DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE EDITION XIII

Jason Gregor
May 12 2011 09:06AM

Watching the 2011 playoffs got me thinking about how much has to change with the Oilers before they will be in the wonderfully-intense post-season action. Coming off consecutive 30th place finishes it is obvious they have some work to do, but the fashion in how Steve Tambellini tries to build this team will be most intriguing to me.

It is obvious the Oilers are going to try to build the majority of their foundation through the draft, but no team can win solely through the draft. Tambellini will need to make some astute trades, smart signings, a possible surprise waiver wire pick up and, most importantly, he'll need some luck.

Every team needs a few stars to be successful in the playoffs and the Oilers are hoping Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi become those guys. There is no guarantee they will, but after one NHL season it looks like they all have the potential to be difference makers down the road.

Shawn Horcoff always gives you his best effort, and can be counted on to compete come playoff time. Ales Hemsky, if he is here when they get to the playoffs, is also a guy who isn't afraid of the tough areas.

The big void that I see within the team are 3rd and 4th line guys who will be able to contribute. Every year the teams that make it to the final four, and ultimately win the Cup have a 3rd line guy who really elevates his point production in the playoffs.

This year guys like Joel Ward, Steve Downie, Sean Bergenheim, Teddy Purcell and Brad Marchand have emerged as playoff surprises. Ward and Bergenheim lead the playoffs with seven goals after scoring only ten and 14 respectively in 80 regular season games. Fernando Pisani did it for the Oilers in 2006, Maxime Talbot was huge for the Penguins in 2009 and every year it seems some 3rd line guy comes out of nowhere to produce big points.

Most of these guys are grinders, guys who have to battle hard every night in the regular season just to stay in the lineup, and outside of the surprise offensive production, their games don't really change much come playoff time. They just seem more prepared for the constant battles in the playoffs because they've had to play that way most of their careers. 

Who do the Oilers have that fits that description?

Currently I see Ryan Jones and possibly a guy like Teemu Hartikainen. Jones' game isn't flashy, and he certainly won't win points for pretty goals, but his game doesn't vary much from shift-to-shift. He goes up and down his wing, crashes the net and scores most of his goals from three feet out or less.

Jones could be an UFA come July 1st, but when you look at the crop of free agents it makes no sense for the Oilers not to lock him up before then. Jones made $975,000 last season, and even after his surprising 18-goal season, I don't see why he and the Oilers won't agree on a two or three year deal worth between $1.3-$1.5 million/season.

UFA CROP IN JONES' PRICE RANGE

The list of guys who the Oilers could sign instead of Jones isn't that long. There are some guys who'd cost more, but if you are looking in the $1.4 million range Jones might be the best bargain they can find.

NAME                               LAST CONTRACT
Scottie Upshall                    $2.25 million
Brooks Laich                        $2.067 million
Chad Larose                        $1.7 million
Chris Higgins                       $1.6 million
Joel Ward                              $1.5 million
Tomas Kopecky                   $1.2 million
Curtis Glencross                 $1.2 million
Vern Fiddler                          $1.1 million
Max Talbot                             $1.05 million
Raffi Torres                           $1 million
Ben Eager                             $965, 000
Brian Sutherby                     $812,000
Body Gordon                        $800,000
Ville Leino                             $800,000
Eric Belanger                       $750,000
Sean Bergenheim              $700,000
Tanner Glass                      $625,000

Talbot, Glencross, Laich and Leino will definitely garner some attention, if they aren't re-signed prior to July 1st, but do any of those other names jump out at you as guaranteed upgrades over Jones? 

Even though we only saw him for a short stint, Hartikainen opened a lot of eyes and I spoke to two different AHL coaches this past week and both told me they think he is a bull and is a sure bet to be a consistent NHL 3rd liner, with the potential to chip in offensively.

The Oilers need another guy similar to a Jones or Hartikainen, but they are hard to find, so Tambellini either has to make a smart, subtle trade to acquire one or they have to draft one. They might have one in either Tyler Pitlick or Curtis Hamilton, but I'd like to see them acquire one with some NHL experience, because those two are likely a few years away from playing in Edmonton.

QUICK GLANCES

  •  If Patrice Bergeron is out for more than the first two games, the Bruins will be in tough against the Lightning. Bergeron has been great, and if he is out then the Nathan Horton line will have to carry more of the load. Horton's line was dominant against Philly, and it will be interesting to see if Eric Brewer and Matthias Ohlund can control that line starting Saturday.
     
