Combine List 2011

Lowetide
May 04 2011 05:45PM

It's a subtle item, but the NHL's combine invite list may give Edmonton Oiler fans a "key to the highway" for their team's entry draft. 

Last season, the National Hockey League invited 100 prospects to the NHL combine. Over a several day period, they were physically tested and had an opportunity to interview with interested team. The Edmonton Oilers were front and center, and the Oil Change cameras came along too (the famous Taylor Hall quote about wanting to be an Oiler ignited the fanbase).

Here are the kids invited so far, and I've made a few comments on some of the prospects.

Seth Ambroz Omaha USHL RW 6-foot-2 211
Olivier Archambault Val d'Or QMJHL LW 5-foot-11 170
Sven Baertschi-big playoff Portland WHL LW 5-foot-10 181
Nathan Beaulieu Saint John QMJHL D 6-foot-2 174
Myles Bell-x Regina WHL D 6-foot 214
Tyler Biggs USA U-18 USHL RW 6-foot-2 210
Austen Brassard Belleville OHL RW 6-foot-2 191
Daniel Catenacci Sault Ste. Marie OHL C 5-foot-10 183
Adam Clendening Boston University HE D 5-foot-11` 190
Nick Cousins Sault Ste. Marie OHL C 5-foot-11 166
Sean Couturier-he's a stud C Drummondville QMJHL C 6-foot-4 197
Joseph Cramarossa Mississauga St. Michael's OHL C 6-foot 188
Phillip Danault Victoriaville QMJHL LW 6-foot 170
Joel Edmundson-big and mobile Moose Jaw WHL D 6-foot-5 191
Travis Ewanyk-impressing late Edmonton WHL LW 6-foot-1 178
Rocco Grimaldi USA U-18 USHL C 5-foot-6 163
Dougie Hamilton- top 10 talent Niagara OHL D 6-foot-4 187
Jonathan Huberdeau-top 3 pick? Saint John QMJHL C 6-foot-1 170
Philippe Hudon Choate-Rosemary HIGH-CT C/RW 6-foot 190
Colin Jacobs Seattle WHL C 6-foot-1 197
Boone Jenner Oshawa OHL C 6-foot-1 204
Nicklas Jensen Oshawa OHL LW/RW 6-foot-2 187
Tomas Jurco Saint John QMJHL RW 6-foot-2 187
Alexander Khokhlachev Windsor OHL C/LW 5-foot-10 188
Patrick Koudys Rensselaer ECAC D 6-foot-2 190
Sean Kuraly Indiana USHL C 6-foot-2 192
Joseph Labate Holy Angels HIGH-MN C 6-foot-4 180
Gabriel Landeskog-NHL ready Kitchener OHL LW 6-foot-1 207
Zac Larraza USA U-18 USHL LW 6-foot-2 192
Maximilien LeSieur Shawinigan QMJHL RW 6-foot-2 203
Lucas Lessio Oshawa OHL LW 6-foot-1 197
Luke Lockhart Seattle WHL RW 5-foot-10 180
Adam Lowry Swift Current WHL LW 6-foot-4 186
Mario Lucia Wayzata HIGH-MN LW 6-foot-2 183
Scott Mayfield Youngstown  USHL D 6-foot-4 197
Mark McNeill-PF is a 2-way C Prince Albert WHL C 6-foot-2 201
Jonathan Miller USA U-18 USHL C 6-foot-1 198
Joseph Morrow-could be an Oiler Portland WHL D 6-foot 197
Connor Murphy USA U-18 USHL D 6-foot-3 185
Ryan Murphy-ridiculous talent Kitchener OHL D 5-foot-11 166
David Musil Vancouver WHL D 6-foot-3 198
Vladislav Namestnikov London OHL C 6-foot 166
Matthew Nieto Boston University HE LW 5-foot-11 175
Marcel Noebels Seattle WHL LW 6-foot-3 195
Stefan Noesen Plymouth OHL RW 6-foot 195
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-best available? Red Deer WHL C 6-foot-1 164
Scott Oke Saint John QMJHL LW 6-foot-3 185
Jamieson Oleksiak-Beyond huge Northeastern HE D 6-foot-7 244
Xavier Ouellet Montreal QMJHL D 6-foot 174
Stuart Percy Mississauga St. Michael's OHL D 6-foot-1 186
Zack Phillips-showing well late Saint John QMJHL C 6-foot-1 178
Shane Prince Ottawa OHL C 5-foot-10 174
Matt Puempel Peterborough OHL LW 6-foot 196
Alan Quine Peterborough OHL C 5-foot-11 178
Jonathan Racine Shawinigan QMJHL D 6-foot-1 182
Rickard Rakell Plymouth OHL RW 6-foot 191
Ty Rattie-underrated talent Portland WHL RW 5-foot-11 163
Mike Reilly Shattuck-St. Mary's HIGH-MN D 5-foot-11 150
Tobias Rieder Kitchener OHL C 5-foot-11 173
Brett Ritchie Sarnia OHL RW 6-foot-3 210
Robbie Russo USA U-18 USHL D 6-foot 189
Brandon Saad Saginaw OHL LW 6-foot-1 208
Reece Scarlett Swift Current WHL D 6-foot-1 164
Mark Scheifele-drawing attention late Barrie OHL C 6-foot-2 182
Logan Shaw Cape Breton QMJHL RW 6-foot-3 197
Nicholas Shore Denver WCHA C 6-foot 195
Duncan Siemens Saskatoon WHL D 6-foot-3 192
Ryan Sproul Sault Ste. Marie OHL D 6-foot-3 175
Michael St. Croix-still under the radar Edmotnon WHL C 5-foot-11 176
Ryan Strome-wonderful prospect Niagara OHL C 6-foot 175
Colin Sullivan Avon Old Farms HIGH-CT D 6-foot-1 190
Ryan Tesink Saint John QMJHL C 5-foot-11 157
Vincent Trocheck Saginaw OHL C 5-foot-10 184
Andy Welinski Green Bay  USHL D 6-foot 188
Tyler Wotherspoon-Oil could use him Portland WHL D 6-foot-1 203
Zachary Yuen Tri-City WHL D 6-foot 205
 
