The Ugliest Problem Of Them All

Jonathan Willis
May 26 2011 01:41PM

The Edmonton Oilers have a major problem. Actually, given that they’ve been the worst team in the league over the last two years, and they have a solid track record of simply atrocious management since the 2006 Stanley Cup Final, they have a lot of major problems, but one of them towers above the rest: the defense corps.

While the Oilers’ forwards are still on an uphill curve, there is at least some major talent to work with. Taylor Hall is a star in the making, Jordan Eberle wildly surpassed expectations in his rookie season, and others like Mangus Paajarvi, Sam Gagner, Linus Omark and Andrew Cogliano could find roles going forward.

On the blueline, there is no such wealth of young talent. Theo Peckham had a good rookie season, but realistically he’s probably not a regular on a contending team right now, and the road to becoming a top-end shutdown defenseman is both long and uncertain. Martin Marincin had a slower second half to his WHL season, and is years away from regular NHL duty and even further away from being an impact defenseman – assuming that he ever is. Jeff Petry is the closest of the Oilers’ three to being a top-four defenseman; he boasts size and displayed a wide range of skills in his NHL debut, but it would be unwise to lean on him at this point, or do anything more than pencil him in going forward.

This leaves the Oilers with essentially two top-four defenseman. Ladislav Smid, Kurtis Foster, and (assuming he is re-signed) Jim Vandermeer all have good points, but all also have serious flaws that prevent them from being more than depth contributors. I still have some slight hope that Smid will develop into a player capable of complementing another defender on the second pairing, but as it stands he is in over his head on the second pairing.

Tom Gilbert was a popular whipping boy this year; style certainly played a role but I can’t help feeling the fact that he was thrown in way over his head as the team’s number one shutdown defenseman played a role. Gilbert’s been at his best in the past on the second pairing – in a role where he could focus a little more on offense and not have to handle the opposing team’s top lines all the time. Meanwhile, Ryan Whitney had a great year, but the planets aligned to make that happen and he will have difficulty repeating it. Not only that, but he got a disproportionate percentage of offensive zone starts – the point here is not to denigrate Whitney, but simply acknowledge that he wasn’t playing the toughest minutes.

Basically, the team needs an entire top pairing transplanted in, or if we make a pile of favourable assumptions (Whitney stays healthy, Gilbert rebounds, Petry, Smid and Peckham all develop) they might squeak by with just one top defender.

Where will they get that/those defenseman/men? I don’t know. I know Sheldon Souray isn’t the answer, and I have serious doubts that taking a player like Adam Larsson this year will get the job done (because of the typical development curve for defensemen, and based on some of the mixed reviews he has received). That leaves trade or free agency, though the latter has not treated the Oilers well the last few years and the former would require management to do something other than try to lose.

I may not know what the Oilers are going to do, but I do know this: the team needs to address the problem before they can seriously contend.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 OilFan
May 26 2011, 07:10PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Has anyone brought up the fact that Tom Gilbert NEVER hits and is the wussiest wuss that ever wussed out yet?

Thank you.

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#52 Brad
May 26 2011, 07:13PM
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OilFan wrote:

Thank you.

See post 50

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#53 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 07:30PM
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@Brad

I think it would be more telling to compare Gilberts hit totals to those of other Dmen on the Oilers. Like those of my fav Oiler Theo Peckham. Actually Theo's hit totals would make any other Oilers hit totals look bad.

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#54 sizedoesmatter
May 26 2011, 07:30PM
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What a glass half empty story

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#55 ItsTheBGB
May 26 2011, 07:32PM
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DSF wrote:

Maybe...but I can't really see Poile not keeping both Weber and Suter.

Nashville just received revenue from two playoff series and I would think they would want to capitalize on that and try and make it three series in the future.

Hemsky and Gagner for Blum works for me.

(waits for the howls of protest that Gagner is the next Doug Gilmour)

lolwut?

At the trade deadline we almost traded Smid for Blum straight up. You must be joking!

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#56 DSF
May 26 2011, 07:38PM
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ItsTheBGB wrote:

lolwut?

At the trade deadline we almost traded Smid for Blum straight up. You must be joking!

Really?

Wonder why that didn't happen?

Phone lines were down or Lowe thinks Smid is going to be a first pairing defenseman?

I guess the latter is more likely to be true.

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#57 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 07:46PM
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Blum and Smid will probably have comparable careers. Trading Hemsky and Gags for Blum would make Boston's return on Kessel look like Steven Rice.

