Rumors

Lowetide
June 21 2011 07:49AM

It's only Tuesday, but the rumors are flooding in. Last night, the Ryan Smyth story broke and frankly has to be the best headline for Oiler fans in years involving an established player. Today? The exit list.

First of all, it's best not to talk about the players who have little or no value. Nikolai Khabibulin, Sheldon Souray and others have issues that lower their trade value. Last season as an example, many Oiler fans thought ST could trade some overpriced and underachieving veteran for value; in fact, prospect Riley Nash was cashed in for a pick in the top 50 but the veterans were either bought out, traded for an impending buyout or hung around for another season of mediocrity in Edmonton, OKC or Hershey.

According to a story by Michael Russo, there are a few Oilers in play.

  • Ales Hemsky: Veteran will enter the final year of his contract in the fall and it is unknown if he'll re-sign. Columbus has a pick in the top 8 and Scott Howson would be very familiar with 83. I suspect this trade would only happen if the right player is available at the time of choosing.
  • Tom Gilbert: There's always a need for veteran defensemen with a nice range of skills. Gilbert is a finesse defender who can move the puck well, has mobility and is a very good shot blocker. NJD and Detroit might be teams interested in Gilbert.
  • Andrew Cogliano: I  think Toronto will be very interested in Cogs, and with #25 and #30 that might be stronger currency for other NHL teams. I'd be a little surprised if Cogliano leaves, as coach Renney seemed to be growing him into a 2-way player (or trying like hell to, anyway) and at least on the surface there seemed to be progress.
  • Sam Gagner: I am a little surprised to see Gagner's name here, the Oilers have a solid young center and they don't grow on trees. However, with RNH likely in the fold Friday night the organization may feel they can afford to send him away.

Personally, I'd like to see the Oilers add Ryan Smyth today and a veteran center like Brooks Laich on July 1. The top 14 forwards might look like this (C-L-R):

  • Horcoff-Hall-Eberle
  • Gagner-Smyth-Hemsky
  • Laich-MP-Omark
  • Cogliano-Hartikainen-Jones
  • Brule-Fraser

Defense is still a major issue, and Super Bowl Sunday is a big one too, but there's a veteran on every line and some of these kids are really good.

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#1 DBO
June 21 2011, 07:56AM
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What would it take to sign Laich? Would love to see him here. I wonder if a guy like Belanger, who is older but still solid two ways and is nice fit and may be looking for a 2 yr deal, may be a solid fall back option.

The lineup you put up is solid, and if the Oil make a smart play trade wise for one of Carle or Coburn from the Flyers our D is way better, we suddenly have a team close to playoff contention based on the progression of Dubnyk and even a small improvement from Bulin. Not saying we are a contender, but we are a lot closer, and a few vets allow us to wait and not rush the AHL kids.

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#2 John Chambers
June 21 2011, 08:11AM
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Buy out or bury Khabibulin. Send #19 to Washington for Braden Holtby.

The Kings might've asked Smyth if he wanted to leave to free up salary to enable them to go after FA's. Smyth's response would've probably been - I'll entertain going to E-town only, leaving Dean Lombardi holding the bag b/c they might've had another deal worked out to send him somewhere mundane like Columbus. That's how I read it, anyway.

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#3 Archaeologuy
June 21 2011, 08:11AM
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I see the end of the road coming for Cogliano before I see it for Gagner, if only because Gagner seems more comfortable with moving to a wing if need be.

But I dont think any of those names need to be moved to get the lineup you proposed, which notably is missing RNH.

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#4 pondering oil
June 21 2011, 08:13AM
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The addition of Brooks Laich would be good for the Oil. I was pondering that last night at work. If Couturier is still available at 8th I would consider making the trade for that pick with Columbus or a couple spots higher with one of those teams. I don't believe RNH will be ready this year and Couts might just be with his extra size. Willing to trade Gagner and maybe Chorney or a package similar to it for the pick.

