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Lowetide
April 09 2011 07:50AM

When Edmonton Oiler fans talk about adding "grit" or "crust" these days, it's almost exclusively in regard to the skill lines. The club has all kinds of role players who can crash and bang but as the JF Jacques experiment a year ago showed us, "hands" are a vital part of the package. It's early, but it looks like the Oilers may have uncovered a gem deep in the heart of Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor's first draft as scouting director.

The 2008 Entry draft wasn't shaping up exceptionally well for the Edmonton Oilers. The team was without a 2nd round pick and the asking price to trade into the round was dear; the club waited patiently from #22 (Jordan Eberle) to #103 (Johan Motin) but that wasn't their ideal scenario. In order to get anything out of the draft (outside the first round) the Oilers would have to bank on Motin or hit a surprise big fly in later rounds.

Which is damn near impossible, Here are the current NHL games played (10 or more) for all 2008 draftees outside the top 100 selections:

  1. D Jason Demers (SHS 186th OV) 125 NHL GP
  2. L Matt Martin (NYI 148 OV) 72 NHL GP
  3. D Jared Spurgeon (NYI 156th OV) 52 NHL GP
  4. C James Wright (TBAY 117 OV) 49 NHL GP
  5. L Matt Calvert (CBS 127 OV) 41 NHL GP
  6. G Anders Lindback (NAS 207 OV) 22 NHL GP
  7. C Andrei Loktionov (LAK 123 OV) 20 NHL GP
  8. C Mark Olver (COL 140 OV) 17 NHL GP
  9. L Teemu Hartikainen (EDM 163 OV) 11 NHL GP
  10. R Dale Wiese (NYR 111 OV) 10 NHL GP

NHL scouts are smart buggers, they really are. An enormous percentage (historically) of the really good NHL players from a given year are selected inside the top 100 every year. When you take in account how much projection is required, NHL teams are well rewarded for their investment in the grey hair's who make up the scouting community. In 2008, there were 111 selections after the 100th overal pick, and 10 of them have played 10 games or more. Finding someone useful with the 163rd overall pick is a feather in the cap of any drafting team. The fact that Hartikainen looks like he can play with the skilled men is an exceptional feat, as many of the kids taken in the later rounds fit the Matt Martin skill set in terms of scouting report. From that list, I'd guess that Spurgeon, Calvert, Loktionov and Hartikainen are the most promising skaters and that the goalie Lindback may also be something. 

The key for the Oilers is that Hartikainen might be that rare player who can keep up with the skilled men, take and make a pass on the fly, add a physical element to every shift that keeps the opposition's heads up, makes certain the play doesn't die in the corner with an Oildrop logo laying prone on the ice  and soft hands to convert those cherry passes from the skilled players.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers at the NHL level have been in a Groundhog's Day scenario on the skill lines. Beauty stick handlers who aren't strong on the puck or get beaten up because of their style of play, with no answer save for a big brute the coach can put on the ice after the important moments of the game are in the history books.

Hey, we can't put too much pressure on Hartikainen, he's still learning the speed and scope of the NHL game and he certainly has some skating issues. Hell, he might not make the team in the fall, we should be prepared to see him struggle in training camp (it's one thing to get called up, quite another to win the day--ask Linis Omark). However, Hartikainen is a rare item on the Oilers prospect horizon: a big, strong, gritty forward with hands.

Stu MacGregor, you magnificent bastard. Again.

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#1 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
April 09 2011, 08:05AM
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Teemu FISTikainen FTW!

Hey, LT, any chance of getting Stu on the show? There aren't many times a franchise will draft FIST overall, so these are exciting times. Would love to hear that man speak for an entire segment.

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#3 Matt Henderson
April 09 2011, 08:52AM
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Teemu has been very impressive IMO. His skating is pretty laboured but it hasn't hurt him too bad yet. No reason why he can't earn a spot on the 4th next year, but I foresee an Omark scenario as being most likely.