  • Besides Sidney Crosby, I don't think anyone is better than Pavel Datsyuk. He has unbelievable skill in the offensive zone, but his dogged determination on the puck in the other zones separates him from all the rest. If he cheated defensively now and then I bet he'd score 110 points every year.
     
  • Do you remember when Philadelphia offered Ryan Kesler $1.9 million on a one-year deal in September of 2006. Many around the league thought the Flyers were just being dickish, but it sure looks like they knew something about Kesler that the rest of the league hadn't seen until last year. Even if you hate the Canucks or Kesler, you have to admit he is a hell of a player. I don't think it is a coincidence that once he stopped be so prickly towards the media off the ice, and so mouthy on the ice that his play improved. It wastes a lot of mental energy sparing with the media, especially in Vancouver where many, but not all, of them truly love the Canucks.
     
  • The first round of this year's playoffs was the best two-week stretch of hockey I've seen in years, and I'm including the Olympics. We had nine straight days of overtime games, four games sevens and I can't recall an entire country, excluding BC, cheering so hard for one team to lose. It was awesome. 
     
  • Jeromy Roenick went a bit far with the word "gutless" when describing Patrick Marleau's play so far in the playoffs, but had he just used lazy or "void of caring" I doubt anyone would have complained. It is Roenick's job to speak his mind. The next day Jeff Marek tweeted that Roenick stood them up for a radio interview. I thought that was just as classless to be honest. I've had many guests either flat out forget about an appearance or blow it off because of a meeting and I didn't complain on twitter about it. Turns out Roenick was having a surprise lunch with his wife and kids and ended up doing the show the next day. Analysts are paid to rip or applaud a player's performance, radio hosts shouldn't moan publicly when a guy doesn't come on their show.
     
  •  A huge thank you to all the listeners who donated during the TEAM 1260 radiothon from the Stollery last Thursday. It is an emotional day, and I'm sure it is hard for you to listen to some of the stories, but you helped raise almost $450,000 in one day. Thanks for your kind hearts and big wallets. 
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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 borisnikov
May 12 2011, 09:15AM
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not today my friends.

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#2 They're $hittie
May 12 2011, 02:29PM
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congratualation Dave Nonnis, taking a team of maple leafs to the world championship was a good strategy. Why do you think your junk would do well there.

As my name says phanuef blows

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#3 Robin Brownlee
May 12 2011, 12:52PM
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@big joe grizzley

I'm guessing you are five-foot-seven with self-esteem issues. Stop talking about yourself in the third-person or you're in for a kick in the BJG nads from BRB you will remember for generations.

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#4 Dan the Man
May 12 2011, 02:35PM
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Tough loss for Canada today.

~Good thing Eberle was on the bench in the final minute, that guy never scores big goals.~

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#5 Woodguy
May 12 2011, 02:39PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Look at Potulny stats and you will see a big differnce between him and Jones. Jones had 16 EV goals, while Potulny had 9.

And please don't put Jones or any of the guys I mentioned in same category at Smyth and Peca and even Stoll who scored over 60 points.

Rehashing the past won't help the future, because that won't give them quality 3rd liners. The point is what can they do to get those type of guys moving forward.

I'm just not holding my breath because the same people who got rid of Reasoner, Brodziak, Pisani etc are the same guys who are in charge today and tomorrow.

In regards to a real 3C, in the span of 2 years these guys got rid of Stoll, Reasoner and Brodziak and replaced them with no one.

They didn't even keep poor old Pouliot, who had an outside shot at becoming a 3C.

The the same guys we are looking at to fill the void created the void.

Did Tambellini have his own movement of "clarity" that we haven't seen on an episode of Oil Change?

I hope he had a "come to Jesus" moment and is chasing a NHL Vet 3/4C.

My guess is that he doesn't add a 3/4C lets Cogliano and Fraser flounder and puts Lander in over his head instead of learning the ropes in OKC.

I base that on things he has done in the past.

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#7 Woodguy
May 12 2011, 01:22PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I've never dissed Datsyuk. Only convo we had recently about top players, was top goal scorers. And yes he wasn't in that list.