Lineup would be: Horc-Hemmer-MPS Couts-Hall-Eberle Laich-Omark-Brule Cogliano-Jones-Hartikainen

Consider this, there are two other UFAs that might fit in nicely if ST is serious about trying to make playoffs this year. Leino and Joel Ward. Would be a heck of a third line and take pressure off the kids. Wait and sign Smyth in the offseason as a UFA.

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#5 Henry
June 21 2011, 08:21AM
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Hemsky for a first puts the Oilers in the lottery again next year. Would like to see Laich here on a three year deal that can be traded after two.

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#6 madjam
June 21 2011, 08:31AM
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Are Laich and/or Smyth enough of an upgrade(s) to justify the sort of price tag that might come with one or both of them added to roster ? Upgrade on backend shoud be a more prevalent goal for this season ! This sesaons premier draft picks seem rather slim compare to most other years- even top 5.

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#7 freeze
June 21 2011, 08:32AM
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I think the Smyth thing is a management leak. They'd love to use his money to get Richards. And I'm ok with that. Give them a late second round pick or a 3rd.

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With the rise of the cap, Gilbert's salary probably doesn't look as bad as it once did.

Interesting that Ryan Malone is being shopped. I have to think a team that doesn't want to spend money, but needs a cap hit is looking at him.

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madjam wrote:

Are Laich and/or Smyth enough of an upgrade(s) to justify the sort of price tag that might come with one or both of them added to roster ? Upgrade on backend shoud be a more prevalent goal for this season ! This sesaons premier draft picks seem rather slim compare to most other years- even top 5.

While I agree our backend needs work, we have plenty of money and plenty of holes. Just because we need d it doesn't mean we shouldn't offer Laich a contract.

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#10 Rick
June 21 2011, 08:38AM
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The only name on the list that makes sense to move in a draft day deal is Cogliano and somehow he seems to be the safest of the bunch - atleast how Lowetide presents it.

Is it possible that this team actually comes out of the draft with less contributing NHLers on the roster than they already have?

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#11 OhCanada
June 21 2011, 08:41AM
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Would the oilers and devils consider the following?

Rolston NJ 1st

for

Tom Gilbert

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OhCanada wrote:

Would the oilers and devils consider the following?

Rolston NJ 1st

for

Tom Gilbert

Edmonton does, but doubtful NJ does.

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#13 Woodguy
June 21 2011, 08:46AM
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I hope the Konopka rumors are wrong.

NYI had a decent PK last year (something like 12th in the league)

NYI 4v5 Forwards 40gp+, 1min/60+ 4v5:

Goal Against On ice per minutes of ice time:

Grabner 3.61

Bailey 4.78

Comeau 4.90

Nielsen 5.44

Konopka 10.60

One of these things is not like the other.....

If you look at the game sheet from the last 20 games he didn't PK, they took him off the PK at some point.

Here are some 5v5 stats

CorQC 8/10

CorQT 10/10

RelCor 10/10 (-23.5, 2nd worst on team was Matt Martin -18.1, 3rd Jesse Joensuu -7.6)

So he played the easiest competition with poor help and got absolutely killed. He may have been the worst player in the NHL to take a regular shift.

If Stortini could take a draw he'd be a huge upgrade on Konopka.

Wouldn't it be just like the Oilers to say "We need a face off man!!", the go get the worst hockey player possible?

Konopka is 30 and hasn't played 3 full seasons in the NHL.

Career AHLer and not a very good one.

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Rick wrote:

The only name on the list that makes sense to move in a draft day deal is Cogliano and somehow he seems to be the safest of the bunch - atleast how Lowetide presents it.

Is it possible that this team actually comes out of the draft with less contributing NHLers on the roster than they already have?

Well it could happen, but hopefully people realize that the 7 days after the draft there is a thing call free agency and after that there is the time period where teams that didn't win on free agency are looking to make deals.

