FTHM PART I: WITH THE FIRST PICK . . .

Robin Brownlee
May 03 2011 08:42AM

Edmonton Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor knows whose name he wants to call with the team's second consecutive first overall pick at the NHL Entry Draft in Minnesota June 24.

Of course, MacGregor isn't about to tell me who he has in mind, and he's not above letting people try to sway his opinion when he and his scouting staff, along with GM Steve Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, open four days of meetings in Phoenix May 15.

Regardless of who MacGregor has in mind, it won't be a two-horse race (one that soon turned into a runaway for Taylor Hall over Tyler Seguin) like it was a year ago at this time when he and his scouts compared a season worth of notes and put together a final list heading into Los Angeles.

My guess is Ryan Nugent-Hopkins of the Red Deer Rebels is the player MacGregor has pegged for the top pick. Then again, it could just as well be smooth Swedish defenseman Adam Larsson. And what about big Sean Couturier of Drummondville, red-hot Jonathan Huberdeau of Saint John or Gabriel Landeskog of Kitchener?

If you look at the rankings of all the different scouting services and talk to hockey people, you can make a case that any one of the above players should be part of the conversation. Does that diversity of opinion exist on MacGregor's staff?

That's what the meeting is for.

MACGREGOR HAS HIS GUY

"I'm pretty good on one, yes," said MacGregor, when I asked him if he's leaning toward any one player at this point. "I feel pretty good about my guy, yes."

A lot of people would be willing to wager that the gifted but undersized Nugent-Hopkins is the player MacGregor likes with the first overall pick. The slight centre obviously has talent and he plays a position the Oilers didn't fill last summer when they took Hall over Seguin.

After all, MacGregor and a rotating series of Edmonton scouts, along with Lowe and Tambellini among other team brass, have had eyes on the kid, as you'd expect, several times this season.

Then again, MacGregor just got back from the east coast where he was following Huberdeau, who has been tearing it up of late. And he was just over in Europe to see Larsson. Eyes on Couturier. Eyes on Landeskog. He's been living out of a suitcase, making only occasional stops back home in Kamloops.

"There's a lot more players in the mix this year than there was last year," said MacGregor, who was completely sold on Hall by the time the staff met at Predator Ridge a year ago. "Probably four or five . . . I would think that you could hear, probably, four."

THE PROCESS

By the time Hall and Windsor rolled through the playoffs and Memorial Cup a year ago, it was obvious to MacGregor who the Oilers had to pick. It's not nearly as cut-and-dried this time, and that's why there's bound to be plenty of lively debate in Arizona.

"This is where we put our final list together," MacGregor said. "We make some major decisions on positioning and how it all fits together."

If there isn't a clear and concise consensus with his staff, MacGregor gets the deciding vote. It's a standard part of a process in which a year or more of travelling, drinking bad coffee and taking notes culminates with everybody making a case for the player they have in mind.

"If you watched Oil Change, this is where everybody was talking about each player (a year ago)," MacGregor said. "This is where most of your major discussions go on. We'll have more at the draft and so on, but this is where the majority of your work gets done."

Is Nugent-Hopkins the player MacGregor has in mind? He isn't saying. Might he be swayed if one or two or more of his scouts insist Couturier, Larsson, Landeskog or Huberdeau is the way to go? Maybe. By the way, who is the one you're "pretty good on," Stu?

"That's a good one," he laughed. "I knew that was coming."

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#51 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 01:05PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'd gamble that Weber signs a one yr extension with the Preds, take a shot at him the next deadline (Paajarvi,Plante and 2012 first) Weber is my first choice, Yandle is plan B in my books. Your plan on the back end gets a thumbs up from me as long as we don't give up all those first rounders for Weber.

Like your idea on the goalie front, i'd take Holtby anyday, could be the future No.1 there. Holtby and Dubnyk could push each other for a couple yrs.

