DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE EDITION XIII

Jason Gregor
May 12 2011 09:06AM

Watching the 2011 playoffs got me thinking about how much has to change with the Oilers before they will be in the wonderfully-intense post-season action. Coming off consecutive 30th place finishes it is obvious they have some work to do, but the fashion in how Steve Tambellini tries to build this team will be most intriguing to me.

It is obvious the Oilers are going to try to build the majority of their foundation through the draft, but no team can win solely through the draft. Tambellini will need to make some astute trades, smart signings, a possible surprise waiver wire pick up and, most importantly, he'll need some luck.

Every team needs a few stars to be successful in the playoffs and the Oilers are hoping Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi become those guys. There is no guarantee they will, but after one NHL season it looks like they all have the potential to be difference makers down the road.

Shawn Horcoff always gives you his best effort, and can be counted on to compete come playoff time. Ales Hemsky, if he is here when they get to the playoffs, is also a guy who isn't afraid of the tough areas.

The big void that I see within the team are 3rd and 4th line guys who will be able to contribute. Every year the teams that make it to the final four, and ultimately win the Cup have a 3rd line guy who really elevates his point production in the playoffs.

This year guys like Joel Ward, Steve Downie, Sean Bergenheim, Teddy Purcell and Brad Marchand have emerged as playoff surprises. Ward and Bergenheim lead the playoffs with seven goals after scoring only ten and 14 respectively in 80 regular season games. Fernando Pisani did it for the Oilers in 2006, Maxime Talbot was huge for the Penguins in 2009 and every year it seems some 3rd line guy comes out of nowhere to produce big points.

Most of these guys are grinders, guys who have to battle hard every night in the regular season just to stay in the lineup, and outside of the surprise offensive production, their games don't really change much come playoff time. They just seem more prepared for the constant battles in the playoffs because they've had to play that way most of their careers. 

Who do the Oilers have that fits that description?

Currently I see Ryan Jones and possibly a guy like Teemu Hartikainen. Jones' game isn't flashy, and he certainly won't win points for pretty goals, but his game doesn't vary much from shift-to-shift. He goes up and down his wing, crashes the net and scores most of his goals from three feet out or less.

Jones could be an UFA come July 1st, but when you look at the crop of free agents it makes no sense for the Oilers not to lock him up before then. Jones made $975,000 last season, and even after his surprising 18-goal season, I don't see why he and the Oilers won't agree on a two or three year deal worth between $1.3-$1.5 million/season.

UFA CROP IN JONES' PRICE RANGE

The list of guys who the Oilers could sign instead of Jones isn't that long. There are some guys who'd cost more, but if you are looking in the $1.4 million range Jones might be the best bargain they can find.

NAME                               LAST CONTRACT
Scottie Upshall                    $2.25 million
Brooks Laich                        $2.067 million
Chad Larose                        $1.7 million
Chris Higgins                       $1.6 million
Joel Ward                              $1.5 million
Tomas Kopecky                   $1.2 million
Curtis Glencross                 $1.2 million
Vern Fiddler                          $1.1 million
Max Talbot                             $1.05 million
Raffi Torres                           $1 million
Ben Eager                             $965, 000
Brian Sutherby                     $812,000
Body Gordon                        $800,000
Ville Leino                             $800,000
Eric Belanger                       $750,000
Sean Bergenheim              $700,000
Tanner Glass                      $625,000

Talbot, Glencross, Laich and Leino will definitely garner some attention, if they aren't re-signed prior to July 1st, but do any of those other names jump out at you as guaranteed upgrades over Jones? 

Even though we only saw him for a short stint, Hartikainen opened a lot of eyes and I spoke to two different AHL coaches this past week and both told me they think he is a bull and is a sure bet to be a consistent NHL 3rd liner, with the potential to chip in offensively.

The Oilers need another guy similar to a Jones or Hartikainen, but they are hard to find, so Tambellini either has to make a smart, subtle trade to acquire one or they have to draft one. They might have one in either Tyler Pitlick or Curtis Hamilton, but I'd like to see them acquire one with some NHL experience, because those two are likely a few years away from playing in Edmonton.

