Fasth Train

Lowetide
May 11 2011 07:40AM

It doesn't matter where they come from, all they need to do is stop the damn puck. In Canada, more phone calls have been made in search of goalies (all the way from pick  up games to rec league to pro hockey) than the search for girls. Well, maybe not but it's close.

Viktor Fasth is not a huge goaltender by today's standards (6.00, 198) and he's no kid (born in 1982, he can see 30 up the road apiece) but he's as hot as hot can be right now. Fasth is coming off a quality SEL season (42gp, 2.26 .925SP) and has gone supernova at the World Hockey Championships (4gp, 0.50 .983). He won the "Honken" trophy as the SEL's best goaler this season and NHL teams are circling.

The Edmonton Oilers have a few things they can offer Fasth. One: NHL employment. With NK's legal situation on the docket for this summer the Oilers will no doubt do the prudent thing and protect themselves with a suitable replacement. Should said player win a job outright (not impossible based on Khabibulin's Red Light Racicot moments this past season) then the Russian may spend next season in the Sheldon Souray "richest man in the minors" seat. Two: they can pay him very good dollars based on their cap situation.

Any number of NHL teams have been associated with Fasth. If you google "Fasth-NHL" you get over 1 million results including this one that has Steve Yzerman interested in the suddenly popular Fasth. He has a contract for next year, but these things have a way of working themselves out.

Viktor Fasth could be the most important free agent signing the Oilers make this summer. Seriously. Goaltending is miles from being adequate despite a very fine showing by rookie Devan Dubnyk. The elephant in the room is the Russian goaltender. Viktor Fasth could change all that in a heartbeat.

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#51 thetikk
May 11 2011, 12:37PM
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@Truth

Thanks "Truth", your post exemplifies exactly the kind of smarmy, underhanded homophobia I was referring to.

Clearly you regard the word "gay" and homosexuality in general as an insult (whether directed toward Flames fans or others).

Perhaps you should reconfigure your values and consider a more careful respect for your fellow human beings.

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#52 mayorpoop
May 11 2011, 01:05PM
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I tried it at home wrote:

thetikk, youve made your point. Before this tangent takes over the whole thread discussion, lets just drop it. I want to read about possibilities in goaltenders, not juvenile remarks and hurt feelings.

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#53 buttermilk biscuits
May 11 2011, 01:09PM
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Like I said, go with Dubnyk..get him a quality Backup (or keep NK if they must), I like his overall Calmness in Net..seems like a pretty laid back guy off the ice too..the type of dude that can handle pressure in big game situations..sound a bit like P.Rinne?

Just keep drafting one of two Goalie prospects a year..somethings gonna pan out eventually

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#54 Truth
May 11 2011, 01:15PM
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@thetikk

Thank you for pointing me in the absolute correct moral direction. I have since altered my path in life and have joined the Catholic Church.

I believe that Fasth would be a great signing, especially if it was a two-way deal and they could get someone to bite on Khabby through waivers. Doubtful I know.

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#55 big joe grizzley
May 11 2011, 01:17PM
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hey oilers freaks,grizzleys in town,whos got the cracker jacks?....i just wanted to give a big joe shout out to all you oiler die hards,i look forward to spicing it up...bringing the heat...and having some fun talking about my beloved oilers... so lets get after it!....heres what you need to know about grizzley...i dispise small soft hockey players...i dig holly horton on tsn...my favorite movie is Romeros Dawn of the dead...favorite band is the Dead kennedys...and damit,i cant spell worth a crap,but i have passion,so give a brother some slack!i have a smoken hot girlfriend whos name is mamma bear grizzley...but i have a mistress my friends,and her name is the edmonton oilers hockey club,and in the last 20 years shes been a crule mistress indeed,lets hope the next 10 years makes up for 20 years of getting pummped hard...later...bjg is out

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#56 Dan the Man
May 11 2011, 01:26PM
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I'm sure the Oilers can't sign Viktor "Fasth" enough.....and I hope we can count on him for some big "Honken" saves.