Feel the top 6/top 9 are every bit as important as the top 2 blueliners are, without guys pushing each other for those minutes all is lost as far as i'm concerned. Drafting 2 centers as well as Glencross and Upshall will fill some of those spots. Konopka/Rypien would help as well..... not sure Gagner has the stones for RW2, RW3 maybe.

The only high end guy (still in his prime) that I can think of that's gone the one year route is Semin.

Weber easily has a 50+ million contract waiting for him at the end of this year, maybe closer to 100 million.

Can't see him risking that to injury.

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#52 Wax Man Riley
May 03 2011, 01:09PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

You can sit tight and watch yet another lottery season roll by your driver side window Obbie... your expectations obviously remain at curb height. I'll take my chances with Horcoff,Strome,Huberdeau,Cogliano,Brule over anything you have to offer up.

I'm sure if you put your center ice preferences up it would have 30th place written all over it.

Take a shot at Glencross and Upshall and starting two rookies down the middle isn't such a stretch. Atleast Taylor Hall would start to see something that resembles a comittment to winning here.

I'll take Horcoff, Gagner, Cogliano and Fraser over your hurting (Brule), and fresh-faced rookie lineup any day.

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#53 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 01:10PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya you can front load any deal.

Why on earth would 1+2+3 be a "maybe"? That would be the steal of the century for us and go down as a worse trade then the Thorton deal for them.

I'm sure Nashville wants to keep him, but are they willing/able to cut 11 million/year cheques for him for the next 4-5 years?

it would be a maybe because as you said "cut 11 million/yr cheques for for the 4-5 years".

the cost. possibly it is just me but i dont think webber is worth that much. crazy money for a guy that plays with such an under-rated partner. i think webber is great just not extraordinary like that kind of money would demand.

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#54 Pucker
May 03 2011, 01:16PM
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No doubt Weber is quite good. I think many are over rating him. For sure he's a very good player, I believe a good amount of credit for this must go to Ryan Suter.

I do recall hearing he stumbled while Suter was out and that might be difference between being a very-good player vs an excellent/build-your-defense-around player.

I detest Suter but I sure respect his ability to get the job done (and I wish he played for the Oilers).

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#55 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 01:17PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

it would be a maybe because as you said "cut 11 million/yr cheques for for the 4-5 years".

the cost. possibly it is just me but i dont think webber is worth that much. crazy money for a guy that plays with such an under-rated partner. i think webber is great just not extraordinary like that kind of money would demand.

Unless you are Darryl Katz I don't see why you'd care how much $$ Weber actually put in his pocket.

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#56 madjam
May 03 2011, 01:22PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You have a wierd infatuation with the draft.

It is only one element of building a team. You take the BPA (especially when drafting #1) and then use the other avenues to fill your needs

What other avenues have we proven over last 5 years , that Oilers are any good at ?? None is the correct answer - thats why we are in 30th spot with little hope to turn it around if last 5 years is a fair assessment of what they have done . How can so many of you miss the blatantly obvious ineffectiveness in other parts of the markets we have no good results coming from ? At least with us committed to 30th spot we should have no problem assessing the job that is not getting done on an assessment level equal ,on par or above what they feel it is /should be . Dead last is deadlast afterall - you don't get much worse than that to begin with . We need change and a new vision to correct our course , as we are just not getting anywhere with status quo or incumbents to make any difference . Not like we are going to get worse than 30th spot by doing so.

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#57 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 01:25PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Unless you are Darryl Katz I don't see why you'd care how much $$ Weber actually put in his pocket.

i suppose i am just foolishly considering the end of entry level contracts, other player signings, cap issues....stupid me.

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#58 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 01:35PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

i suppose i am just foolishly considering the end of entry level contracts, other player signings, cap issues....stupid me.

None that has anything (or at least very little) to do with how much $$ he actually puts in his pocket.

We (and the actual team) care about cap-hit, Darryl Katz and his accounts care about salary.

