FTHM VII: RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS

Robin Brownlee
May 09 2011 07:43AM

When it comes to making the first overall pick at the NHL Entry Draft in Minnesota June 24-25, Edmonton Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor said last week that he has his guy. I believe MacGregor's guy is Ryan Nugent-Hopkins of the Red Deer Rebels.

I don't know that to be the case because, in a series titled "From The Horse's Mouth," MacGregor did not come out and say the Oilers will follow up last June's selection of Taylor Hall by picking Nugent-Hopkins. I haven't polled each and every member of MacGregor's scouting staff and been told he's the guy.

Likewise, neither GM Steve Tambellini nor president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe has slipped me a piece of paper with the name "Nugent-Hopkins" on it. Still, my gut and my ears spell tell me it's the skilled kid who plays just an hour or so down the road, right here in Oil Country.

With Red Deer eliminated from the WHL playoffs since being beaten by Medicine Hat, Nugent-Hopkins won't have the opportunity to further separate himself from the rest of the pack the way Hall did with the Windsor Spitfires a year ago, when he left Tyler Seguin in the dust. Still, what I read between the lines is there's no need. He's the guy.

"With the first pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft, the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select, from the Red Deer Rebels, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins . . ."

THE SKINNY FROM CSS

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

North American Skater

Red Deer, WHL

Final Rank: 1 Midterm Rank: 3

Position: Center Shoots: Left

Height: 6' 0" Weight: 164

Born: April 12, 1993 Hometown: Burnaby, BC

Born in: Burnaby, BC, CAN

NHL Central Scouting’s B.J. MacDonald

"(Nugent-Hopkins) has very good puck-handling capabilities. His on-ice awareness is very good. He's one of those guys that knows where everyone is and where they should be and where the puck should go . . . He can dish both right or left, either on his backhand or forehand with that kind of vision. But not just the vision, but the fact he can lay that puck between the skate boot and the skate blade -- that's hard to find."

-- In 2010-11, Nugent-Hopkins led the WHL in assists (75), finished fourth overall in points (106) and was named an Eastern Conference First-Team All-Star after helping the Red Deer Rebels to a first place finish in the Central Division.

-- He served as an assistant captain with Canada’s Under-18 team at the 2010 Ivan Hlinka Memorial in the Czech Republic, where he won gold and scored the game-winning goal, beating the U.S. 1-0.

MACGREGOR'S TAKE

Scouting Report: "He's got high-end skills, vision and hockey sense."

Projection: "A first-line centre."

Best Case Scenario: "Very good first-line centre."

Concerns: "I don't think it's size. It's physical strength."

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#51 Meers22
May 09 2011, 10:56AM
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After watching The Wings/Sharks game last night, If RNH is anything like Datsyuk, how do you not pick him. Sounds like Edmonton will draft RNH first overall and won't be trading their first pick. That being said I like DieHard's trade proposal, but I doubt it will happen.

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#52 @Oilanderp
May 09 2011, 10:58AM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

I don't get the concern about size for a 17 year old kid who is 6'0 and 164. He is 17, for farts sake! If he was 5'9" then go ahead and fuss. Raise your hand if you didn't put on 20 pounds of beef between 17 and 21.

I'd take Sakic over Joe Thornton all day long

I don't know about that but I put on 50 lbs between 29 and 35! Does that count?

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#53 Sean17
May 09 2011, 10:59AM
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Great articles Robin. Really appreciate the insight and enjoyed reading them over the last week - better than 2nd round games!! Must be nice for you to be able to do something like this outside of the MSM restraints?!?

Great post by everyone too! I am like a lot of people, nervous about making the wrong choice but, excited about the possibilities of hitting back to back homers.

I love the comparisons everyone pulls out for these players. Like a bunch of Pierrie McGuires! LOL! You could have a drinking game and be hammered for every time he says Drew Doughty is a mix of Denis Potvin and Raymond Bourque (and he always says Raymond, never Ray).

So, here is my McGuire impression with best and worst case scenario comparisons:

RNH: Best - Martin St Louis Worst - Alex Daigle

Larsson Best - Nick Lidstrom - probably unreal for anybody Worst - Aki Berg - do I get props for randomness?!

Couturier Best - Eric Lindros 1992-2000 Worst - Eric Lindros 2001-2007 or Chris Gratton

These are the only 3 I think will be considered for #1. Feel free to post your own best/ worst case scenarios and try to beat that Aki Berg reference....

