RYAN SMYTH BACK IN EDMONTON?

Jason Gregor
June 20 2011 02:35PM

Bob McKenzie just put an interesting twist in draft week regarding the Edmonton Oilers. Today McKenzie wrote that Ryan Smyth would like to return to Edmonton. Read HERE.


Smyth has a cap hit of $6.25 million for next season, but he will only make $4.5 million in actual dollars. Smyth scored 23 goals last year in LA, and while his best days are clearly behind him, his work ethic is still top-notch.

The Oilers need a guy with Smyth's work-your-ass-off-every-shift attitude, but would you take him at that cost?

Taylor Hall and Magnus Paajarvi are the LW of the future in Edmonton, but would a year or two of Smyth as a veteran 3rd liner be a good thing?

Would the Kings take Sheldon Souray in the deal? Or do the Oilers want to keep him? How much can the Kings really ask for? They are giving up a 35-year-old with a high salary who is one year from being an UFA. This deal shouldn't be that hard if the Oilers want to make it.

Normally I'm not a guy who likes bringing back a player for a second tour of duty, because rarely, if ever, are they as good as the first time around, but I can't recall a player publicly saying he wants to return to the place where his career started.

Would you bring him back?

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#151 Quicksilver ballet
June 21 2011, 09:45AM
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paul wodehouse wrote:

For Q ...sorry, Ryan can't come out and play...how 'bout we go out and get a toy and some ice cream...you'll feel better in no time...

Why! why can't he come out and play?

If we pitch in and help him do his chores, could he come out and play then?

The last picture of Ryan Smyth taken in an Oiler jersey, will be one with the Stanley Cup hoisted overhead in 2014-2015.

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#152 D-Man
June 21 2011, 10:12AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty confident the team wont be spending 15+ million on a gritty centerman and a puck moving dman.

Role player? What on earth are you talking about? theirs a decent chance he'd leave our team in scoring next year.

That's well worth 4.5.

I don't think Smytty would lead this team in scoring.. He'll be in the top-5 and will likely score 20; but let's look at our depth chart on the LW... Are you going to put Smytty ahead of Hall or MPS?? One might have Smytty on our 2nd line ahead of MPS - but personally, I would not. He'd be on our 3rd line with 2 PP unit time; this rebuild needs to give ice-time to our young guys - unless they slack and lose the privilege...

The other argument you and I have always had is cap space and $$. You're right that we'll have a ton of cap space - but because we have it doesn't mean we should spend it... You can get two younger players that we need for the $4.5 million you'd pay Smytty... Katz after all is in this to make money and since we've already sold out for three years running and Smytty isn't going to make this team a playoff contender - bringing him in at his price doesn't make economic sense. That's why I'd propose dumping Souray in that trade.

I'm not going to argue the point that Smytty would bring a huge addition to leadership to the team. He would be a great role model for Hall & Co. Right now, his contract goes against the rebuild.. If Smytty truly wants to come here - he's a FA next year and Tambo would be stupid not to sign him - that is, to a one-two year deal at no more that $1.5 to $2.0 million...

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#153 D-Man
June 21 2011, 10:17AM
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bleedingoil wrote:

can anyone tell me why we are concerned with Sourays contract? He is in the AHL, sent on waivers......he has no cap hit to us. We tried to practically give him away (3 times) and nobody picked him up at a steal of a deal. 2.7 mil and not having to give up anything for him. 1) Nobody wants him 2) we tried 3) we wont see Tambo try to push Souray on anyone

Sourays contract doesnt matter to us. We tried to do everything we could to find him a home. Our next step is to pay his salary and let him play for someone else.....wait, nevermind.

It doesn't matter to you or me - as it's not our money... This money is Katz's money... That's why it would and is a concern. He's paying $4.5 million to someone not in the NHL and struggling in the AHL. You're right - he's not a cap concern, but he's still on the books...

