The Point is Moot!

Lowetide
April 15 2011 07:42AM

It's fun to ponder which of the Oilers rookies had the best season, and to ask which of them will have the better career. A better question might be "can these kids help the Oilers win the Stanley in the next decade?"

If we take each rookie (just the ones who qualify as rookies, let's not get ahead of ourselves with small sample sizes) and ask the question, it becomes clear just how many holes have/may have been filled during this long, dreary (and unending, apparently) winter.

  1. Will the Oilers be able to count on Taylor Hall to deliver quality on the top line? No need to shake the big 8-ball on this question, Hall showed flashes of elite-level talent during the season and delivered 22 goals in a shortened year. It's best not to project too far into the future, but a reasonable progression year over year has Hall north of 30 goals in 11-12. And he's still a teenager.
  2. Will the Oilers be able to count on Jordan Eberle as a 2-way player on a quality team? Of all the 10-11 rookies, Eberle showed beyond expectations. Smart player, quick hands and a hard worker. I think he might end up playing center, but even if Eberle doesn't change position he has all of the skills required to be a complete player.
  3. Can Magnus Pääjärvi find an effective role in the top 9? The 8-ball doesn't come back completely convinced about his offense, but the young man is much better without the puck than what you expect from a rookie. It didn't show up as much in the stats as we'd like (he appears to have been playing in some bad puck luck when on the Gagner-Omark line) but Pääjärvi's natural instincts have him leaving the zone early and playing middle linebacker at the slightest hint of trouble. If his offense doesn't come (MP wasn't among the top flight offensive rookies like the two men above) the Oilers will have a quality checker with size and an idea about defense. That's a useful player.
  4. Can Linus Omark play in the top 6F? Omark's season is a little bit of a riddle, as he has some mixed up math in his resume. By eye he's remarkable with the puck, tough to knock it away from and capable of stickhandling in a phone booth. However, he's generally out of position and on the wrong side of the puck when it's turned over, so I'd guess he'll be a one dimensional offensive player who can quarterback the powerplay. You can't have too many of these guys, but if he can stay in the league and learn on the job Omark might end up being an integral part of a contending team. He's certainly talented enough to survive, but because of size bias he'll need a little luck to stay. Teams often flush these player types as soon as they slump, and everyone slumps.
  5. Can Jeff Petry play a prominent role on a championship team? Petry has an exceptional skill set: size, mobility, intelligence, quality head-man passing ability and he can help on the powerplay. I don't think Petry will play the heart of his career as an Oiler. Why? Oiler fans aren't fond of "finesse defensemen" and sooner or later he's going to pass up an opportunity to make a hit or make a coverage error that looks obvious on television. Fans turn on these guys, we have decades of proof in this regard. Want to know Petry's future in Edmonton? Ask Tom Gilbert. I don't think he'll be here when the team is contending for the Stanley. Too bad, I think he's an exceptional talent.
  6. Can Devan Dubnyk backstop a championship team? As with all of these questions, we're not going to know the answer for awhile. However, Dubnyk's rookie season was good. Really good. He went 12-13-8 on a horrible team, and his GAA (2.71) towers over Super Bowl Sunday's. His .916SP ranked third among rookies and in a tie for 18th among all qualifying goalers in the NHL. If he can build on that impressive season--winning 12 games for the Sisters of the Poor orphanage team--Devan Dubnyk is going to have a career.

Next season won't be as plentiful for Oiler rookies. Teemu Hartikainen would appear to be a strong candidate and a couple of defensemen (Plante, Teubert) may also qualify. No worries, as this year's crop has quality and quantity. If the fans can get out of their own way re:Petry, maybe there's even a defenseman in the group.

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#1 BaconWrapped
April 15 2011, 07:55AM
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Keep these coming LT, love them. Any thoughts on Paajarvi moving to centre?

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#2 5cups7years
April 15 2011, 07:57AM
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I dont get the hate on Paajarvi's offense. 34 points in a rookie season is nothing to bark at, especially for a forward who is good defensively. I belive alot of you ON writers pegged him to score around this level as well.

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#3 Woodguy
April 15 2011, 08:05AM
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"Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo" -Joey Tribbiani

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#4 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 15 2011, 08:14AM
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I agree with your take on Petry, said the same thing 4 -6 months ago when everyone had him penciled in above Gilbert for next year.