QUICK GLANCES

  •  If Patrice Bergeron is out for more than the first two games, the Bruins will be in tough against the Lightning. Bergeron has been great, and if he is out then the Nathan Horton line will have to carry more of the load. Horton's line was dominant against Philly, and it will be interesting to see if Eric Brewer and Matthias Ohlund can control that line starting Saturday.
     
  • Besides Sidney Crosby, I don't think anyone is better than Pavel Datsyuk. He has unbelievable skill in the offensive zone, but his dogged determination on the puck in the other zones separates him from all the rest. If he cheated defensively now and then I bet he'd score 110 points every year.
     
  • Do you remember when Philadelphia offered Ryan Kesler $1.9 million on a one-year deal in September of 2006. Many around the league thought the Flyers were just being dickish, but it sure looks like they knew something about Kesler that the rest of the league hadn't seen until last year. Even if you hate the Canucks or Kesler, you have to admit he is a hell of a player. I don't think it is a coincidence that once he stopped be so prickly towards the media off the ice, and so mouthy on the ice that his play improved. It wastes a lot of mental energy sparing with the media, especially in Vancouver where many, but not all, of them truly love the Canucks.
     
  • The first round of this year's playoffs was the best two-week stretch of hockey I've seen in years, and I'm including the Olympics. We had nine straight days of overtime games, four games sevens and I can't recall an entire country, excluding BC, cheering so hard for one team to lose. It was awesome. 
     
  • Jeromy Roenick went a bit far with the word "gutless" when describing Patrick Marleau's play so far in the playoffs, but had he just used lazy or "void of caring" I doubt anyone would have complained. It is Roenick's job to speak his mind. The next day Jeff Marek tweeted that Roenick stood them up for a radio interview. I thought that was just as classless to be honest. I've had many guests either flat out forget about an appearance or blow it off because of a meeting and I didn't complain on twitter about it. Turns out Roenick was having a surprise lunch with his wife and kids and ended up doing the show the next day. Analysts are paid to rip or applaud a player's performance, radio hosts shouldn't moan publicly when a guy doesn't come on their show.
     
  •  A huge thank you to all the listeners who donated during the TEAM 1260 radiothon from the Stollery last Thursday. It is an emotional day, and I'm sure it is hard for you to listen to some of the stories, but you helped raise almost $450,000 in one day. Thanks for your kind hearts and big wallets. 
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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#151 hoil
May 13 2011, 10:20AM
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DSF wrote:

I'm guessing, if you have running water in your toilet, you also have access to what we in the civilized world call a sink.

Sit down on your toilet and swivel your head from side to side and, if you see a concave receptacle that would be a sink.

Now, most often they are white in colour although, if you live in a seedy apartment it may be Harvest Gold. However, if you live in one of those trendy yuppie lofts, if may be Stainless Steel. You can tell it's Stainless Steel by all the oily fingerprints on it which, if you think about it for a moment, renders the "Stainless" moniker rather null and void.

Once you have recognized the "sink", fill it with frozen water and place your beer among the floes for a refreshing reward.

If you don't have running water, I would strongly advise against placing your beverages anywhere near your toilet although I'm told there are individuals, many living in the Ozarks, who like their beer that way. (More filling) :)

Do you have a firm grasp of the concept of "ice"?

If not, please get back to me for more Hints from Heloise.

Skoal.

My dad used to use Skoal snuff, it was disgusting.

The toast you want is "Skol".

Said to have originated from the Viking's nasty habit of drinking from the lopped off skull of their vanquished enemy leader after battle.

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#152 9 Inches Uncut
May 13 2011, 10:27AM
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I kind of hope the Oilers will start purging some of the flotsam on the roster. I also hoped they had been looking at Setoguchi the past couple of seasons. The Sharks claiming Heatley derailed him somewhat with the demotion.

The playoffs will have raised his stock. (To the point where he wouldn't be worth the price SJ would command) but he is a guy who in 3.5 seasons has had 3 20+ goal seasons. Good skater, finishes his checks, great shot, goes to the tough parts of this ice. I kind of see him as a poorman's Taylor Hall who would look good along side Gagner.

