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Lowetide
May 22 2011 08:39AM

This is Jeff Petry. With the enormous graduating class of 2010-11, the skilled defender finally makes his way to the top of the team's prospect list.
 

One of the things I've done at Lowetide that people seem to enjoy is a top 20 list. The winter edition is the one that goes in depth, with the summer top 20 a snapshot of the available talent gathered together by the procurement department. The final top 20 will appear the Sunday after this season's entry draft, but I always like to do a list that sheds the graduates and shines a light on some of the less famous kids. Here's the 20, pre-draft. Winter numbers in brackets, I count any player beyond 50 games as a graduate. This year's class includes Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, MPS, Linus Omark, Devan Dubnyk, Taylor Chorney and Theo Peckham. Man that's a lot of talent.

  1. (12) D Jeff Petry. Mobile defender with a wide range of skills, has shown enough already to suggest the Oilers have a legit top 4 talent here. Young man with size, mobility and intelligence. They don't grow on trees. Jeff Petry's development may hold the key to Edmonton's decision to pass over Adam Larsson in favor of a forward (should the choose to do so).
  2. (17) L Teemu Hartikainen. Wow. Just wow. Hartikainen showed well when called up at the end of a very successful AHL rookie season. A wonderful prospect with size, skill and hands. Hartikainen was not a highly touted prospect and his draft day scouting report suggested foot speed would be his anchor. That didn't look like a problem during his late season audition.
  3. (6) L Curtis Hamilton. Young WHL winger turned on the offense in November (11gp, 9-11-20) and never stopped impressing from there through season's end. A WJC invite turned into a roster spot and an effective two weeks playing for Canada. A smart, 2-way winger with a good motor. Curtis Hamilton is exactly what the Oilers need on the wing.
  4. (9) C Anton Lander. The future 3line center enjoyed a strong season in the Swedish Elite League which included a marked increase in offensive production. Depending on what happens this summer, he could push for NHL employment as early as this fall.
  5. (4) D Martin Marincin. An outstanding start to his WHL season (first half: 33gp, 10-25-35 +6) gave way to struggles in the second half (34gp, 4-17-21 -18) for the lanky rearguard. Good skater, nice range of skills. He needs to fill out that frame, gain strength and play more consistently.
  6. (12) G Tyler Bunz. What I don't know about goalies is pretty much everything, but he had a big season. BIG season. His SP (.919) ranked among the WHL's best and he showed very well in the playoffs (although he did sustain an injury). Oilers don't fast track goaltenders so it's going to be awhile (Roy will get his shot first, it's shaping us as another JDD-DD match). But the arrows are strong.
  7. (7) R Tyler Pitlick. PF prospect suffered a late season injury and played the entire season on the wing. His offense was a little shy, but  the boxcars (56gp, 27-35-62) ranked him 3rd among WHL rookies and his EV stats (56gp, 22-19-41) suggest he might be a player. His 22 EV goals rank him 2nd among Tigers during the regular season despite missing several games and playing only sporadically on the big scoring line.
  8. (15) G Olivier Roy. Solid technical goaltender lacks the size most NHL teams look for in their starters (he's listed at 6,00, 180 so he's not an imp). Butterfly type, he ran hot and cold all year long but looks like a legit pro prospect. Oilers have signed him, and if things go according to Hoyle the club will have Roy spend at least part of the season in Stockton (ECHL).
  9. (14) C Chris VandeVelde. Looked pedestrian based on AHL numbers, but his coach defended his play and there was anecdotal evidence VandeVelde was being used as a tough-line match up. His play when called to the NHL was solid and helped his final number on this list.
  10. (19) D Jeremie Blain. Impressive season for lanky defender. Although he took forever to recover from injury, once he did Blain showed a nice range of skills and reports have him being vital to the team's success. Oilers think he'll fill out and he could be a late round gem down the line.
  11. (NR) D Colten Teubert. Tough defender is a real throwback and an intimidating player. Thunderous hits and a mean streak make him somewhat unique and his role as an enforcer is backed up by the ability to play a regular shift. Unlikely to impact at the NHL level next season, he should see a cup of coffee during 11-12.
  12. (13) C Ryan Martindale. Enjoyed a very strong OHL season and looks ready to turn pro. Has not signed a contract with the Oilers, so that's something to follow this spring. Played on a very famous line and delivered impressive numbers. His issues had mostly to do with consistency so the offensive output would seem to answer that question.
  13. (10) D Alex Plante. Enjoyed a much stronger season in 10-11 at the AHL level, but has been unable to jump the queue. Petry, Peckham and Chorney have held serve, and although Plante has not been passed by draft picks taken later, it's also true that the organization felt a need to trade for a similar player (Colten Teubert). I think Plante may be in a little trouble as an Oilers prospect.
  14. (18) D Brandon Davidson. Late bloomer has calm feet and can move the puck expertly at junior level. Knock on him was skating but he seems to have improved enough for it to be a non-issue in the WHL. Played 2 AHL games on a PTO (professional tryout) and early returns were positive.
  15. (NR) L Drew Czerwonka. Big man impressed with rugged style and surge offensively. Part of a surprising Kootenay Ice team, we have to wonder a little about the offense but he does seem to have decent hands. If Czerwonka emerged as a legit PF prospect, Stu MacGregor should receive the Nobel Prize.
  16. (NR) R Toni Rajala. Undersized skill winger had a solid year in Finland. Teenagers often get benched for long periods in the SM-Liiga (ask Jani Rita) so the fact that Rajala played a regular shift in 44 games bodes well.
  17. (NR) C Tanner House. The Oilers might have something here. A nice range of skills, including a solid defensive rep plus he delivered in a very short period in OKC (6gp, 1-4-5 at the tail end of the regular season). One never knows, but he could fast track to the NHL should Lander show signs he needs AHL time and VandeVelde falters in TC. A very nice signing by the Oilers.
  18. (NR) C Milan Kytnar. Enjoyed a solid first year pro after spending an extra year in junior. Kytnar didn't see a lot of post-season action, perhaps a reflection of his status once all those prospects were sent down from Edmonton at the end of the season. A player to watch in 2011-12, he certainly surprised with his quality of play in OKC.
  19. (NR) D Kyle Bigos. Huge defender (6.05, 230) had another solid year for Merrimack (NCAA). Scouting reports have him playing heavy minutes in all disciplines, so it looks like the Oilers may have at least an AHL regular in the big man. It'll be years before we know the entire story.
  20. (NR) C Mark Arcobello. Not on the radar to begin the season, the undersized center forced his way up the OKC depth chart upon his arrival. An absolute long shot to have an NHL career, there are Frank St. Marseille's every once in awhile and this guy might be one.