I'll be suprised if he's here for the 2015 season.

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#5 The Real Scuba Steve
April 15 2011, 08:22AM
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They need also to sign some proven free agents.

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#6 Woodguy
April 15 2011, 08:23AM
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I'd guess he'll be a one dimensional offensive player who can quarterback the powerplay. You can't have too many of these guys

Really? I thought a good team maxed out at 1 or 2.

Gotta play the other side of the puck in the NHL. Omark is smart enough to get it, but does he want to?

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#7 Maestro8
April 15 2011, 08:30AM
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LT good read/analysis.

However, I don't get how the fans should have any say on what we should do with our players. Especially in the case of Petry. Yes he might be a "finesse defensemen", but I think there is a role for that on this team. The Oilers can't have all hardnose, stay at home defensemen. They need a good mix. And if Petry is putting up points and making smart offensive and defensive decisions then, not just the fans, but the important people (Renney, ST) will appreciate what he offers and keep him around. In the end, it shouldn't matter what we all think as long as he is doing what the coaches want and is progressing! And comparing Gilbert to Petry is not really fair either. Gilbert has gotten it from the fans because, not that he is considered a "finesse defensemen" but because he can be soft defensively and doesn't always make the best decisions defensively with his coverage. Those are 2 huge holes in his game, and that is why the fans give it to him. But again, does it really matter what we think, not if Renney is happy. Leave the rough stuff, stay at home defense to Vandermeer, Peckham and Smid, and I'd take Petry's offense potential and ride it!

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#8 aaron
April 15 2011, 08:32AM
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Woodguy wrote:

I'd guess he'll be a one dimensional offensive player who can quarterback the powerplay. You can't have too many of these guys

Really? I thought a good team maxed out at 1 or 2.

Gotta play the other side of the puck in the NHL. Omark is smart enough to get it, but does he want to?

That's the way I read it at first as well, but I think LT means "You shouldn't have too many of these guys" , or "You can't have too many guys like this if you want to win"

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#9 jaicee
April 15 2011, 08:38AM
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One thing that botheres me is that I've heard people rag on Hartikainen. I LOVE that guy! He is jacques... with skill. Isn't that what we need on a 4th line?

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#10 aaron
April 15 2011, 08:39AM
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@Maestro8

Yeah, I hope Petry settles into a role more quickly and easily than Gilbert has. Part of why Gilbert gets dumped on is he's been playing top pair mins due to injuries, and also the past several years we've had other non-gritty types like Grebs, Vis, and Chorney adding to the kleenex-like texture of our D. If Smid stays, Peckham develops, Marincin with a mean streak comes along, and one of Teubert or Plante makes it eventually, Petry's finesse game will be a necessary element in a balanced unit.

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#11 jbh
April 15 2011, 08:45AM
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I thought Petry had a pretty good rookie season.To my eye he plays quite a bit more physical then it might seem.(I think he was the guy who flattened Tootoo with a nice open ice hit)He still makes rookie mistakes but I like the "lack of panic" in his own end.My guess would be if he continues to develop he will be here long after Omark is gone.

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#12 admiralmark
April 15 2011, 08:49AM
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The problem with the relationship with Gilbert and the fans is that he has been playing on a 30th place team, playing in a role above his skillset(slightly), and surrounded by other D-men playing in roles above their skillset.

Once this team starts winning and we start injecting a bonafide 1st pairing D-man and 2nd pairing d-men to compliment Gilbert and Petry... These two players can thrive...and fans will see the light. Well thats best case scenario... but possible. Its up to Tambi to make it happen before its too late.

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#13 Ryan2
April 15 2011, 08:51AM
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@ LT - I think the difference between Petry and other finesse guys (Gilbert, Poti, heck even Brewer was considered too soft by many, etc.) that the team has had recently is that he can hold his own defensively. He might not be physical, but he uses his stick effectively and skates well enough to make up for some mistakes. They just need to pair him with a banger (Peckham or Spazz-lite/Smid) to compensate for that.

What impresses me the most about Petry is his patience and awareness with the puck. Even in his first game up with the big boys you could see that he was a step above any of the other d-men on the team with his poise with the puck. He has that ability to both move it up quickly or hold onto it until the last second to allow the forwards to create separation for a pass. It was actually very funny watching a rookie in his first game make the right play with the puck while Foster (3 cough ups where he chose the wrong outlet/dumped it into the neutral zone WHILE his forwards were changing), Gilbert (Mr. Hesitation - I stopped counting at 3 hesitations that made him miss a winger wide with speed in the netural zone before stopping to count), and the other d-men bumbled around with the puck.