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#154 Hemmertime
June 21 2011, 12:00PM
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D-Man wrote:

The cap has gone up - but we'll need to spend more $$ on some of the holes... Gritty centerman that can win draws; tough puck moving d-man - Smytty doesn't fit either of those molds... We do have a ton of cap space - but I don't think Katz will spend $4.5 million (actual dollars) on a role player when he can spend a portion on that for Struds...

You are 110% right though that Smytty would be an excellent addition to helping mentor the kids... If LA takes Souray off our hands - I think that would be a steal of a deal...

Don't forget, Katz is an Oilers fan. He probably has just as big of a soft spot for Smytty as the rest of us. And really, 23 goals 50 pts. 4.5 mil actual dollars is not that big of an overpayment. Hell, for those #'s I'd argue thats about right.

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#155 Hemmertime
June 21 2011, 12:00PM
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D-Man wrote:

The cap has gone up - but we'll need to spend more $$ on some of the holes... Gritty centerman that can win draws; tough puck moving d-man - Smytty doesn't fit either of those molds... We do have a ton of cap space - but I don't think Katz will spend $4.5 million (actual dollars) on a role player when he can spend a portion on that for Struds...

You are 110% right though that Smytty would be an excellent addition to helping mentor the kids... If LA takes Souray off our hands - I think that would be a steal of a deal...

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#156 D-Man
June 21 2011, 12:56PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Don't forget, Katz is an Oilers fan. He probably has just as big of a soft spot for Smytty as the rest of us. And really, 23 goals 50 pts. 4.5 mil actual dollars is not that big of an overpayment. Hell, for those #'s I'd argue thats about right.

He might have a soft spot in his heart; but not in his head... He didn't become a billionaire by making decisions with his heart.

I'm not so sure Smytty is going to be a 50 point guy on this team either. LA has a significantly better roster. Although I do see him scoring between 15 to 20 goals; I think expecting 40 points from him here might be a stretch. $4.5 million then becomes an overpayment... If he were being paid $2.5 million - I'd say, "make it so"...

Then again Smytty becomes an UFA next year.. Hopefully, he'll still want to come here at a much more reasonable price.

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#157 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 21 2011, 12:59PM
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D-Man wrote:

I don't think Smytty would lead this team in scoring.. He'll be in the top-5 and will likely score 20; but let's look at our depth chart on the LW... Are you going to put Smytty ahead of Hall or MPS?? One might have Smytty on our 2nd line ahead of MPS - but personally, I would not. He'd be on our 3rd line with 2 PP unit time; this rebuild needs to give ice-time to our young guys - unless they slack and lose the privilege...

The other argument you and I have always had is cap space and $$. You're right that we'll have a ton of cap space - but because we have it doesn't mean we should spend it... You can get two younger players that we need for the $4.5 million you'd pay Smytty... Katz after all is in this to make money and since we've already sold out for three years running and Smytty isn't going to make this team a playoff contender - bringing him in at his price doesn't make economic sense. That's why I'd propose dumping Souray in that trade.

I'm not going to argue the point that Smytty would bring a huge addition to leadership to the team. He would be a great role model for Hall & Co. Right now, his contract goes against the rebuild.. If Smytty truly wants to come here - he's a FA next year and Tambo would be stupid not to sign him - that is, to a one-two year deal at no more that $1.5 to $2.0 million...

Sorry but 4.5 million for his production is a decent deal.

You know what the funniest part of your stance is?

You are so worried about Katz saving money yet you completly disregard the fan base getting value for it's dollar spent.

We are paying premium prices for horendous product, if the team is going to charge premium prices it should also be spending premium amounts to try and satisfy the customer.

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#158 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 21 2011, 01:01PM
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D-Man wrote:

He might have a soft spot in his heart; but not in his head... He didn't become a billionaire by making decisions with his heart.

I'm not so sure Smytty is going to be a 50 point guy on this team either. LA has a significantly better roster. Although I do see him scoring between 15 to 20 goals; I think expecting 40 points from him here might be a stretch. $4.5 million then becomes an overpayment... If he were being paid $2.5 million - I'd say, "make it so"...

