ST Looking for A Good Home for #1 Overall

Lowetide
June 11 2011 08:06AM

The big news for Edmonton Oiler fans this week (aside from the Brule-Bono story having more sustain than the Stanley run of 2006) is that General Manager Steve Tambellini is listening to offers for the #1 overall pick. Is he serious?

Let me preface this by saying that I'm 99% certain that Jason Gregor's recent article on the subject is spot on. When Jason says "In the past month Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has become the consensus first overall pick. He is number one on every mock draft that I've seen, (if there is a reputable one that doesn't have him first please let me know) so I don't see why Tambellini would trade him" that makes sense to me and I'm sure all Oiler fans. As recently as late last night--early this morning, Redline Report's final rankings confirm RNH as their number one overall.

However, what if one team--one solitary team looking to make a splash--made a tremendous offer, Steve Tambellini would have to look at it. Right? Is there a team such as this? I count two.

HOW COMPELLING MUST IT BE?

I think the offer would need to solve two of the Oilers problems with a strong solution. Something so good that Steve Tambellini can feel he's addressed two needs by dealing one selection. Not a "#1 plus #19 plus #31 for "#2 and #11" solution, but rather the first overall pick for another pick high enough to secure a top flight position player and either another high pick or quality player/prospect.

WHO ARE THE TEAMS?

The Winnipeg franchise arrives in Guess Who-ville with a solid young team capable of having strong seasons in the not too distant future. They have a couple of areas of need that could work out well for Edmonton:

  • A need to put a face on the franchise. The Winnipeg team has all kinds of talent and a true young star in Evander Kane, but fans could get behind a splash at the draft and could adopt the first true Winnipeg roster player as their own.
  • An extreme weakness at center, as described by Gabriel Desjardins in his look at the Winnipeg HC.

If the Oilers and Winnipeg start talking, is there a framework of a deal? Perhaps the number one overall pick and a pick/solid prospect for the number seven overall pick and defenseman Zach Bogosian? Remember, even if the top of the draft goes according to Hoyle, there will be an exceptional talent at number 7 overall.

Does that hold value? Say Sean Couturier or Ryan Strome or Dougie Hamilton plus Bogosian for number one overall and a lesser asset? I think it's worth thinking about.

The second trade has been discussed pretty much everywhere. The Jackets have the number 8 selection and are apparently looking to make a splash and make the playoffs before the end of next century. Is a high pick for Hemsky enough? It is if #83 isn't going to sign here a year from now. Is Hemsky healthy enough to risk a high pick on? Likely not, but desperate times call for desperate measures and Howson would know Hemmer pretty well.

The same group of players (minus one) would be available at number 8, so the Oilers could walk out of the top 10 with RNH and perhaps Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murphy or Mika Zibanejad.

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Nation Radio is on again today (12 noon local time) on Team 1260 radio. Guests scheduled to appear:

  • AJ Haefele from Mile High Hockey will discuss the Avs at the draft. We'll attempt to get #2 and #11 from him in exchange for #1 and #19 and a promise to select Tyler Arnason first overall. We'll also give him supreme heck for changing his web nick to AJ Haefele from the classic "SlamDunkthe Funk."
  • Kent Simpson, Edmonton Oil Kings commentator. We'll talk about the draft, what people who spend their winters in hockey rinks do in the summer and I'll ask him about the SCF.
  • Cam Moon, Red Deer Rebels play by play man and a legendary WHL figure. We'll talk Memorial Cup, the draft, I'll ask him probing questions about the RNH EV/PP and Goals/Assists controversy and find out if he's lazier than Kent Simpson in the summertime (one imagines it's neck and neck).
  • Kirk Luedeke is quickly becoming our draft guru at Nation Radio. Buddy knows his stuff, and came back from the combine with some juicy rumors about trade activity at the draft. We'll put him under a dim bulb, give him a rickety chair and mock the Bruins until he spills the beans.

Plus I'll pass along my updated top 30 for the 2011 draft and we'll read some of your top 10's that have been flooding in for our first Nation Radio contest. You still have time to enter by sending your top 10 prediction for the 2011 draft to nationradio@theteam1260.com and I can say it's been fun reading through about 100 entries so far. I grew up thinking I was the only draft nerd on the planet, turns out I was born 30 years too soon. Dammit!

We're also on twitter @ItsNationRadio and you can catch the show on the Al Gore here.