FWIW, I think the issue with Gilbert is that his game has plateaued offensively. He showed more offensive promise in his first two seasons, but has not delivered on that. Part of it is the lack of talent the team has down the middle (this hampers all of the d-men on d-zone coverage) and on the blue line. This is the biggest issue on the team - Whitney is not a top 10 d-man in the NHL, but look how much better he made everyone look when partnered with them. That speaks volumes about how bad the Oilers defence really is.

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#14 Reality Check to the head
April 15 2011, 08:53AM
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@ The Real Scuba Steve

We have trouble signing proven free agents at the best of times, what makes you think that will change after back to back 30th place finishes? Putting any hope into big signings is a mistake, at least until the promise this team is showing starts to show on the ice.

Also, when (not if) the team leaves rexall to their new digs, players may be more interested in coming here.

Edmonton may have to try and take chances on signing underachieving players or players that have potential to have a breakout year (basically flyers).

Just some thoughts.

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#15 Zarf
April 15 2011, 09:00AM
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Lowetide (and anyone else in particular), I think a bigger question must be asked: Who amongst this group do we need to worry about suffering through the dreaded “Sophomore slump?”

I don't think asking that question means I'm being cynical or pessimistic about things. But the fact of the matter is, a lot of the hotshot rookies in the NHL take a step backwards in their second year. Not all of them, but a lot of them do.

Odds are, it’ll happen to one or more of the Oilers' kids and the team will have to deal with it. The question is who? Which player or players? Any ideas?

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#16 Rick
April 15 2011, 09:03AM
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Woodguy wrote:

I'd guess he'll be a one dimensional offensive player who can quarterback the powerplay. You can't have too many of these guys

Really? I thought a good team maxed out at 1 or 2.

Gotta play the other side of the puck in the NHL. Omark is smart enough to get it, but does he want to?

1 or 2? Who was the last cup winner that had any?

The closest I could see was Cory Stillman and even he went through three organization and 10 years of playing before he clued in enough to help a winning team.

Even then he was cut loose is fairly short order after each of the cup wins which is a statement in iteself of how the team may have valued his contribution to the run.

I can't see Omark fitting into any cup plans on this squad, maybe somewhere else way down the line he will get his chance.

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#17 knee deep in it
April 15 2011, 09:17AM
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if the plan is to play Petry with Whitney, then our 2nd pairing is the troublesome area.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a proven 2nd pairing guy with Gilbert and push everyone else down to their level of comeptence?

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#18 Oilcruzer
April 15 2011, 09:18AM
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Teubert part of future? He was a healthy scratch for game one of the Hammy OKC Series.

(5 - 2 Steeltown)

http://www.okcbarons.com/index.cfm?fa=gamenotes&ra=showarticle&guid=05361bb6-7a02-467a-9c18-e823ecb75096

Edit - JDD crapped the bed and Penalty Trouble. Omark and Ginger plus 1.

http://theahl.com/stats/official-game-report.php?game_id=1008561

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#19 misfit
April 15 2011, 09:18AM
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I don't think we'll see the same kind of backlash on Petry that we did with Gilbert, mostly because he does seem to use his size a little more. He may not end up being a better player (Gilbert is a good one), but he'll certainly have more fans in Edmonton.

The one player I do worry about in that regard is Eberle if he's not a 60+ point player in 2-3 years. You don't have to look too far to find an example of this in Sam Gagner.

Undersized, high scoring junior who wasn't a great skater put up 0.62 P/G (mostly at RW) as an NHL rookie. Celebrated for his intelligence, hockey IQ, soft hands, and his performance with Team Canada at the superseries. Doesn't sound a whole lot different than our man Eberle, only he was 18 at the time, not 21.

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#20 smiliegirl15
April 15 2011, 09:24AM
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You can't have too many of these guys, but if he can stay in the league and learn on the job...

Please read for comprehension - you can't have too many players like this on your team so he's going to have to learn on the job to stay in the league (as aaron pointed out).

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#21 book¡e
April 15 2011, 09:30AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Teubert part of future? He was a healthy scratch for game one of the Hammy OKC Series.

