"Few Ventured to Communicate"

Lowetide
June 02 2011 07:51AM

There are rumors from far away places that there's interest in free agent Steve MacIntyre. There's a big difference between interest from another team and MacIntyre signing with Chekhov.

Tom Renney likes his  tough guys. While behind the Rangers bench, Renney employed end-of-the-roster fighters/coke machines/goons who routinely averaged less than 6 minutes a game. In 06-07, Colton Orr and Ryan Hollweg were regulars and fought 16 and 15 times respectively.

In 2006-07 alone, Tom Renney devoted 642 minutes to Hollweg (8:42 a night) and 282 to Colton Orr (5 minutes a night). It is important to remember that these men dressed for a lot of games. Hollweg was an everyday player (78 games) and Orr played a lot too (53 games).

This past season, Renney also employed some tough guys:

  • D Theo Peckham: 10 majors, 1320 total minutes
  • R Zack Stortini, 8 majors, 227 total minutes
  • R Steve MacIntrye 7 majors, 120 total minutes
  • L J-F Jacques 5 majors, 360 total minutes


I don't think Renney has found his Colton Orr; we know it isn't Zack Stortini (I doubt he's with the organization come the fall) and we suspect it isn't J-F Jacques based on all kinds of things (including durability).

MACK TRUCK!

This is not a Mack Truck (it's a Peterbilt 351, one of the most famous vehicles in movie history--not. But it should be) and there's plenty of intimidation when it comes to Steve MacIntyre. I think maybe Tom Renney would like to coach him up to the point where he's Colton Orr, but might be thinking he can't get there from here with this player.

The Russian rumor is just that--a rumor. If Mr. Google's translate works then this is a manager talking about his wish list. I suspect Steve MacIntyre will be back in the fold come autumn--unless there's a Colton Orr out there.

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#1 DonovanMD
June 02 2011, 07:57AM
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I'd like to pass on Mac, would prefer Stortini because at least he can play, if not a bit. But ultimately I only want to see one guy on the team who makes his living with his FISTs.

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Mac won't leave his hunting buddy Jones, would he?

At this point I don't even know if getting a 8 minute guy that can play with grit is the answer. It would sure be nice to find someone that can play a top 6 role with grit. Or if that isn't possible than a d-man that can really bang and play a lot of minutes.

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Lowetide wrote:

Yeah, I think Stortini is the better player, Jacques the better skater and MacIntyre the better fighter. COMBINING them would be an excellent idea--I wonder if Wanye can do it?

I'd like to see Stortini on a two-way deal with the intention of him going to the AHL to become a better player. He wasn't exactly that bad of a fighter until that one day where I almost cried.

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#5 DonovanMD
June 02 2011, 08:05AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Mac won't leave his hunting buddy Jones, would he?

At this point I don't even know if getting a 8 minute guy that can play with grit is the answer. It would sure be nice to find someone that can play a top 6 role with grit. Or if that isn't possible than a d-man that can really bang and play a lot of minutes.

Not many Lucics out there. Every GM would love this dream player.

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#6 Pajamah
June 02 2011, 08:06AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Yeah, I think Stortini is the better player, Jacques the better skater and MacIntyre the better fighter. COMBINING them would be an excellent idea--I wonder if Wanye can do it?

Smacquintini?

That would be an abomination!

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DonovanMD wrote:

Not many Lucics out there. Every GM would love this dream player.

It doesn't even need to be that much grit. Marchand and his big nose would work.

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#8 Milli
June 02 2011, 08:12AM
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I sure like Storts, but his days in Etown are done. I hope SMack is back, that guys is scarry! I think Renney likes him and thinks he can develop him. Oh, and poor Ivantis (or whatever his name is) still suffering with concussion sydnrome

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#9 Dan the Man
June 02 2011, 08:18AM
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I had been a Stortini fan but I just don't know if there is one thing he does well enough to stay in the NHL.

I think he would be better off dropping about 20 lbs, improving his speed and playing more of an aggitator role. He's improved his fighting a lot but I don't think he fights well enough to be a full time enforcer.

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#10 Dan the Man
June 02 2011, 08:19AM
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Also here's a cool story about Gilbert Brule picking up Bono hitchhiking in West Van.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/entertainment/Oiler+Brule+gave+lift+hitchhiking+Bono/4877705/story.html

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Dan the Man wrote:

Also here's a cool story about Gilbert Brule picking up Bono hitchhiking in West Van.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/entertainment/Oiler+Brule+gave+lift+hitchhiking+Bono/4877705/story.html

Southpark is going to be mad that Brule didn't run him down.