With the Sharks payroll tied up in Thornton, Marleau, and Heatley. The need to likely divert more money to their blueline, and the rise of Clowe, Pavelski, and Couture. I suspect Setoguchi might still be a trading chip for them.

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#153 Woodguy
May 13 2011, 10:58AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"You can get a better player than him at that money."

This is the whole crux of the argument though, sure you CAN get a better player then him for the money... however it is highly unlikely that we actually do that (because theirs not alot of those guys available via UFA this year, the ones that are available are less likely to sign here then other locations.... and quite frankly I have 0 faith in Tambillini actually identifying and securing whomever that is to relatively fair contract).

I don't think anyone has a real issue with replacing Jones with GlenX or whomever(though we probably should be signing 2-3 of these guys with or without Jones).

What I do have a problem with is replacing Jones with Ben Ondrus or Colin Mcdonald.... which I think is the most likely outcome if we let Jones walk.

You throw a guy like Jones away when you have 8 superior wingers, not just simply because you THINK you can find a better replacement.

You throw a guy like Jones away when you have 8 superior wingers, not just simply because you THINK you can find a better replacement.

Based on his SC data, I think almost every other NHL player is better than Jones.

You almost can't get a worse player so it won't be tough to replace.

I agree that Tambellini and Morey Gare don't exactly inspire confidence to find Actual NHL players though.

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#154 jbh
May 13 2011, 11:18AM
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Westcoast Oil said about Jones: He only had 1 full and 2 half seasons, so it's not unreasonable to think that the weak parts in his game can improve. How much more do you expect from a 3/4 line winger on a rebuilding team.

That's is a very good point.Other players are getting a pass on defensive shortcomings because of a lack of NHL experience.Jones should be expected to improve some what in this area.

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#155 Quicksilver ballet
May 13 2011, 11:33AM
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After spending two seasons in the SEL is anyone else a little surprised Adam Larsson isn't playing for Sweden in the World Championships?

Is he not a hundred % health wise?

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#156 David S
May 13 2011, 11:41AM
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Ender wrote:

It's not the size of the dog in the fight;
It's the size of the fight in the dog.

Not that this observation should be construed as me condoning Robin being mean to people. I'm just observing he's good at what he does.

I have a feeling Robin would kick the crap outta alot of these Romulan Ale drinking nancy boys.

http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/robin-brownlee-tinseltown.jpg

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#157 D-Man
May 13 2011, 11:53AM
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9 Inches Uncut wrote:

I kind of hope the Oilers will start purging some of the flotsam on the roster. I also hoped they had been looking at Setoguchi the past couple of seasons. The Sharks claiming Heatley derailed him somewhat with the demotion.

The playoffs will have raised his stock. (To the point where he wouldn't be worth the price SJ would command) but he is a guy who in 3.5 seasons has had 3 20+ goal seasons. Good skater, finishes his checks, great shot, goes to the tough parts of this ice. I kind of see him as a poorman's Taylor Hall who would look good along side Gagner.

With the Sharks payroll tied up in Thornton, Marleau, and Heatley. The need to likely divert more money to their blueline, and the rise of Clowe, Pavelski, and Couture. I suspect Setoguchi might still be a trading chip for them.

Setoguchi would definitely look good in an Oiler jersey - but why would the Sharks deal him to us? The only person they could use is probably Whitney to solidify their backend... Unless you're dealing draft picks - I can't see us getting him or a player like him any time soon...

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#158 big joe grizzley
May 13 2011, 11:54AM
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@Robin Brownlee

keep bringing the heat brownlee,big joe loves it!...if your looking for size and weight heres the straight dope...6 foot 3 225 pounds...as for self esteem issues? not a chance my friend,lifes good in grizzleys world..great job...smoken hot mamma...a few solid buds...as for trying to kick the grizz in the nads, well you better be rocking the size 20 shoes cuse i got plenty to hit,or at least thats what mamma bear says...looking forward to are next encounter brb...bjg is out

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#159 big joe grizzley
May 13 2011, 12:16PM
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hey gregor...whats wrong with calling a player gutless,in grizzleys world you got to call a spade a spade brother...direct and to the point is the way to roll in life,and the word gutless is direct and to the point.learn to talk plain it saves time...bjg is out

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#160 positivebrontefan
May 13 2011, 01:04PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

hey gregor...whats wrong with calling a player gutless,in grizzleys world you got to call a spade a spade brother...direct and to the point is the way to roll in life,and the word gutless is direct and to the point.learn to talk plain it saves time...bjg is out

If by "talk plain" you mean, don't use proper punctuation, and suck at spelling, you've at least accomplished that BJ.