(5 - 2 Steeltown)

http://www.okcbarons.com/index.cfm?fa=gamenotes&ra=showarticle&guid=05361bb6-7a02-467a-9c18-e823ecb75096

Edit - JDD crapped the bed and Penalty Trouble. Omark and Ginger plus 1.

http://theahl.com/stats/official-game-report.php?game_id=1008561

I am not certain, but I think projecting the future of a young player based upon being sat out for a game might be problematic.

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#22 jooks
April 15 2011, 09:32AM
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LT, your argument that Petry won't be here in a few years implies that the Oilers' management team actually cares about fans' opinions (and would make decisions based on them). I'd argue that would be far from true. For example, calls for Gilbert to be flushed have been loud for at least 3 years and he's still here. I think Petry's presence on the team will depend on his play and his next contract. At least I hope that's what it will depend on...I wouldn't want to suggest all Tambo's moves are well thought out and make sense...

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#23 Pronger's Wife
April 15 2011, 09:34AM
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Interesting article. Eberle at centre is certainly an intriguing thought. If any one of the big three rookies could effectively move to centre, would that not leave Landeskog as a logical choice for #1 overall? Gritty with size and already some proven leadership qualities. Could probably slide into the line-up next year.

Any chance Oilers trading #1 pick to Boston for Seguin? Boston may want a Larsen or Landeskog instead of the centre. Oilers would get their first line centre with (parts of) a NHL year under his belt already. Could potentially be a win-win for both clubs.

Also, for anyone saying that Hemsky should be packaged in a deal with the LA pick to move up in the draft should remember that Hemsky just had surgery. Nobody is going to trade for him until they see him play some next season. He’s got too much wire and glue holding him together at this point for teams to take a risk on.

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#24 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 15 2011, 09:41AM
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jooks wrote:

LT, your argument that Petry won't be here in a few years implies that the Oilers' management team actually cares about fans' opinions (and would make decisions based on them). I'd argue that would be far from true. For example, calls for Gilbert to be flushed have been loud for at least 3 years and he's still here. I think Petry's presence on the team will depend on his play and his next contract. At least I hope that's what it will depend on...I wouldn't want to suggest all Tambo's moves are well thought out and make sense...

I don't know, most of the whipping boys of the last 5 years were shipped away (alot of them to the detriment of the team)

Staios/Moreau/Torres/Stoll/Reasoner/Lupul

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#25 geoilersgist
April 15 2011, 09:45AM
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I find it hard to compare Eberle to Gagner. Eberle is more of a sure thing from what I see. When was the last time you saw Gagner get any kind of attention from team Canada?

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#26 Quintana
April 15 2011, 09:49AM
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Pronger's Wife wrote:

Interesting article. Eberle at centre is certainly an intriguing thought. If any one of the big three rookies could effectively move to centre, would that not leave Landeskog as a logical choice for #1 overall? Gritty with size and already some proven leadership qualities. Could probably slide into the line-up next year.

Any chance Oilers trading #1 pick to Boston for Seguin? Boston may want a Larsen or Landeskog instead of the centre. Oilers would get their first line centre with (parts of) a NHL year under his belt already. Could potentially be a win-win for both clubs.

Also, for anyone saying that Hemsky should be packaged in a deal with the LA pick to move up in the draft should remember that Hemsky just had surgery. Nobody is going to trade for him until they see him play some next season. He’s got too much wire and glue holding him together at this point for teams to take a risk on.

Stop with the Hemsky trades , Hemmer is going to sign here for 4-5 years 5M/year...I'm all for getting Seguin with that #1 pick and try to move up with the L.A pick.....my 2 cents...

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#27 sammy
April 15 2011, 09:55AM
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@misfit

Very good point. Sometimes I think oiler fans, myself included forget that Eberle and Gagner are very close in age. We often like to jump on Gagner for his lack of production eventhough he finished just 1 lonely point behind Ebbs this season. Not too sure that Eberle will go through the same problem though as he will likely be playing alongside Hall for the most part, his numbers will be helped significantly by #4. I also think Eberle will be given a little more slack from the fans due to his popularity earned at the WJ's.

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#28 EasyOil
April 15 2011, 09:56AM
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Great read as usual LT, and interesting thoughts on the long term futures of these guys.