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#57 Pajamah
May 11 2011, 01:26PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

hey oilers freaks,grizzleys in town,whos got the cracker jacks?....i just wanted to give a big joe shout out to all you oiler die hards,i look forward to spicing it up...bringing the heat...and having some fun talking about my beloved oilers... so lets get after it!....heres what you need to know about grizzley...i dispise small soft hockey players...i dig holly horton on tsn...my favorite movie is Romeros Dawn of the dead...favorite band is the Dead kennedys...and damit,i cant spell worth a crap,but i have passion,so give a brother some slack!i have a smoken hot girlfriend whos name is mamma bear grizzley...but i have a mistress my friends,and her name is the edmonton oilers hockey club,and in the last 20 years shes been a crule mistress indeed,lets hope the next 10 years makes up for 20 years of getting pummped hard...later...bjg is out

Ahem, No one cares!!!

Do you have an opinion on the potential of a Victor Fasth signing, or would you rather let us know where you graduated, or if you like/dislike blueberry pancakes/meth/the smell of grass after it rains?

You're not the Warrior, are you?

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Very good dollars based on cap situation.

Doesn't he have to sign an entry level deal?

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#59 brodie
May 11 2011, 02:08PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

hey oilers freaks,grizzleys in town,whos got the cracker jacks?....i just wanted to give a big joe shout out to all you oiler die hards,i look forward to spicing it up...bringing the heat...and having some fun talking about my beloved oilers... so lets get after it!....heres what you need to know about grizzley...i dispise small soft hockey players...i dig holly horton on tsn...my favorite movie is Romeros Dawn of the dead...favorite band is the Dead kennedys...and damit,i cant spell worth a crap,but i have passion,so give a brother some slack!i have a smoken hot girlfriend whos name is mamma bear grizzley...but i have a mistress my friends,and her name is the edmonton oilers hockey club,and in the last 20 years shes been a crule mistress indeed,lets hope the next 10 years makes up for 20 years of getting pummped hard...later...bjg is out

Welcome to the den Mr. and Mrs. Grizzley. And remember just say no to CRACKer jacks.

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#60 speeds
May 11 2011, 02:43PM
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those links have a lot of comments, and are pretty long, but it's interesting reading if anyone's interested.

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#61 Archaeologuy
May 11 2011, 03:43PM
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@Ender

Indeed I believe I wrote that.

Like I said earlier, I completely understand why the Oilers walked away from Roloson, but I didnt think he was done. I thought he didnt have a leg to stand on as far as bargaining a new contract was concerned. I thought at that stage of his career he wasnt going to get more than a year at a time. He was getting older and there were other goalies on the market that year, not just NK. I was definitely in the "Play Hardball" camp (as evidenced above), but even Ender's quote starts off with "Roli can play another year".

All I said to Monsieur Zarf was that I didnt think he was "done with" as a player at the end of 08/09.

Zarf's response at comment 34 outlines the idea that most fans thought he was done and sulking over losing his job to Garon. In his Final year as an Oiler Roli won back his job as the starter and played 60+ games with a .915 save%. All I'm arguing is the reason why I as a fan was generally OK when he wasnt re-signed.

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
May 11 2011, 03:46PM
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Have to think pushing Roli out the door like they did, then signing a goaltender with a wonky back, Steve successfully drove this team hard and fast into the mud. Leaving duties in the hands of two kids that were in over their heads sortof makes you wonder doesn't it? If this was Steves plan then he it worked to perfection, we have Taylor Hall today partly because of this decision. Tambellini probably figured Khabibulin would've retired by now and the remaining cap hit would be of little consequence.

I feel Khabby has one more playoff run left in those bones within the next two yrs.

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#63 Ender
May 11 2011, 04:12PM
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@Archaeologuy

I completely agree. Here's some snippets from Wanye that day supporting the theory:

Wanye wrote:

2006-07 (27 wins)2.75 GAA 0.909 PCT 2007-08 (15 wins)3.05 GAA 0.901 PCT 2008-09 (28 wins)2.77 GAA 0.915 PCT

27 and 28 wins in his last two full seasons (when Garon wasn't messing with his starter's job) and a steady save % that improved last year.

He is actually remarkably consistent.

This team has a boat load of holes but goaltending isn't one of them.