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#15 Archaeologuy
June 21 2011, 09:11AM
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@Woodguy

Interesting

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#16 Quicksilver ballet
June 21 2011, 09:13AM
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Gilbert to Detroit seems like a possibilty, not sure i'd take either of those two dudes back though, maybe a second rounder. Gilbert and the 8th for Gudbranson.

Ryan Malone, he's interesting, the quest for Richards is probably down to a 3 horse race now with the Lightning being one of the favorites.

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#17 justDOit
June 21 2011, 09:15AM
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Ryan Smyth? Really? Did his agent tell him that he'd make more money in Edm?

I say we forge ahead with the plan, and let cryin Ryan wander the league for a few years. Give that roster spot to Lander, a GOOD UFA like Laich, or Hartikk - you know, that guy.

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#18 Smytty777
June 21 2011, 09:16AM
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@Woodguy

You don't mention that Konopka has the worst PKSV% (819!) and had the toughest zonestarts by far of any forward on NYI.

Those seem like pretty critical bits of information when looking at RelCorsi and PK GAON/60.

Have you looked at what happens when you account for those factors?

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#19 OilFan
June 21 2011, 09:21AM
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Trade Sam "Wellwood" and get a real center. You know one that wins faceoffs and scores points. I've already stated that they should trade the First pick in the 2012 draft for Carter in Philly (though it wouldn't suprise me if it was for Anson).With all the talk about washed up over paid hockey players coming back.

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#20 Archaeologuy
June 21 2011, 09:28AM
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@OilFan

You are aware that Sam Gagner scores more points than every other C on the team right? I have no argument with the faceoff complaint (how could I?), but the Wellwood comparisons arent even close to accurate.

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#21 Rick
June 21 2011, 09:31AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Well it could happen, but hopefully people realize that the 7 days after the draft there is a thing call free agency and after that there is the time period where teams that didn't win on free agency are looking to make deals.

I would feel better about that thing called free agency if Tambellini had a successful track record in using it...or even trading for that matter.

But he doesn't...and it scares me that going into next season this team could actually end up being worse than it was going into last year.

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#22 Pisani's Irish Cousin
June 21 2011, 09:38AM
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If we can aquire Smyth I would hope we don't deal Hemsky. The chemestry there is already awesome. A possible look at the line up in 2014:

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle Paarjavi - Lander - Ganger Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky Hamilton - Pitlick - Hartikainen

Sweet jesus that looks yummy. No mention of any other new picks in there either. Imagine Mark Scheifele or Nicklas Jensen trying to break into that older group. Or if I dream maybe Sven Bartschi or Joel Armia or even Mark McNeill!

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#23 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 21 2011, 09:39AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

You are aware that Sam Gagner scores more points than every other C on the team right? I have no argument with the faceoff complaint (how could I?), but the Wellwood comparisons arent even close to accurate.

Not to mention 2nd highest P/60 at evens on the team.

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#24 Archaeologuy
June 21 2011, 09:43AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

I get why people want more, it's natural, but a guy that was drafted right behind him is just now contending for a Calder trophy as rookie of the year, and Gagner has spent 4 seasons as a full time NHLer.

He's the best scoring centre on the team and easily one of the most productive players from his draft year. He's cheap and will be an Oiler for 3-4 more years before a UFA.

Why are we wanting him gone again?

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#25 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 21 2011, 09:47AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I get why people want more, it's natural, but a guy that was drafted right behind him is just now contending for a Calder trophy as rookie of the year, and Gagner has spent 4 seasons as a full time NHLer.

He's the best scoring centre on the team and easily one of the most productive players from his draft year. He's cheap and will be an Oiler for 3-4 more years before a UFA.

Why are we wanting him gone again?

Infatuation with size and speed.

lots value tools over results.

Those are the guys that end up with the Chad Kilger rather then Luc Robitaille.

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#26 Professor
June 21 2011, 09:52AM
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@ Archaeologuy

I don't think anyone really wants Gagner gone (at least no one intelligent does). I think it's more with Horcoff here for the next few years and it's likely that we are going to draft RNH so Gagner becomes expendable. I think all the reasons you stated above show that he is desireable for other teams as well and if the return is someone to fill a place of need (such as Bogosian) I think we need to make that trade. We certainly don't give him away for nothing though.

