as well as the best NHL ready defensive prospects...and Fraser.

Well at least Fraser's gone.

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#7 Crash
April 13 2011, 07:09PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Not wanting to argue Wax, we did have two raw rookies on our first line this past year, didn't we? Paajarvi and Omark fit in at various other locations as well.

What i came up with still addresses the longer term competitiveness of this team as well. RNH and Couturier will be here for 7 yrs minimum. I give you my word, we won't finish any lower in the standings next year than we did with Horcoff and Gagner in the lineup this year.

I don't think it's too much to ask to move damaged goods in Hemsky, or potentially a third line center on a competitive team in Gagner. Petry and Peckham top out at what, a #3-#5 d'man potentially? Everytime i see Sam get knocked off the puck or onto his arse i fire the remote control at the TV Wax Man......i'm tired of buying new TV's. The kid can't play at a level to which the Oilers are headed with Taylor Hall as the pilot.

...end rant.

That's not end rant, that's just a continuation of your endless rant

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#8 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 10:45PM
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Crash wrote:

That's not end rant, that's just a continuation of your endless rant

Ha-ha.

Well said, it's been the same song and dance for the last 12 months.

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#9 Archaeologuy
April 13 2011, 09:36AM
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@Death Metal Nightmare

~It was definitely the pro-Canadian pro-Pedigree bias that kept Omark to 5 goals.~

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#10 John Chambers
April 13 2011, 10:08AM
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LT - I think you nail it in terms of what FA's this team might look to sign in order to trend toward competitiveness. Personnally I would attempt to sign Jonathan Ericsson from DET instead of Grebeshkov, but who am I?

In any event, I seriously hope the Oilers don't try to markedly improve. The line-up that you indicate above is still not a playoff-bound line-up. For two reasons: 1) We still won't have playoff-calibre goaltending, and 2) Not so much Hall and Eberle, but Omark, PRV, Petry etc are still a year away in terms of their development in order to provide the foundation of a competitive team.

As a result I'm resolutely against making any "big" moves this offseason, instead favouring another development year, drafting another stud, and going for broke from '12-'13 onwards.

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#11 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 10:23AM
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why does everyone talk about Markov? why do we want someone who has played only 7 games this season and had 2 MAJOR knee surgeries this season? what's so attractive about that?

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#12 dragon - draft RNH & Oleksiak
April 13 2011, 10:48AM
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Breakerdog wrote:

"and hope to get a guy like dman JAMIESON OLEKSIAK (6'7, 244) with the kings pick."

Yes, because thats what we need. More terrible hockey players whose only skill is being large. JFJ, SMAC, Bigos, Abney.

...you should really do your reading BEFORE you do your bashing...

college kid that can skate, has size, can shoot the puck and is a cross between Myers and Chara.

I'd take a chance.

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#13 forestscooter
April 14 2011, 09:42AM
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I don't get the shea weber hype.. at least once a week i hear/read about how the oilers should try for him. I guess if they get a steal of a trade and a steal of a contract, sure maybe. But overpaying in a trade and overpaying on the contract, ridiculous.

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#14 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 10:17AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I think we're making a little progress here Obbie. You mentioned the 4th or 5th best forwards thing, only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and Omark. If they're not in this top four the should be gutted from this team. Liquidate them for another shot in the top eight and add a kid or two to this foursome in this draft. We already have access to RNH, whats wrong with bringing in Couturier or Strome with that pick we aquire in a deal. One of these two kids could find themselves the No.1 center here sooner rather than later. I promise you Obbie, it won't get any worse than last years epic achievements in the standings.

Horcoff and Gagner don't sell much hope, let alone tickets here or on the road. Neither will be in the top six on this club in 12 months. What i'm saying is keep Horcoff as your first line center for next season. Move Gagner now while he still has marginal value to get a second shot in that top eight. Make this deal (Gagner,Kings 15th overall,Alex Plante yada yada yada) which allows the Oilers to bring in a Strome or a Couturier on top of NuHo, give Glencross 6-7 million over 3 yrs, bring in Scottie Upshall and let these two rookies find their way. Perhaps RNH needs another year in Red Deer, that leaves us with just one rookie in the lineup. As it sits the Oilers are still obligated to Brule and Fraser for one more year. If the Oilers could rid themselves of one of those two maybe we could bring in a Konopka or Rick Rypien. We still have Hemsky the 31st and Petry or Peckham to try and lure Bogosian away from Atlanta. Afterall, we are starting from scratch here now here, aren't we?