NORTH AMERICAN GOALTENDERS
Jordan Binnington Owen Sound OHL   6-foot-1 156
Laurent Brossoit Edmonton WHL   6-foot-3 193
Christopher Gibson Chicoutimi QMJHL   6-foot-1 193
John Gibson USA U-18 USHL   6-foot-3 205
Matt Mahalak Plymouth OHL   6-foot-2 183
Matt McNeely USA U-18 USHL   6-foot-2 205
Stephen Michalek Loomis Chaffee  HIGH-CT   6-foot-2 183
Michael Morrison  Kitchener OHL   6-foot 177
 
EUROPEAN SKATERS
Joel Armia-big and skilled Assat FIN RW 6-foot-3 191
Rasmus Bengtsson Rogle SWE-2 D 6-foot-3 189
Jeremy Boyce Rotevall Timra SWE LW 6-foot 169
Jonas Brodin Farjestad SWE D 6-foot-1 169
Max Friberg Skovde SWE-3 LW 5-foot-11 185
Markus Granlund HIFK FIN-JR C 5-foot-10 169
Gregory Hofmann Ambri SWISS C 6-foot 177
Dmitri Jaskin Slavia CZE RW 6-foot-1 196
Karl Johansson Brynas SWE-JR D 5-foot-9 167
Oscar Klefbom Farjestad SWE D 6-foot-4 200
Nikita Kucherov CSKA RUS-JR W 5-foot-10 163
Adam Larsson-franchise player? Skelleftea SWE D 6-foot-3 200
Joachim Nermark Linkoping SWE-JR C 6-foot-1 187
Victor Rask Leskand SWE-2 C 6-foot-2 194
Alexander Ruuttu Jokerit FIN-JR C 6-foot-1 183
Miikka Salomaki Karpat FIN RW 5-foot-11 198
Mika Zibanejad-late push Djurgarden SWE C 6-foot-2 191
 
EUROPEAN GOALTENDER
Samu Perhonen JYP FIN-JR   6-foot-4 172

One of the reasons I think this list is important? Last season, the Oilers drafted SEVEN of the kids who were at the 2010 combine: Tyler Bunz, Brandon Davidson, Taylor Hall, Curtis Hamilton, Martin Marincin, Ryan Martindale, Tyler Pitlick.

The combine goes from May 30 through June 4.

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#1 jr_christ
May 04 2011, 05:46PM
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FIST!!!

yes first ever

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#2 jr_christ
May 04 2011, 05:49PM
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Also, I guess this is a stupid question - but why hasn't Benjamin Conz been on anyone's radar?

Isn't he a decent goalie?

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#4 Gill
May 04 2011, 06:04PM
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What do you think will happen with Myles Bell, now? Late round pick? Depending on the severity of his injuries, is he going to be able to start the season playing?