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#54 madjam
May 09 2011, 11:02AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Mind boggling that you still get that you don't draft 18 year olds based on your needs *today*.

And what do you end up with if you don't address your needs today , the 30th place Oilers with even more voids to fill ! Has the last 5 years of not filling voids promply and adequately taught you nothing to date ? Then again maybe we should draft and trade for all players under 6 ft. as some of wise people seem to want to do . I'm sure that will make us more competitive ( tongue in cheek ) ! Not filling all those voids has put where we are at , and keeping us non competitive . If we keep making same mistakes and not filling our voids , we'll still be noncompetitive a decade from now ! Can you imagine Oilers being competitive without even realizing they could/might be bypassing up on the next Messier by passing on some of these bigger talented players ? Give us a Messier type power forward to move forward with , or even a very good dman would be a nice start to .

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#55 Sean17
May 09 2011, 11:04AM
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BTW Team Hoppy - Red Deer has more Oilers fans for sure! People outside of Red Deer figure we are split 50-50 but I would say it would be more 70-30 in favour of the Oil! Even the Old Navy here sold out of Oilers T-shirts before Flames! LOL!

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#56 Sparky
May 09 2011, 11:04AM
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The other plus side that I haven't seen anyone mention is his two way game. He's pretty responsible defensively and is a puck thief. And come on, after watching Datsyuk last night how could you not one of those feeding Hallsy and Ebs?

As far as the odd man out at C, I think it's gotta be cogs. RNH/Gags/Horc as a top three in another year looks pretty good. Gags could even play first line for a while until the Nuge is more comfortable in the league. That being said, I hope if they do pick him that they leave him in junior for another year. It would be way more beneficial for his development.

When it comes down too it I would rather roll the dice on RNH and his possible "very good first line C" than play it safe with Couterier and get at most a "good first line C". I live in Red deer and have seen a lot of the Nuge and you can see those brilliant flashes. In the end MBS will make the right call!

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#57 @Oilanderp
May 09 2011, 11:07AM
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Team Stu wrote:

Every year the Oilers say they would like to trade up into the top 5, and every year they don't. This year could be different, but if you're a team drafting 5th and staring at Sean Couturier, do you flip that pick away for 19 overall? I doubt it. Will still be a huge draft, with the Oilers having 2 picks in the top 20. They might be able to move up to 10, but I doubt any higher than that.

Excellent point. If Couturier drops, and especially if he has a good combine/interview... there's no way in hell the Oil can get him. Thanks for smashing my dreams hahahahaaa. Bastard!

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#58 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 11:12AM
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DieHard wrote:

What do you think of this trade.

Oiler's LA pick plus Edmonton's 1st in 2012 for New Jersey's 4th. New Jersey has to give up a first rounder within the next 4 years so could then do it next year while still maintaining a first rounder this year and next. That would give us Toronto-like incentive to get as far away from the bottom as possible.

It may be a bit of an overpayment but i would still do it. Having the 1st and the 4th is like being a lottery team two yrs in a row, only compressing it into one season. I'd even sweeten that by taking back a salary dump player from Jersey as well. RNH and Couturier, put Gagner on the P90X (HGH version) program and move him to the wing, we're much better off with this scenario.

If the Oilers bring in a couple veterens like possibly a Smytty,Glencross or a Scotty Upshall, with whats here now, that 2012 1st pick would be in that #11- 16 area. Without much further veteran support being brought in, this is probably a lottery team next season again.

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#59 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 09 2011, 11:23AM
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madjam wrote:

And what do you end up with if you don't address your needs today , the 30th place Oilers with even more voids to fill ! Has the last 5 years of not filling voids promply and adequately taught you nothing to date ? Then again maybe we should draft and trade for all players under 6 ft. as some of wise people seem to want to do . I'm sure that will make us more competitive ( tongue in cheek ) ! Not filling all those voids has put where we are at , and keeping us non competitive . If we keep making same mistakes and not filling our voids , we'll still be noncompetitive a decade from now ! Can you imagine Oilers being competitive without even realizing they could/might be bypassing up on the next Messier by passing on some of these bigger talented players ? Give us a Messier type power forward to move forward with , or even a very good dman would be a nice start to .

We don't draft to address our needs *today* because their isnt a single player that is going to come in and fix one of those needs next year... and probably not for another 1-2 years after that.