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#12 Mrs. Potato Dick
June 02 2011, 08:41AM
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In my opinion we really need Macintyre.

The whole rebuilding thing only makes that more important.

The young dudes (and the rest of the team) can really get a boost from having one of the top 3 tough guys in the league riding shotgun.

Only problem is Macintyre is out hunting right now when he should be working on his skating. If he could morph into at least a shutdown, hard back-checking fwd he would see a little more ice time.

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#13 Ca$h-Money!
June 02 2011, 09:06AM
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Mrs. Potato Dick wrote:

In my opinion we really need Macintyre.

The whole rebuilding thing only makes that more important.

The young dudes (and the rest of the team) can really get a boost from having one of the top 3 tough guys in the league riding shotgun.

Only problem is Macintyre is out hunting right now when he should be working on his skating. If he could morph into at least a shutdown, hard back-checking fwd he would see a little more ice time.

Unfortunately, this type of attitude is quite widespread amongst oilers fans, and simply isn't backed up by the numbers. Think about the following:

1) Despite the fact our roster was weak, there were still lots of games where SMac dressed but sat on the bench the whole game, or only played a couple of minutes. Hard to be intimidating when you are so bad at the actual game that the coach doesn't put you on the ice.

2) The game has changed. No one will fight Smac except for other fighters, like Ivanans. Guys like Ivanans also don't play a lot of minutes, and are never on the ice at the same time as guys like Hall, so they aren't the ones who need to be punished. If Iginla runs Hall, how does beating up Ivanans teach the flames to leave the kids alone? Drew Doughty actually did run Hall, do you expect him to fight Smac? Obviously that isn't going to happen.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) do believe that Smac helps protect the kids, why don't you provide an example of how he did that last year.

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#14 T.C.
June 02 2011, 09:13AM
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We need smack to be more of a hunter on the ice. like the game in minn.Where he went hulk smash on the guy who hit mps!

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#15 I'm a Scientist!
June 02 2011, 09:26AM
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We need Cal Clutterbuck. End of story.

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#16 Jodes
June 02 2011, 09:43AM
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Mrs. Potato Dick wrote:

In my opinion we really need Macintyre.

The whole rebuilding thing only makes that more important.

The young dudes (and the rest of the team) can really get a boost from having one of the top 3 tough guys in the league riding shotgun.

Only problem is Macintyre is out hunting right now when he should be working on his skating. If he could morph into at least a shutdown, hard back-checking fwd he would see a little more ice time.

So what, a guy can't take a few days off to enjoy his hobbies? God Forbid.

How do you know that he hasn't been working on his skating and his skills?

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#17 chappy
June 02 2011, 09:57AM
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Pajamah wrote:

Smacquintini?

That would be an abomination!

A Smacquintini shaken please, over crushed ice.

I'll have one.

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#18 justDOit
June 02 2011, 10:09AM
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Storts can't fight well enough to take on guys one weight class under him, but he has improved over the last two seasons. Still doesn't get no respect around the league.

Smac can't skate, handle the puck, or play hockey well enough to be on the ice for 5 - 8 minutes per game. And Smac is, what - 33? So this 260 lb monster is going to 'work on his foot speed'?

Hello pro scouting dept? Do we have any target players who can chuck knuckles and put in 5 minutes of safe hockey per game? Hello?

Gee, maybe we could sign 'clutch' Torres in the off season? $15M/5 yrs? Arrrggggg!

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#19 Mantastic
June 02 2011, 10:32AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Yeah, I think Stortini is the better player, Jacques the better skater and MacIntyre the better fighter. COMBINING them would be an excellent idea--I wonder if Wanye can do it?

can you imagine the beast with Smac's upper body, JFJ's legs and zorg's head? quite possibly the ugliest/scariest thing on the ice at any time.

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#20 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 02 2011, 10:37AM
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Pajamah wrote:

Smacquintini?

That would be an abomination!

I think it would be amalgamation of the species.

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#21 rindog
June 02 2011, 11:09AM
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@Lowetide

What do you think about a guy like Jay Rosehill?

He seems to be combination of the three players you mentioned.

Plus he has ties to this area...