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#58 Team Couturier
May 26 2011, 07:50PM
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I think you have to draft the Nuge or Couturier, and then work those phones like mad dangling Gags or Hemmer for a legit defensive prospect. If you trade Hemmer AND Gags for Bogosian, not bad I say. Then you have a legit top line center (Nuge), a legit top line winger (Hall), and a legit first pairing defenseman (Bogo) at the prospect level. Bodes well for the future, doesnt it? Makes us comparable to Stanley Cup champs from years previous in about 4 years.

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#59 Oilcruzer
May 26 2011, 07:59PM
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Defense lives or dies with team defensive play, puck control, and goaltending.

If you have the best D talent in the league... And If you don't work together, And if you give up bad goals,

Your six elite D are basically useless to you.

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#60 CanaDave
May 26 2011, 08:02PM
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I don't know why any veteran NHL player period would want to sign with the Oilers after seeing how they treated Souray. I don't think that Souray handled his business very well, but Tambo responding how he did still strikes me as a purely egotistical move on his part.

I still think that Tambo would actually gain respect around the league and in his own locker room by saying publicly that Souray is invited and welcomed to training camp to try and earn a roster spot, and if in the eyes of the coaches he's one of the top 6 defencemen in camp, he'll be on the opening day roster. Buying him out proves nothing to me except for that Tambo is unable to get over himself and slights towards him personally and that he's willing to let the organization suffer for the sake of his own grudge.

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#61 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 08:04PM
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Team Couturier wrote:

I think you have to draft the Nuge or Couturier, and then work those phones like mad dangling Gags or Hemmer for a legit defensive prospect. If you trade Hemmer AND Gags for Bogosian, not bad I say. Then you have a legit top line center (Nuge), a legit top line winger (Hall), and a legit first pairing defenseman (Bogo) at the prospect level. Bodes well for the future, doesnt it? Makes us comparable to Stanley Cup champs from years previous in about 4 years.

I understand that it would be wise to try and fill some holes using players from positions that have more depth but Gagner in his first 4 years in the NHL has more points then each of the Sedin's in their first 4 years in the NHL and Kesler too. It could be argued that Gags also played with less quality linemates then those 3 did in their first 4 years as well.

This Season Gags was well on his way to a career year before getting injured and also did that centering 2 rookies for a large portion of the year as well(MP & LO).

Gagner will probably be a Career 2nd line center but he will be a good one & it is much too early to give up on Gags and I think we could pry Bogo with just Hemmer and say a 2nd round pick but I really don't see this trade happening anymore as the Thrashers are on their way into our division(in 1 or 2 years) and I don't see ether team trading these types of players within their division.

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#62 Oilers4ever
May 26 2011, 08:22PM
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ItsTheBGB wrote:

lolwut?

At the trade deadline we almost traded Smid for Blum straight up. You must be joking!

Yeah... sorry Hemsky and Gagner for Blum would be overpayment big time... Blum ain't that good.. sorry.. maybe Hemsky and Gagner for Suter and a 3rd round pick.... or better yet those two for Weber....

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#63 DSF
May 26 2011, 08:26PM
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Metal&Oil wrote:

Blum and Smid will probably have comparable careers. Trading Hemsky and Gags for Blum would make Boston's return on Kessel look like Steven Rice.

Phhhttt.

Blum scored 3 goals and 8 points in only 23 games (.35PPG) and was +8 as a 21 year old.

Smid scored 0 goals and 10 points (.12PPG) and was -10 as a 25 year old.

Smid has played in the NHL for 5 seasons and has 4 career goals. Blum has played in the NHL for 23 GAMES and has 3 career goals.

One of these is not like the other.

Getting anything for Smid would make Boston's return on Kessel look like Steven Rice.

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#64 DSF
May 26 2011, 08:29PM
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Oilers4ever wrote:

Yeah... sorry Hemsky and Gagner for Blum would be overpayment big time... Blum ain't that good.. sorry.. maybe Hemsky and Gagner for Suter and a 3rd round pick.... or better yet those two for Weber....

Hahaha...

An injury prone player on an expiring contract and Sam Wellwood for one of the top ten defensemen in the league.

Yeah, that should work. :)

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#65 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 08:42PM
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@DSF

I didn't say they would have similar numbers. Smid will never be a points guy. His job is to stop the other teams players from posting points. He is getting there, albeit at a very slow pace.

