Combine List 2011

Lowetide
May 04 2011 05:45PM

It's a subtle item, but the NHL's combine invite list may give Edmonton Oiler fans a "key to the highway" for their team's entry draft. 

Last season, the National Hockey League invited 100 prospects to the NHL combine. Over a several day period, they were physically tested and had an opportunity to interview with interested team. The Edmonton Oilers were front and center, and the Oil Change cameras came along too (the famous Taylor Hall quote about wanting to be an Oiler ignited the fanbase).

Here are the kids invited so far, and I've made a few comments on some of the prospects.

Seth Ambroz Omaha USHL RW 6-foot-2 211
Olivier Archambault Val d'Or QMJHL LW 5-foot-11 170
Sven Baertschi-big playoff Portland WHL LW 5-foot-10 181
Nathan Beaulieu Saint John QMJHL D 6-foot-2 174
Myles Bell-x Regina WHL D 6-foot 214
Tyler Biggs USA U-18 USHL RW 6-foot-2 210
Austen Brassard Belleville OHL RW 6-foot-2 191
Daniel Catenacci Sault Ste. Marie OHL C 5-foot-10 183
Adam Clendening Boston University HE D 5-foot-11` 190
Nick Cousins Sault Ste. Marie OHL C 5-foot-11 166
Sean Couturier-he's a stud C Drummondville QMJHL C 6-foot-4 197
Joseph Cramarossa Mississauga St. Michael's OHL C 6-foot 188
Phillip Danault Victoriaville QMJHL LW 6-foot 170
Joel Edmundson-big and mobile Moose Jaw WHL D 6-foot-5 191
Travis Ewanyk-impressing late Edmonton WHL LW 6-foot-1 178
Rocco Grimaldi USA U-18 USHL C 5-foot-6 163
Dougie Hamilton- top 10 talent Niagara OHL D 6-foot-4 187
Jonathan Huberdeau-top 3 pick? Saint John QMJHL C 6-foot-1 170
Philippe Hudon Choate-Rosemary HIGH-CT C/RW 6-foot 190
Colin Jacobs Seattle WHL C 6-foot-1 197
Boone Jenner Oshawa OHL C 6-foot-1 204
Nicklas Jensen Oshawa OHL LW/RW 6-foot-2 187
Tomas Jurco Saint John QMJHL RW 6-foot-2 187
Alexander Khokhlachev Windsor OHL C/LW 5-foot-10 188
Patrick Koudys Rensselaer ECAC D 6-foot-2 190
Sean Kuraly Indiana USHL C 6-foot-2 192
Joseph Labate Holy Angels HIGH-MN C 6-foot-4 180
Gabriel Landeskog-NHL ready Kitchener OHL LW 6-foot-1 207
Zac Larraza USA U-18 USHL LW 6-foot-2 192
Maximilien LeSieur Shawinigan QMJHL RW 6-foot-2 203
Lucas Lessio Oshawa OHL LW 6-foot-1 197
Luke Lockhart Seattle WHL RW 5-foot-10 180
Adam Lowry Swift Current WHL LW 6-foot-4 186
Mario Lucia Wayzata HIGH-MN LW 6-foot-2 183
Scott Mayfield Youngstown  USHL D 6-foot-4 197
Mark McNeill-PF is a 2-way C Prince Albert WHL C 6-foot-2 201
Jonathan Miller USA U-18 USHL C 6-foot-1 198
Joseph Morrow-could be an Oiler Portland WHL D 6-foot 197
Connor Murphy USA U-18 USHL D 6-foot-3 185
Ryan Murphy-ridiculous talent Kitchener OHL D 5-foot-11 166
David Musil Vancouver WHL D 6-foot-3 198
Vladislav Namestnikov London OHL C 6-foot 166
Matthew Nieto Boston University HE LW 5-foot-11 175
Marcel Noebels Seattle WHL LW 6-foot-3 195
Stefan Noesen Plymouth OHL RW 6-foot 195
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-best available? Red Deer WHL C 6-foot-1 164
Scott Oke Saint John QMJHL LW 6-foot-3 185
Jamieson Oleksiak-Beyond huge Northeastern HE D 6-foot-7 244
Xavier Ouellet Montreal QMJHL D 6-foot 174
Stuart Percy Mississauga St. Michael's OHL D 6-foot-1 186
Zack Phillips-showing well late Saint John QMJHL C 6-foot-1 178
Shane Prince Ottawa OHL C 5-foot-10 174
Matt Puempel Peterborough OHL LW 6-foot 196
Alan Quine Peterborough OHL C 5-foot-11 178
Jonathan Racine Shawinigan QMJHL D 6-foot-1 182
Rickard Rakell Plymouth OHL RW 6-foot 191
Ty Rattie-underrated talent Portland WHL RW 5-foot-11 163
Mike Reilly Shattuck-St. Mary's HIGH-MN D 5-foot-11 150
Tobias Rieder Kitchener OHL C 5-foot-11 173
Brett Ritchie Sarnia OHL RW 6-foot-3 210
Robbie Russo USA U-18 USHL D 6-foot 189
Brandon Saad Saginaw OHL LW 6-foot-1 208
Reece Scarlett Swift Current WHL D 6-foot-1 164
Mark Scheifele-drawing attention late Barrie OHL C 6-foot-2 182
Logan Shaw Cape Breton QMJHL RW 6-foot-3 197
Nicholas Shore Denver WCHA C 6-foot 195
Duncan Siemens Saskatoon WHL D 6-foot-3 192
Ryan Sproul Sault Ste. Marie OHL D 6-foot-3 175
Michael St. Croix-still under the radar Edmotnon WHL C 5-foot-11 176
Ryan Strome-wonderful prospect Niagara OHL C 6-foot 175
Colin Sullivan Avon Old Farms HIGH-CT D 6-foot-1 190
Ryan Tesink Saint John QMJHL C 5-foot-11 157
Vincent Trocheck Saginaw OHL C 5-foot-10 184
Andy Welinski Green Bay  USHL D 6-foot 188
Tyler Wotherspoon-Oil could use him Portland WHL D 6-foot-1 203
Zachary Yuen Tri-City WHL D 6-foot 205
 
