FTHM PART I: WITH THE FIRST PICK . . .

Robin Brownlee
May 03 2011 08:42AM

Edmonton Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor knows whose name he wants to call with the team's second consecutive first overall pick at the NHL Entry Draft in Minnesota June 24.

Of course, MacGregor isn't about to tell me who he has in mind, and he's not above letting people try to sway his opinion when he and his scouting staff, along with GM Steve Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, open four days of meetings in Phoenix May 15.

Regardless of who MacGregor has in mind, it won't be a two-horse race (one that soon turned into a runaway for Taylor Hall over Tyler Seguin) like it was a year ago at this time when he and his scouts compared a season worth of notes and put together a final list heading into Los Angeles.

My guess is Ryan Nugent-Hopkins of the Red Deer Rebels is the player MacGregor has pegged for the top pick. Then again, it could just as well be smooth Swedish defenseman Adam Larsson. And what about big Sean Couturier of Drummondville, red-hot Jonathan Huberdeau of Saint John or Gabriel Landeskog of Kitchener?

If you look at the rankings of all the different scouting services and talk to hockey people, you can make a case that any one of the above players should be part of the conversation. Does that diversity of opinion exist on MacGregor's staff?

That's what the meeting is for.

MACGREGOR HAS HIS GUY

"I'm pretty good on one, yes," said MacGregor, when I asked him if he's leaning toward any one player at this point. "I feel pretty good about my guy, yes."

A lot of people would be willing to wager that the gifted but undersized Nugent-Hopkins is the player MacGregor likes with the first overall pick. The slight centre obviously has talent and he plays a position the Oilers didn't fill last summer when they took Hall over Seguin.

After all, MacGregor and a rotating series of Edmonton scouts, along with Lowe and Tambellini among other team brass, have had eyes on the kid, as you'd expect, several times this season.

Then again, MacGregor just got back from the east coast where he was following Huberdeau, who has been tearing it up of late. And he was just over in Europe to see Larsson. Eyes on Couturier. Eyes on Landeskog. He's been living out of a suitcase, making only occasional stops back home in Kamloops.

"There's a lot more players in the mix this year than there was last year," said MacGregor, who was completely sold on Hall by the time the staff met at Predator Ridge a year ago. "Probably four or five . . . I would think that you could hear, probably, four."

THE PROCESS

By the time Hall and Windsor rolled through the playoffs and Memorial Cup a year ago, it was obvious to MacGregor who the Oilers had to pick. It's not nearly as cut-and-dried this time, and that's why there's bound to be plenty of lively debate in Arizona.

"This is where we put our final list together," MacGregor said. "We make some major decisions on positioning and how it all fits together."

If there isn't a clear and concise consensus with his staff, MacGregor gets the deciding vote. It's a standard part of a process in which a year or more of travelling, drinking bad coffee and taking notes culminates with everybody making a case for the player they have in mind.

"If you watched Oil Change, this is where everybody was talking about each player (a year ago)," MacGregor said. "This is where most of your major discussions go on. We'll have more at the draft and so on, but this is where the majority of your work gets done."

Is Nugent-Hopkins the player MacGregor has in mind? He isn't saying. Might he be swayed if one or two or more of his scouts insist Couturier, Larsson, Landeskog or Huberdeau is the way to go? Maybe. By the way, who is the one you're "pretty good on," Stu?

"That's a good one," he laughed. "I knew that was coming."

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#151 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 06:40AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

This thought process makes 0 sense.

Adding great players makes teams better. When you have an oppertunity to add one without giving up the farm you do it.

Almost any offer sheet of significance results in giving up the farm, or a good chunk of it.

Making an Offer Sheet is ludicrous at this stage of the rebuild.

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#152 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 08:30AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Almost any offer sheet of significance results in giving up the farm, or a good chunk of it.

Making an Offer Sheet is ludicrous at this stage of the rebuild.