To be honest, even though it will obviously be the case that not all these guys wind up staying with the team long term, I really can see each of these as having the potential to be key contributors to a future Oilers championship team, with almost everything you could want (potentially, which after all and as usual, is all we're really talking about - if only it were a sure thing!):

1) Eberle and Paajarvi both have good defensive instincts, and even Hall showed he was at least willing to learn that side of things, proving that none of the big 3 are slouches defensively. Omark is gritty and a fighter, which imo makes up for his one dimensional play.

2) Paajarvi and Hall are speed demons, who can make opposing teams back off, allowing more room to make plays. Eberle and Omark are quick but more in the sense of agility, in that they slip around players (useful because of their size).

3) Paajarvi and Hall have size, and won't get pushed around, whilst Omark plays like he's a foot taller and Eberle is so smart and agile he has the ability to avoid a lot of hits (Torres excluded).

4) All the big 3 can score, and all the big 3 can pass - versatility - no pass-first playmakers or shoot-first snipers, meaning more offensive options. Hall might be known as a puck-hog, but what I saw of him this year showed he was just as willing to find a team-mate as he was to score himself.

5) Petry looks to be a beauty and a keeper, and whilst I do fear the fans turning on him as they did Gilbert, he does seem a little more physical than Gilbert (by what I've seen and read at least). Been waiting for this kid for a looooong time, and he's been worth the wait. Smart as heck.

6) Haarski will be the Smyth-esque heart and soul of this team; I don't care if he tops out as a 20/30 point a year guy (I see him being a consistent 40 point guy though), if and when he makes the show full time, he should be with the team long-term (if only as the Finnish lucky charm!). Fearless, strong as a bull, smart, skating not an issue as previously thought. As Neal Livingston at C&B said, as Hartikainen goes, so his team goes.

7) If one of Teubert or Plante (or both) can become the dependable, tough shut-down player to join Smid and Peckham, the Oilers will not be fun to play against.

8) Dubnyk is at the very least a quality, dependable backup, and lord knows you need one of those. Nothing to be worried about if thats how he tops out, but I see him as maybe a strong part of a goal-tending tandem (a la Roloson and Fernandez in Minnesota).

To me, those are a lot of the key parts of a future championship team, and all have/are coming up through our system - homegrown talent. We still need a lot of pieces and luck to break right, but I have to say I can at the very least see this team being VERY competitive down the road.

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#29 jooks
April 15 2011, 10:03AM
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@ OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F Well fans' opinions may end up aligning with management's decisions, but again I just doubt they give a hoot about our opinion. In their minds, they're the professionals/experts, and as such they will not poll the fans. It a business, not a democracy. To be honest I dunno how much I'd respect them if they made decision based on what we think since they get paid to know more about hockey than me.

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#30 Ender
April 15 2011, 10:10AM
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Pronger's Wife wrote:

Any chance Oilers trading #1 pick to Boston for Seguin? Boston may want a Larsen or Landeskog instead of the centre. Oilers would get their first line centre with (parts of) a NHL year under his belt already. Could potentially be a win-win for both clubs.

While many of us would cut off something we're quite attached to in order to get that trade done, there's no way Boston does that deal. If they really wanted to dicker like that, they could have put something simple together last year that would have had Hall as a Bruin. Neither Larsson nor Landeskog comes with the same fanfare that Seguin had, and thus the Oilers would need to sweeten the pot far beyond what would be prudent before Boston would deign to take a sniff. In short, it's a nice thought but it ain't gonna happen.

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#31 They're $hittie
April 15 2011, 10:35AM
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sammy wrote:

Very good point. Sometimes I think oiler fans, myself included forget that Eberle and Gagner are very close in age. We often like to jump on Gagner for his lack of production eventhough he finished just 1 lonely point behind Ebbs this season. Not too sure that Eberle will go through the same problem though as he will likely be playing alongside Hall for the most part, his numbers will be helped significantly by #4. I also think Eberle will be given a little more slack from the fans due to his popularity earned at the WJ's.

agreed, everyone expected a high and quick develppment plan on gagner because of his lone jr year, the super series and outstanding rookie year. Eberle gets slack because of how bad the team is this year.

I think these two players can really compliment each other.

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#32 They're $hittie
April 15 2011, 10:39AM
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While i do think eberle is good defensively and is going to be a great all around player, it wasnt until we took him off the penalty kill that the numbers got better, (and our shorthanded goals went down).