As far as calling him gutless; it makes him sound like a prick, it was unnecssary.

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#161 David S
May 13 2011, 01:23PM
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I smell a light saber duel at Team 1260!

http://youtu.be/pfa-Pa5IQLg

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#162 I am the Liquor
May 13 2011, 01:23PM
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Since when did the warrior change his name to big joe grizzly?

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#163 NastyNate
May 13 2011, 01:52PM
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MAN vs FLOOD:

If you have nothing better to do on this friday afternoon enjoy this video of some hillbilly pulling a Mikael Granlund on rising waters in Arkansas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgKsehkcIF8

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#164 Ender
May 13 2011, 02:00PM
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DSF wrote:

I believe you just did.
Every keystroke has an impact on Gaia.
It's called the "Butterfly Effect"
You just killed a baby seal.
Some day you will recognize this.

Archaeologuy wrote:

Most of the time I think DSF has absolutely nothing to add of any value, but this actually made me laugh.*

Laughing at the death of baby seals is bad, of course, but I must say that if were to happen to any of us on these boards I'm not completely surprised that Cableguy is involved somehow.

[wink, wink; nudge, nudge]

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#165 Souby
May 13 2011, 02:21PM
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I am the Liquor wrote:

Since when did the warrior change his name to big joe grizzly?

I was wondering the same thing. Hilarious!

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#166 big joe grizzley
May 13 2011, 02:53PM
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@positivebrontefan

my grade 12 education as served me well...is that the best you got,hacking on my spelling...you better dust off your talent next tme pal...and by the way whats wrong with sounding like a prick?...bjg is out

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#167 big joe grizzley
May 13 2011, 02:55PM
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i told you guys i would spice it up around here...loved by some hated by others...bjg is out

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#168 positivebrontefan
May 13 2011, 03:17PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

my grade 12 education as served me well...is that the best you got,hacking on my spelling...you better dust off your talent next tme pal...and by the way whats wrong with sounding like a prick?...bjg is out

Most people on this site generally are here to talk about hockey and the Oilers. Even madjam, while knocked by many at least tries to be relevant. Nobody here cares about the size of your balls, what grade you finished, what your old lady looks like, how tall you are, or how much you weigh.

All you've done so far is spout off about yourself and added nothing to the actual useful content of this website. Until you do, I've wasted enough time on this.

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#169 Quicksilver ballet
May 13 2011, 04:03PM
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@positivebrontefan

If Cooper still makes protective cans that big, maybe the Oilers have just found their new No.1 center in bjg. Any concerns about his footspeed, shot or toughness?

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#170 Bucknuck
May 13 2011, 04:13PM
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I remember thinking in 2008 that the reason the oil made such a contest out of the season was as much a cause of Storts, Glencross, and Brodziak as it was Gagner, Cogs, and Nilsson.

If they could have kept that chemistry together I think the 2009 campaign would not have been such a disaster. I hate it when they let third liners go for a few pennies.

I would welcome Jones back with open arms, and I would expect 12-15 goals out of him and be happy to see his hustle every shift. He fits in well in the room and definitely gives a sense of team. Plus, he has the HAIR. You cannot overestimate the power of the hair. Just ask Ryan Smyth. I hope they sign Jones AND Glencross.

EDIT - I remember arguments that Glencross had too high a shooting percentage to be sustainable in 2008. Doesn't look so unsustainable now, does it. 24 goals... argh. /rant

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#171 Robin Brownlee
May 13 2011, 05:11PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

keep bringing the heat brownlee,big joe loves it!...if your looking for size and weight heres the straight dope...6 foot 3 225 pounds...as for self esteem issues? not a chance my friend,lifes good in grizzleys world..great job...smoken hot mamma...a few solid buds...as for trying to kick the grizz in the nads, well you better be rocking the size 20 shoes cuse i got plenty to hit,or at least thats what mamma bear says...looking forward to are next encounter brb...bjg is out

Bear BJ Grizzley:

Your name is not Big Joe Grizzley. You are not six-foot-three and 225 pounds and, I'm just guessing here, your momma (assuming you're not referring to your right hand as "Mamma Bear") is neither smoking hot nor willing to state under oath I'd need a size 20 shoe (I could roll Bozo for a pair of his) to convert you to falsetto in the choir.