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#4 Golden Moment
April 09 2011, 09:00AM
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Excellent article Lowetide.

As for having Stu on your show - yes! However, not before the Draft. I would hate for one of the other NHL teams to glean something of value from his comments.

After the Draft - a must listen to program.

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#5 Oilcruzer
April 09 2011, 09:06AM
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Hartikainen was an amazing pick. I will bet every scouting report junior said poor skater, and he dropped.

If he can do everything else, and there is no saying he can't, he could be a steal of a gem.

Bud Ryan was an amazing defensive coach. As a Head coach he cut Chris Carter because "all Chris Carter does is catch touchdown passes.". He cut Henry Gizmo Williams who was seeking the return specialist position. "If he drops one, he's gone." Buddy said.

Stupid coaching decisions got him fired. Renney appears to be the antithesis. He recognizes that players need to feel they are being given a fair shake, and that there's no dangling sword if they make one mistake.

A guy like Stu works well if the coach and managers don't have egos that get in the way. There was a lot of that in past years. Now, players will see that Edmonton supports development, and if you don't make it, it isn't political.

Jones got his first fair shake. He ran with it. Cogliano developed into the dependable, situational centre. Magnus, Jordan, Taylor have devloped nicely. Other kids are shifting gears and making a case for being the incumbent, not the player trying to knock the incumbent off...Petry, Omark, maybe Chorney.

This is product of an entire system that supports development.

O'Marra, JFJ, Stortini, and Reddox must see the writing on the wall. They have been given every chance, and then some. Now there's a crop of graduates coming next year. Management will also trade for, or find low priced FAs to plug holes in lineup that these 4 couldn't. It's like the old blue eyes song says...

..."If I can't make it here, I can't make it anywhere!"

(or something like that)

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#6 Clarkenstein
April 09 2011, 09:30AM
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I like Hartikainen. Anybody with the name Teemu is a winner. I also like that you have two pictures of pussy in todays story.

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#7 RoundEdge
April 09 2011, 09:52AM
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I thought I read somewhere KP had something to do with taking this kid as well?

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#8 Chris.
April 09 2011, 09:54AM
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I don't think Hartikainen skates much worse than Sam Gagner.

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#10 a lg dubl dubl
April 09 2011, 10:01AM
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After watching the likes of Omarra JFJ and Reddox play out the season IMO i dont see them coming back next season, they've all had a fair chance to make the team on a full time basis over the last few yrs and couldnt get it done. Unless ST makes a few moves i see the bottom 6 like this

3rd line Hartikinen-Cogs-Brule

4th line SMac-VV-Jones

Jones and Hartikinen swapping spots as needed

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#11 andrewmk20
April 09 2011, 10:01AM
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the thing that's impressed me with Teemu is his hockey sense/intelligence. He continually makes good plays with the puck and positions himself well away from the puck so that teammates have passing lanes to him. skating is something he can work on. but intelligence cannot be developed and knowing how to play away from the puck is a much tougher thing to develop at this level.

also on a sidenote. good for macintyre. he finally just got fed up with the cowards who won't face him and sent a message through brad staubitz.

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#12 Oilfan14
April 09 2011, 10:25AM
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I know this is off topic but I had to share this. Here are a couple of quotes today from Matthew Barry's blog at HockeyBuzz.com regarding the Kings game last night.

"But in the 2nd, the Finnish Flash, at age 40, who has more heart in the tip of his penis than Dustin Penner does in his entire 245 pounds took a rebound and roofed it over Quick to tie the game."

"The Trade We’ll Live to Regret, Dustin Penner sucks. I mean, he SUCKS. 11 games without a POINT. When the Kings need players to step up in the absence of their two best players and this guy has ZERO points? I’d say ship his ass to Edmonton, but he’s already been there."

The Dustin Penner trade is looking good right now!