EDIT: Somehow it quoted the wrong part. I wanted to quote Jason's question about which team mates Jones played with

Ryan Jones has the distinction of making every player on the Oilers worse when they played with him, except two. (in terms of scoring chances for/against)

Link: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/6/2157593/ryan-jones-scoring-chances-2010-2011

The killer stat is how many players are so close to .500 when not playing with Jones.

He scored 18 goals in the NHL and that's quite an accomplishment. The underlying numbers are terrible though.

The same guys who warned against re-signing Brule are putting up even larger red lights on this guy.

Let him walk.

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#8 Ender
May 12 2011, 04:14PM
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OilFan wrote:

WOW! LOL It is obvious you haven't seen Brownlee....

It's not the size of the dog in the fight;
It's the size of the fight in the dog.

Not that this observation should be construed as me condoning Robin being mean to people. I'm just observing he's good at what he does.

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#9 spOILer
May 12 2011, 05:01PM
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We're going to offer Jones more than what we offered Glencross on his first renewal?

He's nowhere near as effective a player, and barring another apocalyptic year of team injuries, he's never going to see this amount of ice time again.

$1.2M for one year, max. If he can repeat it, we will talk long term. He's one effin year away from a waiver wire pick up for puck sake.

And another $5 on BJG vs. "The Censor and Self-Appointed Guardian of Writing Style By Way of Physical Threat". He has it coming to him.

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#10 NastyNate
May 12 2011, 05:30PM
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@russ99

Patrick Sharp? THE Patrick Sharp? Same one who scored 34 goals this year? Was that sarcasm? I am confused....

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#12 DSF
May 12 2011, 07:17PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Guys, i'm in a pinch here and hope you can help me out....is it still acceptible to chill your beer in the water tank on the toilet when you've exhausted all other options?

I'm guessing, if you have running water in your toilet, you also have access to what we in the civilized world call a sink.

Sit down on your toilet and swivel your head from side to side and, if you see a concave receptacle that would be a sink.

Now, most often they are white in colour although, if you live in a seedy apartment it may be Harvest Gold. However, if you live in one of those trendy yuppie lofts, if may be Stainless Steel. You can tell it's Stainless Steel by all the oily fingerprints on it which, if you think about it for a moment, renders the "Stainless" moniker rather null and void.

Once you have recognized the "sink", fill it with frozen water and place your beer among the floes for a refreshing reward.

If you don't have running water, I would strongly advise against placing your beverages anywhere near your toilet although I'm told there are individuals, many living in the Ozarks, who like their beer that way. (More filling) :)

Do you have a firm grasp of the concept of "ice"?

If not, please get back to me for more Hints from Heloise.

Skoal.

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#13 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 13 2011, 09:00AM
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I wonder if we are the only fan base out there that goes 4 months and 1,000+ comments on the merits of giving a 3rd/4th liner a 200k raise vs a 400k raise.

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#14 Westcoastoil
May 13 2011, 09:39AM
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To all the naysayers: Does it really matter if he gets 1.3 or 1.5 - we aren't anywhere near the cap. A little extra money to keep a guy who busts his ass, gets his face dirty, has a little size and can pop 15 goals, wants to be here and by all accounts is popular with his teammates. He only had 1 full and 2 half seasons, so it's not unreasonable to think that the weak parts in his game can improve. How much more do you expect from a 3/4 line winger on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps more importantly keeping a guy like Jones tells the rest of the players that mgmt. is walking the walk when it comes to the team rebuilding its identity and character. For where they are now, loyalty from mgmt for hard work and bleeding copper & blue is real currency.

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#15 Souby
May 12 2011, 09:42AM
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borisnikov wrote:

not today my friends.

The anti-fist....nice!

I like Jones and I think the Oil need to re-sign him. They could go after a guy like Glencross, but after making 1.2mil and scoring 24 goals this season, his price tag will be too high for a 3rd liner IMO.

There are other good guys on that list, but no one really jumps out as a significant upgrade over Jones.

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#16 Truth
May 12 2011, 09:47AM
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I sure hope Jones doesn't get a overpriced long contract. I feel like year was just an anomaly.

In my opinion, a $2.5 million one year deal would be better than a $1.5/yr for 4 or 5 years.

If he repeats his peformance give him an extended contract. The Oilers have been burned too many times on giving guys long contracts for one year of performance.

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#17 dawgbone
May 12 2011, 09:58AM
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I guess the real question ends up being is this what you can expect from Ryan Jones year in and year out.

