ST Looking for A Good Home for #1 Overall

Lowetide
June 11 2011 08:06AM

The big news for Edmonton Oiler fans this week (aside from the Brule-Bono story having more sustain than the Stanley run of 2006) is that General Manager Steve Tambellini is listening to offers for the #1 overall pick. Is he serious?

Let me preface this by saying that I'm 99% certain that Jason Gregor's recent article on the subject is spot on. When Jason says "In the past month Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has become the consensus first overall pick. He is number one on every mock draft that I've seen, (if there is a reputable one that doesn't have him first please let me know) so I don't see why Tambellini would trade him" that makes sense to me and I'm sure all Oiler fans. As recently as late last night--early this morning, Redline Report's final rankings confirm RNH as their number one overall.

However, what if one team--one solitary team looking to make a splash--made a tremendous offer, Steve Tambellini would have to look at it. Right? Is there a team such as this? I count two.

HOW COMPELLING MUST IT BE?

I think the offer would need to solve two of the Oilers problems with a strong solution. Something so good that Steve Tambellini can feel he's addressed two needs by dealing one selection. Not a "#1 plus #19 plus #31 for "#2 and #11" solution, but rather the first overall pick for another pick high enough to secure a top flight position player and either another high pick or quality player/prospect.

WHO ARE THE TEAMS?

The Winnipeg franchise arrives in Guess Who-ville with a solid young team capable of having strong seasons in the not too distant future. They have a couple of areas of need that could work out well for Edmonton:

  • A need to put a face on the franchise. The Winnipeg team has all kinds of talent and a true young star in Evander Kane, but fans could get behind a splash at the draft and could adopt the first true Winnipeg roster player as their own.
  • An extreme weakness at center, as described by Gabriel Desjardins in his look at the Winnipeg HC.

If the Oilers and Winnipeg start talking, is there a framework of a deal? Perhaps the number one overall pick and a pick/solid prospect for the number seven overall pick and defenseman Zach Bogosian? Remember, even if the top of the draft goes according to Hoyle, there will be an exceptional talent at number 7 overall.

Does that hold value? Say Sean Couturier or Ryan Strome or Dougie Hamilton plus Bogosian for number one overall and a lesser asset? I think it's worth thinking about.

The second trade has been discussed pretty much everywhere. The Jackets have the number 8 selection and are apparently looking to make a splash and make the playoffs before the end of next century. Is a high pick for Hemsky enough? It is if #83 isn't going to sign here a year from now. Is Hemsky healthy enough to risk a high pick on? Likely not, but desperate times call for desperate measures and Howson would know Hemmer pretty well.

The same group of players (minus one) would be available at number 8, so the Oilers could walk out of the top 10 with RNH and perhaps Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murphy or Mika Zibanejad.

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Nation Radio is on again today (12 noon local time) on Team 1260 radio. Guests scheduled to appear:

  • AJ Haefele from Mile High Hockey will discuss the Avs at the draft. We'll attempt to get #2 and #11 from him in exchange for #1 and #19 and a promise to select Tyler Arnason first overall. We'll also give him supreme heck for changing his web nick to AJ Haefele from the classic "SlamDunkthe Funk."
  • Kent Simpson, Edmonton Oil Kings commentator. We'll talk about the draft, what people who spend their winters in hockey rinks do in the summer and I'll ask him about the SCF.
  • Cam Moon, Red Deer Rebels play by play man and a legendary WHL figure. We'll talk Memorial Cup, the draft, I'll ask him probing questions about the RNH EV/PP and Goals/Assists controversy and find out if he's lazier than Kent Simpson in the summertime (one imagines it's neck and neck).
  • Kirk Luedeke is quickly becoming our draft guru at Nation Radio. Buddy knows his stuff, and came back from the combine with some juicy rumors about trade activity at the draft. We'll put him under a dim bulb, give him a rickety chair and mock the Bruins until he spills the beans.