Then again Smytty becomes an UFA next year.. Hopefully, he'll still want to come here at a much more reasonable price.

The only logical explination to your infatuation with Katz's bank account is that you are a hier to his estate.

Every dollar he spends must directly remove a dollar from your pocket book.

Theirs no other reason a rational human being would fight touth and nail day and day out to save the man money (and in lockstep have the team ice an inferior product...at premium prices).

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#159 D-Man
June 21 2011, 03:41PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Sorry but 4.5 million for his production is a decent deal.

You know what the funniest part of your stance is?

You are so worried about Katz saving money yet you completly disregard the fan base getting value for it's dollar spent.

We are paying premium prices for horendous product, if the team is going to charge premium prices it should also be spending premium amounts to try and satisfy the customer.

Unlike you - I'd like to think I take a more realistic approach to how Katz/Tambo would think.. As I recall, you also thought taking Chris Drury's contract was a good idea...

You are right though - we are paying a premium price for a substandard product... But the fact of the matter is, we continue to pay... I can't foresee empty seats in Rexall any time soon... When they see empty seats, they would definitely have to react; but since they won't - pure economics gives them the luxury of a bit more time...

Tambo/Katz and co. are trying to improve the product to be a bit more sustaining.. They obviously want to build a team that will win a cup without running into cap problems and having to 'fire-sell' assets... That takes time.. Getting a Ryan Smyth or an over-priced player might make this season slightly more entertaining - true... But that's also an extremely narrow-sighted, short term decision... When it comes to FA's, we need to stick to our current plan - bring in younger, talented FA's with realistic contracts that in turn, improve the team..

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#160 D-Man
June 21 2011, 03:50PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The only logical explination to your infatuation with Katz's bank account is that you are a hier to his estate.

Every dollar he spends must directly remove a dollar from your pocket book.

Theirs no other reason a rational human being would fight touth and nail day and day out to save the man money (and in lockstep have the team ice an inferior product...at premium prices).

Again - reality... Katz is a business man to make money... There's no rational human being that would fight touth and nail to spend, spend, spend with the end result - not winning a Stanley Cup..

Your biggest problem is that you want to win now, and screw the future... Don't get me wrong - I want our on-ice product to win more than 25 games this season, but not at the cost of our longer term vision...

We have a ton of cap space because we've avoided overpriced FA's... When our core gets better (and it will), then we can add the odd piece here or there... If you listen to Gregor - he's figures that we're about 6 to 8 players away from being a Cup contending team... We're not going to get all of those answers on the market... We're going to get these answers via the draft... Tambo gave the Magnificient Bastard enough bullets last year and this year - and now we have a top-three to top-five AHL product... If we continue to score on our picks - we'll also have a playoff team in two years (2012-2013)... Progression continues and we'll be shaking hands on Whyte Ave celebrating a Cup win in another two... Over-paying FA's doesn't accomplish this unless that FA's is the final piece - not one of eight...

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#161 SMITTY!
June 21 2011, 04:20PM
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For the offensive production he will bring to the Oil he will without a doubt be overpayed. However, you just don't see players with this kind of work ethic anymore, and his dedication to both the sport of hockey and Edmonton is second to none. Even if he gets 0 points I would trade for him because he will be a great influence on all our young players, and show them what it means to be an Edmonton Oiler!

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#162 Truth
June 21 2011, 04:41PM
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Not going to lie, haven't read any of the previous pages, but to complain that Smyth is too much money for not enough production...how about Souray. He got paid to play for an AHL team with no affiliation with the Oilers.

Also, he is the Oilers. A living, breathing, example of what every player on the Oilers should replicate. He doesnt score 50 goals and 120 points but he works like a dog to get every single one of the 20some he puts up and is proud of every single one of them. I'll take his 25 goals over Semin's 35 anyday. How do you put a price tag on that?

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#163 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 21 2011, 07:50PM
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D-Man wrote:

Unlike you - I'd like to think I take a more realistic approach to how Katz/Tambo would think.. As I recall, you also thought taking Chris Drury's contract was a good idea...