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#51 OilFan
June 11 2011, 11:55AM
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Brule for a 3rd rounder. Foster for a fourth. These are the trades I see Tambo doing. Maybe if we are lucky Gilbert for a pick. Tambo is the king of trading for draft picks. Remember he has no intention of having a playoff team/NHL team for at least three more years. GRRRRRR

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#52 Quicksilver ballet
June 11 2011, 12:05PM
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Chris. wrote:

Also, any offer for Columbus' pick should be made on the draft floor AFTER we know which player has fallen to 8th.

Not if your going to flip that 8th to move up into the top five, wouldn't that be a little problematic?

Go hard after that 8th now, then on draft day look to deal with the #4 and #5 club.

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#53 mojo
June 11 2011, 12:27PM
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L.T. Do yopu think the jackets would do #31,cogs , and smid for the 8th and jarred boll( if he's still there) or would that be an overpayment

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#54 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 12:27PM
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Potential trades?

1. Winnipeg - Bogosian for 31st plus Marincin - Disgruntled player for late first rounder and Oilers top prospect.

2. Phili - Versteeg for 31st plus Brule - Flyers shed cap and get approximately get the value they gave up for Versteeg (1st rounder = Early second rounder+)

3. Nashville - Blum for MPS, Brule, and 61st - Suter is not a good target unless we know we can ink him long-term. This deal swaps youth for youth from the depth of each team to their weakness.

4. Toronto - Joe Colborne plus Leafs second rounder for Hemsky - This is a reach as I know little to nothing about Colborne, but his height, weight and position look like a perfect fit for Oilers needs.

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#55 jayoilfan
June 11 2011, 12:33PM
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Wow I was listening to Lowetide's show and my draft list was mentioned!!!! I think it was the second team list he described!!! cool.

thanks LT you just made my day!

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#56 DieHard
June 11 2011, 12:39PM
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justDOit wrote:

I'd have to agree with Garett - passing up on an impact center would be fuellish.

And it would be even worse to give that #1 to a team that's going to be in our division soon. The 'Peg team might be really weak at center, but not as weak as the Oilers.

Totally agree. We would hate ourselves to see Nugent-Hopkins tearing up our division for Winnipeg.

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#57 Chris.
June 11 2011, 12:45PM
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Hemsky for Couturier sure sounds better than Hemsky for Zibanejad. I want to KNOW whose on the board at 8th before I deal away roster players. If for some reason someone really good falls then I make a deal.

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#58 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 12:46PM
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Chris. wrote:

The trading for 8th and then 8th for 4th is blogger type fantasy. Just moving up to 8th alone would be rare and exciting.

Not really, I've said that Hemsky alone might get you the the pick, most likely another prospect such as Chorney could be involved.

NJ has all kinds of issue worth exploring, such as having to part with next years 1st round draft pick,now if jersey has two first rounds next year i believe they get to choose which pick the league takes. Also NJ is in a world of hurt from the cap, plus Rolstons contract remains on the books even though he retired.( I think) So a deal with NJ is not out of the question. I think ST has to go hard after a situation like this, whether he can pull it off is the another story.

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#59 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 12:47PM
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@DieHard

We need a d-man and if the plan is not to draft someone then we need to trade for a young d-man. I'd hate to give up MPS, but he is a valuable asset we can use to acquire someone like Blum.

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#60 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 12:49PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Trading Hemsky for a pick would get Tambo fired, not immediately, but at the end of next season when we're in the bottom of the standings again and they traded our most productive player.

3 Bottom finishes is not something Oiler fans will stand idly by for.

With Hemskey in the line up where did we finnish? where do you see us finishing again with hemskey in the line up? We are a last place team again this year with the risk of losing said player at the end of it.

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#61 Chris.
June 11 2011, 01:12PM
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@Wes Mantooth

I didn't mean trading for the 4th is fantasy. I meant complex deals involving multiple trades with multiple organizatins is blogger fantasy. I mean: how often since the lockout have you seen a team trade for the 8th and then flip the 8th for a fourth?

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#62 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 01:31PM
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Chris. wrote:

I didn't mean trading for the 4th is fantasy. I meant complex deals involving multiple trades with multiple organizatins is blogger fantasy. I mean: how often since the lockout have you seen a team trade for the 8th and then flip the 8th for a fourth?