The needs of this team will likely be very different 3 - 5 years from now, which is when you will likely see the top end game coming out of the guys picked at the top of this years draft class.

Finding size is easy, their will be a pile of big players available this summer via trade/free agency. Finding elite skill is difficult, when you think you have it, you grab it

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#60 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 09 2011, 11:26AM
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It may be a bit of an overpayment but i would still do it. Having the 1st and the 4th is like being a lottery team two yrs in a row, only compressing it into one season. I'd even sweeten that by taking back a salary dump player from Jersey as well. RNH and Couturier, put Gagner on the P90X (HGH version) program and move him to the wing, we're much better off with this scenario.

If the Oilers bring in a couple veterens like possibly a Smytty,Glencross or a Scotty Upshall, with whats here now, that 2012 1st pick would be in that #11- 16 area. Without much further veteran support being brought in, this is probably a lottery team next season again.

I see you are finally coming around to having Gagner on the wing!

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madjam wrote:

And what do you end up with if you don't address your needs today , the 30th place Oilers with even more voids to fill ! Has the last 5 years of not filling voids promply and adequately taught you nothing to date ? Then again maybe we should draft and trade for all players under 6 ft. as some of wise people seem to want to do . I'm sure that will make us more competitive ( tongue in cheek ) ! Not filling all those voids has put where we are at , and keeping us non competitive . If we keep making same mistakes and not filling our voids , we'll still be noncompetitive a decade from now ! Can you imagine Oilers being competitive without even realizing they could/might be bypassing up on the next Messier by passing on some of these bigger talented players ? Give us a Messier type power forward to move forward with , or even a very good dman would be a nice start to .

Don't you remember what happened last time this team went and drafted based on current need? They ended up with jacques, stoll, greene, pouilot, macdonald etc. in the 1st couple rounds because they needed size.

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#62 fuzzy muppet
May 09 2011, 11:38AM
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Off the top of my head, from what I can remember, not one scouting service had RNH at #1 at the beginning of the year. Mid-term, I think one or two scouting services had him #1. He climbed up the chart based on ONE MONTH of production.

He scored nearly half his goals in that one month. It's not like this has been the #1 runaway guy all year. In a draft that every scout admits lacks a franchise player, you can draft a safer player that fills multiple needs.

#1 OV going to a PP specialist. Yikes.

He was LAST in EV scoring among the lottery guys.

I went back and looked some stuff up. RNH scored 13 of 31 goals(42%) of his goals in the last 18 games. Even more HE SCORED OVER 51% OF HIS GoaLS IN 7 games of the year. 16 goals in seven games. Over half his goal scoring in 7 of 72 games.

SCouts as much as anyone fall into the "seen him good" category.

He scares the SH&T out of me. History states goals are what matter when translating to NHL success. I'm staying clear, but i dont make the picks. I hope he prove me wrong, because if he doesn't, this is a franchise killer.

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#63 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
May 09 2011, 11:39AM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

So you're asking Lou to give up a 4th for a 19th and a 10th (say). Interesting, but i think the value of a 4th in this year's draft is higher than that.

I was saying the other way around trading Next years pick and this years 19th for the 4th this year.

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#64 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 11:43AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I see you are finally coming around to having Gagner on the wing!

I think this is the only way he can remain an Oiler.

There's two hurdles he has to overcome this summer, that's the Oilers efforts to move up from that 19th spot which will cost something i'm sure, or, for help on the back end, some Bogosian kinda deal. If the Eskimos can turn over 35% of their roster, why can't the Oilers?

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#65 hoil
May 09 2011, 11:56AM
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fuzzy muppet wrote:

Off the top of my head, from what I can remember, not one scouting service had RNH at #1 at the beginning of the year. Mid-term, I think one or two scouting services had him #1. He climbed up the chart based on ONE MONTH of production.

He scored nearly half his goals in that one month. It's not like this has been the #1 runaway guy all year. In a draft that every scout admits lacks a franchise player, you can draft a safer player that fills multiple needs.

#1 OV going to a PP specialist. Yikes.

He was LAST in EV scoring among the lottery guys.

I went back and looked some stuff up. RNH scored 13 of 31 goals(42%) of his goals in the last 18 games. Even more HE SCORED OVER 51% OF HIS GoaLS IN 7 games of the year. 16 goals in seven games. Over half his goal scoring in 7 of 72 games.