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#6 They're $hittie
May 04 2011, 06:50PM
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jr_christ wrote:

Also, I guess this is a stupid question - but why hasn't Benjamin Conz been on anyone's radar?

Isn't he a decent goalie?

pick him up in NHL 11. Franchise goalie in th egame. I get him first overall when you start a new franchise and start at the entry draft. If you start after that he is not in the game and you cant get him next year as the real draft class for 2012 will replace him.

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#7 striatic
May 04 2011, 07:05PM
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RNH should be training for the combine, big time.

A good opportunity for him to put some of the questions regarding his physical ability to rest.

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#8 The Goat - Team FIST
May 04 2011, 07:47PM
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TAMPA BAY IS GOING TO WIN THE CUP

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#9 jr_christ
May 04 2011, 08:06PM
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I think we have to take RNH and put him in juns again and let him get 140 points and some WJHC experience.

I wanna offer sheet Webber but I know EVERYONE on here will just say how stupid that idea is. However, why draft an unknown in Larsson when we can get a KNOWN and a good centre...

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#11 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 08:16PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I don't think it's crazy at all to offer sheet Weber. The question is price (and of course compensation) but the idea makes perfect sense from an Oiler pov.

Prepare to get carved up

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#12 Professor
May 04 2011, 08:22PM
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I don't see the Oilers going to go the offer sheet option. If they go after Weber it will be the trade route. Having to give up 4 first round picks is too much to offer for Weber especially if it is another lottery pick next year and maybe the year after that as well.

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#13 @Oilanderp
May 04 2011, 08:33PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I don't think it's crazy at all to offer sheet Weber. The question is price (and of course compensation) but the idea makes perfect sense from an Oiler pov.

perfect sense...... in about 3 years. I really think the Oil are a lottery team next year EVEN WITH Shea Weber. To lose 2 first round picks, a second and a third at this critical drafting stage would cause me to go absolutely postal and you would read about me in the newspapers. No rushing, no whale-hunting boys. Lets do this right. Steady as she goes helmsman! Steady as she goes!

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#14 OilFan
May 04 2011, 08:40PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I don't think it's crazy at all to offer sheet Weber. The question is price (and of course compensation) but the idea makes perfect sense from an Oiler pov.

Offer sheets work for teams in the top ten of the NHL. NOT THE bottom .

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#16 @Oilanderp
May 04 2011, 09:01PM
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@Lowetide

I had no idea Brian Burke was a computer hacker!

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#17 OilFan
May 04 2011, 09:05PM
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Weber is a hell of a hockey player I'll give you that any day. This quality upfront is yet to be proven.

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#18 jbh
May 04 2011, 09:16PM
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Not that I think the Oilers will offer sheet anybody.But why waste it on a D-man?Who is the most important player in theVan/Nash series?Weber or Kesler?Do you think Tampas D is better then the Caps?Tampa is 7-0 with Marc Andre freaking Bergeron in the lineup.Stamkos and Lecavlier dominated the Caps centremen.Can you say Sweep!!Boston's best player has been Bergeron 17/19 in faceoffs tonite.Big Joe just set up the winner,he has been the best player in the series,not Lidstrom.Name me the Sharks 6 D-men.Centremen are the most important players on the team.If I offersheet anybody its a centreman.

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#20 jbh
May 04 2011, 09:31PM
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When it is for a #1 centre. ;-)

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#21 Suntory Hanzo
May 04 2011, 09:31PM
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Even if we finish last next year, and have to give up a first the year after...Isn't Weber worth it? I think he's a homerun 1st overall equivalent.

Question...is the compensation this year, or would it go into effect next year?

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#22 Top Right
May 04 2011, 09:42PM
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getting weber would be great and all... but is nashville really going to let him go that easy? I know there are some troubles with his agent and the organization, but it doesn't seem THAT bad

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#24 @Oilanderp
May 04 2011, 09:51PM
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Let's reframe the question: Would we trade Hall, Eberle, and Pajaarvi for Weber?

I'm going to assume no, and just say that anything that takes bullets away from Mr. Macgregor is a bad idea, and must be avoided as a temptation to take a short cut.

Look at the list of prospects above. Which of them is the next Shea Weber?

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#26 Suntory Hanzo
May 04 2011, 09:58PM
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I think signing with Weber is like jumping a year. Odds are any Dman we draft won't be like Weber, nor will be able to grow a sweet playoff beard like he has.

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#27 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 09:59PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

I had no idea Brian Burke was a computer hacker!