Plus I'll pass along my updated top 30 for the 2011 draft and we'll read some of your top 10's that have been flooding in for our first Nation Radio contest. You still have time to enter by sending your top 10 prediction for the 2011 draft to nationradio@theteam1260.com and I can say it's been fun reading through about 100 entries so far. I grew up thinking I was the only draft nerd on the planet, turns out I was born 30 years too soon. Dammit!

We're also on twitter @ItsNationRadio and you can catch the show on the Al Gore here.

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#1 Oilfan14
June 11 2011, 08:13AM
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There is a mock draft on NHL.com that has LarsSon as the first pick. What a loonie, RNH all the way.

Here I the link. http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=69478

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#2 Trust Chett
June 11 2011, 08:14AM
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I would put my FIST through a wall if ST traded the #1 pick

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#3 jayoilfan
June 11 2011, 08:36AM
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LT, will you post a list somewhere of how many ended up entering your contest and their respective lists. I imagine there are all kind of permutations for the names but I'd be surprised if no one gets it right and I'd be even more surprised if there were not more than one the same sequence, not necessarily how the draft actually plays out.

LT, love you show, I have to listen to it during lunch hours at work though through the pod casts as I am busy with the family usually. not today, I'll be able to listen live as I'm home alone staining window trim! Gotta keep the family away from smelly oil based chemicals...

That game last night....sucked. Even though I do not want Vancouver to win it looks like they might. ugh.

Jay

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#4 Oilcruzer
June 11 2011, 08:58AM
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@Trust Chett

fAiL

Huge crash at start of LeMans for those interested - Youtube + Lemans + McNish

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#5 Trust Chett
June 11 2011, 09:01AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

fAiL

Huge crash at start of LeMans for those interested - Youtube + Lemans + McNish

back off

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#6 Shane
June 11 2011, 09:04AM
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I wonder who will be announcing the pick for Winnipeg? And with what name? "With the 7th overall pick the Winnipeg .............? Only two weeks away. Maybe there trying to work out a deal with the league to get the rights to the Jets again?

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#7 mojo
June 11 2011, 09:04AM
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If we did trade hemmers for the 8th overall pick, I'd hope we take duncan siemens. RNH and siemens would be 2 good assets to add to this rebuilding team

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#8 Garett
June 11 2011, 09:05AM
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How often do franchise centermen come along? I say we must draft RNH unless the plan is for Hall to play center. Then pull the trigger I'd the deal is great. Otherwise we draft RNH.

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#9 michael
June 11 2011, 09:09AM
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I think that your right in saying that Columbus is in dire need of something. Its not the number 1 pick I imagine that they are seeking. They need help now. They need to stop the financial bleeding sooner than later. They need to win now. Not 3 years from now. A trade for Hemsky and Gilbert would seem more likely. They need someone to take some of the load off of Nash and they need someone to get the puck up to Nash and company. Getting Hemsky with one year left is perfect. If he is successful in Columbus. Great. If not? It won't matter because Howson will be gone and it won't matter. Gilbert gives them a puck moving dman that they need. Howson and Columbus don't have the luxury of drafting and developing a dman like Gilbert. They need one now. The likely scenario is Hemsky and Gilbert to Columbus for the 8th, a high end prospect and a boatload of future draft picks.

Winnipeg? Intersting. But the deal would definitely have to involve Bogosian. Thats the deal maker for me. If Columbus comes calling for Gilbert it would be a perfect scenario. Gilbert out and Bogosian in. I like that alot. With the 7th pick I would then be looking to ensure I get either Ryan Strome or Sean Coutier. Worst case I would want Dougie Hamilton. Having the 7th and 8th and 19th picks would be great. It would take alot of work on Tambo's part but I think we could live with a Strome or Coutier long with a Hamilton and McNeil(19th or better). Adding Bogosian would be great. Gilbert for me is 3-4 dman and Bogosian is a solid 2 dman.