I thsink Smid and Blum will have similar careers in term of their value to their respective teams(maybe a slight edge goes to Blum right now but we have not seen enough of him in the NHL to know for sure). Dont forget that Blum was playing for a much better team with a much better goalie. If Smid was playing on the Preds he would have a +/- that would compare with that of Blum's, probably better with his experience factored in

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#66 Rem
May 26 2011, 08:51PM
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UFA Flames Anton Babchuk: just wait: still young: Age: 27 Height: 6-5 Weight: 212lbs NHL Seasons: 4 Good shot/35 pts w/11 goals +14

This would rank 1 on the oil last year. Flames won't be able to sign him, no cap room, hes played in alta, offer a longer term deal 4 year 7 - 9 million. he may turn into a great 3/4 d-man at a good price. And best yet he is off the radar right now.

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#67 DSF
May 26 2011, 08:57PM
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Metal&Oil wrote:

I didn't say they would have similar numbers. Smid will never be a points guy. His job is to stop the other teams players from posting points. He is getting there, albeit at a very slow pace.

I thsink Smid and Blum will have similar careers in term of their value to their respective teams(maybe a slight edge goes to Blum right now but we have not seen enough of him in the NHL to know for sure). Dont forget that Blum was playing for a much better team with a much better goalie. If Smid was playing on the Preds he would have a +/- that would compare with that of Blum's, probably better with his experience factored in

No he's not.

Saying Smid would be a better player if he was a member of the Preds is just goofy.

He couldn't make the team.

Weber-Suter Blum-Klein Franson-O'Brien.

Sorry, no room at the inn.

Ryan Ellis (11th overall pick is next up)

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#68 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 09:00PM
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DSF wrote:

No he's not.

Saying Smid would be a better player if he was a member of the Preds is just goofy.

He couldn't make the team.

Weber-Suter Blum-Klein Franson-O'Brien.

Sorry, no room at the inn.

Ryan Ellis (11th overall pick is next up)

I can see how intelligent you are based on how you reply to others opinions. Feel free to disagree with me all you what but Phhhttt and just goofy are not proper responses.

Phhhttt, not worth my time

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#69 NamelessNed
May 26 2011, 09:05PM
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easy fix, cogs for weber, hemsky for stamkos, horcoff for iginla, smid for chara, joey moss for magic beans, magic beans for a stanley cup...

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#70 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 26 2011, 09:06PM
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DSF wrote:

Hahaha...

An injury prone player on an expiring contract and Sam Wellwood for one of the top ten defensemen in the league.

Yeah, that should work. :)

I do think it's cute that you constantly refer to Gagner to Wellwood.

Just an FYI though, Gagner has the same career points at 21 as Wellwood has at 28.

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#71 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 26 2011, 09:07PM
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Brad wrote:

If Edmonton had Stamkos and Vinny or Sedin and Kelser instead of Horcoff and Gagner they would make the playoffs.

Edmonton's D ain't anything special but we've seen plenty of successful teams that got it done with a defense-by-committee.

Take Bieksa and Ehrhoff and throw them on the Oilers and they would look #4's at best.

Trade Vancouver Gagner and Horcoff for Sedin and Kelser and Vancouver's D wouldn't look so hot.

And if we had Seabrook and Kieth or Webber and Sutter instead of Vandemeer and Foster they would make the playoffs.

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#72 BlacqueJacque
May 26 2011, 09:10PM
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This is going to sound snarky but is meant as constructive criticism:

You stated the obvious.

That's it. You have to add a punchline of some kind to the article - a new look at things, a look at future options, a detailed look at how the Oilers might have gone differently in the past, etc.

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#73 Toro
May 26 2011, 09:15PM
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@Chris.

Hahahah DREAM ON! you know who else is high on Gudbransen? FLORIDA lol he was the 3rd overall pick behind Hall,and Seguin in last years draft and you guys honestly think Florida moving there 3rd this year and there 3rd last year to move up 2 spots in the draft and get a plug like Plante who aint even gonna pan out is worth it for them? I just cant believe how many of you actually thought that deal had a chance...

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#74 DSF
May 26 2011, 09:18PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I do think it's cute that you constantly refer to Gagner to Wellwood.

Just an FYI though, Gagner has the same career points at 21 as Wellwood has at 28.

Are you sure about that?

In his first 4 years in the NHL, Gagner has scored .59PPG In his first 4 years in the NHL, Wellwood scored .53 PPG.

That's far too close for comfort when you consider Wellwood was not being fed the primo icetime and PP minutes that Gagner has.