He didn't say "offer sheet" he said whales, their seems to be an overiding thought process amoungst Oiler fans that bringing on any high end talent at this point is a bad thing.

Also, "the farm" is Hall, this years 1st and maybe Eberle. Next years first isn't close to being in that conversation at this point.

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#153 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 08:45AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

OK, but the talk on this thread has been regarding the poaching of RFAs like Weber. He is both a "Whale" and someone requiring an Offer Sheet to acquire.

And "The Farm" HAS to include any 1st round pick of the Oilers' until it has been determined that the club is no longer a basement dweller. Although our 2012 1st Round pick has theoretically just as much chance at being 30th overall as Vancouver's, it's foolish to assume it will be anything except a lottery pick.

Further, during this rebuild "The Farm" should probably be extended to any player under the age of 21/22 or draft pick in the 1st or 2nd round. All of those things should be strictly off-limits. Period.

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#154 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 09:00AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

OK, but the talk on this thread has been regarding the poaching of RFAs like Weber. He is both a "Whale" and someone requiring an Offer Sheet to acquire.

And "The Farm" HAS to include any 1st round pick of the Oilers' until it has been determined that the club is no longer a basement dweller. Although our 2012 1st Round pick has theoretically just as much chance at being 30th overall as Vancouver's, it's foolish to assume it will be anything except a lottery pick.

Further, during this rebuild "The Farm" should probably be extended to any player under the age of 21/22 or draft pick in the 1st or 2nd round. All of those things should be strictly off-limits. Period.

Draft pick value is derived from their odds of producing high end talent.

Once you get out of the top 3 or so the odds of pulling a player superior to Weber or Yandle is slim (like 15% - 20% slim in the 5-10 range, 5% - 10% slim in the 10-20 range and expotentially worse then that going deeper).

Taking those kind of odds over a sure thing is a bad bet.

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#155 madjam
May 04 2011, 09:04AM
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BUILD FROM WITHIN NONSENSE . This year is a good indication of build from within and the disasterous route thats already taken us . Scrap that plan , as there is little from within thats going to help us avoid the basement for years to come .

Draft Larsson and maybe try and use our second first round pick with some expendables for another young defenceman like a Subban . We don't have a competitive team by building from within to begin with - so why waste our time persuing another losing strategy !

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#156 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 09:13AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

And it's a bad bet to gamble that the Oilers will finish out of the bottom 3. And I recognize your numbers regarding the odds of getting a good player after the lottery slots, but it's still true that both the players you mentioned were selected after the 1st round.

The Webers and Yandles of the world are out there to be drafted and developed by the Oilers themselves.

It's also a bad bet to think that the Webers and Yandles of the world want to leave their homes and come play in Edmonton, even with large wads of cash being thrown at them.

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#157 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 09:16AM
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madjam wrote:

BUILD FROM WITHIN NONSENSE . This year is a good indication of build from within and the disasterous route thats already taken us . Scrap that plan , as there is little from within thats going to help us avoid the basement for years to come .

Draft Larsson and maybe try and use our second first round pick with some expendables for another young defenceman like a Subban . We don't have a competitive team by building from within to begin with - so why waste our time persuing another losing strategy !

Man are you ever bizzar.

The odds of us getting Subban for a 19th round pick and some expendables is about as high as us trading Eberle for a 19th pick and some expendables.

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#158 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 09:24AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

And it's a bad bet to gamble that the Oilers will finish out of the bottom 3. And I recognize your numbers regarding the odds of getting a good player after the lottery slots, but it's still true that both the players you mentioned were selected after the 1st round.

The Webers and Yandles of the world are out there to be drafted and developed by the Oilers themselves.

It's also a bad bet to think that the Webers and Yandles of the world want to leave their homes and come play in Edmonton, even with large wads of cash being thrown at them.