His underlying numbers are terrible (Scoring Chances for/against, Shots for/against) so you need to ask yourself does Ryan Jones really have a knack for creating better quality scoring chances than he gives up or does he have a knack for converting a higher percentage of shots than the average player? Or did he just have the shooting gods smiling at him all year? It's a fair question and one that management should have a clear idea about before choosing whether or not they should try and sign him.

Unlike Brule the previous year, there's not a lot of historical data to go on. Jones essentially doubled his career games, goals and shots with his work this past season. They made a pretty bad choice with Brule already and Jones is in a similar boat.

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#18 416oil
May 12 2011, 10:13AM
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what about cody mccormick out of buffalo? I think he would be a perfect forth liner for the oil. One of the leaders in fighting majors, chipped in 20 points, and can play centre or rw. 6'2 225 and can skate, sign me up

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#19 Mantastic
May 12 2011, 10:53AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

why would anyone want a mentally unstable player like rypien? he's not even good to begin with. if it was tootoo, even with his troubled past, at least he could play.

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#20 David S
May 12 2011, 11:11AM
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Glencross.

/thread

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#21 NastyNate
May 12 2011, 11:19AM
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Datsyuk is some sort of Russian anomaly. Whenever i watch him i forget he is Russian. I can't remember any other Russian born forward who is so dominate at both ends of the ice. I suppose an arguement could be made for Fedorov.

As for Jones I think he benefited from a series of injuries this year that inflated . With a healthy Oilers team i can't see him duplicating his goal totals from last season. His 7 assits makes me wonder how good of an offensive mind he is. That being said i would love to see him back and could care less about his offensive production because his work ethic, PK, Hitting and ability to get under other teams skin are his best attributes. From the list Gregor provided, the name that sticks out most to me is Kopecky, but i think he will be highly sought after and will earn a considerable raise. Kopecky, Hartikainen, and Brule/Cogs would make a nice 3rd line.

As much as i hate him i have to admit Kesler is a great player, but if somehow the Canucks win the cup and the Heat with the NBA championship i may go postal.

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#22 Dominoiler
May 12 2011, 11:31AM
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Geez, only one year removed from the brule contract and..

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#23 John Chambers
May 12 2011, 12:15PM
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David S wrote:

Glencross.

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Glencross - no thanks.

I like Upshall, Leino, and Laich. But if Colby Armstrong is making $3M a year, these guys will cost more ... maybe up to $4.5 for Leino and Laich.

Can the Oil use character players like this? Absolutely. But not for another couple of years.

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#24 FastOil
May 12 2011, 12:30PM
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Except Jones isn't a good hockey player, as many blogs have shown with stats.

We need to get rid of bad and/or lazy players and get players who excel in their roles, whatever they are.

There is lots of cap, so why have crappy low salary players? It makes no sense. Now is when we can have the cream of these guys, to carry weight and teach, until ELC's start ending.

A culture of excellence needs to be re-created, and guys who can't or won't play appropriately well kill excellence in it's tracks, and the morale of the guys who are good.

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#25 dawgbone
May 12 2011, 12:30PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He doubled his points and goals, because he played in twice as many games. Also considering he doesn't shoot a lot and played with some less than offensive players, of course his shots for/against was low. Did you account for who is linemates were?

Which is exactly why I said the Oilers need to improve their 3rd and 4th lines.

I'm aware of how he doubled his point totals, I was simply using that as an example of how limited his history is.

The point I was trying to make was that we have a question that needs to be answered.

Does Ryan Jones have an ability to either create a higher quality scoring chance than an average NHL player / score on a higher % of chances than an NHL player or did he have the hockey gods smiling down on him.

Even when you account for his linemates, Jones had horrific SC+/- and Shot+/- (incidentally, everyone who played with him had their worst numbers in these categories... draw your own conclusions there).

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#26 big joe grizzley
May 12 2011, 12:41PM
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question..are the oilers tough enough..answer..is is big joe grizzley from indo china..hell no,i'm from etown baby!and i like tough hardnose hockey,and i like tough mean nasty hockey players,you win with guts and nads, not with softeness and nadlessness! hey tambo bring in a few alfa males and lets get this party started...i've been talking on this for freaken years,its time to get it done...renney said it best ''it hurts to win''....bjg is out

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#27 Souby
May 12 2011, 12:58PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I'm guessing you are five-foot-seven with self-esteem issues. Stop talking about yourself in the third-person or you're in for a kick in the BJG nads from BRB you will remember for generations.