 

 

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#1 pelhem grenville
May 22 2011, 08:41AM
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...no way

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#2 pelhem grenville
May 22 2011, 08:48AM
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...Petry IS..."the key to Edmonton's decision to pass over Adam Larsson in favor of a forward..."

nice piece LT...realistically how far off is Marincin?

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#3 YFC Prez
May 22 2011, 08:48AM
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the backhanded fist shutdown...nice! Not too sure how long Petry will be on the prospect list, if he's not on the roster full time next season I will be very surprised.

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#5 pelhem grenville
May 22 2011, 08:56AM
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...my goodness with all these really descent prospects we might have our "next Pronger" wrapped up in 4 0r 5 dmen!

next year at this time?we go after Ryan Suter...

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#6 pelhem grenville
May 22 2011, 08:59AM
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...and so LT ...was this piece in the can ready to go? in case there was no 'rapture'?

was Wanye taken?

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#7 madjam
May 22 2011, 09:20AM
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Hajlmarsson for Smid seems a likely candidate for trade for Oilers . It almost happened at trade deadline apparantly . Maybe it will be revisited ?

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#8 @NateInVegas
May 22 2011, 09:22AM
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Where does Curtis Hamilton fit in with the Oilers?

Edmonton's position of strength moving forward is on LW. Hall, Paajarvi, Hartikainen, and Hamilton look like a solid young group.

I see Hamilton as a 4th LW with PK ability, but don't expect his WHL scoring to translate at the NHL level.

Maybe one of Paajarvi/Hamilton/Hartikainen can move to RW?

(Probably depends on what happens with Hemsky)

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#9 fuck off
May 22 2011, 09:32AM
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@@NateInVegas

Or Hall could move to C?

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#10 Archaeologuy
May 22 2011, 09:38AM
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My bet is Hamilton is one of the first call-ups when injury strikes. He just seems to play the game the right way for coaches to hand him playing time. Im really hoping that Pitlick can break out this season too, a lot of people are hanging their hopes on him one day beating Gagner for the 2C spot. Im not one of those people, but healthy competition for it would be excellent.

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#11 DangerMan
May 22 2011, 09:41AM
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I think the hope is one of Hartikainen or Hamilton eventually turn into a 2nd line player and churn out some offense.