I'm talking trade and RFA method here, lets get off the "no one will come here" attitude, I am fully aware that we are at distinct competitive disadvantage when it comes to attracting players, but just instantly assuming no good players would ever come here is loser mentality.

Also, with 2-3 smart additions theirs no reason this team couldnt start to at least become competitive as soon as next year.

We can't be in the lottery for ever, looking at the tank teams that everyone likes to point to as our modle (Chicago/Pitsburg/Washington) of their current roster the Hawks and Caps have 2 guys taken in the top 5, the Pens have 4.

The time has come to start working our way out of the basement.

Even with that said, I'd say you'd still be batting at least 50% taking Weber over a top 3 pick.

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#159 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 09:26AM
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madjam wrote:

BUILD FROM WITHIN NONSENSE . This year is a good indication of build from within and the disasterous route thats already taken us . Scrap that plan , as there is little from within thats going to help us avoid the basement for years to come .

Draft Larsson and maybe try and use our second first round pick with some expendables for another young defenceman like a Subban . We don't have a competitive team by building from within to begin with - so why waste our time persuing another losing strategy !

This ^^^^^^^^^ Is Crazy Speak.

Building from within has brought the Oilers the best young group of players it's had in recent years. That's Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Peckham, and Petry. All drafted by the Oilers, all tracking upwards.

And How the Hell do you plan on prying Subban (more proof that solid defensemen can be selected in the 2nd round) from Montreal? Do you honestly think they'll take a 19th overall and some spare parts for Subban? Cheezus.

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#160 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 09:46AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'm talking trade and RFA method here, lets get off the "no one will come here" attitude, I am fully aware that we are at distinct competitive disadvantage when it comes to attracting players, but just instantly assuming no good players would ever come here is loser mentality.

Also, with 2-3 smart additions theirs no reason this team couldnt start to at least become competitive as soon as next year.

We can't be in the lottery for ever, looking at the tank teams that everyone likes to point to as our modle (Chicago/Pitsburg/Washington) of their current roster the Hawks and Caps have 2 guys taken in the top 5, the Pens have 4.

The time has come to start working our way out of the basement.

Even with that said, I'd say you'd still be batting at least 50% taking Weber over a top 3 pick.

OB1, get real for a minute. The Oil threw wads of cash at Hossa, he said no. They begged and pleaded at the feet of Danny Heatley, he said no. They signed Pronger to a multi year deal, and he flew the coop after a year. They went to game 7 with Spacek, Peca, and Samsonov; they all went away. They tried to sign Malhotra, he said no. That's a 3rd line centre OB1. A 3rd liner!

Until the team is winning, the Oilers will remain one of the least desired places to play in North America. The End.

It is not a loser mentality to assume big name players will not want to leave their established homes to come here unless they have enough incentive. Frankly, money isnt enough. These guys can get their money anywhere. It's not even an assumption, actually, because the most recent player polls rank Edmonton extremely low.

We also dont get to dictate when it's time for the Oilers to start winning. They will win when they have enough talent and desire to win, and not a minute before then. Washington was a joke for a few years after they took Ovie, Pitt was for years after taking Crosby, it took Chicago the better part of a decade to climb out of the basement. Why is anyone expecting the Oil to flip the switch this year?

There's still huge question marks in Net and on Defense, as well as the Centre position. Literally the entire middle of the ice is questionable. Not 1 truly top notch dependable player down the middle of the ice. Horc is hurting and aging, Gagner isnt producing like a #1, Cogliano's offence has dropped off the earth, Fraser is a lump, Whitney's feet are gimped, Gilbert is Jekyl/Hyde, Khabibulin just posted AHL numbers, and Dubnyk was a rookie last year.

This club is a miracle away from being competitive by next season.

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#161 madjam
May 04 2011, 10:09AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

This ^^^^^^^^^ Is Crazy Speak.

Building from within has brought the Oilers the best young group of players it's had in recent years. That's Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Peckham, and Petry. All drafted by the Oilers, all tracking upwards.