Wanye wrote:

There is an absolute vacuum of goaltending prospects in the system behind Roloson - who will not be an option as a starter in a couple of years simply due to his age and the physical demands of being a starting goalie 55 games + per year. If you look at the players currently in the system and ask "how is goaltending in 4 years" the answer is "probably crappy."

If someone wants to say this is a real problem for the team in the goaltending department I can see this. But all this Roloson criticism of his current play is absolute garbage.

We don't have to sit here and argue that he is Vezina material year after year - fine. But to say that Roloson is in some way responsible for the problems on the ice these past three years is nonsense.

If I was Roloson and I knew how I had performed as an Oiler and I saw how fickle the fans here are - alternating between standing ROLI chants and demanding he be sent out of town on the next thing smoking - I would tell my agent to send me to a better team with a more stable fan base where I could play out my career in peace with an outside chance of winning the Cup.

But no, instead Roloson actually wants to remain here despite the shabby treatment from the Coaching Staff and large sections of the fan base.

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#64 Pucker
May 11 2011, 04:40PM
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I had thought the Oiler's let Rolie go more because of attitude or personality more than anything else. One year or two year contract - it's really not a big deal unless you have someone waiting in the wings.

To me it was the only explanation because he was performing well enough.

This the type of intangible us regular fans are not privy to.

Having said that, I heard during a TB broadcast the past few days that he's terrific in the dressing room.

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#65 pelhem grenville
May 11 2011, 04:53PM
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off topic but for me the whole Roli the Goalie thing is such old news...like the Souray stupidity, build a bridge and get over it!

...i was wondering how the fan base at our sister site Canuck Army was doing, what with their team waiting to go to the Western Final for the first time in 17 years and all...!!!

would we be out of our minds right now if our team was in that position...maybe?

...in the last five offerings to the site by their voices, of their nation, there have been a total of NINE comments...NINE!... two outta the five stories written about their beloved teams' battle with the mighty Predators had ZERO comments...the last one offered by an "Alix" when the nucks won the game and finally closed out the Preds in kinda dramatic fashion (i'm NOT a fan) has three comments...two from one of their writers and one from the author of this last piece...jus' sayin'

Vancouver Fans? = MONUMENTAL FAIL

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#66 Ted Sheckler
May 11 2011, 04:59PM
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This management will not sign a goalie as they are not interested in putting a quality product on the ice. Example 1- Khabibulin and Dubnyk playing last year with Gerber in the minors. Your best players play regardless of salary and if its about developing them let them develop in Oklahoma. It's evident Khabibulin is only her for money and isnt interested in putting any effort into stopping pucks. Dubnyks size is the only thing that keeps him here I'm sure they're hoping the skill come to match up with the size, but it probably won't.(Ray Whitneys father showed more promise at 40 years old practicing with the team 25 years ago, probably at par now) Example 2- Chris van de velde playing in the NHL leads me to think Tambelini and Lowe are playing a game like the two guys in the movie Trading Places. Take any loser off the street and try and pass him off as an NHL player. This while Giroux and Macdonald are in the minors.

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#67 Mantastic
May 11 2011, 05:14PM
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@Archaeologuy

they do send them to siberia, to be youth-anized! doesn't that sound great? get to be young again in a mysterious land of siberia, sounds all kinds of warm and fun!!!!

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#68 Wäx Män Riley
May 11 2011, 05:38PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

off topic but for me the whole Roli the Goalie thing is such old news...like the Souray stupidity, build a bridge and get over it!

...i was wondering how the fan base at our sister site Canuck Army was doing, what with their team waiting to go to the Western Final for the first time in 17 years and all...!!!

would we be out of our minds right now if our team was in that position...maybe?

...in the last five offerings to the site by their voices, of their nation, there have been a total of NINE comments...NINE!... two outta the five stories written about their beloved teams' battle with the mighty Predators had ZERO comments...the last one offered by an "Alix" when the nucks won the game and finally closed out the Preds in kinda dramatic fashion (i'm NOT a fan) has three comments...two from one of their writers and one from the author of this last piece...jus' sayin'

Vancouver Fans? = MONUMENTAL FAIL

No.. this site just hasn't caught on there as it has in EDM and CGY. Check out Nucks Misconduct. Lots of action there.