Draft day is going to be interesting. See you at the Palace Casino.

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#12 justDOit
June 11 2011, 09:18AM
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I'd have to agree with Garett - passing up on an impact center would be fuellish.

And it would be even worse to give that #1 to a team that's going to be in our division soon. The 'Peg team might be really weak at center, but not as weak as the Oilers.

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#13 mojo
June 11 2011, 09:29AM
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@Garett

Even if hall is going to play center, that shouldn't sway the decision. Name 1 sucessful team of the recent bunch that has 1 good center and not 2. At this point RNH is a must , regardess of the plan for hall

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#14 DA
June 11 2011, 09:37AM
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Hey hey, big fan of the nation, really respect what you guys do in keeping Oilers hockey alive through the summer. Especially as I'm currently living in small town B.C working in an area where cable is sparse, so I have to watch these final games at the local pub, and as a die hard Oilers fan it is absolutely unbearable talking or watching hockey here, as everybody is a blind, ignorant Canucks fan. It's worse than you can imagine. They're angry, they get mad when Boston Enters the zone or makes a hit without a penalty called, and they get pissed off every single time Vancouver gets a penalty or whistled for icing/offside. They don't even understand the rules. They must lose. But here's what I'm wondering. I'm sort of on team Larsson here but I don't Really care either way as they both fill a hole that's pretty damn gaping on this squad right now (unless Gags can emerge as a #1, which I wouldn't count out yet. Remember the Sedins were only getting 30-40 points in their first 4 years, and Danny Briere took 5 years to start putting up points in the big leagues, for example) But I'll stop with the B.S and ask the question. If RNH were in last years draft, whereabouts might he have been selected? Top 3? Top 5? How about Larsson?

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#16 Moose
June 11 2011, 09:53AM
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LT, I love you, but I think #1 + for #7 and Bogosian is a horrible deal, and I don't even have to hear what the "+" is.

That move would upset me.

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#17 Quicksilver ballet
June 11 2011, 10:13AM
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Hemsky and the 31st to Columbus for their 8th, then flip the 8th with another roster player/prospect to get us into that 4-5 spot. Doesn't get any better than netting Hopkins and Couturier. Not sure which one would be the beauty and which one would be the beast yet. We'd still have the 19th as well, maybe there's an opportunity to move up on that selection and grab Hamilton or Seimens.

Hopefully the Carter to Columbus deal can wait till after the draft, this could screw everything up if it happens before. Have to think that 8th would go in that deal.

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#18 DangerMan
June 11 2011, 10:13AM
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Bogosian and the 7th for the 1st sounds intriguing, you get a plug and play partner for Whitney right off the bat and still get a pretty good prospect at 7. The D would mostly be taken care of, (probably need one more), but the center play would still be terrible.

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#19 John Chambers
June 11 2011, 10:17AM
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I dunno, LT. Adding a big D-man with a bad +/- is not an attractive return for giving up on a franchise #1 C.

I believe I read a rumour that NJ might be having a hard time getting Parise committed to a contract. I was naval-gazing and dreampt up a deal that included our #1 + Hemsky for Parise and NJ's #4. I might even throw in our #31 and take back Rolston.

I can live with the Oil trading down to #3, 4, or 5. You can at least fetch Huberdeau, Couturier, or Strome there. But passing up Nugent for Dougie Hamilton is a severe drop off.

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#20 Chris.
June 11 2011, 10:18AM
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If I were ST I wouldn't under ANY circumstances drop further than 3rd. Otherwise just take RNH and try to move up with the 19th.

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#21 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 10:20AM
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Don't trade the first! Let the magnificent bastard have his pick of the litter. I love the trade talk, but realistically patience will pay off more than a dirty deal.

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#22 russ99
June 11 2011, 10:21AM
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Oilfan14 wrote:

There is a mock draft on NHL.com that has LarsSon as the first pick. What a loonie, RNH all the way.