This helps us short term and as much so long term as well. This rebuild would be in the rear view mirror if Stu MacGregor continues to do his job as well as he has in the past. I can't take yet a third year of this crap.

Still don't get it.

You don't gut forward 5 - 13 You add players that can push guys down the depth chart and start cutting at 13.

Player 4 and 5 aren't expendable until we've added 8 superior players

Their is at least some merit to trading LA pick + Gagner for a superior pick, because you are at least getting a quality asset, however I still think you are vastly overating picks outside the top 5.

Pick 6-10 from 2001 to 2005:

Koivu/Komisarek/Laclaire/Blackburn/Upshal/Lupul/Bouchard/Taticek/Nystrom/Mychalek/

Sutter/Coburn/Phaneuf/Montoya/Olesez/Picard/Smid/Vlabik/Brule/Skile/Setegochi/Lee/Bourdon

Pretty uninspiring list, how about you go ahead and count out how many you'd take over Gagner... might start to give you an idea as to what our odds are of actually improving our situation by following your suggestion

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#15 Ender
April 14 2011, 10:46AM
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Quicksilver wrote:

only the top 4 forwards matter going forward Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi and Omark. If they're not in this top four the should be gutted from this team.

OB1 wrote:

You don't gut forward 5 - 13 You add players that can push guys down the depth chart and start cutting at 13.
Player 4 and 5 aren't expendable until we've added 8 superior players

Quicksilver, while I don't claim that OB1 is right about everything, he's certainly right about this. Your plan to build on the kids and throw everything not part of the H.O.P.E. caption out the window is just about the worst asset-management plan I've ever heard of.

Quicksilver wrote:

I promise you Obbie, it won't get any worse than last years epic achievements in the standings.

While I believe you when you say this, 'Silver, saying that your plan won't take us South of 30th place isn't exactly inspiring any great degree of confidence. Contriving to jettison tangible assets in the hopes of bringing potential future assets back . . . you sound like a guy that likes to lose a lot of money in the stock market. Let me know how that works out for you.

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#16 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 11:12AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I feel you're not seeing the bigger picture here Obbie.

Tambellini is obviously still in sell mode, assets for prospects and picks. Outside of maybe 8 or 9 players he wants to gut this whole thing. He wants a clean slate here Obbie.

The changes i would like to see are within reach....agreed? Anything that isn't a top six forward or the 1 or 2 on our blueline should be placed in the reduced to clear basket.

Go back and have a look at the roster i thought was within reach and tell me that team would'nt give us a shot at the playoffs THIS year. Of all those changes i'm most proud of is that Souray one. Didn't hear any reports of tumors coming out of Hersey this past season, he'll make a fine teammate in the Oilers dressing room. You know we got that guy for free, he's not going to cost us a penny more than what he's already due, not bad for a good 3 or 4 guy eh?

The roster you posted would deliver 2 more 1st overall picks.

Considering you also said:

"I can't take yet a third year of this crap."

You'd be digging your own grave.

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#17 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 14 2011, 11:12AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

It's also a joke you've got Omark in your "top 4"

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#18 CM
April 13 2011, 07:51AM
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Not the biggest fan of FISTs on the roster but overall I like it

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#19 Archaeologuy
April 13 2011, 08:14AM
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I don't know if the 1st Overall won't make this club. Even if it's skinny RNH. The guy is still the #1 pick. If he legitimately can't make the club then that's one thing, but you cant keep a guy out of a spot he earned for artificial reasons.

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#20 smytty777
April 13 2011, 08:28AM
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LT: I agree with your assessment of needs (one capable D, a vet winger and a center that can win draws). I don't like any of the names that you've thrown out but that's just personal preference ;)

I would be targetting Konopka or Fiddler; Upshall or Glencross; and Hejda or Ericsson.

Likely the Oilers strike out as the UFA market is not likely to be kind to them, but even filling one of these positions would help.