*Ponders how to take down Nucks Misconduct in order to further the Nation*

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#69 Wäx Män Riley
May 11 2011, 05:41PM
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Ted Sheckler wrote:

This management will not sign a goalie as they are not interested in putting a quality product on the ice. Example 1- Khabibulin and Dubnyk playing last year with Gerber in the minors. Your best players play regardless of salary and if its about developing them let them develop in Oklahoma. It's evident Khabibulin is only her for money and isnt interested in putting any effort into stopping pucks. Dubnyks size is the only thing that keeps him here I'm sure they're hoping the skill come to match up with the size, but it probably won't.(Ray Whitneys father showed more promise at 40 years old practicing with the team 25 years ago, probably at par now) Example 2- Chris van de velde playing in the NHL leads me to think Tambelini and Lowe are playing a game like the two guys in the movie Trading Places. Take any loser off the street and try and pass him off as an NHL player. This while Giroux and Macdonald are in the minors.

Macdonald did't have an NHL contract so he couldn't come up, and Giroux had 2 points in 8 games and not exactly lighting it up. Khabibulin was to be our #1... Dubnyk was to be developing. I suspect we will see that change next year.

There won't be another goalie here, but Dubnyk will play more if he deserves it.

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#70 pelhem grenville
May 11 2011, 06:03PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

RileyWAxMaN...thankyou

...to think that The Nation Network "hasn't caught on"...i ponder as well...share with me the interweb "takedown" subtrafuge...

i won't tell anyone...

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#71 NastyNate
May 11 2011, 06:04PM
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Jagr doesn't fit the oilers plans, even he scoffed at the idea when Dan Barnes put it to him recently at the WHC. I believe teams like Montreal, Pittsburgh or NYR are more suited to sign him to a 1 year contract if he is considering coming back to the NHL. He has never been known for his work eithic and wouldn't be a good fit here IMO.

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#72 Wanye
May 11 2011, 06:27PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

hey oilers freaks,grizzleys in town,whos got the cracker jacks?....i just wanted to give a big joe shout out to all you oiler die hards,i look forward to spicing it up...bringing the heat...and having some fun talking about my beloved oilers... so lets get after it!....heres what you need to know about grizzley...i dispise small soft hockey players...i dig holly horton on tsn...my favorite movie is Romeros Dawn of the dead...favorite band is the Dead kennedys...and damit,i cant spell worth a crap,but i have passion,so give a brother some slack!i have a smoken hot girlfriend whos name is mamma bear grizzley...but i have a mistress my friends,and her name is the edmonton oilers hockey club,and in the last 20 years shes been a crule mistress indeed,lets hope the next 10 years makes up for 20 years of getting pummped hard...later...bjg is out

Now THIS is how you enter a discussion.

BOOM

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#73 Wanye
May 11 2011, 06:32PM
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Ender wrote:

I completely agree. Here's some snippets from Wanye that day supporting the theory:

Wanye wrote:

2006-07 (27 wins)2.75 GAA 0.909 PCT 2007-08 (15 wins)3.05 GAA 0.901 PCT 2008-09 (28 wins)2.77 GAA 0.915 PCT

27 and 28 wins in his last two full seasons (when Garon wasn't messing with his starter's job) and a steady save % that improved last year.

He is actually remarkably consistent.

This team has a boat load of holes but goaltending isn't one of them.

Wanye wrote:

There is an absolute vacuum of goaltending prospects in the system behind Roloson - who will not be an option as a starter in a couple of years simply due to his age and the physical demands of being a starting goalie 55 games + per year. If you look at the players currently in the system and ask "how is goaltending in 4 years" the answer is "probably crappy."

If someone wants to say this is a real problem for the team in the goaltending department I can see this. But all this Roloson criticism of his current play is absolute garbage.

We don't have to sit here and argue that he is Vezina material year after year - fine. But to say that Roloson is in some way responsible for the problems on the ice these past three years is nonsense.

If I was Roloson and I knew how I had performed as an Oiler and I saw how fickle the fans here are - alternating between standing ROLI chants and demanding he be sent out of town on the next thing smoking - I would tell my agent to send me to a better team with a more stable fan base where I could play out my career in peace with an outside chance of winning the Cup.

