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Lowetide
May 01 2011 08:17AM

This is Jonathan Huberdeau. A late surge during the QMJHL's regular season moved him into lottery territory. A stunning playoff performance could move him higher and he's not alone.

Last spring, Taylor Hall ripped up the playoffs and laid waste to the Taylor versus Tyler conversation. Hall went 19gp, 17-18-35 for Windsor and scored one of the most famous goals in Memorial Cup history after taking one of the most famous hits in Memorial Cup history just a few moments earlier.

I believe a strong post-season performance can improve the final number for prospects in two ways: first, prolonged exposure to scouts and second increased opportunity to showcase talent. Even a player who doesn't do anything special will be more memorable when those scouts sit down in a few weeks to argue lists.

WHO'S MAKING NOISE?

  1. Jonathan Huberdeau, Saint John (QMJHL): 13gp, 13-12-25 (1.92 ppg) is a terrific early playoff run. Now he's on a stacked team and the difference between the haves and have-nots in the Q is huge, but those boxcars are impossible to ignore. Extremely likely to improve his final number with this run.
  2. Zack Phillips, Saint John (QMJHL): 13gp, 8-14-22 (1,69 ppg) is probably moving up based on these numbers. Phillips plays for a team that boasts SIX players who are over a point per game in the playoffs, so there's every chance some of this output is due to the team he's playing on. Having said that, I'm sure his draft number is going to improve as the Sea Dogs roll along.
  3. Ryan Murphy, Kitchener (OHL): 7gp, 2-9-11 (1.57ppg) A terrific puck moving defender and he showed up in the short post-season for the Rangers. He was already projected as a top 10 pick so I'm not certain it would improve his number, but a team that liked him would have had that opinion confirmed during the OHL playoffs.
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Red Deer (WHL) 9gp, 4-7-11 (1.22 ppg) was dominant against the Oil Kings and that added to a terrific stretch at the end of the regular schedule has him right at the top of the overall rankings. If RNH does go number one overall, I think we'll look back to the month of March: 8gp, 11-8-19 to end the regular year and 4gp, 4-5-9 against Edmonton in the WHL.
  5. Sven Bartschi Portland (WHL) 15gp, 4-14-18 (1.20ppg) This kid is a true rookie in the WHL and because of it I trust this number a little more as an actual reflection of ability. Of all of the forwards on this list not named RNH, he's the one I'm most interested in as a pro prospect. I think he goes top 10.
  6. Alexander Khokhlachev Windsor (OHL) 18gp, 9-11-20 (1.11ppg) is a pure rookie who had an enormous playoff in the OHL. He lacks size but improved his number by having an impact on a Spitfire team that went deep into the playoffs again this year.
  7. Nathan Beaulieu Sant John (QMJHL) 13gp, 3-11-14 (1.08ppg) has enjoyed offensive success in the post season. I'm a little suspicious of his numbers (Beaulieu is on a loaded team) but he does have a nice range of skills.

I'll have another list in the next week or so that will focus on European skaters.

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#1 pelhem grenville
May 01 2011, 09:07PM
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OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD ...

R.I.P. my friend 'Ace'Bailey, scout L.A.Kings

killed on 911 on board flight 175...R.I.P.

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#2 gongshow
May 01 2011, 08:45AM
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When you look at the value of a brilliant playoff performance in predicting future success, the first few guys that come to mind are the opposite types - Joe Thornton and the Sedins.

I'd like to look back and see what their regular vs. playoff performance was in junior. (I'm expecting brilliant regular seasons and poor playoff performances). Can you predict those types of players at a young age? Any others come to mind.

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#5 John Chambers
May 01 2011, 10:46AM
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LT - how much stock do you put in the fact that both Strome and Huberdeau are still 17 years old, Nugent just turned 18, while Couturier turned 18 in December and Larsson a couple of months before him?

How do you weigh that against the fact the SC has been extremely productive over the past two seasons, while Strome and Huberdeau have been late surgers? Meanwhile, RHH, while also younger, has been consistently producing on a bad team over two seasons as well.

Last, how would you rate the talent pool of this draft as compared to some of the recent drafts? From the outside I judge it to be as strong as the Hedman-Duchesne-Kane-Paajarvi draft, but without the unanimous John Tavares at the top. Does that seem about accurate to you?