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#75 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 09:21PM
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@Toro

Yeah. That seems a lil far fetched to put it mildly. If we could pull of a trade like that then anything is possible. Souray and Horcoff for Stamkos anyone?

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#76 Dutchscooter
May 26 2011, 09:29PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Defense lives or dies with team defensive play, puck control, and goaltending.

If you have the best D talent in the league... And If you don't work together, And if you give up bad goals,

Your six elite D are basically useless to you.

See Flyers, Philadelphia this year. Without Pronger, they were nothing.

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#77 Team Hall
May 26 2011, 09:39PM
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@ Rem,

Nice idea buddy, I like it. Stealing Babchuk from the Flameballs would be sweet. Not only would he be the best defenseman we've had since Whitney, we would pay them back for that whole Glencross saga.

Good idea bud. Those are the kind of guys we should target, the off the radar types that we can overpay a little to get them here. Would help a tonne.

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#78 Crash
May 26 2011, 09:46PM
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DSF wrote:

Are you sure about that?

In his first 4 years in the NHL, Gagner has scored .59PPG In his first 4 years in the NHL, Wellwood scored .53 PPG.

That's far too close for comfort when you consider Wellwood was not being fed the primo icetime and PP minutes that Gagner has.

Gagner has had 4 yrs of producing in the league and still hasn't reached the age that Wellwood started his career.

Wellwood's first 4 yrs are "NOT" an equal comparison to Gagner's. He may have averaged .53PPG in his first 4 yrs but his first 4 yrs are age 22 to 26.

Get real with this it's far too close for comfort...it's not close one iota...Gagner and Wellwood both have 173 nhl points as of right now and Wellwood is 28yrs old....so you figure Gagner won't get anymore pts in the next 7 yrs?

Also where did you get this idea that Gagner has been fed the primo icetime and PP minutes. Gagner's first 4 seasons his avg on ice PP time has been 2:48, 3:03, 2:36 and 2:56 while Wellwood's was 3:14, 4:17, 3:01 and 3:03. Primo PP time goes to Wellwood, from age 22 to 26

Get a clue

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#79 Woodguy
May 26 2011, 09:49PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Has anyone brought up the fact that Tom Gilbert NEVER hits and is the wussiest wuss that ever wussed out yet?

The wussiest wuss that ever wussed out was 10th in the NHL in blocked shots.

Link : http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20112ALLSASAll&sort=blockedShots&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

What a pansy. Getting in front of 172 shots. Just doesn't have a man card does he?

Also,

Almost every single player on the Oilers this year had better scoring chances when they played with Gilbert than when they played without him.

Link: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/26/2191431/tom-gilbert-scoring-chances-2010-2011

Terrible Gilbert. Making all those players better.

I wish he skated over the puck and threw hits like JFJ. That would be a good hockey player.

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#80 misfit
May 26 2011, 09:51PM
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If this team had even two or three decent vetran forwards capable of playing responsible two-way hockey, I don't think the defense would look so bad.'

Though I do think we could use one more top 4 defenseman (right or left, it doesn't matter).

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#81 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 26 2011, 09:53PM
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DSF wrote:

Are you sure about that?

In his first 4 years in the NHL, Gagner has scored .59PPG In his first 4 years in the NHL, Wellwood scored .53 PPG.

That's far too close for comfort when you consider Wellwood was not being fed the primo icetime and PP minutes that Gagner has.

Ya I'm pretty sure.

I could be wrong but as far as I know 173 = 173

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#82 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 09:58PM
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Woodguy wrote:

The wussiest wuss that ever wussed out was 10th in the NHL in blocked shots.

Link : http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20112ALLSASAll&sort=blockedShots&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

What a pansy. Getting in front of 172 shots. Just doesn't have a man card does he?

Also,

Almost every single player on the Oilers this year had better scoring chances when they played with Gilbert than when they played without him.

Link: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/26/2191431/tom-gilbert-scoring-chances-2010-2011

Terrible Gilbert. Making all those players better.

I wish he skated over the puck and threw hits like JFJ. That would be a good hockey player.

His teammates probably had better scoring chances with Gibert on the ice because they were scared to death of having the puck enter the defensive zone and pressed harder in the offensive zone. Kinda kidding :)

I do rag on Gilbert a lot for his deficiencies but I do respect the good aspects of his game, including his shot blocking. It is something that he gets very little credit for.

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#83 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 26 2011, 10:08PM
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DSF wrote:

Are you sure about that?

In his first 4 years in the NHL, Gagner has scored .59PPG In his first 4 years in the NHL, Wellwood scored .53 PPG.