LOL! Now now boys. Take it outside or at least wait until we can place some wagers. I got 5 bucks on Brownlee, any takers? ;)

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#28 dawgbone
May 12 2011, 02:38PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

So now the scoring chances and shots for and against are the basis of what is a good and bad hockey player. Please tell me you don't actually believe this.

Who thinks Jones is lazy? This town and posters love to rip work ethic, and I don't recall anyone saying he was lazy.

The cap will be over $60 million this season, who is $1.3 million an overpayment, for a guy who coming off an 18 goal season and in two half season was on pace for 14-15 goals.

Is there a better metric to go by?

And I don't think fastoil wasn't calling Jones lazy, I think he was calling him bad (he said we need to get rid of Bad and/or Lazy Players... meaning bad players, lazy players and players who are both).

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#29 dawgbone
May 12 2011, 02:42PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Unless his break away ability was a fluke this year I'd say he has the ability to create a higher quality scoring chance.

That said, I wouldn't be signing him expecting 20 goals, I'd be signing him looking for 10 - 15 goals, some 4th line utility play and a little PK.

Is break away ability an actual ability? Jordan Staal scored 29 goals his rookie season, a lot of them shorthanded and on breakaways. He hasn't been close to that number since despite getting a lot more ice time.

The other question is Ryan Jones good enough to play on a good hockey team scoring 10-15 goals if he continues to have the same underlying numbers? In other words does he give up too much to get those goals?

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#30 Woodguy
May 12 2011, 02:46PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

So now the scoring chances and shots for and against are the basis of what is a good and bad hockey player. Please tell me you don't actually believe this.

Who thinks Jones is lazy? This town and posters love to rip work ethic, and I don't recall anyone saying he was lazy.

The cap will be over $60 million this season, who is $1.3 million an overpayment, for a guy who coming off an 18 goal season and in two half season was on pace for 14-15 goals.

All NHL teams track scoring chances for and against and use it for the basis of evaluating players.

It works much better than goal, assists and points because you get a larger sample size and reduce the role that luck plays in the numbers.

You read David Staples article on Roger Neilson and Dave King (I assume you did since you had him on your show after his article)

Why not have Dave King on your show and ask him about it. It would make a good interview and open some people's eyes as to what NHL track.

You should also have Myles Fee (Oilers video coach) and see what he can share about what the Oilers track (NHL teams are usually very secretive about what they track), he may not share much, but the Scoring Chances metric is a pretty universal one he may talk about.

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#32 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 12 2011, 06:52PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Guys, i'm in a pinch here and hope you can help me out....is it still acceptible to chill your beer in the water tank on the toilet when you've exhausted all other options?

as long as that tank has never been subjected to an upper decker, all signs point to an answer of yes

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#33 positivebrontefan
May 12 2011, 09:13PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

question..are the oilers tough enough..answer..is is big joe grizzley from indo china..hell no,i'm from etown baby!and i like tough hardnose hockey,and i like tough mean nasty hockey players,you win with guts and nads, not with softeness and nadlessness! hey tambo bring in a few alfa males and lets get this party started...i've been talking on this for freaken years,its time to get it done...renney said it best ''it hurts to win''....bjg is out

WTF?

You are out...of your mind. What are you a cartoon?

And on a relevant note...I say sign Jones for three years at somewhere below 1.5. Low risk, creates a sign of loyalty for a job well done but it isnt gonna break the bank ala Horcoff.

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#34 positivebrontefan
May 12 2011, 09:21PM
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dawgbone wrote:

Except Cogliano did the exact same thing in his first 2 years in the NHL as Jones did this year. He scored 18 goals in each of his first 2 years, shooting 18.4% his rookie year and 15.5% in his sophmore year. It turned out that it was unsustainable.

Ultimately the problem is the data we have on Jones is too small to draw conclusions on. Cogs was fine until he stopped scoring and now the fans can't wait to get rid of him.

I'd still take Cogs at a mil a year for what he did last year.

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#35 speeds
May 13 2011, 12:09AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Who are the bad contracts on the Oilers? Horcoff and Gilbert at the moment. Other than that who is dead weight? Khabibulin's might only hurt in the final year, because next season he and Dubnyk will combine for $4.5 million.