But no, instead Roloson actually wants to remain here despite the shabby treatment from the Coaching Staff and large sections of the fan base.

SWEET LORD - I wrote that?

*scratches head, tries to remember past*

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#74 Wäx Män Riley
May 11 2011, 06:48PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

hey oilers freaks,grizzleys in town,whos got the cracker jacks?....i just wanted to give a big joe shout out to all you oiler die hards,i look forward to spicing it up...bringing the heat...and having some fun talking about my beloved oilers... so lets get after it!....heres what you need to know about grizzley...i dispise small soft hockey players...i dig holly horton on tsn...my favorite movie is Romeros Dawn of the dead...favorite band is the Dead kennedys...and damit,i cant spell worth a crap,but i have passion,so give a brother some slack!i have a smoken hot girlfriend whos name is mamma bear grizzley...but i have a mistress my friends,and her name is the edmonton oilers hockey club,and in the last 20 years shes been a crule mistress indeed,lets hope the next 10 years makes up for 20 years of getting pummped hard...later...bjg is out

Have seen you on another site. Welcome, BJG. To the only site you need. Although you probably won't see this sinc..... BJG is out.

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#75 John Chambers
May 11 2011, 06:55PM
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Although the Oil are still over a season away from having any chance at competing for the playoffs, I do think they need to start making a few moves to position themselves for '12-'13 and beyond.

Like LT suggests, one of those key moves is in goal. Waiting Khabbi's contract to expire or hoping that Dubnyk turns into a solid #1 just isn't an option.

LT makes a good case for Fasth. Prying one of those 'tenders out of Washington is intriguing. I do highly doubt however that Ilya Bryzgalov is willing to pen up to play for us given his delicate skin and sensitivity to non-tropical climates. What a puss.

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#76 hoil
May 11 2011, 07:19PM
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jr_christ wrote:

Here's a pot stirer for ya:

what's your guys' take on having Souray come to camp next year? If two grown men could put away their pride we could use Sheldon on the point next year.

I like him better than grebby (who i still blame for us losing the cup in 06)

Souray threw the team management under the bus, and whether he was right or wrong, I would bet in the tens of dollars that he won't be playing in an Oiler uniform again.

And if you mean Grebeshkov by Grebby, I think you have him confused with MA Bergeron, unless I am missing out on a joke somewhere.

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#77 hoil
May 11 2011, 07:47PM
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@Zarf

I can see how you missed the season where Rollie ran Garon's show out of town.

Repressed memory is a common symptom of those exposed to events to horrible to comprehend, like watching the Oilers play on a regular basis the last 5 years. That, or the blackouts resulting from the heavy drinking that watching those same games caused.

Roli was solid for the Oilers in his last year here, his numbers reflect that fact. He was good enough that the Oilers offered Roli a one year deal at a reported 3M. He wanted 2 years and turned it down, signing with NYI for 5 over 2 years. The Oilers didn't sign Roli because he took more money to play an extra season, not because the Oilers didn't want him

I didn't really mind the stand the Oilers took about the one year deal, yet it looked like a ridiculous decision after they paid even more for a longer term on a just slightly younger guy.

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#78 Jimmer
May 11 2011, 08:05PM
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@ Lowetide

Can you see a scenerio where we sign Fasth and then ship Khabby to Philly for a guy like Scott Hartnell.

I think the deal makes sense for two reasons: (1) Philly sheds about 500K in cap space and (2) They then have a vetern "Russian goalie" to help out their young Russian goalie Bobrovsky.

I pick a guy like Hartnell only because he was rumoured to have waived his no movement clause to come here for Souray....then something happened...."sigh."

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#79 Ca$h-Money!
May 11 2011, 08:05PM
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Does it really matter if we sign Fasth? What will make us better is replacing Khabibulin, with whomever.

Fact is, if they were willing to demote Khabibulin, we'd be signing Gerber up to actually play in the NHL, he was perfect for us last year. A tandem of Dubnyk (1) - Gerber (2) would be a HUGE upgrade over Khabibulin (1) - Dubnyk (2), and they said no to that.