And How the Hell do you plan on prying Subban (more proof that solid defensemen can be selected in the 2nd round) from Montreal? Do you honestly think they'll take a 19th overall and some spare parts for Subban? Cheezus.

Crazy enough to know Peckham and Petry are not going to take us out of basement of league . So far they show me they are pretty much spare parts as well .

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#162 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 10:13AM
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@Matt Henderson

duplicate

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#163 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 10:15AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

OB1, get real for a minute. The Oil threw wads of cash at Hossa, he said no. They begged and pleaded at the feet of Danny Heatley, he said no. They signed Pronger to a multi year deal, and he flew the coop after a year. They went to game 7 with Spacek, Peca, and Samsonov; they all went away. They tried to sign Malhotra, he said no. That's a 3rd line centre OB1. A 3rd liner!

Until the team is winning, the Oilers will remain one of the least desired places to play in North America. The End.

It is not a loser mentality to assume big name players will not want to leave their established homes to come here unless they have enough incentive. Frankly, money isnt enough. These guys can get their money anywhere. It's not even an assumption, actually, because the most recent player polls rank Edmonton extremely low.

We also dont get to dictate when it's time for the Oilers to start winning. They will win when they have enough talent and desire to win, and not a minute before then. Washington was a joke for a few years after they took Ovie, Pitt was for years after taking Crosby, it took Chicago the better part of a decade to climb out of the basement. Why is anyone expecting the Oil to flip the switch this year?

There's still huge question marks in Net and on Defense, as well as the Centre position. Literally the entire middle of the ice is questionable. Not 1 truly top notch dependable player down the middle of the ice. Horc is hurting and aging, Gagner isnt producing like a #1, Cogliano's offence has dropped off the earth, Fraser is a lump, Whitney's feet are gimped, Gilbert is Jekyl/Hyde, Khabibulin just posted AHL numbers, and Dubnyk was a rookie last year.

This club is a miracle away from being competitive by next season.

Yes it is loser mentality.

We might as well pack up the team and head south if things are that bad

The #2 least desirable team in the league with an equally inept record was able to sign a quality player like Mark Striet, surely the Oilers can at least attract talent like that

And I'm talking Columbus/Atlanta competitive next year, not Nashville/Tampa competitive

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#164 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 10:25AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

OB1, get real for a minute. The Oil threw wads of cash at Hossa, he said no. They begged and pleaded at the feet of Danny Heatley, he said no. They signed Pronger to a multi year deal, and he flew the coop after a year. They went to game 7 with Spacek, Peca, and Samsonov; they all went away. They tried to sign Malhotra, he said no. That's a 3rd line centre OB1. A 3rd liner!

Until the team is winning, the Oilers will remain one of the least desired places to play in North America. The End.

It is not a loser mentality to assume big name players will not want to leave their established homes to come here unless they have enough incentive. Frankly, money isnt enough. These guys can get their money anywhere. It's not even an assumption, actually, because the most recent player polls rank Edmonton extremely low.

We also dont get to dictate when it's time for the Oilers to start winning. They will win when they have enough talent and desire to win, and not a minute before then. Washington was a joke for a few years after they took Ovie, Pitt was for years after taking Crosby, it took Chicago the better part of a decade to climb out of the basement. Why is anyone expecting the Oil to flip the switch this year?

There's still huge question marks in Net and on Defense, as well as the Centre position. Literally the entire middle of the ice is questionable. Not 1 truly top notch dependable player down the middle of the ice. Horc is hurting and aging, Gagner isnt producing like a #1, Cogliano's offence has dropped off the earth, Fraser is a lump, Whitney's feet are gimped, Gilbert is Jekyl/Hyde, Khabibulin just posted AHL numbers, and Dubnyk was a rookie last year.

This club is a miracle away from being competitive by next season.

The Hawks were 10th the year after they drafted Kane, 4th the year after that.