MacArthur is a RFA I believe, so I don't see him signing anywhere. Trade maybe.

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#21 Archaeologuy
April 13 2011, 08:51AM
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@Hemmertime

Omark was borderline even at training camp. There was a reported language barrier and questions about his commitment defensively. This is more along the lines of the group that wanted Hall to keep playing with the kiddies instead of Pro.

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#22 Dan the Man
April 13 2011, 09:37AM
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The real question is, what will the roster look like after Christmas when half the team is injured?

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#23 Breakerdog
April 13 2011, 09:47AM
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"and hope to get a guy like dman JAMIESON OLEKSIAK (6'7, 244) with the kings pick."

Yes, because thats what we need. More terrible hockey players whose only skill is being large. JFJ, SMAC, Bigos, Abney.

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#24 Robin Brownlee
April 13 2011, 10:16AM
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You listed Reddox. Is he related?

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#25 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 10:34AM
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@John Chambers

i agree with your assessment, i really can't see us landing a big name FA seeing as the FA pool is relatively small this year.

but if we did sign a bunch of FA's this year, i would think that what we did this year would have all gone to waste. having our farm hands having such a large amount of NHL time only to send them back down because of FA acquisitions seems to be taking a step down in the development stage.

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#26 Crash
April 13 2011, 10:55AM
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John Chambers wrote:

LT - I think you nail it in terms of what FA's this team might look to sign in order to trend toward competitiveness. Personnally I would attempt to sign Jonathan Ericsson from DET instead of Grebeshkov, but who am I?

In any event, I seriously hope the Oilers don't try to markedly improve. The line-up that you indicate above is still not a playoff-bound line-up. For two reasons: 1) We still won't have playoff-calibre goaltending, and 2) Not so much Hall and Eberle, but Omark, PRV, Petry etc are still a year away in terms of their development in order to provide the foundation of a competitive team.

As a result I'm resolutely against making any "big" moves this offseason, instead favouring another development year, drafting another stud, and going for broke from '12-'13 onwards.

I'm kinda getting tired of people who seem to know that our goaltending isn't good enough...

John, how the heck do you know that our goaltending isn't playoff-calibre already? Dubnyk put up some pretty good numbers this year on a crippled hockey team and he'll be into his 3rd nhl season next year and is now 25 yrs old.

Just what is playoff calibre goaltending? Michael Leighton? Who couldn't make anyone's roster this year and passed through re-entry waivers yet led Philly to the cup final last year? Is it Antti Niemi? The guy that won the cup but whose team walked away from his salary arbitration award...Is it Sergei Bobrovsky? Michal Neuvirth? Sergei Varlamov? Dan Ellis? Ray Emery? Corey Crawford? Jimmy Howard? Dwayne Roloson? Brian Boucher?

I'd just like to know what it is that you know that suggests the Oilers don't have playoff calibre goaltending or goaltending that is as good as those I listed that are in the playoffs this year....didn't Khabibulin win a Stanley cup? What is it about Dubnyk that you know that makes him not playoff calibre? Just curious how you know this already.

As far as playoffs go and this is just my opinion, it's not a bold statement. If the Oilers 1st overall pick makes the team this coming season and I don't see why he wouldn't (based on history) and the Oilers stay healthy, they may only be one decent d-man addition from making a run at the playoffs.

Hall-1st overall pick (RNH, Landeskog, Couturier)-Hemsky

Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle

Hartikainen-Horcoff-Omark

4th line take your pick: Cogliano, Brule, Jacques, SMAC, UFA (ie: Kenopka, Rupp, Gordon), Jones

Whitney/Petry

Gilbert/Peckham

Smid/Foster

Add the decent pick up (fingers crossed). Myself I don't consider Grebeshkov a decent pickup, Ericsson either....they have to aim higher or don't bother. Bring back Vandermeer if need be. Jim Matheson suggests the Oilers may target Shea Weber for an offer sheet.

This lineup could surprise and take a run at a playoff spot....if they stay relatively healthy IMO. I don't think it's out of the question to think that we'll get even more next yr out of Hall, Eberle, Omark, Paajarvi, Hartikainen, Petry, Peckham, Dubnyk, Gagner, Cogliano and even Khabibulin than they delivered this year.