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#27 Oilcruzer
June 21 2011, 09:59AM
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The more we discuss the possibility of trades, it seems like no stone is unturned, so whatever is announced turns "Rumours" into "Second Hand News"  

The fans "Dreams" of the return of Smytty are refreshing. Perhaps this can dispel the myth of players saying they are "Never Going Back Again"  

"Don't Stop" Smytty, with your tenure and the needs of LA and The Oil, we all pray you can "Go Your Own Way". Heck, we have a "Songbird" singing Kumbaya.

See, playing the game with the Oil is mysteriously being compared to being sent to "The Chain" gang, based on a couple of rotten egg players who were better off living their own, misguided, selfish lives.

Guys like Smyttie, well they make fans wanna cry out that "You Make Loving (the Oil) Fun" again and "I Don't Want to Know" about any of these inglorious bustards who say otherwise.

Whoever the Oil bring in, they gotta make sure they are well grounded with strong morals... Someone just like Smyttie. Last thing we need is some squeals of "Oh Daddy" from another home wrecking "Gold Dust Woman" bar fly, otherwise it'll be 2007 all over again.

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#28 Mitch
June 21 2011, 10:02AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I get why people want more, it's natural, but a guy that was drafted right behind him is just now contending for a Calder trophy as rookie of the year, and Gagner has spent 4 seasons as a full time NHLer.

He's the best scoring centre on the team and easily one of the most productive players from his draft year. He's cheap and will be an Oiler for 3-4 more years before a UFA.

Why are we wanting him gone again?

I would move Gagner because the way the game has to be played today. Gagner is not fast or quick, he's small they can list players at what ever they like Gagner is smaller than listed and gets knocked off the puck easily down low in the offensive and dzone. I would argue that he has made very little progress since being a rookie. We are 30th place for a reason even sticken him on the wing doesn't make the player more attractive, or better. If you want to win this group has to be taken in a differnt directon. There is just as much skill level coming in with other prospects that are bigger faster and stronger that will put up same amount of points. I could be wrong no doubt, but we are 30th for a reason...way to small a lineup in the top 6 and something must give.

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#29 TigerUnderGlass
June 21 2011, 10:17AM
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Professor wrote:

@ Archaeologuy

I don't think anyone really wants Gagner gone (at least no one intelligent does). I think it's more with Horcoff here for the next few years and it's likely that we are going to draft RNH so Gagner becomes expendable. I think all the reasons you stated above show that he is desireable for other teams as well and if the return is someone to fill a place of need (such as Bogosian) I think we need to make that trade. We certainly don't give him away for nothing though.

The question is why is he the one now expendable rather than those lower on the depth chart than him such as Cogliano? Everyone hones in on Gagner as though he is a major problem when there are lesser players to move out first.

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#30 GSP
June 21 2011, 10:23AM
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While doing my mundane workout on the treadmill this morning I was thinking of possible trades and came up with a couple. What about Sam to Toronto for Luke Schenn?? Maybe throw in a 3rd rounder if need be?

Or maybe something like Sam to Winnipeg for Bogosian and our 31st?

Just something to throw around..I also like Cogs to Toronto for either their 25 or 30 pick.

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#31 Petr's Jofa
June 21 2011, 10:27AM
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Two questions from a Albertan stuck on an island in the North Atlantic.

1) Any news on Khabby's court case? When is the appeal supposed to take place? When will he serve his sentence? I thought we all speculated that he made the appeal to to delay his incarceration so he could serve his time in the offseason.

2) Any rumour about what type of money and term Hemsky is looking for? My dream is to have him sign a reasonable contact that could serve as a benchmark for the future Hall, Eberle, RNH contacts...Once the youth establishes themselves in the NHL, I would love to see these players take slightly less so that they can stay together and win. This Hemsky contact could serve as the precident(I know I'm dreaming).

