FTHM PART I: WITH THE FIRST PICK . . .

Robin Brownlee
May 03 2011 08:42AM

Edmonton Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor knows whose name he wants to call with the team's second consecutive first overall pick at the NHL Entry Draft in Minnesota June 24.

Of course, MacGregor isn't about to tell me who he has in mind, and he's not above letting people try to sway his opinion when he and his scouting staff, along with GM Steve Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, open four days of meetings in Phoenix May 15.

Regardless of who MacGregor has in mind, it won't be a two-horse race (one that soon turned into a runaway for Taylor Hall over Tyler Seguin) like it was a year ago at this time when he and his scouts compared a season worth of notes and put together a final list heading into Los Angeles.

My guess is Ryan Nugent-Hopkins of the Red Deer Rebels is the player MacGregor has pegged for the top pick. Then again, it could just as well be smooth Swedish defenseman Adam Larsson. And what about big Sean Couturier of Drummondville, red-hot Jonathan Huberdeau of Saint John or Gabriel Landeskog of Kitchener?

If you look at the rankings of all the different scouting services and talk to hockey people, you can make a case that any one of the above players should be part of the conversation. Does that diversity of opinion exist on MacGregor's staff?

That's what the meeting is for.

MACGREGOR HAS HIS GUY

"I'm pretty good on one, yes," said MacGregor, when I asked him if he's leaning toward any one player at this point. "I feel pretty good about my guy, yes."

A lot of people would be willing to wager that the gifted but undersized Nugent-Hopkins is the player MacGregor likes with the first overall pick. The slight centre obviously has talent and he plays a position the Oilers didn't fill last summer when they took Hall over Seguin.

After all, MacGregor and a rotating series of Edmonton scouts, along with Lowe and Tambellini among other team brass, have had eyes on the kid, as you'd expect, several times this season.

Then again, MacGregor just got back from the east coast where he was following Huberdeau, who has been tearing it up of late. And he was just over in Europe to see Larsson. Eyes on Couturier. Eyes on Landeskog. He's been living out of a suitcase, making only occasional stops back home in Kamloops.

"There's a lot more players in the mix this year than there was last year," said MacGregor, who was completely sold on Hall by the time the staff met at Predator Ridge a year ago. "Probably four or five . . . I would think that you could hear, probably, four."

THE PROCESS

By the time Hall and Windsor rolled through the playoffs and Memorial Cup a year ago, it was obvious to MacGregor who the Oilers had to pick. It's not nearly as cut-and-dried this time, and that's why there's bound to be plenty of lively debate in Arizona.

"This is where we put our final list together," MacGregor said. "We make some major decisions on positioning and how it all fits together."

If there isn't a clear and concise consensus with his staff, MacGregor gets the deciding vote. It's a standard part of a process in which a year or more of travelling, drinking bad coffee and taking notes culminates with everybody making a case for the player they have in mind.

"If you watched Oil Change, this is where everybody was talking about each player (a year ago)," MacGregor said. "This is where most of your major discussions go on. We'll have more at the draft and so on, but this is where the majority of your work gets done."

Is Nugent-Hopkins the player MacGregor has in mind? He isn't saying. Might he be swayed if one or two or more of his scouts insist Couturier, Larsson, Landeskog or Huberdeau is the way to go? Maybe. By the way, who is the one you're "pretty good on," Stu?

"That's a good one," he laughed. "I knew that was coming."

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#1 OilIsMyBlood
May 03 2011, 08:47AM
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Let me be the FIST to say that MBS has my complete and total confidence in whoever he picks

RNH RNH RNH RNH

Robin, hope you asked him about the chances of trading picks (which of course is more GM responsibility than Chief Scout's)

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#2 Oilcruzer
May 03 2011, 09:10AM
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Two things.

Doesn't sound like Oil are trading down.

Stu leaked a fact when he said "my guy". The first pick won't be a woman.

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#3 Cru Jones
May 03 2011, 09:12AM
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Is there any better indicator of Oiler fan's devotion to their team than the fact that their head scout is not only known by name, but has also become a THE person that most fans want to hear from?