That's far too close for comfort when you consider Wellwood was not being fed the primo icetime and PP minutes that Gagner has.

Oh and Wellwoods PP min/game his first 4 years:

3:14

4:17

3:01

3:03

vs Gagner

2:48

3:03

2:36

2:56

Is that your game? Lying on the internet to try and prove your point?

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#84 rem
May 26 2011, 10:17PM
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Team Hall wrote:

@ Rem,

Nice idea buddy, I like it. Stealing Babchuk from the Flameballs would be sweet. Not only would he be the best defenseman we've had since Whitney, we would pay them back for that whole Glencross saga.

Good idea bud. Those are the kind of guys we should target, the off the radar types that we can overpay a little to get them here. Would help a tonne.

Thanks man, appreciate the feedback, I agree, glencross payback plus, lets consider if Babchuk @ 6.5 212, and only 27 he has some serious upside still

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#85 Archaeologuy
May 26 2011, 10:20PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

OB1 bringing the Heat!!

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#86 DSF
May 26 2011, 10:25PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Oh and Wellwoods PP min/game his first 4 years:

3:14

4:17

3:01

3:03

vs Gagner

2:48

3:03

2:36

2:56

Is that your game? Lying on the internet to try and prove your point?

Not sure where you're getting that info but Behind the Net has Gagner at 2.81/60 last season (second among Oiler forwards.)

But Kyle Wellwood, in his 4th NHL season, played 2.91/60.(5th among Canuck forwards)

Almost identical, which was my point.

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#87 Chris.
May 26 2011, 10:27PM
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@Toro

Oh I get it. Tallon wouldn't do a deal like that as a pure hockey deal... It would be insane. I'm suggesting that maybe Gudbransen could be had in some sort of deal that involved swapping picks so that the Panther's marketing department could get to work selling hope based on a first overall selection (much like we've seen in Oil country).

The first overall selection has a TONNE of prestige...and an American market (or the owner) may not understand/care that there isn't as very clear cut first overall selection. And Tallon is, after all, the same GM who forgot to qualify his RFA's right after crippling his club with ill advised contracts to Hossa, Campbell, and Huet (around which the team was marketed). The fact that Tallon's procurement department handed him enough great prospects after 10 years of sucking to win a single cup doesn't mean he's above making a mistake.

(Gudbransen's contract issue also has me somewhat intrigued)

Would you do the 1st and the 19th for Gudbransen and the 3rd with a toss in like Chorney? It might be worth a call.

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#88 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 10:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Not sure where you're getting that info but Behind the Net has Gagner at 2.81/60 last season (second among Oiler forwards.)

But Kyle Wellwood, in his 4th NHL season, played 2.91/60.(5th among Canuck forwards)

Almost identical, which was my point.

No, Your point said:

Wellwood was not being fed the primo icetime and PP minutes that Gagner has.

You seem to be kind of full of it. Anything to make your posts seem more accurate I guess LOL.

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#89 Chris.
May 26 2011, 10:50PM
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Metal&Oil wrote:

Yeah. That seems a lil far fetched to put it mildly. If we could pull of a trade like that then anything is possible. Souray and Horcoff for Stamkos anyone?

Far fetched? It depends on what value you place on dropping down two spots at the very top of the draft. Would you trade Hall for Gudbransen straight up? Hell no! Last year there was a big value gap between the player picked first, and the player picked third.

Make no mistake, there is a value gap this year also... And most GM's would rather come away from the draft with one franchise player than two solid roster guys. If Stu doesn't see much of a value gap this year, but for some reason the Panther scouts do... Perhaps Tambellini can extract a big overpayment for backing down to 3rd. It would kind of suck, though, if Stu blew the call and RNH turned into the next Hockey Jesus.

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#90 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 10:57PM
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Chris. wrote:

Far fetched? It depends on what value you place on dropping down two spots at the very top of the draft. Would you trade Hall for Gudbransen straight up? Hell no! Last year there was a big value gap between the player picked first, and the player picked third.

Make no mistake, there is a value gap this year also... And most GM's would rather come away from the draft with one franchise player than two solid roster guys. If Stu doesn't see much of a value gap this year, but for some reason the Panther scouts do... Perhaps Tambellini can extract a big overpayment for backing down to 3rd. It would kind of suck, though, if Stu blew the call and RNH turned into the next Hockey Jesus.

Ok. I guess it makes a lil more sense when you explain it like that. Good respone!!!