SCouts as much as anyone fall into the "seen him good" category.

He scares the SH&T out of me. History states goals are what matter when translating to NHL success. I'm staying clear, but i dont make the picks. I hope he prove me wrong, because if he doesn't, this is a franchise killer.

RNH was ranked in the top 3 by pretty much every scouting service before the season started. He was the #1 pick in the WHL bantam draft, so people have been watching the kid for a long time.

He started climbing the rankings well before he blew everyone's doors off in March. His hot finish definitely helped his case, but he didn't appear out of thin air.

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#66 misfit
May 09 2011, 11:58AM
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I also believe Nugent-Hopkins is going to be the name the Oilers call with the first pick on draft day, but why is it impossible for a team to have Nugent-Hopkins as the #1C and Gagner as the #2 at some point in the future?

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#67 Dman09
May 09 2011, 12:00PM
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Sorry but there is too many cases throughout the NHL to justify size not being an issue. That would be like saying St. Louis, Kane, Datsyuk,Ennis, Cammalleri,Briere, Giroux are not very good players because they are smaller.

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#68 Mantastic
May 09 2011, 12:00PM
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@@Oilanderp

there could be other players with that drive as well, maybe not with couturier's skill set but a drive to be the best. my hope is we get someone like a marc mcneil with the LA pick, he seems to be a kesler type, and could be a stellar addition.

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#69 Archaeologuy
May 09 2011, 12:10PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I think this is the only way he can remain an Oiler.

There's two hurdles he has to overcome this summer, that's the Oilers efforts to move up from that 19th spot which will cost something i'm sure, or, for help on the back end, some Bogosian kinda deal. If the Eskimos can turn over 35% of their roster, why can't the Oilers?

Those two hurdles arent even really there. They exist only in fantasy. The Oilers arent forced to make either trade, or any at all, if they dont want to. In fact, NOT trading the 19th pick and NOT trading for a young DMan is the most likely scenario.

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#70 Mantastic
May 09 2011, 12:17PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I think this is the only way he can remain an Oiler.

There's two hurdles he has to overcome this summer, that's the Oilers efforts to move up from that 19th spot which will cost something i'm sure, or, for help on the back end, some Bogosian kinda deal. If the Eskimos can turn over 35% of their roster, why can't the Oilers?

because the NHL isn't a 2nd tier league like the CFL?

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#71 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 12:22PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Those two hurdles arent even really there. They exist only in fantasy. The Oilers arent forced to make either trade, or any at all, if they dont want to. In fact, NOT trading the 19th pick and NOT trading for a young DMan is the most likely scenario.

Can't help but feel with an agressive summer this rebuild for the most part can be in the rear veiw mirror. Move up and grab Couturier and start adding support players. Sitting and doing nothing like you suggest is surely making playoff hockey in Edmonton a fantasy the next three years.

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#72 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 12:30PM
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@Mantastic

Manny, shouldn't your handle be Mantastic - Team potential 3rd line winger?

The NHL is worse than a 2nd tier league Manny, there's 3 tiers of teams in todays NHL.

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#73 Lochenzo
May 09 2011, 12:38PM
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The good news to me is that they know what they want to do with the 1st pick early. They also have the 18th and 31st picks, 2 3rds and the rest of their own picks to worry about. I believe that whom they pick first will affect who they take with the other 1st round pick ie. 1 centre, 1 defence. There need to be a few contingencies revolving around possible trades that may happen on draft day. If anything, the 2nd-1st round pick may be more complex than the 1st overall.

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#74 Westcoastoil
May 09 2011, 12:40PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

Assuming of course that the Oilers owner (NOT mgmt) wants to speed up the rebuild. In the long run there may be a view (incorrect IMO) that 1 more year of the poo poo platter helps toward the "we need a new building to compete argument.

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#75 Westcoastoil
May 09 2011, 12:42PM
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@Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"

I know. Would Lou give up Courtier for a 19th this year and a 10th next year? would you? We may have to eat some salary too (which is OK). We can throw in Brule to sweeten it!

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#76 Mantastic
May 09 2011, 12:47PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

i just like the way landeskog plays, i don't think he's a #1 pick.

and the nhl having 3rd tier teams may be true, but that can be said about any league in the world. there will always be runts of the litter.