I love how any talk of trading futures for acutal NHL players turns into a Brian Burke comment.

I hate to break it to people but Burkes team just moved up 7 spots in the standings.

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 10:01PM
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Lowetide wrote:

So, the overwhelming opinion here is that a Weber offer sheet is a poor idea. Where is the threshold? At what point do you think it would be a worthwhile offer sheet?

We (Oiler fans) seem to have a strange infatuation with draft picks and (despite the recent spotlight on here) most don't understand just how poor the success rates really are.

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#29 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 10:06PM
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Lowetide wrote:

No. However, with those players and others in the fold the Oilers will be a much better team moving forward. If you add Weber, a goalie to play in tandem with Dubnyk and a veteran 2-way C (plus a winger with grit) then this team shouldn't be near the lottery for a long time.

IF you draft a defenseman in a lottery slot 2012, how long before he's Shea Weber?

Exactly! Baring a complete miracle we are at least 5 years away from a drafted defensmen turning into a true #1..... coincidently not long before Taylor Hall has access to UFA status.

If we want this rebuild to end anytime this decade we're going to have to import a few defensmen (one of the them needing to be at least borderline elite) either through UFA/trade/RFA.

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 04 2011, 10:14PM
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And I'm not even saying RFA'ing Weber is a slam dunk idea.

However it should be seriously considerd (or any RFA offer for the right player)

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#31 K-UGER Industrial Smoothing
May 04 2011, 11:24PM
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Seth Ambroz was supposed to be a potential Top 10 pick at the start of the year, any word as to how far his draft stock has fallen?

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#32 kgo
May 05 2011, 12:11AM
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The Goat - Team FIST wrote:

TAMPA BAY IS GOING TO WIN THE CUP

Only if RoLi hires Tanya Harding to bash in Bergeron's knee before the Finals

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#33 The Duke of Hafford
May 05 2011, 12:20AM
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If the Oilers were to go the RFA route, I would rather see them try for a couple smaller priced players rather than the one expensive (both salary and compensation). For example, based on the 2009 RFA compensation schedule you could target someone in the $1.5 to $3 million range for a third rounder and a $3 to $4.5 for a first and a third rounder. Essentially you are sacrificing the first three rounds for 2 established starters.

The question is who could you target in each of those categories? Of course you also have to look at teams that might not be in able to match the offer. What about someone like a Karl Alzner (Caps have a number of UFA's to sign) , Kyle Okposo (cheap owner might not want to pay), Zach Bogosian (Atlanta already has big money tied into their backend. Might not be able to afford another).

In the $3 million range what about Brandon Sutter (stick it to Flames fans) ...ok its getting late and I cant think of anyone else.

btw how about trying to sign Jonathan Ecrisson as a UFA?

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#34 fuck off
May 05 2011, 12:46AM
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@Lowetide

RE: Weber.

More than anything Weber is going to either sign a 1 year deal or head to arbitration for a 1 year contract. What the Oil need to do is wait until next summer and trade goodies to get his rights prior to July 1st and attempt to swoon him into a deal. Offer sheeting him is the wrong move this off season and even opposes what ST already stated about "not going for a $10 mill FA".

Some may say that Weber will be a deadline rental but there's two reasons why it won't happen in my mind:
1.) Nashville will want too much of what the buyers will not have - prospects/draft picks. Why, Preds can't sign because of money issues, they won't want money or big money players in return.
2.) With Weber and Troz's Norris worthy skills the Preds are a playoff team, which = money. Two straight years going to round 2 or even 4 home games in round 1 would grease the wheels enough for Nash to either not want to trade Weber and risk loosing him to free agency OR they might actually be able to scrape together a short term big money deal.

Synopsis, if Weber is moved before the deadline next year then the management/ownership in Nashville is telling their fans that they can't afford a competitive NHL franchise. Consequently resulting in an eventual movement of the hockey team.

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#35 pelhem grenville
May 05 2011, 04:13AM
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...when asked about how the oilers get "our next Pronger" a month or so ago you replied with a simple "...via the draft..." LT... what's changed your mind now with this most recent Weber take...?

"...Worked with Dustin Penner. Hey, the Oilers are unlikely to send one Weber's way but lordy that's a solid building block. He's got miles and miles of hockey to play, it makes the Oilers blueline much better and the club has some quality youth (especially up front).