I just don't see how they go after Fasth with any conviction, I think we're dreaming here.

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#80 pelhem grenville
May 11 2011, 08:37PM
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SWEET LORD - I wrote that?

*scratches head, tries to remember past*

...was this bit of prose written before you got

the dancing bear?

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#81 YFC Prez
May 11 2011, 08:46PM
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@big joe grizzley

DEAD KENNEDY'S!!I think I may have a man crush

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#82 DSF
May 11 2011, 09:37PM
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Jimmer wrote:

@ Lowetide

Can you see a scenerio where we sign Fasth and then ship Khabby to Philly for a guy like Scott Hartnell.

I think the deal makes sense for two reasons: (1) Philly sheds about 500K in cap space and (2) They then have a vetern "Russian goalie" to help out their young Russian goalie Bobrovsky.

I pick a guy like Hartnell only because he was rumoured to have waived his no movement clause to come here for Souray....then something happened...."sigh."

Why wouldn't Philly just sign Fasth.

No one, no one, wants an under performing convicted felon with two years left on a contract that pays him at least double his market value.

No one.

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#83 DSF
May 11 2011, 09:42PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Although the Oil are still over a season away from having any chance at competing for the playoffs, I do think they need to start making a few moves to position themselves for '12-'13 and beyond.

Like LT suggests, one of those key moves is in goal. Waiting Khabbi's contract to expire or hoping that Dubnyk turns into a solid #1 just isn't an option.

LT makes a good case for Fasth. Prying one of those 'tenders out of Washington is intriguing. I do highly doubt however that Ilya Bryzgalov is willing to pen up to play for us given his delicate skin and sensitivity to non-tropical climates. What a puss.

The Oilers are still over a season away from competing for 14th in the division.

As long as they employ management who believe Khabibulin is MVP material, JFJ is an actual hockey player and the best way to raise kittens is to drown them, 12-13 is just a pipe dream.

Why would any straight thinking UFA want to walk into that mess?

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#84 Wes Mantooth
May 11 2011, 11:26PM
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Good topic to read, props on you all. Some very good ideas and insight. I got a goalie for ya all. What about trying to pry Josh Harding out of Minny? I read that he was an unhappy camper there and wanted to be moved. I’m too lazy to look up stat’s, but I recall him being a very good goalie. He’s NHL ready, proven and cold winters apparently don’t bother him.

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#85 jbh
May 11 2011, 11:34PM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

Good topic to read, props on you all. Some very good ideas and insight. I got a goalie for ya all. What about trying to pry Josh Harding out of Minny? I read that he was an unhappy camper there and wanted to be moved. I’m too lazy to look up stat’s, but I recall him being a very good goalie. He’s NHL ready, proven and cold winters apparently don’t bother him.

Harding had season ending surgery.Hip I believe.

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#86 Wes Mantooth
May 12 2011, 12:00AM
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jbh wrote:

Harding had season ending surgery.Hip I believe.

Well then....That sux!

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#87 @Oilanderp
May 12 2011, 02:37AM
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Fans need a goat. A witch to burn.

Remember before the season started the ideas being tossed around in the blogosphere of a straight up trade of Khabibulin for Tim Thomas? Bruins fans seemed keen on the idea as well.

Roloson is showing what an old-timer can do with determination on his side. Thomas picked himself off the floor, wiped his bloodied nose, and then proceeded to Chuck Norris™ the crap out of the leagues best scorers.

Khabibulin had a bad year, but so did everyone on the team. We don't need a goalie. We need some healthy defensemen who can cover the wide open man tapping pucks in the net all season on our poor goalies. The Oilers could splice the DNA of Patrick Roy and Terry Sawchuck with some Jesus H. Christ sprinkled in there for good measure and stick that creation in net and they would still be 35+ points out of a playoff spot! This is a team game and our team was shitaneously horrible. Barring health or legal problems, it should be Khabibulins job to lose next season, with more responsibility given to Dubnyk. This would be a more prudent plan than chasing him out of town with torches and pitchforks.