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#12 justDOit
May 22 2011, 09:59AM
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Isn't Hamilton's main knock right now his skating? He definitely wasn't skating anywhere near NHL levels during the WJHCs.

I've read that Martindale has motivation issues, and sometimes plays well beneath his size. Did he overcome that this year?

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#13 rickithebear
May 22 2011, 10:26AM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Where does Curtis Hamilton fit in with the Oilers?

Edmonton's position of strength moving forward is on LW. Hall, Paajarvi, Hartikainen, and Hamilton look like a solid young group.

I see Hamilton as a 4th LW with PK ability, but don't expect his WHL scoring to translate at the NHL level.

Maybe one of Paajarvi/Hamilton/Hartikainen can move to RW?

(Probably depends on what happens with Hemsky)

Nate: nice analysis!

the organization needs size and two way play. Hall and Eberle playing with Horc shows two ends of the ice.

Hamilton, Lander, Pitlick is a future two way line of 40-50 point forwards. amazing

tough decisions in 3-4 years.

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#14 Wanye
May 22 2011, 11:21AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...and so LT ...was this piece in the can ready to go? in case there was no 'rapture'?

was Wanye taken?

PRESENT AND NON RAPTURED SIR!

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#15 spOILer
May 22 2011, 11:36AM
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I believe everyone is thinking of Pitlick as a RWer instead of a C at this time, which does me just fine considering the lack of size (and depth) on the starboard side.

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#16 @NateInVegas
May 22 2011, 11:54AM
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The Oilers depth at Center is my biggest concern.

If they intend on going forward with Gagner,Horcoff,Lander,Pitlick down the middle Edmonton will get a lotto pick annually.

You can't win a Stanley Cup with 3 centers scoring under 60 points a year. It's also why Edmonton should favor Nugent-Hopkins over Couturier at the draft.

C1-RNH C1A-Hall C2Lander C3Horcoff is a best case scenario by the time the Oilers move to RX2.

This is Sam Gagner's make it or break it season with the Oilers. What does Sam do REALLY well?

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#17 spOILer
May 22 2011, 12:01PM
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Score points. He's had a lovely start to his career, but I would prefer to see him on the wing.

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#18 Pilgor09
May 22 2011, 12:17PM
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spOILer wrote:

Score points. He's had a lovely start to his career, but I would prefer to see him on the wing.

He hasn't improved in any area since his rookie season. He also seems to be injury prone these last couple years. He's slow, weak on the puck, soft shot, and shoots over the net every time. I'm not a Gagner supporter.

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#21 Shaundoe
May 22 2011, 12:36PM
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Pilgor09 wrote:

He hasn't improved in any area since his rookie season. He also seems to be injury prone these last couple years. He's slow, weak on the puck, soft shot, and shoots over the net every time. I'm not a Gagner supporter.

Don't think you can pin this years injury on Sam being fragile, unless he willingly placed his hand under Jones' skate blade, which I doubt he did... or DID he?!

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#22 GorillazXL
May 22 2011, 12:55PM
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(17) L Teemu Hartikainen. Wow. Just wow. Hartikainen showed well when called up at the end of a very successful AHL rookie season. A wonderful prospect with size, skill and hands. Hartikainen was not a highly touted prospect and his draft day scouting report suggested foot speed would be his anchor. That didn't look like a problem during his late season audition.

Hmmm foot speed eh??? Is this the same "career limiting" foot speed that has Sean Couturier fall so much further than RNH? But you can't improve foot speed with with training. Jarret Stoll never improved his foot speed and neither did Shawn Horcoff.

GXL

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#23 pelhem grenville
May 22 2011, 12:59PM
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@Wanye

my liege...there were unsubstantiated reports that you were ready for the rapture in St.Paul where you were spotted handing out pamphlets with your dancing bear...i am happy there was no rapture and that you are still amongst us ...

LT ...ditto

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#24 OilFan
May 22 2011, 01:00PM
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I'm not a Sam supporter at all. But I think they would keep him untill the rookie prove they are better ? If they can make a trade sending Sam and Gilbert away for a PROVEN center take it.

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#25 DangerMan
May 22 2011, 01:12PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Gagner has certainly made progress. I think he's a guy the Oilers should hold onto; he's certainly young enough to be included in the Hall cluster.

I'd definitely hang on to Gagner as well. Unless, of course, Bogosian is coming back, then a hard decision would have to be made but one where I'd pull the trigger on.

But as it stands right now, the Oilers are better with Gagner than without him. As much as people harp on Gagner's offense, if he could ever find a way to be better defensively, I think the offense would come. Its kind of a basketball analogy.