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#27 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 13 2011, 10:57AM
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As good as it is to have that 1st overall pick i still think we need another shot in the 7-8'ish zone. Moving up to grab Couturier or Strome would help if NuHo goes back to Red Deer for another year. Address this center issue this year and see what could be done for Bogosian or even Shea Weber next summer to go with a stronger group of defenseman in next years draft.

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#28 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 13 2011, 11:34AM
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Adam Larsson 4 goals,26pts combined the last two years in the SEL. Where did all the hype about this kid come from. A first overall for potentially a 3-4 d'man doesn't mesh with what the Oilers need.

Colton Orr 2 yrs @ 1 per may be a good fit. wonder what the Leafs would want for Colton if he's available.

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#29 John Chambers
April 13 2011, 12:22PM
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@Crash

So Dubnyk is going to play 82 games?

You're mighty optimistic. Why don't you go buy season tickets and then spend next winter ranting on ON about how bad the team is, and how nobody will buy the tickets you've got up for sale on stubhub because you need money to fix your drivetrain?

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#30 Eric Johnson
April 13 2011, 12:30PM
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What about Vernon Fiddler?

Edmonton boy, 30, could be a solid 3C 4C.

He's UFA making 1.1 in Phoenix this season.

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#31 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 12:36PM
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First off Tambi didn't sign Fraser he traded for him. MacArthur is a RFA and signing him to an offer sheet is sheer madness, LT. Our @ssholes are still bleeding after the Penner signing.

Here's a thought: The devils own the #4 pick and need to make the playoffs next year for certain. They have huge cap issues and a RFA that will cost big bucks comming up this summer (Parise). I don't see how they are going to be able to afford a player 3.5 mil range the #4 pick should get maybe they make a deal to trade down with us? I can't see any other non-playoff teams possibly taded away a pick this good.

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#32 Crash
April 13 2011, 12:38PM
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John Chambers wrote:

So Dubnyk is going to play 82 games?

You're mighty optimistic. Why don't you go buy season tickets and then spend next winter ranting on ON about how bad the team is, and how nobody will buy the tickets you've got up for sale on stubhub because you need money to fix your drivetrain?

What does Dubnyk playing 82 games have to do with having playoff calibre goaltending?

You made the bold statement that the Oilers don't have playoff calibre goaltending and I asked you to explain how it is you know this already. Dubnyk looks to me like he could be quite capable.

You sound like a politician, skirting the question.

And just so you know, I do buy season tickets and travel 400km per game to watch them, and I don't rant about how bad the team is. Call me optimistic, I actually consider that a good thing.

I get that you want them to have one more bad season. Just don't be surprised if they don't have as bad a season as you'd like. Health will likely be the main deciding factor.

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#33 Mantastic
April 13 2011, 12:54PM
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@Peterborough

the thing is NJ doesn't need to have this years draft pick play for them next season, if they send them back to the minors or europe they won't suffer the cap hit.

from TSN, tamby said that the 1st overall is fair game for trade. i could possibly see colorado and us swapping picks, our 1st overall + penner pick (+ maybe 2nd/3rd round) for their 2nd overall + 11th overall (STL pick)

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#34 Ca$h-Money
April 13 2011, 01:42PM
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Roman Hamrlik Ed Jovanovski Bryan Berard Chris Phillips Erik Johnson

These are the dmen drafted first overall in the last 20 years. In the case of Erik Johnson, the teams that drafted after him took:

Jordan Staal, Jonathan Toews, Nick Backstrom, and Phil Kessel.

I believe St. Louis would rather have any of those guys. I believe Larsson will be a quality player, but the fact is a number 1 pick should be used to pick up a forward because it's way more obvious which ones have the skills to make an impact at the NHL level.

Also, I reiterate, we should go hard after Langenbruner in the off season.

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#35 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 13 2011, 01:46PM
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Hall Horcoff Eberle

Glencross RNH Upshall

Paajarvi Couturier Omark

Jones Cogliano Rupp

MacIntyre Brule JF Jacques

Whitney and Bogosian

Souray and Gilbert

Smid and Peckham

Foster

Khabibulin Dubnyk

Missing and presumed traded..... Hemsky,Gagner,Fraser and Petry or Peckham

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#36 Fee Logolin
April 13 2011, 01:54PM
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Eric Johnson wrote:

What about Vernon Fiddler?