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#13 madjam
April 09 2011, 10:51AM
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I'd like to see this year , the Oilers packaging some size questionable players for upgrades in size ,talent and physical play . We have only 3 i see as untouchables at this stage - Hemsky , Hall and Paajarvi . This years first pick should also be an untouchable unless we take a risk on RNHopkins which could turn out to be a risk that he might not develop physically enough to fit in down the line .

I'd like to see the Oilers latch onto D.Perron from ST.Louis . I think this kid could turn out to be the next J.Beliveau .

Most positions, unfortuneately , we could use an upgrade from this season if we want to become a contender anytime soon .

Next season we will probably have a rash of sophomor jinxes similiar to what Colorado has gone thru this year . Time to load up on a decent upgraded NHL core for upcoming season to prevent most of that from happening !

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#14 Dan the Man
April 09 2011, 11:09AM
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I have no doubt that the Oilers will have Teemu working with Steve Serdachny over the summer so his skating will improve.

Also the title of the article made me think of Silence of the Lambs...

"We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want?"

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#15 Shane
April 09 2011, 11:43AM
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Hey LT, who's all eligible to play for OKC, wouldn't it be sweet if we could stack that team for a playoff run with Eberle, Hall(injured) ,Omark, Pajaarvi, Petry etc.. Not sure what the rules are on that one

Also what of the guys that are done in junior (I know they'll need contracts first) Hamilton, Martindale etc

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#16 FastOil
April 09 2011, 12:09PM
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I think Stu's genius is in drafting more players that physically fit what the team wants to become. And players that have more aspects to their game.

They do still waste picks on players that have almost zero chance of being effective NHL'ers, and I hope that stops. Pelss, Abney etc. Way too small or pylonic.

Most dominant NHL'ers have good size, most have good mobility. There are a few exceptions, but gambling on that is not going to pay very often and isn't worth it.

I am sure some are thinking what about Omark? He is an interesting player, but I think it's a stretch to say he'll be a dominant player, which is what they should be looking for. For .5 PPG I would rather have a 2 way player with physical presence. A contending team has to be an outscoring team. If you're top 6 is small, the bottom 6 can't be.

For a potential 3rd or 4th liner to need to improve skating is one thing, like Harti, if the other traits are there. I feel all D should be mobile, especially the way the game is heading. The days of giant slow D are fading if they are going to call head shots and obstruction.

First or second line prospects, or the top 3-4 D, should not have glaring weaknesses if you want to build a contending team. They can't be one or two dimensional players, which the Oilers have liked a little too much. They should only need time to adjust to the game at the NHL level, not learn how to play the game fully or how to skate.

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#17 brodie
April 09 2011, 12:14PM
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Here are three UFA's I would like to see the Oilers make an offer to if they're not resigned by their current teams.

1. James Wisniewski defenseman. He is currently second in scoring on the Montreal Canadiens and could share the load offensively with Ryan Whitney. Will be 27 when season starts.

2. Shane O'Brien defensman. He's 6'3" 230 lbs. and could be our shutdown defenseman. Has averaged 17 minutes per game with Nashville despite playing behind Weber, Suter, Franson and Klein. Plays a tough game as his penalty minutes show. Will be 28 when season starts.

3. Ville Leino left wing. He would fit in as our second line left winger. Currently has 52 points with Philadelphia including 19 goals. He's listed as 6'1" 190 which would be a nice upgrade to our size at forward. Will be 28 when season starts.

These players would fit in nicely with our young players and would give the team some stability and depth.

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#18 Jonathan Willis
April 09 2011, 12:41PM
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@Oilfan14

Well, gosh, when a 'writer' with Hockey Buzz who throws around phrases like 'tip of his penis' and uses CAPITAL LETTERS to emphasize his points determines something, we can pretty much end the debate.

Edit to add: Not that Penner's been good in L.A., but those are probably the worst quotes you could possibly find to support the point.

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#19 Becky
April 09 2011, 12:48PM
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I don't usually comment but I heard on the Team 1260 - I can't remember but I'm pretty sure it was Stauffer (if not, it was Gregor) - that while it was Stu's first draft, Kevin Prendergast was the one who demanded that the team take Teemu.