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#32 T.C.
June 21 2011, 10:38AM
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I'm not sure what moves to suggest.I just hope at the end of friday pierre meguire and bob mckenzie are both saying the oilers made fantastic moves to help the line up.

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#33 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 21 2011, 10:39AM
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Mitch wrote:

I would move Gagner because the way the game has to be played today. Gagner is not fast or quick, he's small they can list players at what ever they like Gagner is smaller than listed and gets knocked off the puck easily down low in the offensive and dzone. I would argue that he has made very little progress since being a rookie. We are 30th place for a reason even sticken him on the wing doesn't make the player more attractive, or better. If you want to win this group has to be taken in a differnt directon. There is just as much skill level coming in with other prospects that are bigger faster and stronger that will put up same amount of points. I could be wrong no doubt, but we are 30th for a reason...way to small a lineup in the top 6 and something must give.

It really doens't matter who gets knocked down the most.

What matters is who can be part of a group that outscores the opposition more often then not.

Gagner appears to have enough offense to be a member of a 5 man group that can accomplish that.

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#34 Woodguy
June 21 2011, 10:41AM
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Smytty777 wrote:

You don't mention that Konopka has the worst PKSV% (819!) and had the toughest zonestarts by far of any forward on NYI.

Those seem like pretty critical bits of information when looking at RelCorsi and PK GAON/60.

Have you looked at what happens when you account for those factors?

Smytty777,

Good points, both of those are important and certainly impact those numbers.

PKSV%

Graber .915 Bailey .908 Nielsen .898 Bomeau .892 Konopka .819

Certainly the PKSV% contributed to his massive GAON/60, but not nearly enough to account for it being double as far as quick math tells me.

Zonestarts

Konopka had one of the toughest zone starts in the league and that will certainly hurt his RelCor, but again its not the whole story.

He also had a +/-/60 of -1.31, one of the worst in the league.

Also remember he is playing against he worst players on the other team.

Maholtra (who obviously is 10x the player Konopka is) had the single toughest zone start in the league (25%), but still managed a +0.61/60 against the toughest competitors VAN faced.

Konopka's dismal numbers while playing 4th line minutes states clearly that he is an AHLer at best.

TBY gave him a spin for a year and let him go. NYI gave him a spin for a year and let him go.

EDM shouldn't go near him.

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#35 Souby
June 21 2011, 10:43AM
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T.C. wrote:

I'm not sure what moves to suggest.I just hope at the end of friday pierre meguire and bob mckenzie are both saying the oilers made fantastic moves to help the line up.

I second that!

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#36 Archaeologuy
June 21 2011, 10:52AM
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@Mitch

When those big younger players with skill come in and eat up Gagner's time and out-produce him then he's expendable. Then he is out of the top 9 and no longer needed.

However, none of those players have come along and done that yet. Also, even if RNH is added, how long do you think we can count on Horcoff to provide top 6 offense? 2 years? Is that even reasonable? I dont know.

When Fraser and Cogliano have either surpassed Gagner or have already been pushed off the roster, then and only then will new players have pushed Gagner out of a spot.

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#37 K-UGER Industrial Smoothing
June 21 2011, 11:00AM
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John Chambers wrote:

Buy out or bury Khabibulin. Send #19 to Washington for Braden Holtby.

The Kings might've asked Smyth if he wanted to leave to free up salary to enable them to go after FA's. Smyth's response would've probably been - I'll entertain going to E-town only, leaving Dean Lombardi holding the bag b/c they might've had another deal worked out to send him somewhere mundane like Columbus. That's how I read it, anyway.

two things:

1) cant buy out khabi, hes over 35 2) holty for 19 would never happen in a million years. hes going to be a goalie in the league for 10+ years

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#38 VMR
June 21 2011, 11:02AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

The question is why is he the one now expendable rather than those lower on the depth chart than him such as Cogliano? Everyone hones in on Gagner as though he is a major problem when there are lesser players to move out first.