I agree that all of this is just conjecture and wishful thinking, not denying that. However, if you can move up to 8th, then putting a deal to move 4 spots up is attainable. depending on what assets you are willing to move. Hemsky-Gagner-are valuable assets. Hemsky wont re-sign here. Theres a number of prospects to work with as well-Corney, Petry,VV,Marincin Omark, How about the 18th pick as well. This by no means is as huge of a deal to move from 8th to 4th if you think of it as individual trades. NJ is ripe for the picking, no options huge cap and no space, plus the pick they have to give up next year.

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#63 kgo
June 11 2011, 01:34PM
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HEMSKY WANTS TO STAY IN EDMONTON!!!! His words

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#64 DieHard
June 11 2011, 01:41PM
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@Action Jackson

I agree with our need for D. But, Blum (6"1") was a 23rd OV, has spent a few seasons in AHL and is maybe 2nd pairing probable 3rd. All this for MPS (10th OV who fell to us) and is 1st or 2nd line winger. Did I mention size and SPEED. Plus Brule (6th OV) plus 51st but I think you meant 61st (first pick in third round) Way too much. Blum for MPS is by itself is overpay. Your other trades I could live with.

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#65 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 01:56PM
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Shane wrote:

Hemsky 09-10 GP22, 10-11 GP47

I said I like him but does that not tell you about a depreciating asset that may not sign here. Nobody's going to convince me that trading Hemsky for a high end 1st round pick is a bad idea.

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#66 justDOit
June 11 2011, 02:01PM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

I said I like him but does that not tell you about a depreciating asset that may not sign here. Nobody's going to convince me that trading Hemsky for a high end 1st round pick is a bad idea.

I love watching the things that Hemsky can do - he's an amazing player.

BUT, he's also a very one-dimensional player, a player who goes fearlessly into extremely dangerous areas, and gets hurt a lot because of that. If you tell him not to go into those areas, then he's a zero-dimensional player.

I would doubt very much that any team would offer a high first-round pick for Hemmers. Too many risks, not enough reward. And then there's the Isles...

Edit: So yes, I would be in favor of a high 1st rounder for Hemsky. It fits with the team's 'plan', and gives us a decent return on a player who is not getting any younger or healthier.

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#67 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 02:17PM
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justDOit wrote:

I love watching the things that Hemsky can do - he's an amazing player.

BUT, he's also a very one-dimensional player, a player who goes fearlessly into extremely dangerous areas, and gets hurt a lot because of that. If you tell him not to go into those areas, then he's a zero-dimensional player.

I would doubt very much that any team would offer a high first-round pick for Hemmers. Too many risks, not enough reward. And then there's the Isles...

Edit: So yes, I would be in favor of a high 1st rounder for Hemsky. It fits with the team's 'plan', and gives us a decent return on a player who is not getting any younger or healthier.

Can you foresee a Hemsky + for the pick? Insert anyone you think would be enough for the pick. Gilbert-Omark-Smid-Cogliano? maybe an overpayment. Chorney- Plante-VV or the 18th?

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#68 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 02:37PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

So wheres all this tasty Kool-aid everybody is drinkin that thinks the Oilers should trade MPS, why not trade Eberle or Hall while your at it...i mean we do have the "depth" you guys think the Oilers have at forward.

IMO the untouchables are Hall,Eberle,MPS,Dubnyk,Hemsky,Omark,Peckham,and Gagner

Hemsky wants to stay here and when healthy he's pretty darn good and one of the leaders on the team and if he does get hurt again then a guy like Hartikanin can play more mins while a call up from OKC(VV,Hamilton,or Omarra) can fill in at Hartikanin's spot on the 3/4 line

Depth to me is having the players in the farm system to fill the void when needed not trading away a pretty good player to fill a hole in another you just create another hole the team needs to fill.

I agree on most of that except the ability to sign Hemsky. If he does not sign before the draft then he depreciates as an asset through the season. Are we going to get a player equal to or better in the draft? doubt it, unless you get into the top 5 which having another high pick can get you. P.S Gagner is open to trade as well and what makes Omark untouchable? I wouldn't necessarily trade him, but if your a GM and his name come's up your listening.

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#69 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 02:40PM
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@a lg dubl dubl

I hope you are right that we get to keep all of those guys and also build up to a playoff team, but I don't think we can. We will likely need to trade for a young defenceman at some point as we have a lot of broken parts back there that need replacing. In order to acquire a d-man we need to give something up and if we want to leave Stu with all his picks that means paying with a roster player.