Khabibulin is done? Try and tell HIM that face to face over a bottle of vodka. I'm taking a page from Wanye's book and standing up for my goalie. Khabibulin isn't done. Not like that.

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#88 positivebrontefan
May 12 2011, 08:03AM
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Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!" wrote:

A lot of you are commenting how Nucks Nation is a bit slow. It is an easy fix During the next series and the final if some how they pull off a shocker. Go to the Nucks Nation website and spew a few comments. It will produce action then Nucks fans will show up and shoot back. I am not saying you have to be nice or pretend you are not Oil fans just create some heat. Why Because when we get in to a Western Final with the Nucks it will be fun to go over there and RUB IT IN THEIR FACES when we go to the Finals and Win the Silver! Besides Rivalry's are Good and Calgary could be a while!

Waxman and myself went over there during game seven of the Chicago series and i think we had the comments over 35 with just the two of us. We had a field day with the the one guy that shot back at us but alas he had the last laugh.

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#89 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
May 12 2011, 08:15AM
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positivebrontefan wrote:

Waxman and myself went over there during game seven of the Chicago series and i think we had the comments over 35 with just the two of us. We had a field day with the the one guy that shot back at us but alas he had the last laugh.

I was just over and Replied to an "12 Questions post it was such fun giving my unbiased opinion on why I feel Vancouver is not Canada's team. OilersNation Show some rivalry spirit! Go over there.

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#90 madjam
May 12 2011, 08:56AM
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Who is responsble for throwing the entire team under the bus ? Who drove down their worth , and why we are stuck with downgrades and AHL players for fill ins because of it. Who over reacted and sent to many packing at the same time , at a low cost to other clubs because he couldn't keep his mouth shut about the toxic environment here ? One thing to try and save your own ass to maintain a job here , but another story to trash your team and thus it's value to get even money , etc. when you try and rid them away . One mistake after another followed because someone other than a player couldn't keep things inside until after they tried to deal off those veterans he wanted to despose of . Who screwed up far more severely in his vendatta against his own players ?

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#91 Zarf
May 12 2011, 09:03AM
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I can see how you missed the season where Rollie ran Garon's show out of town.

Repressed memory is a common symptom of those exposed to events to horrible to comprehend, like watching the Oilers play on a regular basis the last 5 years. That, or the blackouts resulting from the heavy drinking that watching those same games caused.

Roli was solid for the Oilers in his last year here, his numbers reflect that fact. He was good enough that the Oilers offered Roli a one year deal at a reported 3M. He wanted 2 years and turned it down, signing with NYI for 5 over 2 years. The Oilers didn't sign Roli because he took more money to play an extra season, not because the Oilers didn't want him

I didn't really mind the stand the Oilers took about the one year deal, yet it looked like a ridiculous decision after they paid even more for a longer term on a just slightly younger guy.

That's true. The seasons are starting to meld together. Thanks to you (and others) for setting me straight on when exactly it was that Garon's play had Rolly sulking.

But am I not correct about Rolly pulling his kids out of school early in anticipation of a move to a place Anywhere That's Not Edmonton? Did that not happen? I seem to recall reading that somewhere in the print media at the time.

Given my rather spotty memory of seasons-past, I don't want to hang myself out on another limb, but I would suggest to you that a one-year offer from the Oilers represents the bare-minimum level of interest, for obvious reasons.

You're right about Rolly's numbers that last season. They were solid. Better than anything that NK has put up.

But that one-year offer to Rolly spoke volumes. It suggests that the Oilers weren't overly impressed with the numbers or the attitude or the birth certificate or some combination thereof.

I'm with you - I wasn't offended by the Oilers' offer of a one-year deal because it was prudent. I also thought that the NK deal was reasonable, too ... at the time.

NK was a couple of years younger, he'd won a Cup and, above all, was willing to come here. Really, the only bad things that were being said at the time was NK's potential for injury. And that's a gamble you take with signing guys in their 30s.

Above all, I think we (and I include myself in that group) probably fuss over that NK deal a bit too much. The Oilers rolled the dice on him and they lost ... at least so far. Maybe there's a rebound season in NK somewhere. Maybe not.

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#92 Ender
May 12 2011, 09:16AM
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Wanye wrote:

SWEET LORD - I wrote that?