I guess it also reflects the fact that we've had our collective hats handed to us for the last few years, but I can't recall a similar relationship between the fans and someone who isn't the GM, owner or coach anywhere else in sport.

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#4 Eberle14
May 03 2011, 09:16AM
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I was really hoping for Adam Larsson mid season, but I've become a big fan of RNH! I know he's on the "slight" side, but, good players find a way to play in the NHL! Martin St. Louis and Daniel Briere come to mind. I don't think we go wrong with either guy, but if we choose RNH, we need to size up the other lines! Maybe Hemsky and Gagner have to go to make way for someone bigger. I believe the article was titled, "runt in, runt out"......?

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#5 WheresYourTowel
May 03 2011, 09:19AM
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In MBS we trust. Because really, who else in the organization has performed on a consistant basis over the past 4 years?

If the Oilers are committed, as they should be, to taking the BPA, there's no one else I'd want deciding who that player is.

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#6 YFC Prez
May 03 2011, 09:45AM
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Yes in MBS we trust. Credit is definetly deserved and I will be lingering on this site every morning for Mr Brownlee's new pieces. I love hearing from Stu. Perhaps some of the love oiler fans have for MBS should be shared with Sillinger and Moores. Oilers have alot of picks trending up this year. Player development as a whole is pretty darn good.

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#8 Archaeologuy
May 03 2011, 09:57AM
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Time for the Oil to draft the Centerman 1st Overall that they've been missing since Weight left the team. Then maybe add a couple d-men with the 19th and 31st picks, and then grab the out of nowhwere sleeper homerun with Calgary's Staios pick.

Between this year and last year's draft the Oil could have a real solid base of Youth to support the franchise for the better part of the next decade. It all depends on the Clairvoyance of one Stu Magnificent Bastard MacGregor.

In Stu We Trust.

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#9 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 09:58AM
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Didn't read the article for fear it would sway my own personal bias on this issue.

SELL THE FARM! Move whatever is needed and earn the right to a second shot in that top 5. If it costs us a Hemsky or a Gagner, so be it. I'd even top that of with a Smid,Brule,Omark even Peckham to go with 2nd/3rd rounders this summer as well as non first round 2012 selections. NuHo and Couturier or Strome and Huberdeau, get it done and fix the issue we have in the middle. Take whats left from that available basket and see what we can do for #2,#3 help on the back end. Bring back Ryan Smyth as well as a UFA and we're set for next yr.

With Stu MacGregor at the helm, do we really need Tambellini and Lowe?

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#10 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 10:11AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

The fact that you have the combination of:

"SELL THE FARM! Move whatever is needed and earn the right to a second shot in that top 5. If it costs us a Hemsky or a Gagner, so be it. I'd even top that of with a Smid,Brule,Omark even Peckham"

and

"we're set for next yr."

Makes me laugh.... really hard.

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#11 madjam
May 03 2011, 10:16AM
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Until we show we are drafting better by drafting to get out of the basement of league , and also addressing our weakest voids then maybe our scouting is still bad ? Hopkins appears to be same type of forward we keep drafting and certainly does not fit the defence or power forward we still do not have -nor the goal tending . Just how many draftees make the team each year that quite honestly might be better than on a cellar dwellar ? One per year if we are lucky ?

We have so many top first round picks already that still has done little to get us out of the basement .We got to many Hopkins types already , and not nearly enough Larssons or Landeskop types to make choices from . How many of our incumbent first round choices are dependable enough to get a half season without major injury problems ? Players like Whitney , Smid and Foster also come to mind of players that might simply be to injury prone to rely on- yet all were first round picks at one time and were expected to be better than what they have shown so far in their careers . ? We don't need /want to keep drafting the same types of players that keep us firmly entrenched in the basement .

Last season we drafted some size , but just how many might turn out , if any , to be a decent NHL talent in a short space span ? Maybe none will turn out to take us out of basement . I'll reserve judgement on scouting until such time as we see our team start climbing back up in standings . Just how reliable is drafting at best of times to keep us acceptable and competitive ?