In order to understand what I mean when I say depth upfront just look at your list of untouchable players. It is dominated by forwards and there is only one defenseman on it, Peckham, who is likely a 5-6 guy. We need more D!

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#70 Quicksilver ballet
June 11 2011, 02:46PM
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@Chris.

Maybe you're right Chris, it's definately alot of work involved here, you're right, why even bother to try to better our standing in this league. Let's just tuck tail, do nothing and take our boobie prize next yr. We'll desperately cling to those hopes of barely making the playoffs in 5 yrs. Thinking like this has served us well the last five years. This is accurate we know, cause the seats are still full everynight. They better not get off their asses and ruin this gig they have going here.

You're right Chris....why even try.

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#71 Chris.
June 11 2011, 03:23PM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

I agree that all of this is just conjecture and wishful thinking, not denying that. However, if you can move up to 8th, then putting a deal to move 4 spots up is attainable. depending on what assets you are willing to move. Hemsky-Gagner-are valuable assets. Hemsky wont re-sign here. Theres a number of prospects to work with as well-Corney, Petry,VV,Marincin Omark, How about the 18th pick as well. This by no means is as huge of a deal to move from 8th to 4th if you think of it as individual trades. NJ is ripe for the picking, no options huge cap and no space, plus the pick they have to give up next year.

I bet it would cost more overall to trade for 8th, and then the 8th for 4th; then if you just traded for the 4th directly.

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#72 Action Jackson
June 11 2011, 04:21PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Why so serious?

I can't resist. This draft is not life or death of the Oilers. The key to being a successful franchise going forward will be patience. The best asset we have is Stu. It may be a better idea to drop back from 19 and gain more picks for him to do his thing with rather than move up. No reason to sell the farm to move up unless that is what Stu thinks we need to do.

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#73 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 11 2011, 04:21PM
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Just as a little background information.

A few years ago both Mike Camillari and Alex Tanguay were traded with one year left on their contracts.... most importantly both were healthy.

Both fetched late 1st round picks.

Lets not get too excited about getting a top 10 pick for Hemsky without including something significant.

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#74 justDOit
June 11 2011, 04:24PM
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@Wes Mantooth

If we have to pile on more assets for that pick, then I don't see it being worthwhile.

Hemmer's a great player when healthy, and better than any pick this year (until they develop, but the future me worries about his injury problems.

Pessimistic me believes he's not worth a high 1st round pick in the eyes of other GMs, so that pretty much says that we keep him - barring a socks-knocking offer. Say, Niederreiter for Hemmer and Cogs? Hmmmmmm.

And just the thought of trading MPS takes me back to '88. Watchootalkinbout?

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#75 Rogue
June 11 2011, 04:39PM
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DO NOT TRADE RNH! Sorry, did not mean to shout.

Do NOT TRADE MPV. Not sorry, I did mean to shout. We talk about size for wingers. Well give this kid a couple more seasons and I believe you will see, at the very least, a poor mans Forsberg.

Hemsky tears me. Love the skill, but hate the injuries. We need the skill and leadership. But there is none of this available when he is out of the lineup. Therefore, if they get an offer that knocks their socks off, I think they should move him.

*But it better knock their socks off.*

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#76 pelhem grenville
June 11 2011, 05:15PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Disagree AJ.

The Oilers only hope to regain respectabilty again is through the draft. Without the luxury of having these kids handcuffed here for 7 yrs, they might as well fold this franchise.

There is plenty of urgency going into this draft. The Oilers have 2 perhaps 3 young players that may eventually be part of a successful group. They need to add to this group sooner rather than later. I believe there's an opportunity to add 2 perhaps 3 more kids to this group this summer. With an 84% fail rate of draft picks inside of that said 7 yrs, there is very much an urgency to beg borrow and steal our way into that top 5 and greatly reduce our chances of selecting a player who falls into that 84% category.

Get that group of 4 or 5 kids together now and throw them into the deep end of the pool. Some may drown (become support players) but i'm sure we'll find 3 perhaps 4 solid players out of that group of 5. Let them grow together and become something others may want to be a part of. The clock is ticking, we only have six yrs (or less) left before it smashes into a thousand pieces here.

... got passion?

i'm proppin' the crap outta ur stuff Q >>>you sir are hot as a pistol this late afternoon...a brand new take on panic, without all the itching and chafing...