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#26 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 22 2011, 01:37PM
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Wouldn't that be something if Hamilton made this team in September, don't think it's all that much of a stretch. If he has a better camp than Paajarvi and Harsky i'd keep him up here.

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#27 Dog Train
May 22 2011, 01:58PM
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I like the way that we handle our goaltenders. With our own AHL teams these days, the 'tenders should have to prove themselves at every step along the way.

It seems to me that we have a plethora of big, physical dmen. If we take Nugent-Hopkins and trade up with a team like Columbus, I would love to add a high-end offensive guy on the backend like Ryan Murphy. I think our prospect pool has everything but a number one center and a big time PP quarterback.

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#28 spOILer
May 22 2011, 02:12PM
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Not sure how many 21 going on 22 year olds have scored 173 points in their NHL career. Gagner has faced stiffer competition as he's gone along and has already babysat rookies. He made the move from W to C at a very early age.

I'm not against improving any asset, but I'd like to keep this one a little while longer and see where he goes. Any player can plateau at any time, but given what this one has done at the ages he's done it, his potential top end is still pretty high.

Just not at C.

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#29 Puritania
May 22 2011, 02:50PM
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Wanye wrote:

PRESENT AND NON RAPTURED SIR!

Heathen!

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#30 eskimo44
May 22 2011, 02:51PM
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Sam Gagner is 7 months older than Eberle, scores at almost the same rate playing a harder position, and is miles ahead of your typical 21 year old yet we should get rid of him? Thats dumb, in fact at this same point in his carrer henrik (MVP) sedin wasn't even coming close to his numbers. And BTW his dad broke out at 24, and most centers come around at that age. By far and away, along with Gilbert, the most underappreciated oiler. Oh, and Alex Plante just turned 22, i think when the oilers took him they envisioned him being a bit of a project. Give him 1 more year at the AHL and 2 at the NHL before you cut bait with a well rounded 6'4 d-man. Not many d-man play as well as he has in his 20 and 21 year old seasons. Hell Jeff Petry was in the USHL at 20 i believe.

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#31 spOILer
May 22 2011, 03:25PM
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Tanner House is the biggest surprise on the list to my eyes.

It's amazing, though, when you graduate players as fast as the Oilers have, how quickly the list thins out.

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#32 thebiggestmanintheworld
May 22 2011, 03:36PM
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Should be fun to watch these guys develop next year. OKC should be in for a longer playoff run next year maybe? Hope Tuebert turns some heads(or knocks 'em off)

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#33 PaperDesigner
May 22 2011, 03:38PM
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@Lowetide

Hey Lowetide, what's your line in the sand for a prospect? 40 games? Just curious since you have Petry on here, but not Omark.

Incidentally, where would you slot Omark if he was still eligible?

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#34 Archaeologuy
May 22 2011, 04:30PM
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@PaperDesigner

He said 50 games in the article

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#35 DSF
May 22 2011, 05:06PM
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eskimo44 wrote:

Sam Gagner is 7 months older than Eberle, scores at almost the same rate playing a harder position, and is miles ahead of your typical 21 year old yet we should get rid of him? Thats dumb, in fact at this same point in his carrer henrik (MVP) sedin wasn't even coming close to his numbers. And BTW his dad broke out at 24, and most centers come around at that age. By far and away, along with Gilbert, the most underappreciated oiler. Oh, and Alex Plante just turned 22, i think when the oilers took him they envisioned him being a bit of a project. Give him 1 more year at the AHL and 2 at the NHL before you cut bait with a well rounded 6'4 d-man. Not many d-man play as well as he has in his 20 and 21 year old seasons. Hell Jeff Petry was in the USHL at 20 i believe.

" his dad broke out at 24 and most centres come around at "that age"

Based on what?

How do you account for:

Stamkos,

Tavares,

Duchene,

Statsny,

Kopitar,

Richards,

Krejci,

Backstrom,

Skinner,

Bergeron,

Spezza,

Couture,

It would appear "breaking out" before the age of 24 is the rule rather than the exception.

Don't be furthering any urban legends :)

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#36 TigerUnderGlass
May 22 2011, 05:56PM
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@DSF

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/669854-edmonton-oilers-dont-trade-same-gagner-unless-the-universe-is-your-reward

I'm not specifically defending the "breakout at 24" position but you have to know that pointing out a few names and calling anything else the exception is ridiculous.