Weber would be a welcome addition..."

if we got him on a five year (like Pronger except without the wife) and paid him like the franchise Captain of any team should be paid,is that six or seven million per?... why then do we need the draft to do much of anything when we we'd maybe be on our way to the playoffs... RNH would be ours with the Number1 can the L.A. pick go back to the Predators as part of the offer sheet...?

then Kevin tells Our GM to just back up the Brinks truck @ Webers' locker...

oh and have Suter watching as welltell him we'll be back next year when HE'S a UFA

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#36 mayorpoop
May 05 2011, 06:20AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...when asked about how the oilers get "our next Pronger" a month or so ago you replied with a simple "...via the draft..." LT... what's changed your mind now with this most recent Weber take...?

"...Worked with Dustin Penner. Hey, the Oilers are unlikely to send one Weber's way but lordy that's a solid building block. He's got miles and miles of hockey to play, it makes the Oilers blueline much better and the club has some quality youth (especially up front).

Weber would be a welcome addition..."

if we got him on a five year (like Pronger except without the wife) and paid him like the franchise Captain of any team should be paid,is that six or seven million per?... why then do we need the draft to do much of anything when we we'd maybe be on our way to the playoffs... RNH would be ours with the Number1 can the L.A. pick go back to the Predators as part of the offer sheet...?

then Kevin tells Our GM to just back up the Brinks truck @ Webers' locker...

oh and have Suter watching as welltell him we'll be back next year when HE'S a UFA

"if we got him on a five year (like Pronger except without the wife) and paid him like the franchise Captain of any team should be paid,is that six or seven million per?"

although i am against outrageous offer sheets at this time this proposal/suggestion of a 5yr term is the most digestable....30-35mill over 5 is better.

if i still had the choice between the blue pill (no rfa sheet) or red pill (brinks truck/klowe philosophy), i would use water to drink the blue pill down and i'd have to choke down the red pill with no couple H's and an O.

why not use the picks second round on and to covet defenceman...lots of them. we are clearly doing ok up front, lets fill the cabinet in the back.

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#37 mayorpoop
May 05 2011, 06:21AM
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as well i'd go after SUTER first.

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#39 YFC Prez
May 05 2011, 07:35AM
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Go For Bogo! If he's available I don't imagine the cost to be way out of whack like acquiring a Shea Weber would be.

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#40 YFC Prez
May 05 2011, 07:37AM
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Either way at some point Tambi is going to have to start to give up assets to push this team to the next level. He can't build his entire roster through the draft.

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#41 Archaeologuy
May 05 2011, 08:01AM
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Two Things

1) Jamieson Oleksiak: 6-foot-7 244. Sweet God what are they feeding this kid? When I was 17-18 I literally weighed half of that kid's 244 pounds. It would be a full time job just to keep his trough full, I imagine.

2) Personally, I think this is the absolute worst time to make an Offer Sheet to anyone. The Oilers have just finished their 2nd year in a row as the 30th placed team. They havent addressed any of their needs yet on defense, in goal, or at centre. Even with the addition of 1 Mr Weber the team will still be incredibly poor. This isnt a case where the Oilers' future picks should be out of the top 10, this is lotto country until proven otherwise.

Also, making an RFA offer big enough to prevent Nashville from matching in order to keep their biggest star, Captain, and Norris trophy candidate (not to mention big enough to convince Weber to leave his home and playoff aspirations to be Edmonton bound) would likely cripple the Oilers' draft-board for years. This goes against everything they've been doing for 2 seasons. Literally a complete 180.

I dont see it happening, and I dont think it should.

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 05 2011, 08:26AM
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fuck off wrote:

RE: Weber.

More than anything Weber is going to either sign a 1 year deal or head to arbitration for a 1 year contract. What the Oil need to do is wait until next summer and trade goodies to get his rights prior to July 1st and attempt to swoon him into a deal. Offer sheeting him is the wrong move this off season and even opposes what ST already stated about "not going for a $10 mill FA".

Some may say that Weber will be a deadline rental but there's two reasons why it won't happen in my mind:
1.) Nashville will want too much of what the buyers will not have - prospects/draft picks. Why, Preds can't sign because of money issues, they won't want money or big money players in return.
2.) With Weber and Troz's Norris worthy skills the Preds are a playoff team, which = money. Two straight years going to round 2 or even 4 home games in round 1 would grease the wheels enough for Nash to either not want to trade Weber and risk loosing him to free agency OR they might actually be able to scrape together a short term big money deal.

Synopsis, if Weber is moved before the deadline next year then the management/ownership in Nashville is telling their fans that they can't afford a competitive NHL franchise. Consequently resulting in an eventual movement of the hockey team.