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#77 DieHard
May 09 2011, 12:56PM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

I know. Would Lou give up Courtier for a 19th this year and a 10th next year? would you? We may have to eat some salary too (which is OK). We can throw in Brule to sweeten it!

I think New Jersey might be looking for a defenseman (Larsson or Hamilton). Edmonton's 1st next year could be a first overall. It is certainly possible and is enticing.

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#78 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 09 2011, 12:57PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I think this is the only way he can remain an Oiler.

There's two hurdles he has to overcome this summer, that's the Oilers efforts to move up from that 19th spot which will cost something i'm sure, or, for help on the back end, some Bogosian kinda deal. If the Eskimos can turn over 35% of their roster, why can't the Oilers?

Ironically enough I'd guess we've turned over close to 35% of the roster every year since the lockout.

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#79 The Other John
May 09 2011, 01:08PM
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OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F

Ironically enough, maybe they should turn over 35% of their roster with real live NHL bodies because ver the last 5 years the Oiler record is the worst in the league

DEAD LAST

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#80 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
May 09 2011, 01:09PM
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The Other John wrote:

OB1 Team RNH - F.S.T.N.F

Ironically enough, maybe they should turn over 35% of their roster with real live NHL bodies because ver the last 5 years the Oiler record is the worst in the league

DEAD LAST

Thanks for the ground breaking news, John.

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#81 pelhem grenville
May 09 2011, 01:13PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Paging Stuart MacGregor, paging Mr. MacGregor.

Would like to know your opinion on Ryan Strome. Is he a possibility to go in that top 5? Please formulate your opinion to conform with what Mr.Browlee had done on previous efforts, eh.

Stu, see what you can do on that Gudbranson front too....kay?

Thank you in advance sir.

Q...y'can't page MBS

...y'gotta put up the Bat Signal !!!

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#82 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 01:16PM
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@Westcoastoil

I don't think Katz will tolerate yet another year of this. If there's one thing Tambellini and Lowe have a masters degree in, it's how to willingly drive a franchise face first into the mud, they've shown they're pretty good at it 2 yrs running.

The Oilers have never been through a rebuild process like this before and i'm pretty sure Katz will run short on patience on this first attempt. It's going to be so weird this summer seeing the Oilers actually doing instead of pondering what needs to be done. Oilers will be much closer to the cap this coming season.

Last year it was the summer of Steve, this year it'll be the summer of Katz, watching Steve react to what Darryl wants this summer will be a nice change.

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#83 René Guerra
May 09 2011, 01:18PM
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I may be bucking the trend, but I don't see much value in Brownlee's series. The Magnificent Bastard reveals little (surprise!), and we, the uninformed, are left to speculate creatively. It beats the work day office grind, but lay draft talk is otherwise useless.

No matter who the Oilers draft, a more pressing issue is building a roster that can actually compete. There's a miserably long way to go: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/9/2161930/number-that-may-interest-only-me-oilers-roster-edition-3. Speaking to this seems to me a better waste of our time!

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#84 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
May 09 2011, 01:25PM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

I know. Would Lou give up Courtier for a 19th this year and a 10th next year? would you? We may have to eat some salary too (which is OK). We can throw in Brule to sweeten it!

Sorry I misunderstood I expect he/Lou would not Can't blame him.

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#85 Archaeologuy
May 09 2011, 01:27PM
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Can't help but feel with an agressive summer this rebuild for the most part can be in the rear veiw mirror. Move up and grab Couturier and start adding support players. Sitting and doing nothing like you suggest is surely making playoff hockey in Edmonton a fantasy the next three years.

Keeping established talent and taking 3 players in the first 31 selections is the surefire way to miss the playoffs for 3 years?

I dont follow.

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May 09 2011, 01:30PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

Q...y'can't page MBS

...y'gotta put up the Bat Signal !!!

I've had it turned on since 9 this morning and still no response, can't quite put a finger on why its not working properly, i was hoping Stu would check in here like he does a couple times a day and see his valued input was needed.

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#87 pelhem grenville
May 09 2011, 01:36PM
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@@Oilanderp

"...that fierce 'compete',..." nail on the freaking head...i was only impressed with Couturiers' size at the WJC last year ...a little with his hands and vision but i'm only on his bandwagon because as i have said before ...Can Renney Kevin and our GM light a big a$$ fire under this kid to get him to that next level of NHL desire and big time "fierce compete" ?