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#22 Dizzle
June 02 2011, 11:18AM
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We need David Clarkson. The guy is a beast who has scored 20 goals, fights, and is making a little too much money in New Jersey.

Brule and a 3rd round pick for David Clarkson.

Make it happen

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#23 Elaine
June 02 2011, 11:23AM
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Mac is useless. He doesn't dress often enough or get enough minutes to warrant him taking up a spot on the team. We would be better off getting a face-off specialist or a good solid power play quarterback. In todays game your tough guy or "goon" needs to be able to play the game as well as be an inforcer.

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#24 jake
June 02 2011, 11:39AM
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Love it Lowetide. That truck is from Duel, TV movie 1971, Dennis Weaver. I have this on DVD. Spielberg's first or 2nd movie, he referred to it as "Jaws on wheels". Horn sound still creeps me out. Good stuff man, good stuff.

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#25 D-Man
June 02 2011, 11:50AM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

Unfortunately, this type of attitude is quite widespread amongst oilers fans, and simply isn't backed up by the numbers. Think about the following:

1) Despite the fact our roster was weak, there were still lots of games where SMac dressed but sat on the bench the whole game, or only played a couple of minutes. Hard to be intimidating when you are so bad at the actual game that the coach doesn't put you on the ice.

2) The game has changed. No one will fight Smac except for other fighters, like Ivanans. Guys like Ivanans also don't play a lot of minutes, and are never on the ice at the same time as guys like Hall, so they aren't the ones who need to be punished. If Iginla runs Hall, how does beating up Ivanans teach the flames to leave the kids alone? Drew Doughty actually did run Hall, do you expect him to fight Smac? Obviously that isn't going to happen.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) do believe that Smac helps protect the kids, why don't you provide an example of how he did that last year.

You make a valid point... Smac is virtually ineffective if he's on the bench... However, should Mac fully embrace his role, he will be extremely effective. For example, in the situation where Doughty ran Hall... Now as I recall - Penner came flying in after the play and there was a bit of brawl... After the shift settles, Mac is on the ice next shift... Whomever he lines up with - he doesn't 'ask to go' - he just does and pummels that poor sap into oblivion (or the guy turtles to the embarassment of the fans and players watching)...

Sure - in this example, Smac would get a game suspension - but how many more times do you think he'd have to do this before teammates of a Doughty or an Iginla would start questioning whether to hit Hall?

Now I'm being a bit brutish here and if I were Renney I would 'encourage' Smac to do this for only when our elite players are dealt a dirty hit... Clean hitting is part of the game and Hall will need to learn how to protect himself.. But if Smac were not be as polite and played with a bit more of a mean streak, he'd be a great 13th/14th forward on our roster.

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#26 pelhem grenville
June 02 2011, 11:51AM
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jake wrote:

Love it Lowetide. That truck is from Duel, TV movie 1971, Dennis Weaver. I have this on DVD. Spielberg's first or 2nd movie, he referred to it as "Jaws on wheels". Horn sound still creeps me out. Good stuff man, good stuff.

classic movie...well said jake

LT ...did Ivanans ever come to? he never played another game after Smac took him out the first game of the season...

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#27 Blue Blooded
June 02 2011, 12:12PM
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Ummm.... how about Cameron Abney in a few years??

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#28 SurfacetoAirMissile
June 02 2011, 12:12PM
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When I watch hockey games I want Goals, hits and fights.... that is why I love hockey. If not Mac, then get someone else who can crush but I don't think JFJ is enough of a Brute and I am done with Stortini.

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#29 Adam D
June 02 2011, 12:17PM
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SurfacetoAirMissile, when I watch hockey I want wins, and knuckle draggers like SMac, while likable, work against that.

What's wrong with Peckham? Nobody's going to mistake him for Paul Coffey out there, or even Tom Gilbert, but he can actually play the game. What's wrong with him being our "tough guy"?

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#30 SurfacetoAirMissile
June 02 2011, 12:29PM
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@Adam D

I agree Peckham is great (he can be forgiven for getting KO'd in one game) but we need more than just Peckham on our squad. I would be happy if they re-up'd Vandermeer, that would give the Oil a nice 1-2 punch.

I also love winning, however it is probable the Oil won't do much winning again this year so if you can't beat them.... smash them.

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#31 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 02 2011, 12:30PM
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Adam D wrote:

SurfacetoAirMissile, when I watch hockey I want wins, and knuckle draggers like SMac, while likable, work against that.