I have a feeling we are going to take Hopkins , and i think it is a mistake to keep taking the same types of players we continually seem to take .

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#12 TEAM- NuHo
May 03 2011, 10:18AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

TEAM NuHo 4 LIFE

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#13 SportsDad
May 03 2011, 10:19AM
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The more I watched Landeskog, the more I think he looks like a young Iginla. I would like to see the oilers draft him first instead of RNH. But I would be good either as the first overall.

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#14 Archaeologuy
May 03 2011, 10:21AM
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@madjam

I would like you to list all of the Centres that the team has drafted who have been of high enough calibre to be ranked #1 by multiple scouting services.

Name all of them, then tell me exactly how many players like RNH the Oilers have that fit the bill.

I will be patiently waiting.

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#15 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 10:37AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

You can sit tight and watch yet another lottery season roll by your driver side window Obbie... your expectations obviously remain at curb height. I'll take my chances with Horcoff,Strome,Huberdeau,Cogliano,Brule over anything you have to offer up.

I'm sure if you put your center ice preferences up it would have 30th place written all over it.

Take a shot at Glencross and Upshall and starting two rookies down the middle isn't such a stretch. Atleast Taylor Hall would start to see something that resembles a comittment to winning here.

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#16 YFC Prez
May 03 2011, 10:38AM
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4-3 Canada wins in OT. Eberle gets player of the Game.

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#17 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 10:42AM
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TEAM- NuHo wrote:

TEAM NuHo 4 LIFE

Agreed, Nuho,Strome,Huberdeau or Couturier. Pick two, any two...but it must be two.

One of these kids isn't enough. Time to move out some bodies who have grown accustomed to losing here. (Hemsky,Gagner,Smid etc)

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#18 Archaeologuy
May 03 2011, 10:42AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

I'm not sure if trading your most productive centre or winger, as well as packaging up one of your more reliable defenseman, AND possibly moving down in the draft in order to acquire a couple of draft picks constitutes "a committment to winning."

I'm also not sure if Taylor Hall would see it that way either.

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#19 Hemmertime
May 03 2011, 10:42AM
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Wow Eberle is much smaller than Nash. He is a full head above him.

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#20 Hemmertime
May 03 2011, 10:44AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

"I'm sure if you put your center ice preferences up it would have 30th place written all over it."

"and starting two rookies down the middle isn't such a stretch."

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Ummm... where to start?

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#21 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 10:54AM
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@Archaeologuy

Staying the course has its downfalls as well Archie.

Say nothing is done to better the club this summer. The Oilers take their boobie prize for finishing dead last this year in Hopkins with their first selection, he goes back to Red Deer, with another 300 man games lost to injury season we're stuck with the same pathetic lineup we had last year. Is the only goal next year to get Eberle and Hall another thousand NHL minutes under their belt again?

Screw that, time to get off our asses and do something.

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#22 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 10:56AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

You can sit tight and watch yet another lottery season roll by your driver side window Obbie... your expectations obviously remain at curb height. I'll take my chances with Horcoff,Strome,Huberdeau,Cogliano,Brule over anything you have to offer up.

I'm sure if you put your center ice preferences up it would have 30th place written all over it.

Take a shot at Glencross and Upshall and starting two rookies down the middle isn't such a stretch. Atleast Taylor Hall would start to see something that resembles a comittment to winning here.

It has nothing to do with "sitting tight" (in fact I want the exact opposite).

It has everything to do with the delusional mind set that adding two rookie centers (at the expense of multiple roster players) has the team "good to go" NEXT YEAR.

The contridiction between what you want and how you want to achieve it is mind boggling.

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#23 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 11:00AM
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@Hemmertime

The Oilers started four rookies during the better part of last year. What's wrong with just having two rookies this coming year?

Keeping in mind two of those rookies led the team in scoring last yr. Doesn't say much for the non rookies on this steller squad does it Hemmer? Hall and Eberle did have their share of boo boos to eh.