Last thing this team needs is another LUMUX...

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#88 pelhem grenville
May 09 2011, 01:41PM
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I've had it turned on since 9 this morning and still no response, can't quite put a finger on why its not working properly, i was hoping Stu would check in here like he does a couple times a day and see his valued input was needed.

...he chowed down on all the hotdogs i served at my BBQ an hour ago ...drank all the coke and was looking in the fridge for desert when he said he should go and check his bat messages ... funny the way that worked out ... inglorious bastard

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#89 Dman09
May 09 2011, 01:41PM
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Well I think at some point here, one would hope that managment has the common sense to start this year, they will have to start packing current roster players and picks for individuals that can actually contribute to the team. I think with all the signings and draft picks recently that we may become to heavy in the pospect pool which can also have a negative effect. By having to many you will start to limit the player development because they can't all be in the AHL. Between this years draft picks and all the recent signgings by the team they will have added a entire roster of players to their prospect pool in under a year. Thats just to many and some moves will have to be made. This first thing they should probably start looking at is Smid or Foster. One of those two could be packaged with picks for a top 4, hopefully top 2 D man. I like Petry but I think he needs to have second or third pairing minutes to keep his development moving properly not first line. Same can be said for Fraser, Brule, cogs. They can all be packaged with picks for better players. I also think this is the perfect time to buy out Bulin and see about getting in another goaltender to make a competitive duo. I think this is the perfect year to start making these types of moves and I'm really excited to see what might happen before next season. Having said that I'm sure that Tambi will succeed 100% in letting me down and making more useless trades and acquisitons.

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#90 Team Hall
May 09 2011, 01:43PM
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Nice one Pelly, put up the bat signal to get Stu's attention. Stu has a question for you all: Do we have an Erik Gudbranson in the system? Do we have an Erik Gudbranson in the system?

Anyways, here's a trade I'd do: 19th overall + Gagner for Couturier, wherever he lies. Boy would we be set up at Centre for 15 years. I think Landeskog will be a very good 2nd liner, he put up 36 goals and hits like a truck. Kind of a Burrows type imo. Just not a first overall. At 5th I'd be happy to have him.

I agree with the poster who said that goals translate the best into the NHL. Except for this little guy: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=106808

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#91 Wax Man Riley
May 09 2011, 01:46PM
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Team Stu wrote:

Every year the Oilers say they would like to trade up into the top 5, and every year they don't. This year could be different, but if you're a team drafting 5th and staring at Sean Couturier, do you flip that pick away for 19 overall? I doubt it. Will still be a huge draft, with the Oilers having 2 picks in the top 20. They might be able to move up to 10, but I doubt any higher than that.

If "asleep at the wheel" means standing pat on the #1 pick unless an amazing, can't say no deal comes along. Then sleep away dithers, sleep away...

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#92 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 02:01PM
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@Archaeologuy

If we sit tight like you suggest, the first selection is one year away, correct? The 19th and the 31st are both 2 or 3 yrs away as well,correct?

If the Oilers are going to put success squarely on the shoulders of Hall,Eberle and Paajarvi etc they will certainly fail. The remained of those forwards certainly can't be counted on the provide something that resembles an 70 games season. Staying this course you suggested insures another lottery type season.

Liduidate the 19th,31st as well as available roster players and add another center and get these kids some Ryan Smyth type veteran help. Next time you see one of the last 2 Oil Change episodes, look for Taylor Hall seated on the Oilers bench and tell me you can't see this losing is starting to wear on him already.

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#93 pelhem grenville
May 09 2011, 02:06PM
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René Guerra wrote:

I may be bucking the trend, but I don't see much value in Brownlee's series. The Magnificent Bastard reveals little (surprise!), and we, the uninformed, are left to speculate creatively. It beats the work day office grind, but lay draft talk is otherwise useless.

No matter who the Oilers draft, a more pressing issue is building a roster that can actually compete. There's a miserably long way to go: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/9/2161930/number-that-may-interest-only-me-oilers-roster-edition-3. Speaking to this seems to me a better waste of our time!

"...I don't see much value in Brownlee's series..."

you Renay, are in the vast minority as to the value of the series...besides...in your world and in this copper&blue piece, where's Ryan Jones???

... furthermore y'think Colin Fraser or Gilbert Brule are going to be here when the 11-12 season starts?