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#59 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 01:36PM
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madjam wrote:

What other avenues have we proven over last 5 years , that Oilers are any good at ?? None is the correct answer - thats why we are in 30th spot with little hope to turn it around if last 5 years is a fair assessment of what they have done . How can so many of you miss the blatantly obvious ineffectiveness in other parts of the markets we have no good results coming from ? At least with us committed to 30th spot we should have no problem assessing the job that is not getting done on an assessment level equal ,on par or above what they feel it is /should be . Dead last is deadlast afterall - you don't get much worse than that to begin with . We need change and a new vision to correct our course , as we are just not getting anywhere with status quo or incumbents to make any difference . Not like we are going to get worse than 30th spot by doing so.

So anyways, you don't draft an inferior player just because we need defense and power forwards.

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#60 Matt Henderson
May 03 2011, 01:38PM
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@madjam

I dont understand how you can assume the Oilers arent achieving their goals. The Oilers havent even TRIED to get anywhere except 30th place yet. Why do they need a course correction?

This course is what got the Oil their best prospects. Acquiring blue-chip prospects is the course. The Goal was never to win. Winning will only become a by-product of the plan after several years.

You say change the course, and I'm asking why would they? All of their plans have paid off. Building still full, on track to negotiate a new one, two 1st overall selections, a revival of the Organizational Depth Chart, and lower spending on Salary.

Tell me why they would want to change their plan now?

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#61 Quicksilver ballet
May 03 2011, 01:45PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The only high end guy (still in his prime) that I can think of that's gone the one year route is Semin.

Weber easily has a 50+ million contract waiting for him at the end of this year, maybe closer to 100 million.

Can't see him risking that to injury.

Makes sense moving up to grab a second premium center this yr then don't you think....especially if Hopkins stays in Red Deer one more yr.

I do agree Weber is as important as the 1st line center position is. If we're going to be sending all these picks Nashvilles way we should have the center issue taken care of by then.

Line of the playoffs has to be Jim Hughson commenting on some of the playoff beards to date. Jim mentiond a beard like what Shea Weber's sporting is usually accompanied with orange coveralls and chains.

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#62 Dman09
May 03 2011, 01:54PM
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I don't think anyone is giving Gabriel Landeskog enough credit at this point. It would not surprise me to see the Oilers try and move Hemsky and the entry draft and take him first overall. Hall and him have played together before and work well together. Also I believe Hall has commented on the type of player and his work ethic and would also like to have him in the Oilers organisation. Chemistry is a key component of every team and I think that needs some attention. If the Oilers could pull off a Gabriel Landeskog and Sean Couterier while off loading Hemsky and maybe a low draft I'm okay with that. Hemsky's injuries and the ? of whether he resigns here and at what price makes me feel that he isn't part of the future here anymore.

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#63 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 01:59PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Makes sense moving up to grab a second premium center this yr then don't you think....especially if Hopkins stays in Red Deer one more yr.

I do agree Weber is as important as the 1st line center position is. If we're going to be sending all these picks Nashvilles way we should have the center issue taken care of by then.

Line of the playoffs has to be Jim Hughson commenting on some of the playoff beards to date. Jim mentiond a beard like what Shea Weber's sporting is usually accompanied with orange coveralls and chains.

I don't think there is one center in this draft that will put up 40+ points next year.

If we are grabbing another center in the top 10 it's for 3+ years from now, not next year IMO.

I would strongly consider moving Hemsky+19+something small though because of health/contract concerns.

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#64 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 02:00PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

None that has anything (or at least very little) to do with how much $$ he actually puts in his pocket.

We (and the actual team) care about cap-hit, Darryl Katz and his accounts care about salary.

i dont care how much he puts in his pocket but im not the one who said that 11 mil per yr figure either and then on the other hand said we can front load the rfa deal.

so what is it? if we front load then it wont be 11 mil p/yr but if we dont then cap issues galore.

pick your pleasure.

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#65 brodie
May 03 2011, 02:00PM
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Why would Shea Weber want to sign with the Oiler's. He's at the point in his career where he wants to contend for a Cup not wonder whom his teams lottery pick is going to be.