You are right though - we are paying a premium price for a substandard product... But the fact of the matter is, we continue to pay... I can't foresee empty seats in Rexall any time soon... When they see empty seats, they would definitely have to react; but since they won't - pure economics gives them the luxury of a bit more time...

Tambo/Katz and co. are trying to improve the product to be a bit more sustaining.. They obviously want to build a team that will win a cup without running into cap problems and having to 'fire-sell' assets... That takes time.. Getting a Ryan Smyth or an over-priced player might make this season slightly more entertaining - true... But that's also an extremely narrow-sighted, short term decision... When it comes to FA's, we need to stick to our current plan - bring in younger, talented FA's with realistic contracts that in turn, improve the team..

Hold on a second here, you think you are the one with the realistic approach here?

Theirs only a handful of teams that run around looking to skimp out on player salary and that's because they are flat broke.

I also don't know why you can't grasp how this doesn't worsen our long term future, please read this carefully: Their is no long term ill effect to bring in vetrans on short contracts, hell their probably isn't even any long term negative effect bringing them in on longer contracts because the cap is on a consistant upward trajectory.

Finally, 4.5 million isn't overpriced. You clearly have absolutly no clue what it costs to have NHL caliber players in your line up.

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#164 D-Man
June 22 2011, 08:13AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Hold on a second here, you think you are the one with the realistic approach here?

Theirs only a handful of teams that run around looking to skimp out on player salary and that's because they are flat broke.

I also don't know why you can't grasp how this doesn't worsen our long term future, please read this carefully: Their is no long term ill effect to bring in vetrans on short contracts, hell their probably isn't even any long term negative effect bringing them in on longer contracts because the cap is on a consistant upward trajectory.

Finally, 4.5 million isn't overpriced. You clearly have absolutly no clue what it costs to have NHL caliber players in your line up.

And you clearly have no concept of the value of a dollar... $4.5 million for an aging veteran is overpriced... Smytty would improve this team - there's no doubt about that. Granted - the improvement would be quite marginal, but an improvement nevertheless.

Think about the rest of the guys in the dressing room... I'm a Taylor Hall or Jordan Eberle - do you think when I come to the last year of my ELC, my agent isn't going to look at who on my team is making what?? Now, of course, that's another two years away, but if I'm bringing in better results than the guy who's making $4.5 million - what do you think I'm going to ask for in the next contract. Your philosophy has opened a gate where I'm going to ask for more than I'm worth (and I probably would anyway - nature of the beast)... We don't have cap issues now - but by bringing in the overpriced veteran (who's not worth his contract or cap hit) - we're setting a precedent. We're saying we're an organization that's not afraid to overspend rather than invest in smart contracts. Smart contracts (which you apparently cannot comprend) would be a Laich at a three year, $3.0 to $3.5 million/year and/or a Konopka - two/three year deal at $1.5 million... You're bringing in young players at reasonable prices... I've already improved my team and got two players at the same price as Smytty..

The other piece you seem to forget is the fact that we could get Smytty next year for significantly less.. He's a UFA... I'd welcome him back next year for $2.0 million.. He brings a lot of intangibles that we don't have...

Finally, your opinions never seem to have any support... You're always assuming your opinion is more correct. Add validity to your contracts with a bit more support, please... As I recall, there are roughly 10 teams in the NHL (not the handful you suggest that either aren't making any money regardless of the cap)... Each team hires a "capologist" to ensure maximization of cap dollars spent versus NHL talent.

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#165 ArrDub
June 22 2011, 10:35AM
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It's been said before but Smytty would be the perfect leader for the young guys. Make him captain. Put him on the 1st or 2nd line this year and gradually bump him back to a depth role over the next few years. Look at Mark Recchi's contributions in the final. That could be us in 3 years. Also, obviously cap space is not an issue but if you're concerned about Katz's money, if he comes back I'm sure they will sell almost as many Smyth jerseys as they will Hall or Eberle this year.

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