Here I the link. http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=69478

As did Copper & Blue.

Don't believe the WHL-kid hype. RNH isn't a slam-dunk and "vision" is hard to quantify when there are so many other question marks.

BTW - in this week's NY Times a Western Conference source was quoted that Larsson would be a Norris candidate within 5 years.

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#23 Chris.
June 11 2011, 10:23AM
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Also, any offer for Columbus' pick should be made on the draft floor AFTER we know which player has fallen to 8th.

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#24 Sox and Oil
June 11 2011, 10:25AM
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LT. When's the deadline for your top ten contest? I have my list just need to shoot it your way.

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#25 jayoilfan
June 11 2011, 10:34AM
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sox and oil, I believe it is right up until the draft so you've got almost two more weeks to flip back and forth amongst pics.

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#26 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 10:56AM
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I usually like to hear both sides of good debate/trade possibilities but…Trading # 1 to for # 7 and Bogosian is a horrible idea. This player publicly vented last year (remind anybody of someone) by all accounts regressed last year, was usurped in the line up by another player, was a healthy scratch for a lot of games and like J.Chambers said had a week plus/minus, and he may not be even a top 4 D-Man right now. We got a better prospect from L.A.

However, I do not see Hemsky re-signing here, unless Hemsky signs an extension in the next week I think its incumbent on the Oilers to look for a deal with the BJ’s….Ha! I said BJ. Try and flip that pick plus 18th to NJ for that pick, take salary back (Rolston has retired) Then If Larson is gone by the time you get to pick you can start thinking about taking another center and possible moving Gagner for a that D-Man possible Gudbranson.

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#27 @NateInVegas
June 11 2011, 10:57AM
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Trading a #1 pick should net 3 players/picks minimum and won't happen within the Western Confernece, so let's not get crazy.

If the Winnipeg Whatevers want Edmonton's pick, I'd ask for Kane/Enstrom, #7, and the Whatevers 1st in 2012.

The Islanders #5 pick is what I target. They've shown the ability to make as dumb, or dumber decisions than the Oilers. Tallon/Lamoriello aren't inept enough to do it with #3 or #4...

Gagner, Gilbert, #31, & 2012's 2nd might get Edmonton #5 this year. Reunite JT & Sam, they might just go for it!

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#28 Quicksilver ballet
June 11 2011, 11:03AM
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Evander Kane is to Winnipeg what Taylor Hall is to Edmonton as far as Winnipeg/Atlanta is concerned, he's one of the few untouchables on that roster.

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#29 OilFan
June 11 2011, 11:07AM
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Media hype media hype lol. Name a GM that wouldn't listen to offers. The EDMONTON media tries so hard to create stories lol . Just wait next we will get an article relating to information they have, but can't write about it.

GO NATION GO

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#30 Moose
June 11 2011, 11:07AM
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I like the idea of taking Rolston's contract to try and get to #4 but he has a NTC I think, so you'd probably have to make some agreement to take him off waivers (didn't he clear waivers last year?). Doubt he would come here on his own.

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#32 Old Soldier
June 11 2011, 11:09AM
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Okay going off the board here, but the thought of trading the 1st pick overall is a bit off the board as it is.

How about the first and Hemsky to LA for Brayden Schenn, Ryan Smith and Viatcheslav Voynov. LA supposedly is looking at more veteran scoring, and Hemmer is a cheaper option than Richards and their depth at center means Schenn, would be at most #3. Voynov is a blue-chip quarterback style d-man, and LA makes a splash with the first pick overall, perhaps Landeskog for some added power on the wing.

We get a young center, young d-man and quality veteran leadership, and LA gets the offence and a chance to pick first.

Win - Win isnt it

**on a side note, I am naseous(sp?) after that game last night, please please hockey gods, let the Bruins repeat the Pens comeback agaisnt Detroit.