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#6 TigerUnderGlass
May 01 2011, 05:48PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I find these discussions amusing and tedious by turns. I find it hard to take seriously the opinion of anyone whose evaluation of the skills of an 18 year olds come from a perusal of the latest Hockey News and a few Youtube clips. Heck, guys who do this for a living, who watch hundreds of games, interview players, their coaches, their families, their psychotherapists, have access to their latest fitness tests, bodyfat content, benchpress maximum, still will draft a Marc Pouliot over a Zach Parise, or a Robert Nilson over a Ryan - Kesler or Getzlaf, take your pick. Go through any draft - there are busts and surprises. Oilers have a chance to lower their odds of crapping out by drafting early, but it is still just that, a crapshoot. All we can say, after they pick, is "Let's wait and see". In the meantime can we get back to the more pressing business of rooting against the Canucks and trolling Canucklehead fans?

I find these types of response amusing and tedious by turns.

I find it hard to take seriously the suggestion that people can't have an opinion unless they are paid by an NHL franchise to have one.

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#7 dougtheslug
May 02 2011, 07:46AM
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@madjam

Just to be contrarian, we still really don't know whether Taylor or Tyler will have the better NHL career. Their rookie years were spent under totally different circumstances, Hall getting way more ice time on 1st and 2nd line and PP. Seguin may well win a cup in his rookie season. What happens to their development from here on in is a totally open question. Look at Duchene and Tavares - after their rookie years, many pundits were saying the Islanders blew it. After year 2? Maybe not. Whatever, I'm still glad Oilers took Hall, but Seguin may still prove his worth in the long run.

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#8 Westcoastoil
May 02 2011, 01:38PM
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Page 2 Fist! - you know there's not much going on when....

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#9 gongshow
May 01 2011, 08:49AM
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I just looked and their draft year boxcars are relatively close to their regular season stats. Any others come to mind?

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#10 Zack
May 01 2011, 09:08AM
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No Sean Couturier LT?

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#11 jbh
May 01 2011, 10:21AM
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Strome has very impressive stats for a 17 year old,playing on what appears to be an older team.Even had 82 PIM.He is listed as a RH center but I thought I read somewhere he played mostly wing this year?

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#12 madjam
May 01 2011, 10:57AM
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Not very often you can judge players on 3 different levels at same time . BPA (best player available ) , BIC( Best in Class) , and BIS ( Best in Show ) . Oh , dem SEA DOGS .

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#15 spOILer
May 01 2011, 11:25AM
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Didn't Strome and Hamilton have deep playoff runs? I'm surprised their names aren't included in the article.

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#16 @NateInVegas
May 01 2011, 11:25AM
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I'd rather take RNH,Couturier,Landeskog #1 over Larsson.

Edmonton's probably finishing 26th in 2011-12 and could draft Ryan Murray or Griffin Reinhart in 2012 depending how the balls drop.

I don't see enough offensive upside in Larsson's game to take him #1. Most scouts seem to think he'll be a top pairing guy but not a stud..

Murray & Reinhart have that #1 quality IMO.

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#17 gcw_rocks
May 01 2011, 11:38AM
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LT - RNH had a good first round, but was fairly invisible in the second round against the Tigers, as I understand it. Note you focused on his performance vs the Oil Kings. If that boosts his view, doesn't the weak performance against the Tigers hurt him?

On Huberdeau - it's a stacked team, but he appears to stir the drink on that team, so to speak. If he keeps performing at a high level as the competition gets tougher, could that boost him over RNH?

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#18 spOILer
May 01 2011, 12:03PM
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The word on Bartschi is that he doesn't seen to have the speed to make up for his lack of size. Sick hands though.

Is Ty Rattie not showing well either? Seems like he got snubbed here too. ;o)

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#21 dougtheslug
May 01 2011, 01:39PM
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I find these discussions amusing and tedious by turns. I find it hard to take seriously the opinion of anyone whose evaluation of the skills of an 18 year olds come from a perusal of the latest Hockey News and a few Youtube clips. Heck, guys who do this for a living, who watch hundreds of games, interview players, their coaches, their families, their psychotherapists, have access to their latest fitness tests, bodyfat content, benchpress maximum, still will draft a Marc Pouliot over a Zach Parise, or a Robert Nilson over a Ryan - Kesler or Getzlaf, take your pick. Go through any draft - there are busts and surprises. Oilers have a chance to lower their odds of crapping out by drafting early, but it is still just that, a crapshoot. All we can say, after they pick, is "Let's wait and see". In the meantime can we get back to the more pressing business of rooting against the Canucks and trolling Canucklehead fans?