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#37 Archaeologuy
May 22 2011, 06:02PM
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Gagner is listed 48th in NHL scoring by centremen. If you consider scoring the most important aspect of a top 6 forward's job then he is right in the middle of the pack for 2nd line guys, and that's with an injury shortened year.

The Oil will still need a 2C when RNH takes over as 1C and Horc isnt getting any younger. There is absolutely no need to get rid of him now. If he hits a plateau in his development offensively, he is still a decent 2nd liner. He is not a failed pick, or a bust, he just wont be winning the Art Ross any time soon.

He still has more than enough time to develop into a better scorer, work on his skating (which is NOT slow, just average), and get better defensively. Those are things every player works on. There is no reason to move him unless theres a deal that cant be passed over because there isnt anyone ready to take Gagner's spot, even if RNH is drafted.

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#38 Craig1981
May 22 2011, 06:30PM
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@DSF

You made his point. A bunch of those players you mentioned didn't come on sstrong till their mid 20's. Spezza and couture didn't even play full seasons their first year. Very few of the players you listed played the year they were drafted and were dominate when they did enter. (Adding 1st overalls wasn't fair since they are something specialy).....but even joe thortan had troubles as a 1st

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#39 DSF
May 22 2011, 06:48PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/669854-edmonton-oilers-dont-trade-same-gagner-unless-the-universe-is-your-reward

I'm not specifically defending the "breakout at 24" position but you have to know that pointing out a few names and calling anything else the exception is ridiculous.

Except that It is the exception since the lockout.

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#40 DSF
May 22 2011, 06:55PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

You made his point. A bunch of those players you mentioned didn't come on sstrong till their mid 20's. Spezza and couture didn't even play full seasons their first year. Very few of the players you listed played the year they were drafted and were dominate when they did enter. (Adding 1st overalls wasn't fair since they are something specialy).....but even joe thortan had troubles as a 1st

You need to do a little research Sparky.

Spezza scored 90 points in the NHL as a 22 year old.

Couture IS 22 NOT 24 and I would think his rookie season could be considered a "breakout" since he managed to score 32 goals.

He may be better as a 24 year old but holding that out as the bar for when centres break out is ridiculous.

The good ones do it much earlier although there are exceptions.

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#41 eskimo44
May 22 2011, 07:41PM
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First off i never said no centers break out before 24. Stamkos(1), Tavares(1), Duchene(3), Backstrom(4), Spezza(2) all went in the first 4 picks and are extreme exceptions to any example, naming 5 of the best centers in the world hardly quantifies as a rule. Paul Statsny is an exception to what i said, however his lineage is that of one of the greatest international hockey players of all time(Peter), and again is one of the best centers in the world. Bergerons best season came at 20 and was exceptional in comparison to his years since(he only had 57pts this year). Kopitar had 61 pts in his rookie year(19) but i would argue he hasn't broken out yet relative to his potential, and as the highest ranking European skater in the 2005 NHL Draft he went much lower than he would have had he been born in a traditonal hockey country. David Krejci had 27 pts in his 21 year old season. Brad Richards 62 pts in his 20 and 21 year old seasons, and playing in the southeast i would argue doesn't put him much past Gagner at this point, but again he is one of the best in the world. Couture, a full 6 monts older scored at .7 pts/g to Gagner's .61, playing on a much better team with much better players and adequete help down the middle. And DSF telling Sparky to do research when you listed Skinner (who may be generational in talent) in your rebuttal, despite his playing LW is a little funny;). Most centers haven't even made the NHL at Gagner's current age, so i don't know how you can argue against my point that MOST centers break out after 24.

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#42 Justin R
May 22 2011, 07:51PM
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I am going to jump in here because I think this in an intriguing argument.

I agree that it is wrong to write off Sam Gagner as a failure this early in his career. There is a lot of time between now and Samwise's prime. But I also think it is extremely optimistic to think that he will "break out" to become even a 70-80 point player. I think DSF is correct in the sense that most of the high scoring centermen do not take 3, 4 or 5 years to start scoring in the NHL. Sometimes you have it or you don't.

Me? I think Gagner is going to be a very valuable player and trading him would be a mistake. A player with Gagner's on-ice awareness and playmaking ability adds up to a potentially good to great 2nd line center.