What's wrong with Peckham? Nobody's going to mistake him for Paul Coffey out there, or even Tom Gilbert, but he can actually play the game. What's wrong with him being our "tough guy"?

I don't think Peckham is any tougher then Stortini.

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#32 Cheesenaka
June 02 2011, 12:33PM
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@D-Man

I agree completely. If he is going to be on this team and going to be an effective deterrent, then he can't simply ask guys to "go". As we saw this last season, almost nobody wants to fight him. When Torres blind-side hits Eberle, SMac needs to go on the next shift against the Sedins and pumble one of them to the ground be-damned the consequences.

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#33 bigrroberto
June 02 2011, 12:37PM
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Adam D wrote:

SurfacetoAirMissile, when I watch hockey I want wins, and knuckle draggers like SMac, while likable, work against that.

What's wrong with Peckham? Nobody's going to mistake him for Paul Coffey out there, or even Tom Gilbert, but he can actually play the game. What's wrong with him being our "tough guy"?

Because, being down a forward on the third or fourth line that doesn't play much anyways is alot easier to deal with then being down 1 defender with a game misconduct or 10 min major etc.

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#34 D-Man
June 02 2011, 12:37PM
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Cheesenaka wrote:

I agree completely. If he is going to be on this team and going to be an effective deterrent, then he can't simply ask guys to "go". As we saw this last season, almost nobody wants to fight him. When Torres blind-side hits Eberle, SMac needs to go on the next shift against the Sedins and pumble one of them to the ground be-damned the consequences.

Exactly... But it doesn't need to be a Sedin sister... If Smac grabbed even a Bieksa - the point is by doing this, other teams will think a bit longer about hitting Eberle... I'd hate to watch one of my teammates get plastered for something I did - I'm sure NHLer's feel the same.

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#35 Pucker
June 02 2011, 01:01PM
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I cheer for smac to get ice time.

I have to agree if he's only going to fight the other team's monsters, he's not a necessity.

I do recall he jumped someone in one game after they hit Magnus. Probably took 2-5 and a game but I think that's worthwhile and effective in the long run. Basically he's got to be a jerk to be effective and the team has to pull up the support to kill these penalties.

That being said, if the coach isn't going to play him, for whatever reason, he might as well be cut loose.

I like him. I want him to be an Oiler. Based on last year, I just don't think they'd miss him if he wasn't around.

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#36 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 02 2011, 01:05PM
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D-Man wrote:

You make a valid point... Smac is virtually ineffective if he's on the bench... However, should Mac fully embrace his role, he will be extremely effective. For example, in the situation where Doughty ran Hall... Now as I recall - Penner came flying in after the play and there was a bit of brawl... After the shift settles, Mac is on the ice next shift... Whomever he lines up with - he doesn't 'ask to go' - he just does and pummels that poor sap into oblivion (or the guy turtles to the embarassment of the fans and players watching)...

Sure - in this example, Smac would get a game suspension - but how many more times do you think he'd have to do this before teammates of a Doughty or an Iginla would start questioning whether to hit Hall?

Now I'm being a bit brutish here and if I were Renney I would 'encourage' Smac to do this for only when our elite players are dealt a dirty hit... Clean hitting is part of the game and Hall will need to learn how to protect himself.. But if Smac were not be as polite and played with a bit more of a mean streak, he'd be a great 13th/14th forward on our roster.

Good in theory, not so good in reality.

Boogard (RIP) played the closest to what people seem to think Mac should play like, yet I bet Gaborik has been hit as much as any other star.

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#37 Dave Lumley
June 02 2011, 01:13PM
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I like Peckham and Vandermeer as a couple of toughs on separate pairings, while we wait for Plante or Teubert to squeeze Jim out.

We all like Smac but I think it is time to say adieu. One Big Tear. And while we are at it, Storts and JF can be on the same train.

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#38 Oilers4ever
June 02 2011, 01:15PM
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Stortini could not fight his way out of a wet paper bag... He might skate better but his role is as an enforcer, not a playmaker. And as an enforcer, he sucks compared to Big Mac. End of Story.

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#39 D-Man
June 02 2011, 01:20PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Good in theory, not so good in reality.

Boogard (RIP) played the closest to what people seem to think Mac should play like, yet I bet Gaborik has been hit as much as any other star.

I said "if" one of our players received a dirty hit.. If Hall or Eberle were dealt clean hits, Smac can't or shouldn't do anything about that... Our kids need to learn how to protect themselves...