The Oilers don't have many damaging contracts so even if JOnes only scores 12-14 goals, his contract won't be that overpriced.

Of the 13 players that currently have a contract for next season, I think one could make some kind of argument that Khabibulin, Horcoff, Gilbert, Brule, Fraser, and Foster are "bad" contracts. Personally, there's a couple there that I might quibble about, but I think that would be the list.

To me, Khabibulin's contract is the worst one on the club.

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#36 speeds
May 13 2011, 12:14AM
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I can see the argument for Horcoff as well, in terms of "worst" contract.

I guess I was just thinking that, if I were the GM trying to win next season, and I were allowed to magically remove one of the two contracts, I think erasing Khabibulin's would help the team improve more than would dumping Horcoff's.

That said, if you told me that it made more sense to remove Horcoff's deal because it goes longer into the future when the team might wish to use the cap space in some other manner, I think that's a pretty reasonable argument.

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#37 knobby k
May 13 2011, 01:13AM
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After Tambo tried to pull that greasy move by making Jones the last minute, pre-trade-deadline contract offer I wouldn't be very impressed as his agent. To me they tried to lowball him and tried to suck him into a panic signing. That may be the way Tambo rolls and it might even be the way KLowe and Katz conduct business but I think it shows a bad faith intention.

I know Jones is not an offensive powerhouse but he gave one hell of alot more honest effort than most of his teammates this year. There are a couple of those free agent players who might sign here if over-paid enough. (read Souray)

Jones played a physically consistent style most nights and showed some durability. Most people on this site seemed to want to dump Jones right from the beginning of the year and bad-mouthed him every chance they got. Stauffer didn't get off Jones back until the end of the season.

With all of the bad signings and blown trades to criticize why rip on this guy? Why quibble over one to two hundred thou. with all of the highly paid self-entitled primadonna jamtarts on this team? Jones is a guy who plays hard. He easily outworked all of the players deemed sacred cows by the Oil and Oil-controlled media. I don't get it.

Don't be surprised if Jones walks rather than sign for an organization that operates the way the Oil seem to roll. Organizational loyalty? My ass. If I got an offer elsewhere that fit my value...I would walk too.

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#38 knee deep in it
May 13 2011, 07:49AM
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if this was a pure hockey dcision, them signing Jones might not be the best.

Tambo also has to think of the season ticket holders who have not seen a playoff game in ages. Those guys need something to cheer for.

Jones is pure effort and brings a smile to the faces in the crowd. Sometimes, he is one of the few good reasons for being at the game. For that reason, offer him 1.5 mill for 2 years.

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#39 Pajamah
May 13 2011, 07:57AM
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Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!" wrote:

There are some strange concepts on the Nation in the last week. I chalk it up to both Vancouver and San-Jose being in the WCF. I suspect all your brainwaves are discombobulated. I suspect it will get worse as one of them is going to the Stanley cup Final. I know you all really can not believe this is true and believe you are in the dream state. (The nightmare one! not were you are dreaming about when you met your wife.) Because of this you believe you can manipulate the circumstances of the "story" and are trying to some how have the Oilers come out of the fog and win the Stanley cup. All I can say Is "Anyone have any more Lunesta?!"

Yeah, right, i'm sure all that happened

let me guess, TB swept the #1 seed Washington Capitals out of the conference semi-finals too?

*wiped from memory, Total Recall-style*

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#40 I am the Liquor
May 13 2011, 01:23PM
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Since when did the warrior change his name to big joe grizzly?

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#41 Robin Brownlee
May 13 2011, 05:11PM
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big joe grizzley wrote:

keep bringing the heat brownlee,big joe loves it!...if your looking for size and weight heres the straight dope...6 foot 3 225 pounds...as for self esteem issues? not a chance my friend,lifes good in grizzleys world..great job...smoken hot mamma...a few solid buds...as for trying to kick the grizz in the nads, well you better be rocking the size 20 shoes cuse i got plenty to hit,or at least thats what mamma bear says...looking forward to are next encounter brb...bjg is out

Bear BJ Grizzley:

Your name is not Big Joe Grizzley. You are not six-foot-three and 225 pounds and, I'm just guessing here, your momma (assuming you're not referring to your right hand as "Mamma Bear") is neither smoking hot nor willing to state under oath I'd need a size 20 shoe (I could roll Bozo for a pair of his) to convert you to falsetto in the choir.