Tough situation for a rookie. Leave that for the veterans.

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#33 BarryS
April 15 2011, 10:58AM
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Ender wrote:

Pronger's Wife wrote:

Any chance Oilers trading #1 pick to Boston for Seguin? Boston may want a Larsen or Landeskog instead of the centre. Oilers would get their first line centre with (parts of) a NHL year under his belt already. Could potentially be a win-win for both clubs.

While many of us would cut off something we're quite attached to in order to get that trade done, there's no way Boston does that deal. If they really wanted to dicker like that, they could have put something simple together last year that would have had Hall as a Bruin. Neither Larsson nor Landeskog comes with the same fanfare that Seguin had, and thus the Oilers would need to sweeten the pot far beyond what would be prudent before Boston would deign to take a sniff. In short, it's a nice thought but it ain't gonna happen.

The Bruins are in real trouble at center at the moment and Sequin is where?

Come on folks, get over it, Sequin is yeterdays news.

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#34 Quicksilver ballet
April 15 2011, 11:23AM
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@Zarf

I don't feel this sophomore slump applies to these Oiler kids. In order for this to occur they need teammates to realize more on ice success than they may enjoy next year. There's nobody else going on this club to compare them to. With injuries (Horc,Hemsky and Whitney play lass than half a season each) and the minutes these kids will receive next year, there's no room for a sophomore slump. These kids will impose their will even more next year with the minutes they receive. With little/no new blood next season Hall adds 25 pts to last years totals and Eberle adds 20 to his totals to go with a 27th place finish.

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#35 Milli
April 15 2011, 11:32AM
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BarryS wrote:

The Bruins are in real trouble at center at the moment and Sequin is where?

Come on folks, get over it, Sequin is yeterdays news.

Sorry Barry, but where is Seguin? Is he scratched, because I didn't notice him in game 1.

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#36 Team Centerman
April 15 2011, 11:33AM
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A lesson for Oilerfans: The 2 reasons Chicago will lose this series to Van: Campbell and Hossa. Both UFA signing to ridiculous contracts and costing the team all its depth - Buff, Versteeg, Ladd and Barker could probably fit into their contracts. And the Hawks would probably win. No big game hunting, ever. Period.

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#37 Jon
April 15 2011, 11:34AM
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I don't see the comparision between Gilbert and Petry. Gilbert is not hated on for coverage errors. The majority of the casual fans see lack of hits, and giveaways. While having the same overall general style of defending, Petry goes for the hit more often and is not as prone to the 5-star giveaways that everyone notices. Even if they get the same results done at the end of the day, those 2 factors will keep Petry in the public's good books.

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#38 madjam
April 15 2011, 11:53AM
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Oilers need to employ special teams to compete with the other teams in our own division and others . If we don't address that disparity with our size( also a major problem ) we can draft " till the cows come home" and never have an upper eschilon team again for another decade . Those types of players should be available to us at a reasonable cost in the marketplace . Special teams are killing us now , and are doing little to help develop our culture, team or youth at this stage ! That should be our priority this off season , and also who and what we draft this year . Does Tams have a better idea ? I doubt it .

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#39 They're $hittie
April 15 2011, 11:55AM
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Team Centerman wrote:

A lesson for Oilerfans: The 2 reasons Chicago will lose this series to Van: Campbell and Hossa. Both UFA signing to ridiculous contracts and costing the team all its depth - Buff, Versteeg, Ladd and Barker could probably fit into their contracts. And the Hawks would probably win. No big game hunting, ever. Period.

YES YES YES YES! Somebody else sees this. While hossa is not that ad of a contract he could have been a little cheaper. Was he really the reason that the got to the top in the playoffs. I dont think so. but all those depth players definetly were. IF we get to this level, please tambo do not do something stupid like Campbell 7.1 M or what ever stupid contract this was.

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#40 brodie
April 15 2011, 11:58AM
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Ender wrote:

Pronger's Wife wrote:

Any chance Oilers trading #1 pick to Boston for Seguin? Boston may want a Larsen or Landeskog instead of the centre. Oilers would get their first line centre with (parts of) a NHL year under his belt already. Could potentially be a win-win for both clubs.