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#43 eskimo44
May 22 2011, 07:58PM
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Based on what? http://www.quanthockey.com/Distributions/RookieAgeDistribution.php

It shows the average age of rookies by decade,and combining common sense we know most players don't typically break out in their rookie and sophmore seasons. Add that to the fact wingers typicaly make the leap to the NHL quicker than centers, not to mention the many centers that play on the wing their first few years. We should be able to reasonably acertain that Gagner is in fact ahead of the curve. P.S. click the Forwards and 2000's circles on the 1st chart to see the results i'm referring to. Again thanks to all who have and will debate this.

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#44 DSF
May 22 2011, 07:59PM
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eskimo44 wrote:

First off i never said no centers break out before 24. Stamkos(1), Tavares(1), Duchene(3), Backstrom(4), Spezza(2) all went in the first 4 picks and are extreme exceptions to any example, naming 5 of the best centers in the world hardly quantifies as a rule. Paul Statsny is an exception to what i said, however his lineage is that of one of the greatest international hockey players of all time(Peter), and again is one of the best centers in the world. Bergerons best season came at 20 and was exceptional in comparison to his years since(he only had 57pts this year). Kopitar had 61 pts in his rookie year(19) but i would argue he hasn't broken out yet relative to his potential, and as the highest ranking European skater in the 2005 NHL Draft he went much lower than he would have had he been born in a traditonal hockey country. David Krejci had 27 pts in his 21 year old season. Brad Richards 62 pts in his 20 and 21 year old seasons, and playing in the southeast i would argue doesn't put him much past Gagner at this point, but again he is one of the best in the world. Couture, a full 6 monts older scored at .7 pts/g to Gagner's .61, playing on a much better team with much better players and adequete help down the middle. And DSF telling Sparky to do research when you listed Skinner (who may be generational in talent) in your rebuttal, despite his playing LW is a little funny;). Most centers haven't even made the NHL at Gagner's current age, so i don't know how you can argue against my point that MOST centers break out after 24.

@eskimo 44.

Name all the centres since the lockout, when the cap dictates that teams are getting younger, all the centres who "broke out" after 24.

Be specific.

Most top centres HAVE made the NHL at Gagner's current age and most of them have left him in the dust.

If you want to argue he is a second tier talent unlike those who experienced success at an earlier age, fine, just don't argue that centres don't "break out" until they're the same age as Gagner's Dad was.

That's a ridiculous argument.

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#45 Archaeologuy
May 22 2011, 08:11PM
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@DSF

Kesler, Datsyuk, Sedin, and Sharp are a few, although you're limiting a lot of players by chosing to focus on the recent past. Despite changes in the CBA that push players into the NHL sooner, I doubt players develop sooner than they did pre-lockout.

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#46 eskimo44
May 22 2011, 08:16PM
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First off what you're asking is ridiculous, i have a life. Secondly, i never said that centres "don't" break out before 24, i said most centers don't. And their was no allusion to "top centers" in my original post as argued in your post, i only refrenced Sedin to make my point of young centers taking time to develop. And if you look at the chart in the link of my third post its proven by the stats that most centers don't even make the league at Gagners age let alone break out. And on a personal note i enjoy debating, and in fact being a humble human being i would have no problem being wrong, although i don't think i am. Maybe it's just me but you come across as rude and condecending for no reason, and thats besides your trying to turn my original point to a black and white argument diffrent from what i had originaly said. I took the time to rebut you're argument (even thanked you for making one) so instead of trying to convulate my statements into something that fits your original argument maybe try to respond to my rebuttals.

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#47 eskimo44
May 22 2011, 08:19PM
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Savard, Datsuyk, Zetterburg, Briere.

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#48 DSF
May 22 2011, 08:56PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Kesler, Datsyuk, Sedin, and Sharp are a few, although you're limiting a lot of players by chosing to focus on the recent past. Despite changes in the CBA that push players into the NHL sooner, I doubt players develop sooner than they did pre-lockout.

I think they do.

They have to.

I'll buy your Datsyuk and Sedin but not your Kesler and Sharp.

Both Kesler and Sharp were used in defensive roles early on.

Sam Wellwood can't play defense...he's getting killed.

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#49 Archaeologuy
May 22 2011, 09:52PM
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@DSF

Youre making some pretty serious exceptions there

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#50 russ99
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If the Oilers decide on Larsson due to Petry, that would be remarkably short sighted.

IMO they bring two different things to the table. Petry is a puck mover first, and a defensive defenseman second while Larsson is a lockdown defender first and a puck mover second.

There will be a time down the road when the Oilers hit a cap crunch after this year's kids finish their ELC. At that point (if not before) Petry could be Gilbert's replacement.

If they pick Larsson it will be on his merits as a potential franchise defenseman, which is still badly needed in this system.

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