I'm as big a fan of anyone as the Magnificent Bastard but on this one if that is the case, we should all give credit where credit is due.

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#20 D
April 09 2011, 01:16PM
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Chris. wrote:

I don't think Hartikainen skates much worse than Sam Gagner.

Hartikainen's skating kind of reminds me of John Tonelli's. John's career didn't turn out too badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVgYvifLBLU&feature=fvwrel

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#21 The Beaker
April 09 2011, 01:17PM
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@madjam

Hemsky, Hall and Paajarvi? How in the world do you include Hemsky and not Eberle?

And "the Oilers packaging some size questionable players for upgrades in size ,talent and physical play." Wow, just wow.

in other words "lets trade crappy players for good players!!" what insight.

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#22 Wax Man Riley
April 09 2011, 01:34PM
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madjam wrote:

I'd like to see this year , the Oilers packaging some size questionable players for upgrades in size ,talent and physical play . We have only 3 i see as untouchables at this stage - Hemsky , Hall and Paajarvi . This years first pick should also be an untouchable unless we take a risk on RNHopkins which could turn out to be a risk that he might not develop physically enough to fit in down the line .

I'd like to see the Oilers latch onto D.Perron from ST.Louis . I think this kid could turn out to be the next J.Beliveau .

Most positions, unfortuneately , we could use an upgrade from this season if we want to become a contender anytime soon .

Next season we will probably have a rash of sophomor jinxes similiar to what Colorado has gone thru this year . Time to load up on a decent upgraded NHL core for upcoming season to prevent most of that from happening !

It takes 2 though. You would have to find a GM that is willing to take downgrades on the players coming back.

Sure, it sounds good to say "Trade Gagner for a bigger, better skating center", but you need another GM to say "Hey, lets trade our big, talented center for a smaller, less talented center like that Gagner kid"

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#23 Matt Henderson
April 09 2011, 01:35PM
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@madjam

Perron has a better chance of being the next Adam Deadmarsh, not Jean Beliveau.

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#24 Wax Man Riley
April 09 2011, 01:40PM
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brodie wrote:

Here are three UFA's I would like to see the Oilers make an offer to if they're not resigned by their current teams.

1. James Wisniewski defenseman. He is currently second in scoring on the Montreal Canadiens and could share the load offensively with Ryan Whitney. Will be 27 when season starts.

2. Shane O'Brien defensman. He's 6'3" 230 lbs. and could be our shutdown defenseman. Has averaged 17 minutes per game with Nashville despite playing behind Weber, Suter, Franson and Klein. Plays a tough game as his penalty minutes show. Will be 28 when season starts.

3. Ville Leino left wing. He would fit in as our second line left winger. Currently has 52 points with Philadelphia including 19 goals. He's listed as 6'1" 190 which would be a nice upgrade to our size at forward. Will be 28 when season starts.

These players would fit in nicely with our young players and would give the team some stability and depth.

I like Wisniewski a lot, he is in my pool this year, but he hasn't played a full season yet. I didn't look anything up other than games played, but he may have a history of injury.

I like the idea of Leino too. I don't know as much about O'Brien, but from the description.... sign me up.

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#25 Wax Man Riley
April 09 2011, 01:46PM
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FastOil wrote:

I think Stu's genius is in drafting more players that physically fit what the team wants to become. And players that have more aspects to their game.

They do still waste picks on players that have almost zero chance of being effective NHL'ers, and I hope that stops. Pelss, Abney etc. Way too small or pylonic.

Most dominant NHL'ers have good size, most have good mobility. There are a few exceptions, but gambling on that is not going to pay very often and isn't worth it.

I am sure some are thinking what about Omark? He is an interesting player, but I think it's a stretch to say he'll be a dominant player, which is what they should be looking for. For .5 PPG I would rather have a 2 way player with physical presence. A contending team has to be an outscoring team. If you're top 6 is small, the bottom 6 can't be.