NORTH AMERICAN GOALTENDERS
Jordan Binnington Owen Sound OHL   6-foot-1 156
Laurent Brossoit Edmonton WHL   6-foot-3 193
Christopher Gibson Chicoutimi QMJHL   6-foot-1 193
John Gibson USA U-18 USHL   6-foot-3 205
Matt Mahalak Plymouth OHL   6-foot-2 183
Matt McNeely USA U-18 USHL   6-foot-2 205
Stephen Michalek Loomis Chaffee  HIGH-CT   6-foot-2 183
Michael Morrison  Kitchener OHL   6-foot 177
 
EUROPEAN SKATERS
Joel Armia-big and skilled Assat FIN RW 6-foot-3 191
Rasmus Bengtsson Rogle SWE-2 D 6-foot-3 189
Jeremy Boyce Rotevall Timra SWE LW 6-foot 169
Jonas Brodin Farjestad SWE D 6-foot-1 169
Max Friberg Skovde SWE-3 LW 5-foot-11 185
Markus Granlund HIFK FIN-JR C 5-foot-10 169
Gregory Hofmann Ambri SWISS C 6-foot 177
Dmitri Jaskin Slavia CZE RW 6-foot-1 196
Karl Johansson Brynas SWE-JR D 5-foot-9 167
Oscar Klefbom Farjestad SWE D 6-foot-4 200
Nikita Kucherov CSKA RUS-JR W 5-foot-10 163
Adam Larsson-franchise player? Skelleftea SWE D 6-foot-3 200
Joachim Nermark Linkoping SWE-JR C 6-foot-1 187
Victor Rask Leskand SWE-2 C 6-foot-2 194
Alexander Ruuttu Jokerit FIN-JR C 6-foot-1 183
Miikka Salomaki Karpat FIN RW 5-foot-11 198
Mika Zibanejad-late push Djurgarden SWE C 6-foot-2 191
 
EUROPEAN GOALTENDER
Samu Perhonen JYP FIN-JR   6-foot-4 172

One of the reasons I think this list is important? Last season, the Oilers drafted SEVEN of the kids who were at the 2010 combine: Tyler Bunz, Brandon Davidson, Taylor Hall, Curtis Hamilton, Martin Marincin, Ryan Martindale, Tyler Pitlick.

The combine goes from May 30 through June 4.