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#66 Matt Henderson
May 03 2011, 02:02PM
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brodie wrote:

Why would Shea Weber want to sign with the Oiler's. He's at the point in his career where he wants to contend for a Cup not wonder whom his teams lottery pick is going to be.

QFT

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#67 Oilfan00
May 03 2011, 02:02PM
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@madjam

So your saying last years draft was a bust as well? and Eberle and MPS? I would say Gagner at 6 hasn't panned out yet but since he didn't pan out that is no reason to avoid taking the #1 prospect in RNH. What is your take on him? I know you said why take him when the whole Oilers roster is filled with players like him but how so? Other then his size his skill is far superior to other players on the Oilers (minus Hall/Hemsky). My question is why are you saying that it would be a mistake to draft and my second question is have you ever seen him play?

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#68 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
May 03 2011, 02:09PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

By now he should?

Pending playoff performances, scouting meetings and second opinions about kids who might be too close to call right now . . .

Does Not mean he can not change his mind but playoffs should hopefully just confirm a solid decision. If he is to change his mind it would be because the player chosen had a slight edge and new factors came to light. He should walk in to that room with conviction as should they all. Then a good hot debate can ensue as they push their points. We don't want any namby pamby yes sir if that is what you want sir! coming from a scout in the Oilers. The best business decisions happen in a room were every one has a strong opinion but is also very willing to listen. It is a very special type of relationship and if it is the culture that Magnificent Stu creates it is no wonder we have done so well in the draft with him as the leader. Have conviction but willing to change for a good solid logical argument!

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#69 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 02:13PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

i dont care how much he puts in his pocket but im not the one who said that 11 mil per yr figure either and then on the other hand said we can front load the rfa deal.

so what is it? if we front load then it wont be 11 mil p/yr but if we dont then cap issues galore.

pick your pleasure.

I said 11 million for 4 or 5 years, the next 10 would be on a declining schedule.

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#70 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 02:16PM
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brodie wrote:

Why would Shea Weber want to sign with the Oiler's. He's at the point in his career where he wants to contend for a Cup not wonder whom his teams lottery pick is going to be.

Well who knows if he actualy would or not, but if we can offer him 11 per (in his pocket) and the Preds could only offer him 6 per (in his pocket)

Then that's 5 million reason why (for multiple years) he might consider it.

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#71 Quicksilver ballet
May 03 2011, 02:31PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I'll take Horcoff, Gagner, Cogliano and Fraser over your hurting (Brule), and fresh-faced rookie lineup any day.

Those 2 fresh faced rookie centers have changed their diet for the remainder of the off season. Both are eating nails for breakfast for the rest of the summer.

[url]http://youtube.com/Obbiesaidso[url/]

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#72 Peterborough
May 03 2011, 02:32PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya you can front load any deal.

Why on earth would 1+2+3 be a "maybe"? That would be the steal of the century for us and go down as a worse trade then the Thorton deal for them.

I'm sure Nashville wants to keep him, but are they willing/able to cut 11 million/year cheques for him for the next 4-5 years?

11 per is max money no? that would be the four first rounders then, no thanks. He is the whole F'N show down there the face of the franchise and they have got a good thing going. Pick someone else.

Also aquaiting Brooks Laich to Marty Reasoner? C'mon man. Wait for the kids to develope. Sign UFA to over pay two year contracts. By the end of them we will have a really competitive team and wouldn't have to over pay anyone.

Just keep the faith and stay the course.

PS man its gonna be sucky next year again. 18-26th overall depending on the will of the gods.

PPS I'm picking 25th

EDIT: okay so a 11 year deal front loaded you mean? NOt sure that Nashville is that cash starved, but if they we're you would need big cash up front 25 mill in the first year or more . . . like the Rangers tried to do with Sakic.

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#73 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 02:39PM
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Peterborough wrote:

11 per is max money no? that would be the four first rounders then, no thanks. He is the whole F'N show down there the face of the franchise and they have got a good thing going. Pick someone else.

Also aquaiting Brooks Laich to Marty Reasoner? C'mon man. Wait for the kids to develope. Sign UFA to over pay two year contracts. By the end of them we will have a really competitive team and wouldn't have to over pay anyone.