Grizzley's world? I don't care about your new single-wide, the bull nuts you just hung off the back bumper of your 1994 Taurus wagon or that you finally hit it big enough at the bingo hall to be able to afford tailor-made smokes for a week. None of it matters.

People come here to talk hockey. Your fantasy existence interests nobody with a functioning brain stem.

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#172 CanaDave
May 13 2011, 05:38PM
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I see no problem at all with giving Jones a 3yr/4.5 million dollar contract based on his play this season. Like Gregor said in the piece he wrote, based on the market right now there isn't a whole lot to separate many of the names being thrown around to replace him if they don't sign him, at least not out of guys currently playing in the NHL.

Even if it is an overpay, since the Oilers have the cap room to work with right now why not spend it on a guy who seems to have enjoyed his time here and from everything i've seen, wants to improve and is more than willing to be a guy who moves up and down the lineup where and when he's needed too, but otherwise has no problem admitting he's a third line player at best?

And if the contract winds up being a mistake, whether it's because Hamilton or Pitlick or someone else in the system is clearly better than him and clearly ready to take his place in the lineup, or because he comes out and proves Woodjam's SC stat right then he'll make a great AHL player. And since Oilers management already set the precedent by eating Souray's much larger contract what's another 1.5 mil?

Easy to say all of this when it's not my money or my butt on the line, but this team can't afford to keep letting NHL caliber players walk away for nothing and hoping that guys with even less experience is the answer. At least, not unless Katz has all promised them jobs for life no matter what the result

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#173 Wäx Män Riley
May 14 2011, 03:16AM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

i told you guys i would spice it up around here...loved by some hated by others...bjg is out

big joe grizzley wrote:

question..are the oilers tough enough..answer..is is big joe grizzley from indo china..hell no,i'm from etown baby!and i like tough hardnose hockey,and i like tough mean nasty hockey players,you win with guts and nads, not with softeness and nadlessness! hey tambo bring in a few alfa males and lets get this party started...i've been talking on this for freaken years,its time to get it done...renney said it best ''it hurts to win''....bjg is out

Anybody that has passion for the Oil that much is OK in my books.... as far as I'm concerned .........

.......BJG... is in!

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#178 big joe grizzley
May 14 2011, 12:55PM
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@Robin Brownlee

hey brownlee,my name is joe,and i am a big guy,and my nickname is grizzley,what more can i say bro...alfa dogs always clash,this is your old stomping grounds,and now thats grizzleys in town your marking your territory..i know how the game is played but why take a shot at my junk and mamma bear,that seem a little bush bro...if you guys are looking for some cookie cutter,run of the mill,yes man then grizzleys not you man, but if your looking for some dude who brings the heat,has huge passion,and will spice it up around here then,jump on board the big joe train baby...buy the way brownlee,if you did kick grizzley in the nuts,then you would have an uncontrolable urge to take off your size 20 boots,and dip them in gold so you can put them on your mantle to enjoy for the rest of your days...i'll lend you the cash for the gold bro...bjg is out

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#179 big joe grizzley
May 14 2011, 01:01PM
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@Jason Gregor

hey gregor...i have never liked marleau,i think he plays soft,and grizzley hates soft hockey players,this is the nhl baby and the stanley cup is on the line...bjg is out

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#180 big joe grizzley
May 14 2011, 01:04PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

thanks bro..bjg is out

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#181 oilerpride13
May 17 2011, 04:11PM
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Hey gregor, I agree Jones is a good signing at 2 years 1.5per.As for building through the draft I think we have enough small players and #1 overall this year should be Landesgoog(?)Big tough and effort every night with a set of hands to boot. then drop the softies who dont show up regularelly,JFJ,Brule Fraser,

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