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#24 madjam
May 03 2011, 11:04AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I would like you to list all of the Centres that the team has drafted who have been of high enough calibre to be ranked #1 by multiple scouting services.

Name all of them, then tell me exactly how many players like RNH the Oilers have that fit the bill.

I will be patiently waiting.

My article was about first round picks , not just first overall . So i won't bother with a list . Our needs far exceed our ability to draft our way out of them thanks to Tam and Company . Might help if we started from backend and glaring weaknesses for one , as well as reputable power forwards that might also be a center -things we have little of to begin with !! You making any guarantees Hopkins going to be any better than the ones we already have , or take us out of the basement anytime soon ? Why keep duplicating a mess and over abundance of player types we already have, that still needs clearing up .

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#25 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 11:16AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Has anything i've suggested not conform with the rebuild....am i trading away the long term future of this club? NO.

I'm only moving out a future third line center and/or possibly our China Doll winger. Maybe Huberdeau or Strome could ride shotgun for Hemsky if Gagner is the one to go.

We certainly can't get rid of #10, so i'll take my chances with RNH/Strome (1st line center) Huberdeau/Couturier (2nd line center) followed by Horcoff for the third line this coming season thanks. We're all going to die of old age at your pace Obbie.

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#26 Hemmertime
May 03 2011, 11:17AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

You attack the position of standing pat and keeping our core with "another 300 man games to injury and we're screwed". Thats retarded, any changes you advocate making are screwed too with 300 man games of injury to your core. You can argue Hemmer is injury prone and thats fine, Whitneys foot too. But if want to move Gags due to Jones stepping on his hand then may as well deal Hall too since his ankle looks a lil weak.

I have a little faith this summer. Last summer Tambo targeted some players I wanted. He looked towards Malholtra (didnt want to go through a rebuild) and even Boogard.

Having RNH, Gags and Horc and your top 3 can be fine. Horc can handle the roughs. Or send RNH back if think he needs it. Id love one more Center but I dont think its jettison time. If someone knocks your socks off on a Hemsky offer at the draft you pull the trigger. Otherwise you take July 1 -> Trade deadline to try to sign him again and see how the team is doing.

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#27 TigerUnderGlass
May 03 2011, 11:17AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Staying the course has its downfalls as well Archie.

Say nothing is done to better the club this summer. The Oilers take their boobie prize for finishing dead last this year in Hopkins with their first selection, he goes back to Red Deer, with another 300 man games lost to injury season we're stuck with the same pathetic lineup we had last year. Is the only goal next year to get Eberle and Hall another thousand NHL minutes under their belt again?

Screw that, time to get off our asses and do something.

Preferring not to trade 2 of the best players on the team is not the same thing as standing pat.

Did Arch edit something out of his post or something, because I cannot see anything about staying the course.

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 11:20AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

The Oilers started four rookies during the better part of last year. What's wrong with just having two rookies this coming year?

Keeping in mind two of those rookies led the team in scoring last yr. Doesn't say much for the non rookies on this steller squad does it Hemmer? Hall and Eberle did have their share of boo boos to eh.

Last years rookies are stiil very young, very inexperienced players. They aren't all of a sudden "proven vets" just because they have a year under there belts.

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#29 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 11:22AM
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madjam wrote:

My article was about first round picks , not just first overall . So i won't bother with a list . Our needs far exceed our ability to draft our way out of them thanks to Tam and Company . Might help if we started from backend and glaring weaknesses for one , as well as reputable power forwards that might also be a center -things we have little of to begin with !! You making any guarantees Hopkins going to be any better than the ones we already have , or take us out of the basement anytime soon ? Why keep duplicating a mess and over abundance of player types we already have, that still needs clearing up .

You have a wierd infatuation with the draft.

It is only one element of building a team. You take the BPA (especially when drafting #1) and then use the other avenues to fill your needs

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 11:25AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Has anything i've suggested not conform with the rebuild....am i trading away the long term future of this club? NO.