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#22 Jimmer
May 01 2011, 02:20PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I find these discussions amusing and tedious by turns. I find it hard to take seriously the opinion of anyone whose evaluation of the skills of an 18 year olds come from a perusal of the latest Hockey News and a few Youtube clips. Heck, guys who do this for a living, who watch hundreds of games, interview players, their coaches, their families, their psychotherapists, have access to their latest fitness tests, bodyfat content, benchpress maximum, still will draft a Marc Pouliot over a Zach Parise, or a Robert Nilson over a Ryan - Kesler or Getzlaf, take your pick. Go through any draft - there are busts and surprises. Oilers have a chance to lower their odds of crapping out by drafting early, but it is still just that, a crapshoot. All we can say, after they pick, is "Let's wait and see". In the meantime can we get back to the more pressing business of rooting against the Canucks and trolling Canucklehead fans?

@ dougtheslug

Thanks Debbie Downer....kidding.

Crap shoot indeed but I think a major factor in the decision on Taylor vs. Tyler was based on "compete level" (as seen on Oil Change).

That is a point of discussion...and one that is not "tedious by turns."

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#24 Wax Man Riley
May 01 2011, 02:31PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I find these discussions amusing and tedious by turns. I find it hard to take seriously the opinion of anyone whose evaluation of the skills of an 18 year olds come from a perusal of the latest Hockey News and a few Youtube clips. Heck, guys who do this for a living, who watch hundreds of games, interview players, their coaches, their families, their psychotherapists, have access to their latest fitness tests, bodyfat content, benchpress maximum, still will draft a Marc Pouliot over a Zach Parise, or a Robert Nilson over a Ryan - Kesler or Getzlaf, take your pick. Go through any draft - there are busts and surprises. Oilers have a chance to lower their odds of crapping out by drafting early, but it is still just that, a crapshoot. All we can say, after they pick, is "Let's wait and see". In the meantime can we get back to the more pressing business of rooting against the Canucks and trolling Canucklehead fans?

But Lowetide and JW especially have math and experience on their side to back up the youTube clips.

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#25 stevezie
May 01 2011, 02:37PM
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I'd heard that RNH had not one but two shadows dedicated to shutting him down in round 2. Even Gretzky's numbers dropped against Steve Kaspar.

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#26 spOILer
May 01 2011, 02:51PM
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That Morrow kid could go top 20. I'd bet MBS has been watching that Spokane-Portland series.

Any chance Czerwonka has climbed into the top 15 of the Prospect's chart on the virtue of his play-off performances?

There's a few kids showed well in that U18 Tourney concurrent to the playoffs. Scheifele, Cousins, Miller, Zibanejad, Klefblom, Connor Murphy, all possible top 30s. Didn't hear much about Armia though. Did he play?

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#28 spOILer
May 01 2011, 05:25PM
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Matheson's Hockey World has a note on Armia... apparently one scout thinks he will be as good as Landeskog after his U18 showing.

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#29 Team Nuge
May 01 2011, 05:27PM
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Great article LT, don't listen to the naysayers, this draft is #1 on my interest list right now, way ahead of the SCP. I just re-read the Mackenzie article on the 2011 draft, which put me squarely back in Team RNH. 6 out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed put the Nuge at #1. Who here can argue with that? ISS concurred. Numbers aren't the only story. Go look at Joffrey Lupuls draft numbers, it'll scare your pants off. Scouts are smart. RNH is their man, so mine too. Not one of them put Couturier at #1. Numbers alone would put Couturier at #1, but not one scout surveyed. RNH it is.

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#30 DSF
May 01 2011, 06:41PM
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Team Nuge wrote:

Great article LT, don't listen to the naysayers, this draft is #1 on my interest list right now, way ahead of the SCP. I just re-read the Mackenzie article on the 2011 draft, which put me squarely back in Team RNH. 6 out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed put the Nuge at #1. Who here can argue with that? ISS concurred. Numbers aren't the only story. Go look at Joffrey Lupuls draft numbers, it'll scare your pants off. Scouts are smart. RNH is their man, so mine too. Not one of them put Couturier at #1. Numbers alone would put Couturier at #1, but not one scout surveyed. RNH it is.