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#77 Quicksilver ballet
June 11 2011, 05:22PM
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@pelhem grenville

Someone's gotta have all the fun PG, might as well be me.

Just feel the situation really is this bad right now. Buy into the panic presented here and lets error on the side of caution......can i buy you a cold beverage this fine day PG?

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#78 michael
June 11 2011, 06:27PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Someone's gotta have all the fun PG, might as well be me.

Just feel the situation really is this bad right now. Buy into the panic presented here and lets error on the side of caution......can i buy you a cold beverage this fine day PG?

Hemsky's injury will put him well into August by the time he can skate. he really won't be efective for the first 20 games or so. Using Omark on the PP is a better choice anyways for the Oilers. Hemsky can say what he wants but on July 1st he would have to show that he want sto stay by signing a 3 year deal at about the same money he gets now. He dosen't have a leg to stand on literally in any negotiation. His recent injuries have devalued him as a player and thus his marketability. You may think that Hemsky to Columbus is enough to get the *th pick but realistically it would probably be Hemsky, Gilbert and the 19th for the 8th, Filatov and a 2rd pick next year.The Oilers window of opportunity to win the cup will be in 14-15. They will need to ensure that they have enough cap space moving forward. Hemsky has topped out and Gilbert is at most a 3-4 dman. at 4 million per player? Hemsky's role is diminishing and would continue to doso on a team that has the likes of RNH,Hall, Eberle, MP,Omark,Pitlick,Hamilton and so forth. He'll be pushed out sooner than later. The time is right now that we should move him to Columbus. A team that needs to win right now. If you move Hemsky now Omark will then need to step up his game. Can he do it? We'll see.he talks the talk and when given a chance to play with other skill player he has shown he can walk the walk. This draft has so many permutations its sick. So many teams in the hunt. Its Tambos time to step his game up and play lets make a deal.

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#79 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 07:09PM
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@David S

How many games has he played in the last 3 years?

Yeah, lets extend him at 5.0 to 5.5 million a year (that's conservative) so he might be able to play 40 games a year! seriously get a grip1

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#80 Wes Mantooth
June 11 2011, 07:12PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Disagree AJ.

The Oilers only hope to regain respectabilty again is through the draft. Without the luxury of having these kids handcuffed here for 7 yrs, they might as well fold this franchise.

There is plenty of urgency going into this draft. The Oilers have 2 perhaps 3 young players that may eventually be part of a successful group. They need to add to this group sooner rather than later. I believe there's an opportunity to add 2 perhaps 3 more kids to this group this summer. With an 84% fail rate of draft picks inside of that said 7 yrs, there is very much an urgency to beg borrow and steal our way into that top 5 and greatly reduce our chances of selecting a player who falls into that 84% category.

Get that group of 4 or 5 kids together now and throw them into the deep end of the pool. Some may drown (become support players) but i'm sure we'll find 3 perhaps 4 solid players out of that group of 5. Let them grow together and become something others may want to be a part of. The clock is ticking, we only have six yrs (or less) left before it smashes into a thousand pieces here.

Well said sir!

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#81 a lg dubl dubl
June 11 2011, 09:42PM
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@Action Jackson

I do agree that the Oilers DO need more solid defencemen but I just can't see the point of trading a forward for a d-man, now if your talkin trading a dman, Gilbert,or Plante, and sad to say even Smid + a draft pick (any pick but 1st round) to get a guy like Bogosian or whatever dman Dithers wants then so be it.

I guess the point im tryin to make is it just doesnt make sense to deplete the forward position to get depth at defence, trade a forward get a forward back same goes for defence, the Oilers have to maintain what little depth they do have til FAs want to play here again.

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#82 knobby
June 11 2011, 09:43PM
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If Tam-man trades this #1 overall pick he is more suspect as a GM than even I think.

This must make RNH and his agent feel real welcome by the Oilers and their fans. How stupid is it for him to be making such an announcement in public. Would it not have been wiser to keep it in the GM pipeline?

Worst case scenario, someone else says something to the press and he has the advantage of plausible deniability at the very least.

I do believe as ST says, 'he has no idea what to do at the draft'. I believe he has decision making problems and has shown a real reluctance to act like a freaking GM when it comes to drafting and pro trades.

If he muffs this draft I would hope Katz realizes this guy has such a fear of making an error his first inclination is to do nothing.