Edmonton boy, 30, could be a solid 3C 4C.

He's UFA making 1.1 in Phoenix this season.

I have it on good authority that from the player side at least this is a consideration especially if Winterpeg is in play... if he has to come back to winter he might as well do it at home...

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#37 Zarf
April 13 2011, 02:19PM
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Jordan wrote:

How many of you actually have seen RNH play and Adam Larsson? You like me rely on the hype. I hope EDM does pick the right player but none of us are scouts, so this is about how well reporters hype the player.

Well said, Jordan. I second that.

And here's the thing: I don't think the Oilers are going to go wrong with picking either guy, not from what I'm hearing. So I'm content to let them make their pick and hear their justification for it.

There are plenty of compelling reasons to pick a Sakic-like centre or a Lidstrom-like d-man.

Truth be told, I'm probably more concerned about what they'll do with LA's pick because if they choose to keep it, it's on that range where you can screw it up. That's the one they'll need to do their homework on.

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#38 DougWeightProblem
April 13 2011, 02:27PM
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Tyler wrote:

Rolston and 4th for Hemmer and 31 st. Done in a heart beat. I'd even sub in 31 for the 18th if that's what it took.

Massive overpayment. Give your head a shake.

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#39 DougWeightProblem
April 13 2011, 02:50PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Is there cap issues there?

Pretty big overhaul i know but it's time to be aggressive make our own luck. Think we could pry Jared Bol out of the Jackets instead of Micheal Rupp?

I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts as to where this scenario or portion thereof falls short.

It is not time to "be aggressive", as it is still very early in the rebuild and we are not even close to contending regularly. Hemsky, Gagner, Petry, and Peckham are all part of the future and will not be traded. Couturier will not be an Oiler, nor will Bogosian. These things I have seen; it has been foretold.

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#40 gord962
April 13 2011, 03:04PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Hall Horcoff Eberle

Glencross RNH Upshall

Paajarvi Couturier Omark

Jones Cogliano Rupp

MacIntyre Brule JF Jacques

Whitney and Bogosian

Souray and Gilbert

Smid and Peckham

Foster

Khabibulin Dubnyk

Missing and presumed traded..... Hemsky,Gagner,Fraser and Petry or Peckham

This may be the funniest thing I have ever read on the interwebs. Thanks for the laugh!

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#41 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 04:13PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

a contract that could possibly tie the teams hands for 20 years is not a steal.

Do a poll on oilers nation whether this is a good or bad contract. I think the votes would be in favour of bad.

If he can score 80+ points for a good chunk of the next 6-7 years that tha's a heck of a deal.

After that it will really depend on where the cap is.

Anyone that claims flat out that it's a bad deal simply doesn't understand the concept of inflation.

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#42 They're $hittie
April 13 2011, 04:14PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Well, we did have 4 rookies for most of this past year Archie. I anticipate having to move Peckham or Petry in a deal, i could'nt exclude both from the roster. I know it's a sorry situation having Horcoff as the 1st line center here but having only 2 rookies next year in RNH and Couturier is an acceptible level compared to last year isn't it? #10 is gone by the time the 12-13 season rolls around.

Souray, all is lost on this front according to most. The Oilers are paying him anyways why not give him a chance to re-establish himself as an NHL player again? Has Sheldon givin up on an opportunity to play in the NHL again? Have to think a team that finished deadlast two years running would give a project guy like that a shot at redemtion.

Slow day at work Archie, thought i'd stir things up a little. Hope i didn't fall of my pedestal again.

RNH and Couterier is better than last years centers??? Maybe in the future. Look at Hall and Eberle. Their numbers were close to Gagner, who was still superior to them in 5x5 p/60. This is a 20-21 (eberle) year old and a top elite prospect (hall). Neither Couturier or RNH are at the level of Hall nor as old and developed as Eberle, so why would that be better than a 22 year old next year who is a proven second line center.

Look how the team struggled without horcoff (not a fan) in the line. Gagner was eating hard minutes. There is no way the two would both be productive in the NHL next year on the same team.