Where on earth are people getting this one year contract idea for Weber from?

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#43 Archaeologuy
May 05 2011, 08:34AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

The idea is after 1 year he will become a UFA and he could leave Nashville behind.

Personally, I dont see that happening. He's the Captain, has a great Defence partner in Suter, has a stable coach who is respected league wide, has likely laid down roots in the city he's called home for 6 seasons, he's on a playoff team, and he's relatively under the radar (in Nashville). The only way he leaves is if the Preds absolutely refuse to pay him even close to value.

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#44 @Oilanderp
May 05 2011, 08:47AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

We (Oiler fans) seem to have a strange infatuation with draft picks and (despite the recent spotlight on here) most don't understand just how poor the success rates really are.

I hope to sweet Jeebus that at least Tambellini can remember that we are a 30th place team 2 years running. UFAs sure, RFA offer sheets and losing picks to compensation? HELL NO! Not yet guys, COME ON! :)

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#45 speeds
May 05 2011, 09:02AM
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The problem with OS Weber is that it would likely cost too much before you reach enough money+compensation for NSH to walk away. We don't have the 2011 RFA compensation limits yet, but it might take an offer of 5 years, 40 mil, before NSH would walk away, which would be pushing the limits of the 2-1sts, 1-2nd, 1-3rd compensation range. If you go beyond 5 years (at a rate even close to that) or for more money than that, the compensation jumps to 4-1sts. I think it's debatable whether NSH would pay Weber 8 mil a year, but maybe they would on a 5 year deal where they don't have the long term injury risk of a 15 year deal. Either way, one could argue that keeping him for 7.9 mil a year for 5 years makes more sense than EDM paying him the same, plus losing potential top 5, 35, 65 picks plus a 2013 1st, while not really expecting to push for the Cup in the first 2 years of that deal anyways. At this point in EDM's rebuild, IMO that's way too risky even for Weber.

Now, if you're DET, looking like a perennial playoff team, with a retiring Lidstrom coming off the books either this summer or fairly soon, picking a top pairing D from a division rival with what will probably be late round firsts makes a lot of sense.

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#46 speeds
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All that said, if EDM looks at CHI's cap situation and decides it's worth trying to sign Frolik out of CHI on a 2 year, 3 mil per year deal where the compensation is one 2nd round pick, that kind of deal may well make a ton of sense (depending, of course, on your opinion of Frolik).

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#48 Woodguy
May 05 2011, 09:24AM
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speeds wrote:

All that said, if EDM looks at CHI's cap situation and decides it's worth trying to sign Frolik out of CHI on a 2 year, 3 mil per year deal where the compensation is one 2nd round pick, that kind of deal may well make a ton of sense (depending, of course, on your opinion of Frolik).

Offer sheeting Frolik is a great idea. It would be tough for CHI to match given their cap situation and only giving up a 2nd is easily worth price.

Great young player, and you can never have enough of those. Played against tough comp for last 2 years in FLA and kept his head above water.

Its funny that some people point at Victor Hedman and say "that's why you don't take a Dman high in the draft"

Hedman is 2nd on TBY in ice-time for the playoffs (only behind Brewer)

He -3, but he's in a shut down role against the best in the world and he's only 20 years old.

If anything, when people point to Hedman it should be in support of taking Larsson, not against it.

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May 05 2011, 10:25AM
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I would still rather have Duchene on the Oilers over Hedman, but on a team like Tampa that had Stamkos and Lecavalier it made some sense to take the defender.

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That's certainly the argument against signing him. What's the threshold, speeds?

To the dollar, no idea. But, NSH is currently paying Weber 4.5 mil per season. Is there any reason to believe they would walk away from an offer sheet that increases his salary by 2.5 mil, to 7 mil? I don't think so, I suppose others may disagree. If that's the case, then the only way a team will be able to sign him away from NSH, provided that team isn't willing to sacrifice 4-1sts, is to sign him to a 5 year deal worth between 7 mil and whatever the compensation limit is (I'll estimate that at 8 mil, it was ~7.7 mil for 2-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd last summer). I think, if pushed, NSH would match there ALTHOUGH if there were a team they might not match it would probably be a team like the Oilers, since Poile would likely project the picks to be much more valuable from EDM than DET.

Basically, I think that NSH will be willing to match any offer sheet the Oilers might make to Weber that isn't cost prohibitive to the Oilers, in terms of both Weber's required salary and the value of the draft picks. Sure, the Oilers could probably get him if they offer 100 over 10, but it's not worth the cost.

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