Just keep the faith and stay the course.

PS man its gonna be sucky next year again. 18-26th overall depending on the will of the gods.

PPS I'm picking 25th

EDIT: okay so a 11 year deal front loaded you mean? NOt sure that Nashville is that cash starved, but if they we're you would need big cash up front 25 mill in the first year or more . . . like the Rangers tried to do with Sakic.

I could be wrong but I believe RFA compensation is based on cap hit, not dollars paid.

Pay him max dollars (20% of the cap, will be about 12 million next year) for the first 4 or 5 years and then go on a declining schedule to reduce the cap hit into the 7 million range so the compensation is either 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd or 1st+2nd+3rd.

"Sign UFA to over pay two year contracts. By the end of them we will have a really competitive team and wouldn't have to over pay anyone."

Yes, that is what Laich or Reasoner would be for....

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#74 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 02:51PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I said 11 million for 4 or 5 years, the next 10 would be on a declining schedule.

you are blowing my mind here and i love it.

ok just to clarify pay him 11 mil p/yr for the first four years (but only a cap hit of seven tho, right because we are front loading here) then for the next ten years pay him on a declining schedule.

What is the total of your contract so i can understand the remaining years cap hits?

and...so we are signing a bruising big defenceman, who is very good, to a 14 or 15 year contract.

~perfectly logical solution to our defence problems to me~.

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#75 brodie
May 03 2011, 02:54PM
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On the Team 1260 show Oiler's Lunch Steve Tambellini said they are not going to try and sign any "whales". In other words they are not going after any A List free agents.

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#76 Dman09
May 03 2011, 03:00PM
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I think signing anyone to a 15 year contract is retarded. What if they get injuried and are nowhere near as affective once returning and you have say 10 years left on the contract. Do you think possibly that might hurt your team?

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#77 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 03:01PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

you are blowing my mind here and i love it.

ok just to clarify pay him 11 mil p/yr for the first four years (but only a cap hit of seven tho, right because we are front loading here) then for the next ten years pay him on a declining schedule.

What is the total of your contract so i can understand the remaining years cap hits?

and...so we are signing a bruising big defenceman, who is very good, to a 14 or 15 year contract.

~perfectly logical solution to our defence problems to me~.

~Ya I would have hated to have had Chris Pronger from 25 - 39 at 7 million per~

Just for arguments sake we'll start with 12 million per.

12 - 12 - 12 - 12 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

14 year deal 91 million 6.5 cap hit but theirs dozens of possible scenarios.

~Real confusing, groud breaking stuff~

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#78 TEAM - NuHo 4 LIFE
May 03 2011, 03:02PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

QFT

#1 responce EVER

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#79 Quicksilver ballet
May 03 2011, 03:02PM
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I'd part with those 2 firsts, a second and a third for Weber. A cap hit between 6 and 7.5 would be an easy benchmark to hit.

The plan B route, what would Yandle be worth?

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#80 freeze
May 03 2011, 03:06PM
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Heh, that draft (lottery?) party picture is pretty funny. Is that old Asian dude drooling over the Octane Girls?

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#81 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 03:12PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

~Ya I would have hated to have had Chris Pronger from 25 - 39 at 7 million per~

Just for arguments sake we'll start with 12 million per.

12 - 12 - 12 - 12 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

14 year deal 91 million 6.5 cap hit but theirs dozens of possible scenarios.

~Real confusing, groud breaking stuff~

never said i was confused, you just didnt provide adequate details.

i also realize your are dealing with make believe numbers cause you are not mr. dithers, i think?

i would have hated to have pronger for that long at that price. that is a really long time for a physical defenceman...they are not lidstrom.

i dont understand these crazy long term deals to begin with, doesn't seem like good business to me.

thanks for the debate but on this topic sorry OB1 i will going with the dark side....whoever they may be.

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#82 Wax Man Riley
May 03 2011, 03:15PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

QFT

What does Quantum Field Theory have to do with hockey?