The Caps and Pens were 14th and 15th the year after drafting Sid and AO. By their 2nd year the Caps were still 14th but the Pens were 5th. By year 3 they finished 2nd and 3rd.

I don't expect to make the PO next year, but the time to start surrounding these guys with quality is now

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#165 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 10:28AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Yes it is loser mentality.

We might as well pack up the team and head south if things are that bad

The #2 least desirable team in the league with an equally inept record was able to sign a quality player like Mark Striet, surely the Oilers can at least attract talent like that

And I'm talking Columbus/Atlanta competitive next year, not Nashville/Tampa competitive

They thought they did attract Streit-like Talent in Foster. It didnt turn out so well for them.

Reality is not a loser mentality. The Oilers dont have better options than keeping their picks and prospects and developing them internally. The next best thing is targeting Tier-2 Free Agents to fill gaps until Oiler drafted players can fill the biggest holes. The other option is the trade route, and Tambellini hasnt shown a propensity for it.

Things are THAT bad. It doesnt mean they pack up and leave, it means they suck it up and take their beatings until they can get the talent. That is the plan, by all accounts (except for madjam) it is working.

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#166 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 10:31AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Getting Kane was not year 1 of the Chicago Basement years. Getting Crosby was not the first year of the Pens Basement years. And Taylor Hall is neither Ovechkin nor Crosby, and he hasnt proven to be better than Kane either. Where does that leave us OB1?

Those teams had multiple lottery picks on the team at the same time when they started to climb up the standings. Even then it took a few years. The wonder-kids need to be better on their own before they'll be able to convince high end talent to join them in Edmonton.

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#167 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 10:38AM
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madjam wrote:

Crazy enough to know Peckham and Petry are not going to take us out of basement of league . So far they show me they are pretty much spare parts as well .

And Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi? Also spare parts?

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#168 Quicksilver ballet
May 04 2011, 10:41AM
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Felt the same way five yrs ago (pack up and move everything down south). It can't get any worse than it has been in recent yrs. I feel we just need to make decisions on players sooner rather than later. This kid can play,this kid can't, should give this kid another yr before we make a decision. We need to recylcle some kids that can't play at the level that's needed here for another shot at a kid who may be able to play (top 6 pick)

Can't help but feel there's a Patrick Kane/Jonathon Toews/Drew Doughty coming in that top 6 group this summer.....he needs to be wearing an Oiler jersey.

I agree with Obbies assessment that the time is now to get these kids some help but i wouldn't sell the incoming kids short, RNH and Strome/Huberdeau/Couturier could make a difference much sooner than later .

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#169 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 11:15AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

They thought they did attract Streit-like Talent in Foster. It didnt turn out so well for them.

Reality is not a loser mentality. The Oilers dont have better options than keeping their picks and prospects and developing them internally. The next best thing is targeting Tier-2 Free Agents to fill gaps until Oiler drafted players can fill the biggest holes. The other option is the trade route, and Tambellini hasnt shown a propensity for it.

Things are THAT bad. It doesnt mean they pack up and leave, it means they suck it up and take their beatings until they can get the talent. That is the plan, by all accounts (except for madjam) it is working.

Anyone that thought Foster was anywhere near Streit should be fired on the spot.

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#170 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 11:19AM
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@Matt Henderson

And this is not year 1 of the Oilers basement years either.

All those teams were well up the standings by the time their respective #1 pick was a sphomore. By year 3 they were all top teams.

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#171 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 11:32AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

But it's only been 1 year since Hall was taken and I previously listed the entire middle of the ice as being questionable regarding dependable talent. I know it isnt year 1 of the basement years, but until there's a Centre, a Goalie, and a Defense pairing that is playing at a high level there wont be any Oiler Success. (2 out 3 could probably do it)

As for Foster, well I bet they were banking on his success in TBay NOT being a one-off. But When Streit was picked up by the Islanders many people thought he was just another product of playing with Markov. 1 gamble paid off, 1 didnt.