I'm only moving out a future third line center and/or possibly our China Doll winger. Maybe Huberdeau or Strome could ride shotgun for Hemsky if Gagner is the one to go.

We certainly can't get rid of #10, so i'll take my chances with RNH/Strome (1st line center) Huberdeau/Couturier (2nd line center) followed by Horcoff for the third line this coming season thanks. We're all going to die of old age at your pace Obbie.

Again, it has nothing to do with not "conforming to the rebuild" I stated in another thread that if all the stars aligned, your plans very well could leave the team better off *in the future* (though I'd peg that at about a 25% likelyhood).

The issue is your thought process that we will be better right away (which is echoed again in the post I'm quoting)

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#31 Archaeologuy
May 03 2011, 11:26AM
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@madjam

I cant guarantee Hopkins will be better than anyone, but then again history is on his side as a forward with high projections. History is not so kind to a defenseman in the same boat.

Also, you keep going on about the Oilers' glaring weakness on defense, but you're completely ignoring the fact that there isnt a legit 1 or 2C in the Organization younger than Gagner. It's a massive void, one that's more difficult to fill than defense.

Define your player type that RNH fits into. Are you basing this on size, position, pass-first/shooter, pedigree, religious affiliation, What?

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#32 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 11:37AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Our goal is the same, i just feel we have the assets (possibly overpay) to find said trading partner. I know you feel i would probably need a gun to get what i want for October 2011.

If you had it your way, who's on your roster this July 2nd Obbie. Maybe it's good enough i'll keep my mouth shut if your plan is as attainable as mine appears not to be.

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#33 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 11:40AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Our goal is the same, i just feel we have the assets (possibly overpay) to find said trading partner. I know you feel i would probably need a gun to get what i want for October 2011.

If you had it your way, who's on your roster this July 2nd Obbie. Maybe it's good enough i'll keep my mouth shut if your plan is as attainable as mine appears not to be.

The other big issue is that I feel you vastly overate draft picks (outside of the top 2-3)

If we're getting a top 5 pick, then fine cash in your 7.5/10 player in hopes of getting a 9/10 (because your odds are at least resonable)

If you are cashing in your 7.5/10 for a 7/8/9 etc pick then odds are that you not only downgraded your team, it's going to take 3-5 before you figured out that you did that.

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#34 fuck off
May 03 2011, 11:41AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

I totally agree with "selling the farm" to bump up into two top 5 picks. However, that farm can't extend as far as the D, aside from Smid, because it's so weak, to remove any futher parts would cause another lottery season to follow. Hemsky is the #1 option to move for a top 5 swap. If they take RNH at #1 and move Gags to swap into the top 5 then I would be "okay" with that baring that second pick is another C. RNH and Couturier would be an absolutely sick 1-2 punch down the middle for years to come.

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#35 brodie
May 03 2011, 11:41AM
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Wait a minute I smell another scandal brewing here. You say Stu lives in Kamloops. Is that in Mexico?

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#36 racsan2448
May 03 2011, 11:47AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Love reading all your posts and comments, but can we please do one thing on future posts? Lets give Huberdeau and his team credit by letting people know he plays in Saint John and not St John's.

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#37 Lochenzo
May 03 2011, 11:52AM
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Sounds like Stu has a pretty good idea what he wants to do. I'm sure they'll debate it somewhat down the stretch, but knowing what you want to do with #1 directly effects your later picks, so know early to plan the rest of the draft.

2010 may go down as one of the best draft ever for the Oil. Most of these picks are trending well above where they were selected. I believe a big reason for this was the decision on the 1st pick was easy. The Oil knew they were picking either 1st or 2nd very early in the year and it came down to Taylor or Tyler. This may have freed up resources to scout the prospects available down the chain, which I think, played a big part in the success of that draft year.

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#38 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 11:53AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Our goal is the same, i just feel we have the assets (possibly overpay) to find said trading partner. I know you feel i would probably need a gun to get what i want for October 2011.