For a potential 3rd or 4th liner to need to improve skating is one thing, like Harti, if the other traits are there. I feel all D should be mobile, especially the way the game is heading. The days of giant slow D are fading if they are going to call head shots and obstruction.

First or second line prospects, or the top 3-4 D, should not have glaring weaknesses if you want to build a contending team. They can't be one or two dimensional players, which the Oilers have liked a little too much. They should only need time to adjust to the game at the NHL level, not learn how to play the game fully or how to skate.

That is why most will say that outside of the top 10 prospects, the draft is a craps shoot. No matter how good a kid looks, or how much research is done, you never know how he will handle things in the NHL.

Just ask Alexander Daigle, Pat Falloon, or Patrick Stefan.

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#26 Lyxdeslic
April 09 2011, 01:51PM
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Speaking of draft picks, did anyone catch the score of the rebels game last night? 9-1 for Med Hat. I happened to be at the game in Red Deer, and Nugent-Hopkins was shut down all night. Can't judge a kid by one game, but i was definetely shocked by his lack of productivity and the dominance by the tigers. Doesnt help when ur back up comes in and lets in 4 goals on 8 shots. Im excited for the game tonight and praying NuHO gets it done, i still have faith.

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#27 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 09 2011, 02:02PM
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@The Beaker

Anyone that says:

"D.Perron from ST.Louis . I think this kid could turn out to be the next J.Beliveau"

Should probably just be ignored anyway.

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 09 2011, 02:04PM
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Lyxdeslic wrote:

Speaking of draft picks, did anyone catch the score of the rebels game last night? 9-1 for Med Hat. I happened to be at the game in Red Deer, and Nugent-Hopkins was shut down all night. Can't judge a kid by one game, but i was definetely shocked by his lack of productivity and the dominance by the tigers. Doesnt help when ur back up comes in and lets in 4 goals on 8 shots. Im excited for the game tonight and praying NuHO gets it done, i still have faith.

Ya not a flattering game all around (especially with Lowe and Mcgregor in attendance).

That said though, the Rebs had to be on the PK for 20+ minutes, so it's not like he had a pile of time to shine.

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#29 Crash
April 09 2011, 02:05PM
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Lyxdeslic wrote:

Speaking of draft picks, did anyone catch the score of the rebels game last night? 9-1 for Med Hat. I happened to be at the game in Red Deer, and Nugent-Hopkins was shut down all night. Can't judge a kid by one game, but i was definetely shocked by his lack of productivity and the dominance by the tigers. Doesnt help when ur back up comes in and lets in 4 goals on 8 shots. Im excited for the game tonight and praying NuHO gets it done, i still have faith.

I didn't catch the game as I was at the Oilers game but it looks like Red Deer may have held a territorial advantage in the game outshooting Med Hat and yet they were shorthanded 11 times. Was the 9-1 score indicitive of the play?

I hope RNH gets it done tonight too. Coincidentally everyone's must have player (Brayden Schenn) was shut down last night as well as Saskatoon lost at home to Kootenay.

Playoff hockey is always full of surprises.

Go Rebels Go

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 09 2011, 02:30PM
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Crash wrote:

I didn't catch the game as I was at the Oilers game but it looks like Red Deer may have held a territorial advantage in the game outshooting Med Hat and yet they were shorthanded 11 times. Was the 9-1 score indicitive of the play?

I hope RNH gets it done tonight too. Coincidentally everyone's must have player (Brayden Schenn) was shut down last night as well as Saskatoon lost at home to Kootenay.

Playoff hockey is always full of surprises.

Go Rebels Go

Rebs didn't play *to bad* (well not 9-1 bad) goalie let in a few softies and then guys started losing their cool, running around looking for cheap shots. The penalty parade soon followed.