And yet Jeff Skinner is easily the cream of his draft class.

Scouts get it wrong all the time.

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#31 dougtheslug
May 01 2011, 07:21PM
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@DSF

Exactly my point. Look at the Calder Cup finalists, for example -Skinner drafted 7th last year, Couture 9th in 2007, Grabner 14th in 2006, in other words a combined total of 27 players were drafted ahead of these guys in their respective years. And what does a Calder trophy even mean anyways - a brief scan of the recent list reveals a Mason, a Jackman, a Raycroft - hardly franchise players. Drafting is not a science(I'm not sure what math has to do with it,WMR) nor is it even an art, but rather a weird combination of data, experience, intuition, clairvoyance and luck. Players develop in their own strangely unpredictable ways. So have an opinion by all means. Just don't take it so darn seriously. BTW, Preds in 5.

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#32 DSF
May 01 2011, 07:24PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Exactly my point. Look at the Calder Cup finalists, for example -Skinner drafted 7th last year, Couture 9th in 2007, Grabner 14th in 2006, in other words a combined total of 27 players were drafted ahead of these guys in their respective years. And what does a Calder trophy even mean anyways - a brief scan of the recent list reveals a Mason, a Jackman, a Raycroft - hardly franchise players. Drafting is not a science(I'm not sure what math has to do with it,WMR) nor is it even an art, but rather a weird combination of data, experience, intuition, clairvoyance and luck. Players develop in their own strangely unpredictable ways. So have an opinion by all means. Just don't take it so darn seriously. BTW, Preds in 5.

Exactly.

There are so many variables, math is useless.

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#33 The Farmer
May 01 2011, 08:32PM
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I would never say math or stats are useless, but I think you need to just look at it as another tool in the drawer if you will to helping make the right decision, some numbers you cant deny, others are outweighed by the intangibles we as common folk have no idea about. ie character, home life, drive, passion

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#34 Clyde Frog
May 01 2011, 09:10PM
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What happens with Skinner is when teams weigh intangibles versus tangibles and address based on that.

Skinner wasn't in the top 3 consideration because he was a small scoring winger, lacking size, a physical edge and those other tools Oilers fans seem to covet so very much right now.

Teams valued the other kids natural size/compete/etc over the points this kid brought to the table.

The Skinner argument falls right in RNH's wheelhouse and it could be because of him scouts are less willing to ignore him in favour of the larger Couteriers of the world.

If the Oiler's take what they feel is the best point producer right now I will be happy. If they pass on it for larger body size, grit or defensive play I will be saddened inside.

For those knocking the second round silencing of RNH, I have heard from a buddy who worked the rebels games in radio that basically Medicine hat 2 v 1'd him all series keeping him shadowed and a stick on him at all times. It speaks more to the level of line mates he produced with that they were not capitalizing with the open ice this game-plan would produce for the other team mates.

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#35 Crash
May 01 2011, 09:14PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

What happens with Skinner is when teams weigh intangibles versus tangibles and address based on that.

Skinner wasn't in the top 3 consideration because he was a small scoring winger, lacking size, a physical edge and those other tools Oilers fans seem to covet so very much right now.

Teams valued the other kids natural size/compete/etc over the points this kid brought to the table.

The Skinner argument falls right in RNH's wheelhouse and it could be because of him scouts are less willing to ignore him in favour of the larger Couteriers of the world.

If the Oiler's take what they feel is the best point producer right now I will be happy. If they pass on it for larger body size, grit or defensive play I will be saddened inside.

For those knocking the second round silencing of RNH, I have heard from a buddy who worked the rebels games in radio that basically Medicine hat 2 v 1'd him all series keeping him shadowed and a stick on him at all times. It speaks more to the level of line mates he produced with that they were not capitalizing with the open ice this game-plan would produce for the other team mates.

And just to add to it...those that are knocking the Med Hat series with regards to RNH are probably the first guys to say we should give up half the team to acquire Brayden Schenn and Schenn was a complete no show vs Kootenay in that series. A big goose egg.