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#83 Quintana
June 11 2011, 10:03PM
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Action Jackson wrote:

We need a d-man and if the plan is not to draft someone then we need to trade for a young d-man. I'd hate to give up MPS, but he is a valuable asset we can use to acquire someone like Blum.

Give it up man, MPS is untouchable, he's gonna be a force in the NHL, a 60P-70P guy you just wait and see!!

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#84 David S
June 11 2011, 10:47PM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

How many games has he played in the last 3 years?

Yeah, lets extend him at 5.0 to 5.5 million a year (that's conservative) so he might be able to play 40 games a year! seriously get a grip1

Sam Gagner is a "high first-round pick". Do you trade Hemsky for Gagner? Because that's basically what you're suggesting.

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#85 Wax Man Riley
June 12 2011, 01:24AM
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kgo wrote:

HEMSKY WANTS TO STAY IN EDMONTON!!!! His words

Hemsky refers to himself in the 3rd person?

Wax Man Riley wonders how you know that.

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#86 Wax Man Riley
June 12 2011, 01:24AM
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kgo wrote:

HEMSKY WANTS TO STAY IN EDMONTON!!!! His words

Well, apparently Wax Man Riley also double posted again.

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#87 pelhem grenville
June 12 2011, 04:31AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Someone's gotta have all the fun PG, might as well be me.

Just feel the situation really is this bad right now. Buy into the panic presented here and lets error on the side of caution......can i buy you a cold beverage this fine day PG?

...i stepped away from my computer to do something and didn't came back, it's Sunday now!

i have a deal with God where if i don't consume alcohol and i don't end up doing really stupid stuff,? he let's me live a relatively happy life...so if there's a cold beverage without spirits included in your kind invitation, i'm most definitely in...

walked by the new Pint off Whyte yesterday & saw a cool bit of signage out front...

HANGOVER BRUNCH $10.00 Sat&Sun 11am-4pm

...sounds tasty

i'd be parched and hungry by noon...i'll be at the bar...i'm 6'3" 250...ponytail, arctic blonde van dyke... seeya there? your friend PG

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#88 michael
June 12 2011, 08:18AM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

How many games has he played in the last 3 years?

Yeah, lets extend him at 5.0 to 5.5 million a year (that's conservative) so he might be able to play 40 games a year! seriously get a grip1

I agree. Seems like an overpay based on recent performance. Its time. The writing is on the wall. A Gilbert-Hemsky trade to Columbus would benefit both teams and the players involved. Hemsky if he serious about playing here in Edmonton can sign here after a year. He is a UFA after this season. I just don't see where the Oilers have him in thier longterm plans? Anyone? Second line winger at 5 million per season. I think not.

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#89 Wes Mantooth
June 12 2011, 08:59AM
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David S wrote:

Sam Gagner is a "high first-round pick". Do you trade Hemsky for Gagner? Because that's basically what you're suggesting.

At the risk of loosing Hemsky for nothing, yes! Hell yes! Why would you not make that trade? A quality 2nd line center is exactly what I'm proposing! You sign Hemsky to 5.0 per at roughly 40 games as apposed to Gagner who will play you about 75 to 82 games per at half the cost at - 10 to 15 points. Really? got to use a better argument then that to sway me my friend.

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#90 NamelessNed
June 12 2011, 09:19AM
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Parise for #1 overall? ;)

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#91 Wes Mantooth
June 12 2011, 10:12AM
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michael wrote:

I agree. Seems like an overpay based on recent performance. Its time. The writing is on the wall. A Gilbert-Hemsky trade to Columbus would benefit both teams and the players involved. Hemsky if he serious about playing here in Edmonton can sign here after a year. He is a UFA after this season. I just don't see where the Oilers have him in thier longterm plans? Anyone? Second line winger at 5 million per season. I think not.

Props! well said.

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#92 Dog Train
June 12 2011, 11:59AM
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I am opposed to trading #1 overall. If we do not come out of this draft with a legitimate #1 center than it will be a big time failure in my opinion. Trading down to 7 seems too steep for my blood.

I wouldn't mind getting up to #8 if possible however. I think that Murphy will still be there by then and somebody could surprise and take Zibanejad over one of the other centers. The thing that would intrigue me about Murphy is that he has an offensive upside that I don't see from anybody either on our current blue-line or in the pipeline.