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#51 speeds
May 05 2011, 10:37AM
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Woodguy wrote:

Offer sheeting Frolik is a great idea. It would be tough for CHI to match given their cap situation and only giving up a 2nd is easily worth price.

Great young player, and you can never have enough of those. Played against tough comp for last 2 years in FLA and kept his head above water.

Its funny that some people point at Victor Hedman and say "that's why you don't take a Dman high in the draft"

Hedman is 2nd on TBY in ice-time for the playoffs (only behind Brewer)

He -3, but he's in a shut down role against the best in the world and he's only 20 years old.

If anything, when people point to Hedman it should be in support of taking Larsson, not against it.

I wonder if the following is something EDM might look at - how long range do the Oilers plan?

OS Stamkos this summer, and you either get him or you make TB pay a bunch to keep him. Then, the following summer, if you don't get Stamkos this summer, OS Hedman when TB might be cap pinched, and you'll have added RNH (or whoever) along with potentially another top 5 pick in the meantime. And the 1sts you lose for Hedman would be 2013 and beyond, when the team projects to be better and thus the draft pick costs reduced.

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#52 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 05 2011, 10:46AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

The idea is after 1 year he will become a UFA and he could leave Nashville behind.

Personally, I dont see that happening. He's the Captain, has a great Defence partner in Suter, has a stable coach who is respected league wide, has likely laid down roots in the city he's called home for 6 seasons, he's on a playoff team, and he's relatively under the radar (in Nashville). The only way he leaves is if the Preds absolutely refuse to pay him even close to value.

Ya I get why people *want* him to take a one year contract.

Can't see that happening though, even if he played hardball you'd think Nashville would cashin their #1 asset via trade (or RFA) rather then risk losing him in one more year for nothing.

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#53 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 05 2011, 10:49AM
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speeds wrote:

The problem with OS Weber is that it would likely cost too much before you reach enough money+compensation for NSH to walk away. We don't have the 2011 RFA compensation limits yet, but it might take an offer of 5 years, 40 mil, before NSH would walk away, which would be pushing the limits of the 2-1sts, 1-2nd, 1-3rd compensation range. If you go beyond 5 years (at a rate even close to that) or for more money than that, the compensation jumps to 4-1sts. I think it's debatable whether NSH would pay Weber 8 mil a year, but maybe they would on a 5 year deal where they don't have the long term injury risk of a 15 year deal. Either way, one could argue that keeping him for 7.9 mil a year for 5 years makes more sense than EDM paying him the same, plus losing potential top 5, 35, 65 picks plus a 2013 1st, while not really expecting to push for the Cup in the first 2 years of that deal anyways. At this point in EDM's rebuild, IMO that's way too risky even for Weber.

Now, if you're DET, looking like a perennial playoff team, with a retiring Lidstrom coming off the books either this summer or fairly soon, picking a top pairing D from a division rival with what will probably be late round firsts makes a lot of sense.

I believe we could go longer then 5 years with an average salary of 7.9 (just not heavy front loaded) and keep the compensation to 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd

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#54 speeds
May 05 2011, 10:56AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I believe we could go longer then 5 years with an average salary of 7.9 (just not heavy front loaded) and keep the compensation to 2x1st + 2nd + 3rd

Nope, OS compensation is calculated as total salary divided by total years, with a max of 5 years used for the RFA compensation calculation.

IE. If you sign Weber to a 5 year, 37.5 mil deal, the compensation is 37.5/5 = 7.5 mil.

If you sign him to a 6 year, 42 mil deal, his average salary is 7 mil per year but as it relates to draft pick compensation, the math is 42/5 (the max number, not the 6 years of the contract), for a compensation number of 8.4 mil

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#55 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 05 2011, 10:58AM
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speeds wrote:

I wonder if the following is something EDM might look at - how long range do the Oilers plan?

OS Stamkos this summer, and you either get him or you make TB pay a bunch to keep him. Then, the following summer, if you don't get Stamkos this summer, OS Hedman when TB might be cap pinched, and you'll have added RNH (or whoever) along with potentially another top 5 pick in the meantime. And the 1sts you lose for Hedman would be 2013 and beyond, when the team projects to be better and thus the draft pick costs reduced.

Not a bad idea, and if it came down to it Stamkos would be one of the few players worth 4 x 1st.