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#36 gcw_rocks
May 01 2011, 09:37PM
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Crash wrote:

And just to add to it...those that are knocking the Med Hat series with regards to RNH are probably the first guys to say we should give up half the team to acquire Brayden Schenn and Schenn was a complete no show vs Kootenay in that series. A big goose egg.

Actually, in the past I have written the Oilers should have pushed it to acquire Schenn, provided they dealt from areas of depth, so I might have fit the description you mentioned.

But, that was before this years playoff, and I would given Schenn a wash this year, with the strong WJC play offsetting the Ice series and leave him with "jury still out" as a result. And, I would probably give up less to get him than I would have in January, or at least be less comfortable doing so.

But if you are valuing intangibles, Huberdeau is supposed to have them in spades (vision, high compete, intensity, etc.), and he led his team in scoring and he is dominating in the play-offs.

So, the arrows around Huberdeau all seem to be pointing to Skinner or better. The only knock is that his team is strong and like RNH, he's a bit skinny at this point. So was Hall's team strong. Like Hall, Huberdeau seems to be leading the charge, not riding the wave.

So, my question then becomes, if you like RNH despite questions about his even strength scoring and a mixed play-off record, why not give Huberdeau a closer look as the play-offs move along? Why not take advantage of every pace of information available? And with Huberdeau, unlike RNH and Courturier, that information is still rolling in.

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#37 Peterborough
May 01 2011, 09:50PM
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Great post LT and way to go back to the "This is . . . " format, I really like how that reads. The more I look at this years group of kids the more I am against trading away our 2nd rounder to move up as it does look the be 35 deep. The back end of the draft doesn't seem nearly as deep as last years was but thats probable as it was so good last year. Adding a sure thing a couple more blue chippers sets thing up nicely as we move forward.

PS note to Tambi don't f#ck this up.

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#38 Archie
May 01 2011, 10:13PM
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LT the Oil Kings forwards were all about the same size or smaller then RNH. Then came the MH Tigers with a bigger and stronger team and they shut him down, this happened to the Oilers with their small forwards most nights. Now your tell us the the Oilers should draft another small forward that's not that good in the FO circle. Wasn't one of the Oiler's biggest weakness was in the FO circle. He was also -5 in the 5 game play off against MH. That series against MH showed us why the Oilers shouldn't draft RNH.

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#39 Clyde Frog
May 01 2011, 10:14PM
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@gcw_rocks

I'm not overly worried which scoring forward the Oil covet at #1 as long as they take a long hard looking at scoring first and worry about size, grit, etc a far distant second.

RNH has been pegged as a puckhound and has shown several times he is willing to challenge much bigger guys. The Prospects game, anyone?

His vision, skating, compete, passing and shot have all been called NHL quality.

I value him above the other forwards right now simply because A. I know someone who has watched him play 90% of this season and heard great things first hand, and B. The scouts seem to be agreeing with person A's opinions.

If the scouts are starting to take longer looks at Huberdeau and others and re-asses I'll be fine with that too.

I just don't want the oiler's to pass on the best offensive player because someone else has 20 pounds, likes to get his elbows up or chirps a real good game.

I just think when comparing a top end 45-55 point player with size versus a 70-80 point player without it, you have to take the extra points... It is much harder to manufacter 20-30 points on a roster than find someone willing to muck it up.

Although all of it is moot if the little kid turns out to have a lower top-end than we hope. But thats why the Oilers pay the scouts in bags of cash right?

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#40 dougtheslug
May 01 2011, 11:25PM
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@Clyde Frog

Hindsight is 20-20. Skinner's upside wasn't just intangible it was also unanticipated- but that has been my point all along. Sometimes a player just gets better in a way that all the expertice in the universe can't predict. The poster boy for that of course is Marty St.Louis(just thought of him because I was watching him tonight). Undrafted, cut by Ottawa after a free agent tryout, kicked around the International Hockey league, and now??Possibly Hall of fame? Who saw that coming when he was 18?So, whatever, flip a coin, draft,and hope for the best.(And don't forget to cheer against the Canucks)

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#41 @Oilanderp
May 02 2011, 12:08AM
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@dougtheslug

I guess the Detroit Red Wings are just really reaaaallllyy lucky.