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#31 Lyxdeslic
April 09 2011, 02:53PM
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Yeah the score definetely didn't show the true colors of the game, but none the less they still lost 9-1 and NuHo was shut down. The penalty situation did decrease his ice time however. Im not going to judge on the one game, im going again tonight so hopefully he is able to shine like he did against Edmonton and hopefully the Rebs stay disciplined and play the way they have majority of the season.

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#32 Lyxdeslic
April 09 2011, 02:53PM
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Yeah the score definetely didn't show the true colors of the game, but none the less they still lost 9-1 and NuHo was shut down. The penalty situation did decrease his ice time however. Im not going to judge on the one game, im going again tonight so hopefully he is able to shine like he did against Edmonton and hopefully the Rebs stay disciplined and play the way they have majority of the season.

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#33 Bucknuck
April 09 2011, 02:59PM
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There are a lot of positives to take away from this year. Teemu is definitely one of them. You have to love a kid who works his ars off every night.

Hall, Eberle, Omark, Pajaarvi, Dubnyk, and Petry have all impressed too. I look forward to see what they can do next year.

I hate to say it, but I think Hemsky should get traded before another injury drops his value right out of sight. I wonder if Florida gives up their first pick for him. Draft picks haven't been helping them at all, so maybe someone like Hemsky with a huge entertainment value in a deteriorating market would be a help.

Who knows. I love Hemsky, but when a guy only plays half a season every season you have to make a judgement. Do the Oil have the depth to handle that? No they don't. Time to go.

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#34 Quicksilver ballet
April 09 2011, 04:36PM
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Initial impressions of Harsky seem okay. Hope he doesn't take that foot off the accelerator when the game slows down for him a little, he doesn't have this luxury.

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#35 michael
April 09 2011, 04:52PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

There are a lot of positives to take away from this year. Teemu is definitely one of them. You have to love a kid who works his ars off every night.

Hall, Eberle, Omark, Pajaarvi, Dubnyk, and Petry have all impressed too. I look forward to see what they can do next year.

I hate to say it, but I think Hemsky should get traded before another injury drops his value right out of sight. I wonder if Florida gives up their first pick for him. Draft picks haven't been helping them at all, so maybe someone like Hemsky with a huge entertainment value in a deteriorating market would be a help.

Who knows. I love Hemsky, but when a guy only plays half a season every season you have to make a judgement. Do the Oil have the depth to handle that? No they don't. Time to go.

Hemsky for Floridas first pick is never going to happen Buck. Every manager in the NHL knows Hemskys medical history. His biggest value is to this team tthis season. He is a UFA at the end of the season. He either signs or gets traded at the deadline. Hemsky needs to play more than 65 games next year and put up 60-70 points. If not the Oilers will trade him at the deadline if he isn't on pace to meet those expectations. Do we pay him this summer? I say no. I wait and see what develops over the next few months.Would I consider trading Gagne though for Floridas first pick. Absolutely. Or how about Gagne and Hemsky for the Islanders first pick and another pick.

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#36 Kingervision
April 09 2011, 06:28PM
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Again, Stu MacGregor, you magnificent bastard, Again. - Would have read better like that ! But who are we kidding: we are not likely to get any of the A Free Agents: Stanley Cup not in the horizon, and its Edmonton. So if you are a winner, you are going to a contender, if you aren't you are going to somewhere warm, and less tax. We are going to suck for at least another 2 years, then maybe squeeze into the playoffs. Next year, are we better than the Leafs this year: no way - so hello crap for a few more years at the minimum

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#37 Rob...
April 09 2011, 08:52PM
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Barons are playoff bound after a 2-0 win tonight. Looks like at least a few of the Oilers will get more playoff experience this year.

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#38 Greg
April 09 2011, 09:39PM
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Edm may want to move up in the draft to take say RHN/ SC and Doug Hamilton they would need to trade their 20th pick (?) and 31st and still may not have a chance. However what about picking Larsson #1 and trading the 20th pick and 31st for Martin Hanzal? Any thoughts

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#39 #EM
April 09 2011, 09:49PM
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Teemu is a solidly built young man and he looks fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

YOWZA!!