If you had it your way, who's on your roster this July 2nd Obbie. Maybe it's good enough i'll keep my mouth shut if your plan is as attainable as mine appears not to be.

As for my roster: Too many variables to nail down any type of accurate call.

Ideally I'd scoup either Webber or Yandle via RFA and complement him with a resonable "stop gap" vetran (Rivet/Sopel/Hedja... someone in that class)

If that fell through, I'd try to land at least one of prefferably two of: Bieksa/Brewer/Wisniewski/Erhoff/Hannan/Jovanoski if we can only grab one of these guys I'd still add one from the Rivet/Sopel/Hedja grouping.

I'd also strongly consider trading Hemsky for a proven 2/3 dman under 30, or a young top 6 center (Brassard/Berglund/Oshie)

I'd send Bulin to the KHL or the AHL and sign a decent platoon goalie (or maybe try and get one of the Caps three young goalies).

I'd pick up 2 bottom 6 wingers, (one that can fight)(Upshall/Eager/Higgins/GlenX) and a 2nd Horcoff type down the middle(Laich/Reasoner/Kopcky).

If we can add One top 6 center then great, I can't see it happening though. If we can add 2 I dump Omark and move Gagner over to RW2.

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#39 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 12:07PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

As for my roster: Too many variables to nail down any type of accurate call.

Ideally I'd scoup either Webber or Yandle via RFA and complement him with a resonable "stop gap" vetran (Rivet/Sopel/Hedja... someone in that class)

If that fell through, I'd try to land at least one of prefferably two of: Bieksa/Brewer/Wisniewski/Erhoff/Hannan/Jovanoski if we can only grab one of these guys I'd still add one from the Rivet/Sopel/Hedja grouping.

I'd also strongly consider trading Hemsky for a proven 2/3 dman under 30, or a young top 6 center (Brassard/Berglund/Oshie)

I'd send Bulin to the KHL or the AHL and sign a decent platoon goalie (or maybe try and get one of the Caps three young goalies).

I'd pick up 2 bottom 6 wingers, (one that can fight)(Upshall/Eager/Higgins/GlenX) and a 2nd Horcoff type down the middle(Laich/Reasoner/Kopcky).

If we can add One top 6 center then great, I can't see it happening though. If we can add 2 I dump Omark and move Gagner over to RW2.

in reference to the webber via rfa notion....no please and thank you.

crazy talk giving away potentially 4 1st rd picks for webber. yeah he good but i'd rather develop and/or trade for quality d-men.

don't down play suter's role plaing with webber.

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#40 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2011, 12:07PM
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You're right, i am gambling a little here. The field is spread pretty evenly in this summers entry draft though. I'm gambling that there's a nine in that group of Strome/Huberdeau/Couturier. To add RNH and one of these 3 kids to the group that's here already (Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi)could end up hopefully being an embarrasment of riches. Tambellini needs to show 4,14 and 91 he has what it takes to get them the help they need... and then some. Entry level players are cheap and have a way of sorting themselve out by the end of those ELCs and also conform to what's going on here. Moving out 2nd teir players for a shot at another part of your core is a risk i'm willing to take.

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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mayorpoop wrote:

in reference to the webber via rfa notion....no please and thank you.

crazy talk giving away potentially 4 1st rd picks for webber. yeah he good but i'd rather develop and/or trade for quality d-men.

don't down play suter's role plaing with webber.

With a front loaded deal we could very resonably get one of the two for 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd, maybe even one 1st + 2nd + 3rd if the cap goes up enough this year.

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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

You're right, i am gambling a little here. The field is spread pretty evenly in this summers entry draft though. I'm gambling that there's a nine in that group of Strome/Huberdeau/Couturier. To add RNH and one of these 3 kids to the group that's here already (Hall,Eberle,Paajarvi)could end up hopefully being an embarrasment of riches. Tambellini needs to show 4,14 and 91 he has what it takes to get them the help they need... and then some. Entry level players are cheap and have a way of sorting themselve out by the end of those ELCs and also conform to what's going on here. Moving out 2nd teir players for a shot at another part of your core is a risk i'm willing to take.