... now that's a waste of [y]our time.

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#94 @Oilanderp
May 09 2011, 02:13PM
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René Guerra wrote:

I may be bucking the trend, but I don't see much value in Brownlee's series. The Magnificent Bastard reveals little (surprise!), and we, the uninformed, are left to speculate creatively. It beats the work day office grind, but lay draft talk is otherwise useless.

No matter who the Oilers draft, a more pressing issue is building a roster that can actually compete. There's a miserably long way to go: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/9/2161930/number-that-may-interest-only-me-oilers-roster-edition-3. Speaking to this seems to me a better waste of our time!

I disagree. Brownlee's draft series has sketched out how our head scout sees these prospects so far. We mere laymen don't have to be that creatively speculative anymore, precisely because of Brownlee's articles. This is primary source information; straight from the horse's mouth as it were. It is not useless.

Yes, more depressing pressing is the actual roster. You are right, there IS a miserably long way to go. This draft is addressing that, but it requires several years more patience.

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#95 Archaeologuy
May 09 2011, 02:23PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

If we sit tight like you suggest, the first selection is one year away, correct? The 19th and the 31st are both 2 or 3 yrs away as well,correct?

If the Oilers are going to put success squarely on the shoulders of Hall,Eberle and Paajarvi etc they will certainly fail. The remained of those forwards certainly can't be counted on the provide something that resembles an 70 games season. Staying this course you suggested insures another lottery type season.

Liduidate the 19th,31st as well as available roster players and add another center and get these kids some Ryan Smyth type veteran help. Next time you see one of the last 2 Oil Change episodes, look for Taylor Hall seated on the Oilers bench and tell me you can't see this losing is starting to wear on him already.

Sweet Gawd, man! I am having real trouble following your logic. Although I too am questioning RNH's chance of making the Oil without puting on more weight, we have no idea if he will or not be an Oiler in 2011/12. That he wont make the Oil isnt written in stone.

The Oilers need organizational depth if they want to compete for the Cup perennially. That isnt accomplished by liquidating picks in the top portion of the draft for a few "now" players and veterans.

I'm glad losing is wearing on Hall, maybe he'll step it up even more and carry the team on his back to a few more wins.

Your plan is to panic now and give up the only assets we have that will help us be better in the future in order to acquire players that other GMs deem less valuable than what we're offering.

Another lottery is most certainly a possibility. That shouldnt be shocking. What is shocking though, is how quickly you think the rebuild can be finished.

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#96 Dman09
May 09 2011, 02:31PM
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@Archaeologuy

Actually it is written in stone or DNA as it were. No matter what as you grow older muscle and bone matter continues to grown and become more dense. So he will put on wieght no matter what as everyone does. There are exceptions, malnutruition and some genetic disorders that can prevent it.

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#97 Archaeologuy
May 09 2011, 02:40PM
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ha ha, I meant written in stone that he wont make the Oilers.*

*Changes made accordingly

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#98 Dman09
May 09 2011, 02:47PM
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I don't think he should play in the NHL next year but I don't really think he will improve a whole lot more unless he is in the AHL.

The Oilers should not give up either of their first two picks unless they move the LA pick higher. Ideally they should keep their 2nd as well but after that I think they are all fair game to be used a trade pieces for some better players. And if I was able to make one request to Tambi, bring back Smyth, I think his expierence and dedication with the Oilers and the NHL are exactly what this team needs right now. When he was traded I think that was when the players lost the sense of what it meant to be an Oiler.

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#99 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 09 2011, 02:54PM
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Sweet gawd man, is that the last thing you heard before your g/f carved her initials in your back last night Archie?

My plan is to expedite this ifinite rebuild. Bring in Hopkins and Couturier, surround what's here already with some veteran help. Make a deal to bring in a body or two for help on the blueline and this is our team going forward. With whats working it's way up in the system already we shouldn't need yet another lotto pick. This is 10 minutes work once Katz tells Tambellini it needs to get done.

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#100 Archaeologuy
May 09 2011, 03:00PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

They've only been actively rebuilding for about a year and a half. I wouldnt call that "Infinite". And something tells me that trading current roster players and picks for young and talented players that can help the Oilers for years to come is NOT 10 minutes of work. If acquiring top 5 picks was easy then the Red Wings would have figured out how to do it long before you have. I'm inclined to believe that it is much more difficult than you have suggested.

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