Grizzley's world? I don't care about your new single-wide, the bull nuts you just hung off the back bumper of your 1994 Taurus wagon or that you finally hit it big enough at the bingo hall to be able to afford tailor-made smokes for a week. None of it matters.

People come here to talk hockey. Your fantasy existence interests nobody with a functioning brain stem.

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#43 mayorpoop
May 12 2011, 09:45AM
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on datsyuk and crosby...

crosby plays like he is just flat out way more talented than anyone else.

datsyuk plays like he is WAY smarter than anyone else.

both ridicuously talented and imo there are no 2 better players in the game.

jason,

i agree with more depth on the 3rd and 4th lines but to what level do we approach because of the way Mr. Dither's has set up the rebuild. if his plan is indeed "4-5 yrs away" then for the short term a ward or upshall good, but pitlick and hamilton may be the fit by the time hell freezes over...otherwise known as the time dithers lead us to the promise land.

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#44 Ender
May 12 2011, 09:45AM
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We still have too many top-six players on the team, and we may well be drafting another one. My money is on the bet that the Oilers will try to roll out three scoring lines (yet again) this year instead of going the traditional 3rd line checkers and the 4th line goon squad/energy line. If they do, they're likely to figure they only need 3-4 of those guys like Jones and Harski. Stortini and O'Marra are probably going to get one-way deals, and Vande Velde may play his way onto the squad. I don't know what Renney figures to do with Reddox.

I like a lot of the guys Jason points to as bottom six candidates. I'm just thinking the Oilers may not be out shoppping as hard for them as some people think they should be.

Bergeron being out of the Boston series means Seguin is in. It will be interesting seeing how Tyler handles the pressure of a big game in the Show.

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#45 Mojo
May 12 2011, 09:53AM
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Had to do a double take on the writer of the article, I coulda swore I heard Gregor on his show last year talking about how Datsyuk wasnt in his top list of NHLers... you just didnt see it. You've finally seen the light?

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#46 mayorpoop
May 12 2011, 09:57AM
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Truth wrote:

I sure hope Jones doesn't get a overpriced long contract. I feel like year was just an anomaly.

In my opinion, a $2.5 million one year deal would be better than a $1.5/yr for 4 or 5 years.

If he repeats his peformance give him an extended contract. The Oilers have been burned too many times on giving guys long contracts for one year of performance.

the only problem with that contract at one yr is that it then becomes an expected wage for the numbers he produced.

3/yr 1.2-1.4 is something that is acceptable to me. we need to stop denying possible returns on a player for one to two hundred thousand a year.

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#47 Wax Man Riley
May 12 2011, 09:59AM
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not today my friends.

I gave you props for just bringing attention to our hallowed tradition.

I agree with Ender on this one. I think the Oil will once again try 3 scoring lines. This doesn't leave much room for bottom six-ers. I'd like so see Jones back, I liked that he worked hard every shift as well, he seems to actually like it in Edmonton. Those are 2 traits that we need more of, and that hopefully will be contagious.

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#48 madjam
May 12 2011, 10:01AM
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It was an error to let the same people that leaked the toxic environment for public consumption to handle the rebuild . They should have denied it, and worked feverishly to rid themselves of it while the players value was still at a reasonable rate to procur at least a few decent replacements . It should have remained internal or restricted just to Souray in retrospect . Instead , they let entire team get thrown under the bus .

It's no wonder why no one wants to come here . If Katz(back then) had tried a move to help situation by making management the fall guy, and by bringing in a new managerial team , then i rather doubt we would be in such an adversarial or negative position we are in today .

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#49 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 12 2011, 10:07AM
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"a possible surprise waiver wire pick up"

This is one thing that really disapointed me this year. Theirs been lots of quality NHL'ers plucked off the waiver wire the past few years. What a waste not getting anyone when we had "1st pick".

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#50 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 12 2011, 10:09AM
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mayorpoop wrote:

the only problem with that contract at one yr is that it then becomes an expected wage for the numbers he produced.

3/yr 1.2-1.4 is something that is acceptable to me. we need to stop denying possible returns on a player for one to two hundred thousand a year.

Is their more then 1-2 3rd/4th liners league wide that have recieved 4-5 year contracts recently?

I don't think that's really a worry. A 2, maybe 3 year contract is much more likely.

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