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#33 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 11:10AM
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We should not trade the #1 pick, but there are a lot of teams who could be taken advantage of in trades this summer:

1. Winnipeg - Players not willing to play there could be had cheaply.

2. Philadelphia - Up against the cap and need to make space for Ilya.

3. Nashville - Up against their team cap and may not be able to resign both Weber and Suter.

4. Calgary - Looking to rapidly transition from a cap team into a full rebuild. May be willing to sell assets cheaply to start building towards future.

5. Toronto - recent history shows they can be had in their quest to rebuild through trades and free agency.

6. Chicago - surprisingly still tight against the cap, hjalmarsson anyone?

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#34 Shane
June 11 2011, 11:14AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Hemsky and the 31st to Columbus for their 8th, then flip the 8th with another roster player/prospect to get us into that 4-5 spot. Doesn't get any better than netting Hopkins and Couturier. Not sure which one would be the beauty and which one would be the beast yet. We'd still have the 19th as well, maybe there's an opportunity to move up on that selection and grab Hamilton or Seimens.

Hopefully the Carter to Columbus deal can wait till after the draft, this could screw everything up if it happens before. Have to think that 8th would go in that deal.

If I was offered Hemsky AND the 31st for the 8th I'd be laughing so happily...... BiG overpay!

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#35 @NateInVegas
June 11 2011, 11:34AM
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The 8th pick could be used for McNeil,Zibanejad, or Siemens.

I'd like one of them on the Oilers, instead of playing against all 3 of them with (Minnesota#10, Colorado#11, and Calgary #13)

Maybe someone in the draft slips to 8 that Edmonton really likes???

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#36 OilFan
June 11 2011, 11:55AM
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Brule for a 3rd rounder. Foster for a fourth. These are the trades I see Tambo doing. Maybe if we are lucky Gilbert for a pick. Tambo is the king of trading for draft picks. Remember he has no intention of having a playoff team/NHL team for at least three more years. GRRRRRR

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#37 Quicksilver ballet
June 11 2011, 12:05PM
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Chris. wrote:

Also, any offer for Columbus' pick should be made on the draft floor AFTER we know which player has fallen to 8th.

Not if your going to flip that 8th to move up into the top five, wouldn't that be a little problematic?

Go hard after that 8th now, then on draft day look to deal with the #4 and #5 club.

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#38 mojo
June 11 2011, 12:27PM
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L.T. Do yopu think the jackets would do #31,cogs , and smid for the 8th and jarred boll( if he's still there) or would that be an overpayment

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#39 Chris.
June 11 2011, 12:27PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Not if your going to flip that 8th to move up into the top five, wouldn't that be a little problematic?

Go hard after that 8th now, then on draft day look to deal with the #4 and #5 club.

The trading for 8th and then 8th for 4th is blogger type fantasy. Just moving up to 8th alone would be rare and exciting.

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#40 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 12:27PM
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Potential trades?

1. Winnipeg - Bogosian for 31st plus Marincin - Disgruntled player for late first rounder and Oilers top prospect.

2. Phili - Versteeg for 31st plus Brule - Flyers shed cap and get approximately get the value they gave up for Versteeg (1st rounder = Early second rounder+)

3. Nashville - Blum for MPS, Brule, and 61st - Suter is not a good target unless we know we can ink him long-term. This deal swaps youth for youth from the depth of each team to their weakness.

4. Toronto - Joe Colborne plus Leafs second rounder for Hemsky - This is a reach as I know little to nothing about Colborne, but his height, weight and position look like a perfect fit for Oilers needs.

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#41 jayoilfan
June 11 2011, 12:33PM
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Wow I was listening to Lowetide's show and my draft list was mentioned!!!! I think it was the second team list he described!!! cool.

thanks LT you just made my day!

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#42 DieHard
June 11 2011, 12:39PM
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justDOit wrote:

I'd have to agree with Garett - passing up on an impact center would be fuellish.

And it would be even worse to give that #1 to a team that's going to be in our division soon. The 'Peg team might be really weak at center, but not as weak as the Oilers.