While many of us would cut off something we're quite attached to in order to get that trade done, there's no way Boston does that deal. If they really wanted to dicker like that, they could have put something simple together last year that would have had Hall as a Bruin. Neither Larsson nor Landeskog comes with the same fanfare that Seguin had, and thus the Oilers would need to sweeten the pot far beyond what would be prudent before Boston would deign to take a sniff. In short, it's a nice thought but it ain't gonna happen.

I like the way you use "dicker" in the second sentence after saying "would cut off something we're quite attached to" in the first. Was that intentional.

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#41 Dan the Man
April 15 2011, 12:01PM
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I don't understand why people get on finesse guys like Gilbert to be more physical but they don't get on physical guys like Peckham to put up more offense?

Not every D-Man is good at everything.

Fans only realize valuable guys like Gilbert and Petry are once they are no longer here.

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#42 They're $hittie
April 15 2011, 12:15PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

I don't understand why people get on finesse guys like Gilbert to be more physical but they don't get on physical guys like Peckham to put up more offense?

Not every D-Man is good at everything.

Fans only realize valuable guys like Gilbert and Petry are once they are no longer here.

Peckhams cap hit isnt over 4 million. I dont get on Gilbert because of lack of hitting, I get on him because he has the worst Goals against per 60 on the team, and he is paid to put up 45 points of offence in which he does not.

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#43 Oilcruzer
April 15 2011, 12:15PM
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book¡e wrote:

I am not certain, but I think projecting the future of a young player based upon being sat out for a game might be problematic.

Yes, you may be right.

On the other hand, when the going gets tough, and it's the very first battle, and you want your best combatants to fight for your holy grail, would you sit out your key combatants or would you sit out the lazy, disinterested kid?

Of course, maybe he's injured and we don't know it.

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#44 Owen
April 15 2011, 12:18PM
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@misfit

Big difference between Gagner and Eberle is Gagner is weak and gets pushed off the puck, Eberle does not and often comes up with the puck off the boards...also Eberle's shot is much better then Gagner's...Gagner and Eberle are a poor comparison, they are different players and Eberle has much better skills in my opinion.

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#45 9 Inches Uncut
April 15 2011, 12:20PM
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It would be a shame if Taylor Hall's name isn't on the cup at some point in his career.

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#46 BarryS
April 15 2011, 12:24PM
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Milli wrote:

Sorry Barry, but where is Seguin? Is he scratched, because I didn't notice him in game 1.

Must have been because he didn'y play.

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#47 Zarf
April 15 2011, 12:46PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I don't feel this sophomore slump applies to these Oiler kids. In order for this to occur they need teammates to realize more on ice success than they may enjoy next year. There's nobody else going on this club to compare them to. With injuries (Horc,Hemsky and Whitney play lass than half a season each) and the minutes these kids will receive next year, there's no room for a sophomore slump. These kids will impose their will even more next year with the minutes they receive. With little/no new blood next season Hall adds 25 pts to last years totals and Eberle adds 20 to his totals to go with a 27th place finish.

Your guess is as good as mine, Quicksilver, but I'm not sure if I agree with you.

Actually, to be more precise, I'm not sure if I agree that ice time will be their remedy against any possible onset of the sophomore slump.

Yeah, they could end up playing a lot if all or some of the usual suspects get hurt again, but that doesn't mean that they won't hit the dreaded slump.

That said, it's also entirely possible that none of them will get the slump. They'll all train hard during the summer, build some strength and come to camp even fitter and wiser than they were last year.

But I'm still worried.

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#48 Team Centerman
April 15 2011, 12:48PM
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@ Dan the Man Great point. Agree with you 100%. The problem on our backend? Too many thoroughbreds and not enough Clydesdales. You put 2 more Peckhams on that back end and all of a sudden we have no problem with Gilby's puck-moving ability. Not every defenseman is Chris Pronger and can do everything.

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#49 Team Centerman
April 15 2011, 12:50PM
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Remember a few years ago when we had Smith, and Staios, and the rest of our plugs who would hit like crazy and then rim the puck around the boards? We were all crying for a puckmovingdefenseman, or PMD. The scales have tilted the other way now. We need a Staois and Smith again to balance it out.

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#50 ray
April 15 2011, 01:43PM
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hey lowetide.....you gotta be joking about Tom Gilbert..this guy is a defensive liability!!!Do you not watch games and see how he panics in his own zone? With his size he should at least be able to squeeze opponents into the boards! He is totally UNRELIABLE!!!

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