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#40 KenMcC
April 09 2011, 10:41PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Well, gosh, when a 'writer' with Hockey Buzz who throws around phrases like 'tip of his penis' and uses CAPITAL LETTERS to emphasize his points determines something, we can pretty much end the debate.

Edit to add: Not that Penner's been good in L.A., but those are probably the worst quotes you could possibly find to support the point.

JW, I think you've nailed it! 2G, 4A in 18 games tells the story better than anything else.

When we traded Penner I was furious with Tambellini. I thought it was a very bad thing to do to our rebuild. I figured we would be screaming for a 30 goal scorer/first liner next year and trying to get the bullets out of our feet.

Now, I have no choice but to accept that Penner takes his foot off the gas more than he puts it to the mats. I had been thrilled with those few plays when he owns the game. I didn't think he'd fade like he is in L.A.

He scored 29G, 23G, 17G, 32G, and 23G in each of the past 5 years. I guess he is a 24 goal scorer/2nd liner. He placed 47th, 74th, 141st, 17th, and 65th in goals over the past 5 years (this list ignores ties between players having the same number of goals).

Now, to make my final judgement about the trade I have to see what he's like in the playoffs. He got 9 pts in 13 games in 2006. He needs to beat that for LA to have received decent value at all.

Who knows, maybe Tambellini isn't an idiot.

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#41 Team Couturier
April 09 2011, 10:46PM
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So let me get this straight. Teemu Hartikanen, a big man with some hands,though slow, is still an effective hockey player? Well, throw Couturier out with the bathwater. Mind you, I believe the scouts say Couturier doesnt throw a check either, but I think we might all be kicking ourselves if we pass over a 6'4" Centreman with hands and big points totals. One of those things where the scouts figure out he's a bit slow and he drops. The guy used to be ranked #1. He may still be #1. I trust the Magnificent One to see through the facade of scouting chicken littles.

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#42 Team Hall
April 09 2011, 10:52PM
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I was thinking, watching the Flamers play it out tonite, that we should try to poach some of their UFA's this summer. Kostopolous, Glencross, even Tanguay. Whoever will come here for bigger money than they can offer. It hurts the Flames, and we could use actual NHL'ers. Is Jackman a UFA? I like that guy. Outbid them.

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Totally unrelated: Colin McDonald has 41 goals on the season for the OKCBarons? :O

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#44 Bucknuck
April 09 2011, 11:55PM
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ineptflux - Team Trade WanyeGretz For Oodle Noodle Instore Credit wrote:

Totally unrelated: Colin McDonald has 41 goals on the season for the OKCBarons? :O

I look at that and say: "What do you say to that all you Schremp lovers? He never accomplished that. Go suck it."

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#45 knobby k
April 10 2011, 01:15AM
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Lowtide, That pic never gets old.

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#46 knobby k
April 10 2011, 01:26AM
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Lowtide, That pic never gets old. Steve Serdachny the Oiler skating coach can teach Hartie to skate. That he can learn and work on, it's the other qualities the kid brings to the ice that have got alot of people sitting up and paying attention.

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#47 FastOil
April 13 2011, 12:41PM
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@teamcouturier

I was looking at junior stats for Duchene and Couture. Gagner blew them away. Why are they better than him now?

I believe it has to do with having a better all round game, a better goal to assist ratio and size, likely skating.

Maybe RNH has more upside, but more downside as well. Seems too risky to draft another small guy after all that we have drafted aren't setting the league on fire. Eberle may have the stuff, but the others are projecting to be decent players only, all remain quite one dimensional.

I don't see how MacG can pass on the full game big man on a team needing one so badly and no true clear #1, if it's his call. We need a proper centre far more than a D, who are easier to sign or trade for anyway.

I think Couturier will follow the same path as Duchene and Couture, and RNH likely will follow Gagner. I guess that's good if you're a Gagner fan.

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