Totally agree. We would hate ourselves to see Nugent-Hopkins tearing up our division for Winnipeg.

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#43 Hemmertime
June 11 2011, 12:40PM
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Trading Hemsky for a pick would get Tambo fired, not immediately, but at the end of next season when we're in the bottom of the standings again and they traded our most productive player.

3 Bottom finishes is not something Oiler fans will stand idly by for.

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#44 DieHard
June 11 2011, 12:44PM
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Action Jackson wrote:

Potential trades?

1. Winnipeg - Bogosian for 31st plus Marincin - Disgruntled player for late first rounder and Oilers top prospect.

2. Phili - Versteeg for 31st plus Brule - Flyers shed cap and get approximately get the value they gave up for Versteeg (1st rounder = Early second rounder+)

3. Nashville - Blum for MPS, Brule, and 61st - Suter is not a good target unless we know we can ink him long-term. This deal swaps youth for youth from the depth of each team to their weakness.

4. Toronto - Joe Colborne plus Leafs second rounder for Hemsky - This is a reach as I know little to nothing about Colborne, but his height, weight and position look like a perfect fit for Oilers needs.

Please stop trading MPS. He's 6'3" with blazing speed.

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#45 Chris.
June 11 2011, 12:45PM
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Hemsky for Couturier sure sounds better than Hemsky for Zibanejad. I want to KNOW whose on the board at 8th before I deal away roster players. If for some reason someone really good falls then I make a deal.

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#46 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 12:46PM
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Chris. wrote:

The trading for 8th and then 8th for 4th is blogger type fantasy. Just moving up to 8th alone would be rare and exciting.

Not really, I've said that Hemsky alone might get you the the pick, most likely another prospect such as Chorney could be involved.

NJ has all kinds of issue worth exploring, such as having to part with next years 1st round draft pick,now if jersey has two first rounds next year i believe they get to choose which pick the league takes. Also NJ is in a world of hurt from the cap, plus Rolstons contract remains on the books even though he retired.( I think) So a deal with NJ is not out of the question. I think ST has to go hard after a situation like this, whether he can pull it off is the another story.

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#47 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 12:47PM
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@DieHard

We need a d-man and if the plan is not to draft someone then we need to trade for a young d-man. I'd hate to give up MPS, but he is a valuable asset we can use to acquire someone like Blum.

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#48 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 12:49PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Trading Hemsky for a pick would get Tambo fired, not immediately, but at the end of next season when we're in the bottom of the standings again and they traded our most productive player.

3 Bottom finishes is not something Oiler fans will stand idly by for.

With Hemskey in the line up where did we finnish? where do you see us finishing again with hemskey in the line up? We are a last place team again this year with the risk of losing said player at the end of it.

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#49 Chris.
June 11 2011, 01:12PM
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@Wes Mantooth

I didn't mean trading for the 4th is fantasy. I meant complex deals involving multiple trades with multiple organizatins is blogger fantasy. I mean: how often since the lockout have you seen a team trade for the 8th and then flip the 8th for a fourth?

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#50 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 01:31PM
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Chris. wrote:

I didn't mean trading for the 4th is fantasy. I meant complex deals involving multiple trades with multiple organizatins is blogger fantasy. I mean: how often since the lockout have you seen a team trade for the 8th and then flip the 8th for a fourth?

I agree that all of this is just conjecture and wishful thinking, not denying that. However, if you can move up to 8th, then putting a deal to move 4 spots up is attainable. depending on what assets you are willing to move. Hemsky-Gagner-are valuable assets. Hemsky wont re-sign here. Theres a number of prospects to work with as well-Corney, Petry,VV,Marincin Omark, How about the 18th pick as well. This by no means is as huge of a deal to move from 8th to 4th if you think of it as individual trades. NJ is ripe for the picking, no options huge cap and no space, plus the pick they have to give up next year.

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