Indeed you did. Even if it were unsigned, the use of the word 'shabby' is a dead giveaway.

You were also pretty snarky that day. The good kind of snarky - the kind that makes milk shoot out of people's noses. In the interest of keeping the peace I left that stuff out, but it's a great read someday if you're bored and want to remember the good ol' days when you didn't care what people thought.

Wanye wrote:

Oh is that how the draft works? Thank you for taking time out of your busy day at MENSA to explain it to me. Perhaps you could clearly articulate this inconsistency you mentioned without any supporting fact yet again.

You know, if you can put down the two rubiks cubes you are simultaneously solving.

[reflects]

Sooooooo . . . I guess nothing's changed after all . . .

Edit: Arch had some fire back then too. Couldn't help but chuckle reading nuggets of solid gold like "A monkey with a learning disability could have figured out that MacT should have been fired years ago." Fantastic stuff. I may have to go away from reading the new articles and just start poring over the archives.

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#93 jbh
May 12 2011, 09:19AM
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madjam wrote:

Who is responsble for throwing the entire team under the bus ? Who drove down their worth , and why we are stuck with downgrades and AHL players for fill ins because of it. Who over reacted and sent to many packing at the same time , at a low cost to other clubs because he couldn't keep his mouth shut about the toxic environment here ? One thing to try and save your own ass to maintain a job here , but another story to trash your team and thus it's value to get even money , etc. when you try and rid them away . One mistake after another followed because someone other than a player couldn't keep things inside until after they tried to deal off those veterans he wanted to despose of . Who screwed up far more severely in his vendatta against his own players ?

Of the players that were let go last year or were sent to the minors,who exactly did we miss?Moreau?O'Sullivan?Pisani?Or was it the slow footed,injury prone Souray?Surely you don't think he would have made a big difference if only the Oilers could have got him in the lineup for 30 games. When you are a last place hockey team and you are getting rid of bad players what exactly do you expect in return?A first round pick for O'Sullivan?By putting Souray on recallable waivers Tambo was giving him away for FREE and pay half his salary.NOBODY wanted him.

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#94 Archaeologuy
May 12 2011, 10:39AM
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@Ender

Yeah, I re-read that too. I sure was fired up back then.

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#95 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
May 12 2011, 01:49PM
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We were all testy having almost won Stanley to living in the bottom of the cesspool again can make any person whom expects winning to be the norm to get a bit testy.

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#96 russ99
May 12 2011, 05:10PM
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I'd love to see Khaby go to Europe or Russia like Huet did this season.

As for adding NHL vets this offseason, I'd say it's a bit more likely we'll be discussing Nail Yakupov with our 1st pick this time next year.

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#97 knobby k
May 13 2011, 01:32AM
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Just add the Roli/Khabby decision to the growing pile of gaffs, goofs and blunders. We are sticking to "the plan". Alrighty then!! Where do I sign up for my season tickets?

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#98 Oilcruzer
May 13 2011, 04:55AM
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LT. Nice shot of the recently defeated Liberal. I still say his book "The game" was one of the best hockey books ever written.

Smartest goalie... Ever. Invented the value of position play.

DD hasn't sold me as the future. Apparently he didn't sell Team Canada after watching him in practice. He doesn't cover across the slot passes well enough for my taste.

The Oil better draft Perhonen or Gibson.

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#99 dawgbone
May 13 2011, 08:02AM
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speeds wrote:

those links have a lot of comments, and are pretty long, but it's interesting reading if anyone's interested.

I had forgotten how many people liked that signing at first.

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#100 VMR
May 13 2011, 09:36AM
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I had forgotten how many people liked that signing at first.

I was against it at the time but I understood why people liked it. They all saw the name Khabibulin that had won a cup and had some pretty remarkable playoff series early in his career. Most people hadnt seen him much or knew much of his career those past few years since the cup to see how injury prone and washed up he had become. It was clear in the few games I'd seen him play and the numbers he was putting up that he was an inferior goalie to what we had at the time and that he was unlikely to get better.

I cant believe that the Oilers pro scouts were as blind as the vast majority of fans who hadnt been keeping track of him.

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