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April 13 2011, 04:17PM
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if phoenix and atlanta are still in the league there could be deflation, than what. Kovalchuk is not top 5 in the nhl maybe not top 10, so why should he be paid like he is number 1.

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#44 oilers1974
April 13 2011, 04:23PM
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Quicksilver: everyone else pretty much covered it. To those who think it's a good idea to throw big money at an RFA, keep this in mind. If they had been successful in securing the services of Thomas Vanek, the draft picks to Buffalo would have been Eberle, Paajarvi and Hall. Keep building the depth chart through the draft to create a pipeline at each position and be patient. Quick fixes will not work long term.

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#45 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 04:25PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

if phoenix and atlanta are still in the league there could be deflation, than what. Kovalchuk is not top 5 in the nhl maybe not top 10, so why should he be paid like he is number 1.

We just went through the worst financial $hit-storm in 80 years and the cap didn't go down.

I've yet to see anything that shows league wide revenue has ever dropped for more then 1-2 years (if that)

I'm confident we'll never see sustained deflation.

Kovalchuk is the 20th highest cap hit forward in the league. He's easily in the top 20 forwards in the league, arguably top 10.

If anything his cap hit is a steal at this point.

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#46 Wax Man Riley
April 13 2011, 04:31PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

See, now that's where the problem is Doug. You think the same way Steve Tambeliini does.

Steve would get more accomplished with some kind words and a gun than he would with just some kind words. He needs to be more aggressive (be willing to give something to get something)

Lets trade our next 2 first rounders for Kessel. That's being aggressive Brian.

Being aggressive gets you a decent team today, then lets you flounder at 10th place for 4 years, running out your big-time contracts and pushing closer to a rebuild. Look at the Flames and Leafs especially.

To build a winner for the long-term will take that patience.

Also, that roster you put together isn't being aggressive, it is trying for another lottery pick. RNH and Courturier as your 2/3. Those are 2 new rookies in prominent roles. Horcoff is #1?

We just traded our 2 best up and coming defense as well in Petry and Peckham? Gagner and Hemsky.... well... maybe I can see that, especially if you do somehow get Bogo back.

And Souray? Really? Where did he come from?

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#47 Peterborough
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

If he can score 80+ points for a good chunk of the next 6-7 years that tha's a heck of a deal.

After that it will really depend on where the cap is.

Anyone that claims flat out that it's a bad deal simply doesn't understand the concept of inflation.

Dude thank you: I feel like I've been taking crazy pills. GP:702 G:369 A:333 P:702

Those are crazy good box cars for less than 7 mil. Add to that the crap he has had around him for offence his whole career. I'd kill someone to have a tallent like that at those dollars locked up long term.

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#48 Peterborough
April 13 2011, 04:53PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

if phoenix and atlanta are still in the league there could be deflation, than what. Kovalchuk is not top 5 in the nhl maybe not top 10, so why should he be paid like he is number 1.

Actually he's 25th in av cap hit this year. Maybe you should check facts . . . or just keep looking foolish . . . your choice.

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#49 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2011, 05:18PM
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Peterborough wrote:

Dude thank you: I feel like I've been taking crazy pills. GP:702 G:369 A:333 P:702

Those are crazy good box cars for less than 7 mil. Add to that the crap he has had around him for offence his whole career. I'd kill someone to have a tallent like that at those dollars locked up long term.

The funny part is I think most Oiler fans would be pumped to have Hall locked up for 20 years at 6.6 per.

And we'll be lucky if Hall produces like Kovalchuk has.

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#50 Crash
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

It's obvious you're satisfied with back to back last place finishes. To each his own, nothing like setting your expectations at curb height.

Not satisfied, but understand the process taking place in an attempt for this team to become a great high end team for a period of time.

Please don't pretend to know where my expectations are.

You continuously throw Gagner under the bus, yet you bitch and moan when other guys throw your fav's under....you have even defended Khabibulin.

You have tunnel vision, you pick out everytime Gagner loses a puck battle, but you choose to ignore when he wins em....and he does win em. Pretty much every player in the league loses puck battles, especially the smaller players. It's not exclusive to Gagner...it happens in the league every night and it happens to great players.

You couldn't be more wrong about the level that Gagner does, can and will be able to play at.

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