...Yes, I had to Google this acronym.

For anyone as out of touch with internet slang this means Quoted for Truth, and I too gave brodie props.

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#83 mayorpoop
May 03 2011, 03:17PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

What does Quantum Field Theory have to do with hockey?

...Yes, I had to Google this acronym.

For anyone as out of touch with internet slang this means Quoted for Truth, and I too gave brodie props.

thanks. the version i had im my, obviously twisted, mind was much much worse.

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#84 DoubleJ
May 03 2011, 03:19PM
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I would love Webber. But I'd be happy with Bieksa or Ehrhoff and wouldn't cost near as much.

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#85 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 03:21PM
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Dman09 wrote:

I think signing anyone to a 15 year contract is retarded. What if they get injuried and are nowhere near as affective once returning and you have say 10 years left on the contract. Do you think possibly that might hurt your team?

Theirs what? 8 - 10 of these super long term deals out there right now?

Only one of them (Dipi - NYI) isn't looking like a resonable deal or better.

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#86 Professor
May 03 2011, 03:23PM
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@ OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F

Pronger $5 million Letang $3.5 million Lidstrom $6.2 million Boyle $6.6 million Keith $5.5 million

How is Weber worth $11 million? Once again I am so glad that you aren't the GM of the Oilers.

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#87 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 03:26PM
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Professor wrote:

@ OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F

Pronger $5 million Letang $3.5 million Lidstrom $6.2 million Boyle $6.6 million Keith $5.5 million

How is Weber worth $11 million? Once again I am so glad that you aren't the GM of the Oilers.

@ Professor

Read through the thread a little more closely.

Once again I am so glad that you aren't actually a professor.

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#88 Peterborough
May 03 2011, 03:26PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I could be wrong but I believe RFA compensation is based on cap hit, not dollars paid.

Pay him max dollars (20% of the cap, will be about 12 million next year) for the first 4 or 5 years and then go on a declining schedule to reduce the cap hit into the 7 million range so the compensation is either 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd or 1st+2nd+3rd.

"Sign UFA to over pay two year contracts. By the end of them we will have a really competitive team and wouldn't have to over pay anyone."

Yes, that is what Laich or Reasoner would be for....

Again Laich and Reasoner are not comparables at all. They both play hockey it ends there.

I really don't see that not being matched for Weber again FACE OF THE FRANCHISE. you would need a 30 30 5 3 2 1 1 seven year deal that might have a chance. But I really doubt it.

PS Like the way you think though.

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#89 Wax Man Riley
May 03 2011, 03:29PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

~Ya I would have hated to have had Chris Pronger from 25 - 39 at 7 million per~

Just for arguments sake we'll start with 12 million per.

12 - 12 - 12 - 12 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

14 year deal 91 million 6.5 cap hit but theirs dozens of possible scenarios.

~Real confusing, groud breaking stuff~

I think that a 14 year contract is a terrible idea and the best way to handicap a team for years to come. Anything more than a 5 year deal is ludicrous.

Ask Shawn Horcoff. Or DiPietro. Or Luongo. Or Hossa. Kovalchuck is still weighing his answer.*

Too many things can happen over 9, 10, 11, or 14 years. Terrible cap management.

Leave Weber in Nashville if he is going to command $10+M per year. I like his play a lot. He is a very good defenseman, but way too much risk in that contract.

I will take Chara at 5 years 7.5M per year any day.

*By asking the players, I mean ask how the teams that signed them feel about it

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#90 Truth
May 03 2011, 03:30PM
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I would argue that Campbell's contract in Chicago forced them to blow up a stanley cup winning team. Point in case right there; young team up and coming with contracts to be signed but cannot with a ridiculous long term contract on the books for an underachieving defencemen. Good, but not worth his $$$.

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#91 Matt Henderson
May 03 2011, 03:31PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

What does Quantum Field Theory have to do with hockey?

...Yes, I had to Google this acronym.

For anyone as out of touch with internet slang this means Quoted for Truth, and I too gave brodie props.