This years 2nd tier of centers (Strome/Huberdeau/Couturier)sounds too much like the 08 draft class, 2nd tier of centers for my liking.

(Wilson/Baily/Hodgson)

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#44 mayorpoop
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

With a front loaded deal we could very resonably get one of the two for 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd, maybe even one 1st + 2nd + 3rd if the cap goes up enough this year.

can you front load like that on a rfa deal? i am skeptical that you could arrange the deal that way. if so well then for a 1 + 2 + 3 then maybe (a big maybe) otherwise i dont like it.

nashville will not let him go anyway.

webber was 2nd rd pick i believe.

lets just take all our picks after the second rd and select defenceman, one will work out...maybe.

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can you front load like that on a rfa deal? i am skeptical that you could arrange the deal that way. if so well then for a 1 + 2 + 3 then maybe (a big maybe) otherwise i dont like it.

nashville will not let him go anyway.

webber was 2nd rd pick i believe.

lets just take all our picks after the second rd and select defenceman, one will work out...maybe.

Ya you can front load any deal.

Why on earth would 1+2+3 be a "maybe"? That would be the steal of the century for us and go down as a worse trade then the Thorton deal for them.

I'm sure Nashville wants to keep him, but are they willing/able to cut 11 million/year cheques for him for the next 4-5 years?

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I really like that he "Knows who he wants" by now he should! it shows that he has a system and does not just feel his way along. I sure he has his own grading system so he can measure intangibles etc. I also know he would never share that system because if it keeps working there will be a ton of scouts scouting him. Trying to see what he sees. Another two drafts were he is finding late jewels and other teams will be after him in all forms. Trying to spy on him and sign him. Mimic what he does and whom he sees etc. Could be as good as any Bond film. It would sell only in Canada however too bad. Stu needs an Aston Martin snow mobile.

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@Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"

Props for randomness and snowmobiles

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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

As for my roster: Too many variables to nail down any type of accurate call.

Ideally I'd scoup either Webber or Yandle via RFA and complement him with a resonable "stop gap" vetran (Rivet/Sopel/Hedja... someone in that class)

If that fell through, I'd try to land at least one of prefferably two of: Bieksa/Brewer/Wisniewski/Erhoff/Hannan/Jovanoski if we can only grab one of these guys I'd still add one from the Rivet/Sopel/Hedja grouping.

I'd also strongly consider trading Hemsky for a proven 2/3 dman under 30, or a young top 6 center (Brassard/Berglund/Oshie)

I'd send Bulin to the KHL or the AHL and sign a decent platoon goalie (or maybe try and get one of the Caps three young goalies).

I'd pick up 2 bottom 6 wingers, (one that can fight)(Upshall/Eager/Higgins/GlenX) and a 2nd Horcoff type down the middle(Laich/Reasoner/Kopcky).

If we can add One top 6 center then great, I can't see it happening though. If we can add 2 I dump Omark and move Gagner over to RW2.

I'd gamble that Weber signs a one yr extension with the Preds, take a shot at him the next deadline (Paajarvi,Plante and 2012 first) Weber is my first choice, Yandle is plan B in my books. Your plan on the back end gets a thumbs up from me as long as we don't give up all those first rounders for Weber.

Like your idea on the goalie front, i'd take Holtby anyday, could be the future No.1 there. Holtby and Dubnyk could push each other for a couple yrs.

Feel the top 6/top 9 are every bit as important as the top 2 blueliners are, without guys pushing each other for those minutes all is lost as far as i'm concerned. Drafting 2 centers as well as Glencross and Upshall will fill some of those spots. Konopka/Rypien would help as well..... not sure Gagner has the stones for RW2, RW3 maybe.

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#50 derrickhands
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If anyone saw the MH Tigers and RD rebels playoff series would know why the Oilers cannot afford to draft RNH. The Oilers biggest weaknesses were defense and in the face-off circle and RNH doesn't supply either and the Oilers do not have the big wingers to protect him like he had.

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