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#172 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 11:55AM
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"But it's only been 1 year since Hall was taken and I previously listed the entire middle of the ice as being questionable regarding dependable talent. I know it isnt year 1 of the basement years, but until there's a Centre, a Goalie, and a Defense pairing that is playing at a high level there wont be any Oiler Success. (2 out 3 could probably do it)"

I agree, that's how far we are.... now we need to go out and fill those holes, if we are planning on doing it ALL from within it will likley take 3 more years, and that's assuming Stu lives up to the hype.

Are we really planning on being in the lottery in 2013?

Three lottery picks AFTER drafting Taylor Hall? That would have to be considerd one of the worst 10 year stretches in the history of the NHL.

Are we really going to give managment that big of a free pass? Because that's really what we are doing if the game plan is to simply draft our way out of the basement.

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#173 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 12:15PM
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Penguins: Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal

5, 1, 2, 1, 3

Oilers: Hall, XXXX, 2012, 2013, 2014

1, 1, ?, ?, ?

I dont think they're planning on being a lottery pick until 2013, but it shouldnt seem ludicrous.

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#174 Quicksilver ballet
May 04 2011, 12:29PM
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Seeing this makes me want to say so long to those 4 first rounders. Give Shea Weber 85 million over 12 yrs, he's half the battle as far as i'm concerned.

Starting to look like that Horcoff contract is really going to bite the Oilers in the arse in 2 yrs.

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#175 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 01:04PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Penguins: Whitney, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal

5, 1, 2, 1, 3

Oilers: Hall, XXXX, 2012, 2013, 2014

1, 1, ?, ?, ?

I dont think they're planning on being a lottery pick until 2013, but it shouldnt seem ludicrous.

One of those Lotto picks was gifted to the Pens, so they really only spent 4 years actually playing lottery hockey.

.... they were also considerd one of the worst tank teams of all time.

However being in the lottery until 2013 should seem ludicrous.... very very ludicrous.

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#176 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 01:08PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Seeing this makes me want to say so long to those 4 first rounders. Give Shea Weber 85 million over 12 yrs, he's half the battle as far as i'm concerned.

Starting to look like that Horcoff contract is really going to bite the Oilers in the arse in 2 yrs.

One center, one defensmen and one goalie.

On top of that we need a handful or role players.

Considering we likely/hopefully have the center this year it really shouldn't be too much to ask of our managment group to add one more high end player and 3-4 role players (including a top 35 tender) in the next year or two.

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#177 Matt Henderson
May 04 2011, 01:15PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

One of those Lotto picks was gifted to the Pens, so they really only spent 4 years actually playing lottery hockey.

.... they were also considerd one of the worst tank teams of all time.

However being in the lottery until 2013 should seem ludicrous.... very very ludicrous.

Fair enough but they were terrible for the 3 years Prior and 1 After. The Only reason they didnt have a chance to play a 5th year of Lotto Hockey is because the Lockout happened. Pittsburgh was a joke Franchise, so was Washington, so was Chicago, so is Edm...

Given the situation here it should come to no shock at all that the team could be in the lottery for 2 more seasons. That said, if RNH/Whomever can be an impact player in a short amount of time then maybe by 2013 they wont be so bad.

I'm prepared for the worst.

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#178 TLaL
May 04 2011, 06:10PM
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All of these comparisons to Washington, Chicago, and Pittsburgh are optimistic. The Oilers could just as easily be in the beginning of a long-term spell of mediocrity like the Islanders or Florida.

Until management, scouting and coaching have proven they can acquire and develop quality players, you can't assume that we'll repeat the success of Chicago or Pittsburgh. Using lottery picks to accumulate flashy one-dimensional players year after year is not a recipe for success. RNH may be an upgrade over Gagner, Cogliano, and Brule (wow what an awful bunch) but we'll still be bottom 3 with him.

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