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#42 dougtheslug
May 02 2011, 12:24AM
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@@Oilanderp

In 1998, Detroit drafted Ryan Barnes, Toneh Valtonen, Jake McCracken, Brent Hobday, Carl Steen, and Adam Deleeuw,(total NHL games played? Zero) before they drafted Pavel Datsyuk. So, yeah, I would say that was pretty lucky. If they were so sure he was going to be good why didn't they snap him up? I think they did real well 9-13 years ago. But have you checked their record since 2004? Not much to suggest they are any more clairvoyant than any other team.

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#43 SLAM
May 02 2011, 12:33AM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

I guess the Detroit Red Wings are just really reaaaallllyy lucky.

I think the Wings are fairly lucky if you look at where they drafted some of their talent:

2000: Niklas Kronwall (29th overall)
2001: Igor Grigorenko (62nd overall)
2002: Jiri Hudler 2nd round (58th overall)
2003: Jimmy Howard 2nd round (64th overall)
2004: Johan Franzen 3rd round (97th overall)
2005: Jakub Kindl (19th overall)
2006: Cory Emmerton 2nd round (41st overall)
2007: Brendan Smith (27th overall)
2008: Thomas McCollum (30th overall)
2009: Landon Ferraro (32nd overall)
2010: Riley Sheahan (21st overall)


How many of those selections have actually panned out? The main rock of their team, Lidstrom was picked after Mike Sillinger and Bob Boughner. If they didn't have luck and they saw what these players were going to become, they would have picked Lidstrom in the 1st round (unless of course they were waiting because they knew no one else in the NHL knew their secret).

Detroit is a great organization, but it did take a lot of base luck to get there. They have a good system built to give their prospects the best chances to succeed, but like dougtheslug said, "Sometimes a player just gets better in a way that all the expertise in the universe can't predict."

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#45 madjam
May 02 2011, 07:19AM
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Seems to me final rankings last year had Sequin over Hall . Hall was the right choice i'm sure we all agree now . Larsson played hurt in the company of men over last two seasons . Advantage Larsson . Now most of you have probably never seen enough of Larsson to even make a reasonable assessment of the player . Larsson and Landeskog most NHL ready by majority of scouts . In other words they should be less risky to draft for starters . To many good things seen and said about Larsson to pass up on . Hopkins has a biased Western Canadian fan base that many of the others just don't have .

If Oilers make their preference known early this draft season to the other teams ,etc. , then other deals may develop rather than wait till draft day .

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#46 buttermilk biscuits
May 02 2011, 08:43AM
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Not sure whats up with players that get high points on a stacked team being questioned..what about Hall last year..one of the most stacked teams in Junior History and everyone had him number 1.. Huberdeau has the same points per game as hall last season..

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#47 Wax Man Riley
May 02 2011, 11:53AM
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#48 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
May 02 2011, 12:30PM
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I'm all over this train of thought. Everyone seems to be of the mindset "Boy, we sure won that one" over the whole Taylor vs. Tyler thing.

It's not over.

Sergei Samsonov looked like the better of the 2 rookies (Joe thornton, #1 overall pick the other) during their rookie/draft year. I'm sure a lot of those people were thinking "Boy, we sure lucked out and got the BPA in the #8 slot"

Guess what? One guy is like 33 and has 1000+ points and the other one has been a bit player on periphery teams the last 5 years.

Don't let a rookie season paint a premature picture.

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#49 Clyde Frog
May 02 2011, 12:44PM
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Jeff Skinner scored 50 goals, added 40 assists for 90 points in 64 games, netting another 20 goals and 30 assists in 20 playoff games as well.

There is no way people were unable to predict his offensive upside.

The reason people mitigated his worth was he was under 6 feet and 170ish pounds in his draft year.

He was passed over for kids with larger bodies, grit and such-like, ie kids like Nino Neiderriter, Connolly, Johansen.

Its premature to measure really, because one excellent season does make a career.

@Madjam you still haven't listed those trades... Also if you could list all the positive reasons you believe Larsson is a 100% lock at #1 it would help to understand where you are coming from.

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So, Larsson has had a serious, potentially nagging injury already, and he is only 18? Well then, sign me up. We love the Hemsky hat trick. Here are my final rankings: RNH Couturier Strome Huberdeau Larsson Landeskog

Based on numbers, along with scouting reports, those should be the top 6. Couturier is the only one to put up big points 2 years in a row. I might move Couturier up to #1 for that reason. Couturier is slow, RNH is small, so thats a wash to me.

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