True story; I actually meant Quantum Field Theory

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#92 Professor
May 03 2011, 03:33PM
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@ OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F

It's a waste of time trying to talk to you.... The Oilers are going to build through the draft and won't ruin that rebuild by going after Weber so you can stop posting about going after this big name player or that big name player because it isn't going to happen.

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#93 Wax Man Riley
May 03 2011, 03:37PM
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@Professor

They are creating their own big name players.

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#94 Wax Man Riley
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@Professor

They are creating their own big name players.

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#95 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Peterborough wrote:

Again Laich and Reasoner are not comparables at all. They both play hockey it ends there.

I really don't see that not being matched for Weber again FACE OF THE FRANCHISE. you would need a 30 30 5 3 2 1 1 seven year deal that might have a chance. But I really doubt it.

PS Like the way you think though.

Talk about nit picking.

I wasn't trying to compare them, I was listing a few a solid centers that can play a decent 2 way game.

Who knows, they might match. I have a hard time seeing a team that pays 50 million for total payroll willing to pony up 12 for one guy.

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#96 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 03 2011, 03:39PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I think that a 14 year contract is a terrible idea and the best way to handicap a team for years to come. Anything more than a 5 year deal is ludicrous.

Ask Shawn Horcoff. Or DiPietro. Or Luongo. Or Hossa. Kovalchuck is still weighing his answer.*

Too many things can happen over 9, 10, 11, or 14 years. Terrible cap management.

Leave Weber in Nashville if he is going to command $10+M per year. I like his play a lot. He is a very good defenseman, but way too much risk in that contract.

I will take Chara at 5 years 7.5M per year any day.

*By asking the players, I mean ask how the teams that signed them feel about it

Or ask Mike Richards, or AO, or Backstrom etc etc

And how exactly are Luongo, Hossa or Kovalchuck bad deals at this point? (And Horcoffs is completly uncomparable)

It's a risk either way, signt them short term and you could lose them for nothing when the term comes up.

Sign them long term and you risk injury/ineffective play.

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#97 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Professor wrote:

@ OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F

It's a waste of time trying to talk to you.... The Oilers are going to build through the draft and won't ruin that rebuild by going after Weber so you can stop posting about going after this big name player or that big name player because it isn't going to happen.

A waste of time because you couldn't grasp this simple topic?

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#98 Dan the Man
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

~Ya I would have hated to have had Chris Pronger from 25 - 39 at 7 million per~

Just for arguments sake we'll start with 12 million per.

12 - 12 - 12 - 12 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

14 year deal 91 million 6.5 cap hit but theirs dozens of possible scenarios.

~Real confusing, groud breaking stuff~

For RFA offer sheets compensation is based on the cap hit for the length of the contract or the cap hit for the first five years, whichever is the lower number of years.

In your scenario even though it only generates a 6.5 cap hit to the team, for compensation purposes the cap hit would be based on the first 5 years only resulting in an 11.6 cap hit so the Oilers would be giving up 4 first rounders.

Edit: Compensation cap hit on contracts over 5 years is based on total value of contract divided by 5.

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#99 Bruce
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Hold the phone with these ridicuolous front-loaded contracts. RFA compensation is determined by dividing the total dollar amount of the contract by the number of years in it OR by five, whichever is LESS. So a ten-year, $60 MM offer sheet may have an average cap hit of $6 MM, but for compensation purposes would be caluclated as $60 MM / 5 = $12 MM and a boatload of draft picks (four first rounders). Doesn't matter how front or backloaded it is. The idea is to circumvent the kind of ridiculous contracts being proposed above.

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#100 Dman09
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I think having Reasoner and Smyth would be great for the team as long as they are 1 or 2 year deals. I think a guy like Smyth is the perfect role model for a lot of the young guys on this team and Reasoner has always seem consistent and reliable. I still don't think Cogs, gagner, fraser, JFJ,Storts are what this team needs anymore and they should be looking to find them other and in some ways better opportunities with other clubs.

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