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#56 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 05 2011, 11:00AM
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speeds wrote:

Nope, OS compensation is calculated as total salary divided by total years, with a max of 5 years used for the RFA compensation calculation.

IE. If you sign Weber to a 5 year, 37.5 mil deal, the compensation is 37.5/5 = 7.5 mil.

If you sign him to a 6 year, 42 mil deal, his average salary is 7 mil per year but as it relates to draft pick compensation, the math is 42/5 (the max number, not the 6 years of the contract), for a compensation number of 8.4 mil

Ah, I see. Now that you mention it I believe that was one of the reasons Penners deal was for 5 years.

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#57 Quicksilver ballet
May 05 2011, 11:09AM
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Offer sheets are a great way to start rivalries.

Could the Coyotes be scared off by a front loaded deal for Yandle?

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#58 mayorpoop
May 05 2011, 11:29AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Offer sheets are a great way to start rivalries.

Could the Coyotes be scared off by a front loaded deal for Yandle?

yeah between GM's.

you think the players care...did anaheim and edmonton develop any bad blood?

although i did appreciate the genuine distaste burke and klowe had for each other...that was fun.

how much do offer for yandle?

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#59 jr_christ
May 05 2011, 11:32AM
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What about Jagr?

He'd be good veteran leadership and he MAY come for a decent price for a couple years.

I think it'd be cool to have him with Hemmer. Hell, maybe we can come up with some type of deal that puts Horcoff over in Europe along with the rebhabby-boozin

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#60 jr_christ
May 05 2011, 11:37AM
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jr_christ wrote:

What about Jagr?

He'd be good veteran leadership and he MAY come for a decent price for a couple years.

I think it'd be cool to have him with Hemmer. Hell, maybe we can come up with some type of deal that puts Horcoff over in Europe along with the rebhabby-boozin

ps, i should clarify that horc and habby comments were obviously jokes before someone gets all pedantic on my ass.

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#61 mayorpoop
May 05 2011, 11:39AM
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jr_christ wrote:

What about Jagr?

He'd be good veteran leadership and he MAY come for a decent price for a couple years.

I think it'd be cool to have him with Hemmer. Hell, maybe we can come up with some type of deal that puts Horcoff over in Europe along with the rebhabby-boozin

i'd take smytty back and eat his one yr crap contract before jagr. he has leadership and a love for edmonton.

i don't think jagr and leadership are one in the same.

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#62 speeds
May 05 2011, 11:44AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Not a bad idea, and if it came down to it Stamkos would be one of the few players worth 4 x 1st.

Yeah, I think so as well. Going forward, if it's going to cost me 2-1sts, 1-2nd and a 3rd (or possibly 4 1sts) for Weber, vs. 4-1sts for Stamkos, I think I'd rather bet on the 21 year old C, 5 years younger than Weber.

top 6 of:

Hall-Stamkos-Hemsky Paajarvi-RNH (or whoever) -Eberle

looks not bad to me, 2 or 3 years down the line.

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#63 Woodguy
May 05 2011, 12:33PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I would still rather have Duchene on the Oilers over Hedman, but on a team like Tampa that had Stamkos and Lecavalier it made some sense to take the defender.

I like Duchene too and would take him first. Scoring is always way tougher to get than defenders.

I just have a hair up my ass about people pointing at Hedman as a reason not to pick a Dman and he is fantastic, esp. for a 20 year old.

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#64 Woodguy
May 05 2011, 12:41PM
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speeds wrote:

I wonder if the following is something EDM might look at - how long range do the Oilers plan?

OS Stamkos this summer, and you either get him or you make TB pay a bunch to keep him. Then, the following summer, if you don't get Stamkos this summer, OS Hedman when TB might be cap pinched, and you'll have added RNH (or whoever) along with potentially another top 5 pick in the meantime. And the 1sts you lose for Hedman would be 2013 and beyond, when the team projects to be better and thus the draft pick costs reduced.

It seems like the Oilers are trying to plan long term with all of Tambellini's talk of growing their own players. That takes a lot of time.

Whether or not they would use OS as a tool in the toolbox is not known by me.

On the face of it, I'd say they probably don't as it requires some ruthlessness and backbone (see Doug Wilson's sheet on Hjarlmersonsonsosnoon, then plucking Niemi when they ran out of money), and some forethought other than "It looks like Vanek can score goals, lets offer 4 1sts and 7MM!!"