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#93 David S
June 12 2011, 12:37PM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

At the risk of loosing Hemsky for nothing, yes! Hell yes! Why would you not make that trade? A quality 2nd line center is exactly what I'm proposing! You sign Hemsky to 5.0 per at roughly 40 games as apposed to Gagner who will play you about 75 to 82 games per at half the cost at - 10 to 15 points. Really? got to use a better argument then that to sway me my friend.

- You don't know Hemsky's intent. I'm pretty sure Steve Tambellini does and he's about the only one.

- Hemsky may not be worth as much as you think. Even he would have to admit his injury-prone nature is deflating his value on the open market. Maybe he gets 3 years at $3.5/per.

- You've got a year to make the decision. Let's not Penner™ this one too - i.e. magic beans for a quality (ahem) player.

All this is irrelevant anyways. It's my feeling that Hemsky falls out of the core age group the Oilers are looking to build on. Odds are he gets dusted this summer for more whim and hope and you'll get what you want - another season of juniors and AHL'ers struggling to get 30 wins. Yay.

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#94 Wes Mantooth
June 12 2011, 12:48PM
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@David S

@ David S

I agree with everything you said there with the exception of Hemsky signing for a reduced rate, maybe on the open market, but he will demand more from the Oilers. So like i have been saying try and swing a deal that can bring us closer to that top 8 or closer.

As for Penner......From what I seen the last 2 months of the season, i'm thinking we came ahead.

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#95 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2011, 01:30PM
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@pelhem grenville

That is a very fine and popular plan i might add PG. I also share in this same program as well,15 yrs and counting.

Enjoy this gloriuos day, he has made.

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#96 kgo
June 12 2011, 03:45PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Hemsky refers to himself in the 3rd person?

Wax Man Riley wonders how you know that.

I lived with him for 4 years

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#97 Cowbell_Feva
June 12 2011, 04:03PM
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knobby wrote:

If Tam-man trades this #1 overall pick he is more suspect as a GM than even I think.

This must make RNH and his agent feel real welcome by the Oilers and their fans. How stupid is it for him to be making such an announcement in public. Would it not have been wiser to keep it in the GM pipeline?

Worst case scenario, someone else says something to the press and he has the advantage of plausible deniability at the very least.

I do believe as ST says, 'he has no idea what to do at the draft'. I believe he has decision making problems and has shown a real reluctance to act like a freaking GM when it comes to drafting and pro trades.

If he muffs this draft I would hope Katz realizes this guy has such a fear of making an error his first inclination is to do nothing.

Tambellini is not the first GM to be open about trading a #1 pick. In the "GM Pipeline" or out of it, rumours will swirl, just like every other year. I do agree they should keep the pick, but having the option to listen to offers is a win-win situation for him. Him stating that publicly is no big deal. IF, he gets offered the world for Hopkins, then he looks brilliant.

I'm not pro-Tambellini really, but I can't think of any brutal moves he has made, given the fact he inherited one F#CK of a mess from KLowe.

Also, if RNH and his agent feel unwelcomed because of the announcement, then they better grow some thicker skin quick, because a pro-hockey player is constantly under the microscope.

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#98 pelhem grenville
June 12 2011, 04:20PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

That is a very fine and popular plan i might add PG. I also share in this same program as well,15 yrs and counting.

Enjoy this gloriuos day, he has made.

...i'm one day at a time for these last ten years July 24...sorry we didn't connect at the Pint off Whyte...y'didn't miss much Q...the brunch was 'meh'...

...the servers were delicious...

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#99 CanaDave
June 12 2011, 04:57PM
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I've got no problem with Tambellini talking about trading the #1 pick, since in my opinion it would be foolish to not at least leave the door open to offers since you never know what might come out of left field.

If Detroit called and offered you Helm, Abdelkader, #24 and #55 for #1, at the very least I wouldn't just laugh and hang up the phone.

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#100 pelhem grenville
June 12 2011, 05:54PM
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CanaDave wrote:

I've got no problem with Tambellini talking about trading the #1 pick, since in my opinion it would be foolish to not at least leave the door open to offers since you never know what might come out of left field.

If Detroit called and offered you Helm, Abdelkader, #24 and #55 for #1, at the very least I wouldn't just laugh and hang up the phone.

...and when RNH turns into THEIR next Stevie Y and not OURS...we'll all commit mass suicide

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