I will say this though. If you put Gubransen in this years draft class I think he would stand a fairly good chance of going 1st overall, maybe 2nd. The only or one of the reasons Gubs did not make the panthers this season is because they did not want to waste a year of his ELC and pay him all that money in a year where the Panthers did not have a very good chance of contending for a playoff spot.

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#91 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 26 2011, 11:05PM
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DSF wrote:

Not sure where you're getting that info but Behind the Net has Gagner at 2.81/60 last season (second among Oiler forwards.)

But Kyle Wellwood, in his 4th NHL season, played 2.91/60.(5th among Canuck forwards)

Almost identical, which was my point.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

I got my numbers from NHL.com because we were talking about PP minutes not points/60.

You claimed that Gagner was getting feed "PP minutes" and Wellwood wasn't, yet as it turns out Wellwood was getting more (far more in some years) PP minutes.

Seems clear that a guy that wants to project himself as the unbiased hockey observer hasn't done his homework.

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#92 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 26 2011, 11:05PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

OB1 bringing the Heat!!

Always the same games with that guy.

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May 26 2011, 11:07PM
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Chris. wrote:

Far fetched? It depends on what value you place on dropping down two spots at the very top of the draft. Would you trade Hall for Gudbransen straight up? Hell no! Last year there was a big value gap between the player picked first, and the player picked third.

Make no mistake, there is a value gap this year also... And most GM's would rather come away from the draft with one franchise player than two solid roster guys. If Stu doesn't see much of a value gap this year, but for some reason the Panther scouts do... Perhaps Tambellini can extract a big overpayment for backing down to 3rd. It would kind of suck, though, if Stu blew the call and RNH turned into the next Hockey Jesus.

FWIW Gregor was quite insistant that we couldn't even get a 2nd rounder to drop from 1 to 3/4/5 range.

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#95 Chris.
May 26 2011, 11:10PM
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Metal&Oil wrote:

Ok. I guess it makes a lil more sense when you explain it like that. Good respone!!!

I will say this though. If you put Gubransen in this years draft class I think he would stand a fairly good chance of going 1st overall, maybe 2nd. The only or one of the reasons Gubs did not make the panthers this season is because they did not want to waste a year of his ELC and pay him all that money in a year where the Panthers did not have a very good chance of contending for a playoff spot.

I guess I'm not as high on Gudbranson as you are. (I figured he was a bit of a reach at 3rd overall)

He's a great talent, but I doubt he'll put up big offensive numbers and he's already had some pretty big injury concerns missing large chunks of both his last two seasons.

Oilers could sure use him though.

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#96 Chris.
May 26 2011, 11:15PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

FWIW Gregor was quite insistant that we couldn't even get a 2nd rounder to drop from 1 to 3/4/5 range.

Then you pick first.

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May 26 2011, 11:17PM
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Chris. wrote:

Then you pick first.

Ya for sure (though I think Gregor was out to lunch on that one)

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#98 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 11:22PM
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Chris. wrote:

I guess I'm not as high on Gudbranson as you are. (I figured he was a bit of a reach at 3rd overall)

He's a great talent, but I doubt he'll put up big offensive numbers and he's already had some pretty big injury concerns missing large chunks of both his last two seasons.

Oilers could sure use him though.

Yeah I might be overvaluing him a bit and I was unaware that he got another big injury this year. My point was that last years draft class was much stronger then this years draft class is thought to be.

I just think that there are a lot more unknowns about the players in this years crop then there were in last years. This is a part of the reason I would take Larrson.

Larrson has been playing against men for years now and has size on him. That's 2 less unkowns. Another reason and something that is really opinionated on my part is that I think Larrson's attributes would be more suited for the smaller ice surface. He stated he preferred the smaller ice at the WJHC's and I think he would bring his game to a new level in the NA format. I would actually rather have him then Gubranson.

I know that I am repeating myself now but I really believe this.

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#99 Metal&Oil
May 26 2011, 11:27PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya for sure (though I think Gregor was out to lunch on that one)

Probably depends on what players the team you traded down with thought you and the teams to draft before them were thinking of selecting and who the player they covet was.(& vice versa) I could see at least a 2nd round pick being offered if everything fell into place but there are a lot of gambles involved for both teams in that type of trade.

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#100 Chris.
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In Stu we trust. Although I do find it funny that some people point to Hedman as a reason why not to select Larsson. (Sure wish we had a solid 20 year old kid who could play almost 26 minutes a night in the conference finals). Of course I'd also like a top flight play making center...

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