I think that Wilson wanted either Hjarlmeresosnososon or Niemi and OSing Hj meant one would shake free.

You can do that again to CHI with both Frolik and Crawford being RFA's. Sheet one at 3MM and they can't keep both.

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#65 speeds
May 05 2011, 12:43PM
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speeds wrote:

Yeah, I think so as well. Going forward, if it's going to cost me 2-1sts, 1-2nd and a 3rd (or possibly 4 1sts) for Weber, vs. 4-1sts for Stamkos, I think I'd rather bet on the 21 year old C, 5 years younger than Weber.

top 6 of:

Hall-Stamkos-Hemsky Paajarvi-RNH (or whoever) -Eberle

looks not bad to me, 2 or 3 years down the line.

I should clarify this, because I'm not sure that I would want to spend 4-1sts on Stamkos if it is also going to cost 110 over 10 to get him.

I just meant that IF I were going down the offer sheet road I'd probably rather have Stamkos than Weber, even if it costs 4-1st vs. 2-1sts, 1-2nd, and a 3rd.

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#66 jr_christ
May 05 2011, 12:49PM
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I'm in, let's get STAMMY

WOO

Trade Gagner for some jet fuel for OILFORCE 1 and we're talking magic

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#67 CM
May 05 2011, 03:08PM
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No way TBL lets Stamkos Go...he's going to be locked up this summer and no offersheet is going to take him away from sunny beaches and lower taxes.

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#68 Sean
May 05 2011, 03:22PM
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hello oil faithfull,What do you think about Brooks Laich he is a UFA and a good saskatchewan boy to boot.After watching the Washington series my one concern with the OIL is we cant have to many Euros on the team that dont show up for the playoffs.

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#69 Wax Man Riley
May 05 2011, 05:33PM
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Sean wrote:

hello oil faithfull,What do you think about Brooks Laich he is a UFA and a good saskatchewan boy to boot.After watching the Washington series my one concern with the OIL is we cant have to many Euros on the team that dont show up for the playoffs.

I'm in for Laich fo sho. I think that our Europeans are winners. Omark was pissed when he went down and wanted to be back. He competes all the time.

PRV looks like he was feeling the league out all year. I expect him to be better.

Lander looks like a leader so far. He wears a letter in the SEL, and during the WJC he was captain.

I think the Swedes are a different Breed.

And Teemu plays like he was born in Moose Jaw

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#70 Sean
May 05 2011, 06:49PM
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Good points made Max.I hoped Omark was going to light it up for Oklahoma in the playoffs more than he did.Brooks Laich would be awsome for the young guys with his work ethic.Watching the WHC ive been impressed with Zajac on the draws and would really like it if Tambi could swing a deal for him.

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#71 Tyler
May 06 2011, 11:42AM
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@speeds

Except that sets the economic tone for the core of team. Do you think DET is as successful as they are if they throw Pavol D 7.5-8 Million Dollars. What does Hank demand? Next, next, next. It drives the salaries of the players up and then in turn kills your cap and forces you to split them up. Teams like PHI and CHI (They blew the team up cause of Hossa and their 3rd D being way over paid) convincing young players like Kane/Captain Serious, Carter/Richards for that 5-6 price tag is key. I believe throwing sick money at Stamkos (though he is amazing) sets you up to over spend on the individuals as oppose to having a more equitable TEAM pay scale where everyones still rich, AND winning cups.

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#72 speeds
May 06 2011, 12:50PM
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Tyler wrote:

Except that sets the economic tone for the core of team. Do you think DET is as successful as they are if they throw Pavol D 7.5-8 Million Dollars. What does Hank demand? Next, next, next. It drives the salaries of the players up and then in turn kills your cap and forces you to split them up. Teams like PHI and CHI (They blew the team up cause of Hossa and their 3rd D being way over paid) convincing young players like Kane/Captain Serious, Carter/Richards for that 5-6 price tag is key. I believe throwing sick money at Stamkos (though he is amazing) sets you up to over spend on the individuals as oppose to having a more equitable TEAM pay scale where everyones still rich, AND winning cups.

I think that's a fair point worth consideration. It depends how you structure your RFA offer though.

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