I'm sure the Bogeyman would have done something if Gaborik received a slew-foot or a dirty hit from behind... That's where we'd need Mac to punch first and ask questions later... Yes - that would mean a suspension but again - opponents would begin to question whether they should lift that elbow or stick out that knee when hitting one of our core.

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#40 book¡e
June 02 2011, 01:35PM
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Milli wrote:

I sure like Storts, but his days in Etown are done. I hope SMack is back, that guys is scarry! I think Renney likes him and thinks he can develop him. Oh, and poor Ivantis (or whatever his name is) still suffering with concussion sydnrome

Yeah, that fight was awesome. Somehow, I don't remember much else from Smac's season. The last few games he started to rough it up again, but what did he do with the other 75 or so games?

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#41 Randy
June 02 2011, 01:41PM
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Renney may like his tough guys, but no matter what he says actions speak louder than words when it comes to McIntyre. You don't dress a guy and then never give him a shift (not once but twice) at a point in the season when the only good thing that can happen are losses.

If I was MacIntyre I would have my agent leave no stone unturned in every organized league on the planet before I would set myself up for that kind of humiliation again.

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#42 SportsDad
June 02 2011, 01:51PM
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Lowetide, not sure if you have seen this link, but it shows all the shows\movies that the Peterbilt 351 was in :)

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Peterbilt&model=351&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on

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#43 Bank Shot
June 02 2011, 01:55PM
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If I was MacIntyre I would have my agent leave no stone unturned in every organized league on the planet before I would set myself up for that kind of humiliation again.

MacIntyre and his agent are probably both well aware that he has no business being any where near an NHL ice surface when it comes to playing hockey.

MacIntyre should be thrilled if the Oilers or anyone else offer him another half million to fight this season.

I for one would like to see him back, as the Oilers are going to be terrible again, and he should have a few entertaining tilts this season. Would like to see him go up against Scott for one. If he attacks a guy or two like he did to Staubitz, that'd get other teams a little nervous as well.

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#44 HOFFFF
June 02 2011, 02:02PM
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But what cannot be recorded is his time on the bench, yet still doing his job. Just knowing SMac is dressed tames down a few idiots. Sure there were a couple of hits on Hall and Eberle, but how many thought twice of doing something silly because the meanest SOB on skates can hop over the boards at any time. SMac isn't quite as nice as Big George was. SMac will go after somebody who isn't a legit heavyweight. Maybe not a Sedin, but an asshead of some sort.

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#45 justDOit
June 02 2011, 02:13PM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

Unfortunately, this type of attitude is quite widespread amongst oilers fans, and simply isn't backed up by the numbers. Think about the following:

1) Despite the fact our roster was weak, there were still lots of games where SMac dressed but sat on the bench the whole game, or only played a couple of minutes. Hard to be intimidating when you are so bad at the actual game that the coach doesn't put you on the ice.

2) The game has changed. No one will fight Smac except for other fighters, like Ivanans. Guys like Ivanans also don't play a lot of minutes, and are never on the ice at the same time as guys like Hall, so they aren't the ones who need to be punished. If Iginla runs Hall, how does beating up Ivanans teach the flames to leave the kids alone? Drew Doughty actually did run Hall, do you expect him to fight Smac? Obviously that isn't going to happen.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) do believe that Smac helps protect the kids, why don't you provide an example of how he did that last year.

Yes!

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#46 Puritania
June 02 2011, 02:19PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

We need Cal Clutterbuck. End of story.

We need Evgeny Artyukhin. End of stroy.

Watching him manhandle Clutterbuck in the WHC was the silver lining in a craptastic tourney.

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#47 Puritania
June 02 2011, 02:22PM
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MacIntyre was -1 this season.

*This was supposed to be a reply to justDOit, ON seems to hate actually replying when you hit the reply button*

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#48 headmetal
June 02 2011, 02:24PM
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I know it has been said before, but why not Zenon Konopka??

Fights, awesome in faceoffs, UFA making 0.6 mil.

He seems like an Orr type. Only knock is he is 29

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#49 Puritania
June 02 2011, 02:30PM
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@headmetal

Eager Konopka Artyukhin

That line would raise some hell. Cmon Tambi read my thoughts and do it!

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#50 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 02 2011, 02:59PM
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Gilbert Brule: a stand-up guy.

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