A Gagner trade makes sense if we're getting something better back. You have to give up something decent to get something back and trading Brule and Cogliano wont do it. So if you can find the right deal then you do it. Bogosian isnt that deal, to me he hasnt proven anything he's a lesser talent than Gagner.

A good deal would be something like Gagner plus for Carter. I dont think that happens but something like that would make sense.

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#39 Ender
June 21 2011, 11:27AM
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@Petr's Jofa

re: Khabi's court case

The silence is deafening. Back last August when ol' St. Nik was sentenced, the plan that was discussed was that he would appeal the decision, allowing him travel across the border and to (hopefully) play out the 2010-11 season. The only possible fly in the ointment was if Khabi's appeal got called early in which case he'd have had to leave the Oilers at that time and live or die by whatever decision was rendered then. Since the appeal was never called though (and they kind of guessed it wouldn't be) that gave Khabby the option to now drop the appeal and serve his 30 days in the off-season.

The fact that there's been no mention of him actually doing that means one of two things; A) the plan has changed, though I have no idea what it might be for sure (some suggestions of pushing for a re-trial a few months back in February), or B) They're waiting for the time when the public is most distracted (the draft, perhaps?) and then going to quietly sneak him off to serve the sentence with the minimum fanfare that can possibly be achieved. I'm guessing it's option B.

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#40 Pajamah
June 21 2011, 11:31AM
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@VMR

woops, wrong reply

@VMR

Holtby might actually be available. It all depends on if Varlamov - KHL rumors are just leverage to get a contract in place in Washington. If the Capitals sign Varlamov, and still have Neuvirth, Holtby becomes the best 3rd string goalie in the NHL (wow, there's some praise)

If 19 can get the Capitals a Jamie Oleksiak, or Morrow, or someone who may slip that they are interested in, why wouldnt they make the deal.

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#41 Brodie
June 21 2011, 11:32AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

The more we discuss the possibility of trades, it seems like no stone is unturned, so whatever is announced turns "Rumours" into "Second Hand News"  

The fans "Dreams" of the return of Smytty are refreshing. Perhaps this can dispel the myth of players saying they are "Never Going Back Again"  

"Don't Stop" Smytty, with your tenure and the needs of LA and The Oil, we all pray you can "Go Your Own Way". Heck, we have a "Songbird" singing Kumbaya.

See, playing the game with the Oil is mysteriously being compared to being sent to "The Chain" gang, based on a couple of rotten egg players who were better off living their own, misguided, selfish lives.

Guys like Smyttie, well they make fans wanna cry out that "You Make Loving (the Oil) Fun" again and "I Don't Want to Know" about any of these inglorious bustards who say otherwise.

Whoever the Oil bring in, they gotta make sure they are well grounded with strong morals... Someone just like Smyttie. Last thing we need is some squeals of "Oh Daddy" from another home wrecking "Gold Dust Woman" bar fly, otherwise it'll be 2007 all over again.

I Second That Emotion.

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#42 Pajamah
June 21 2011, 11:32AM
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edit : double woops, that comment was for d-fresh

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#43 Woodguy
June 21 2011, 11:35AM
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@Archaeologuy

Agreed on all points.

Its like having a team of sled dogs.

You may get a great puppy who had lead dog material, but you can't get rid of any of your current team until the puppy is ready to pull, and when he is, he won't start in the lead.

Gagner is just getting to the point where he should pull near the front (he will turn 22 in August)

Vancouver's best 3 players when they were 21:

D. Sedin 79gp 9g 23a 31pts

H. Sedin 82gp 16g 20a 36pts

R. Kesler 82gp 10g 12a 23pts

S. Gagner 68gp 15g 27a 42pts

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#44 TigerUnderGlass
June 21 2011, 11:40AM
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VMR wrote:

A Gagner trade makes sense if we're getting something better back. You have to give up something decent to get something back and trading Brule and Cogliano wont do it. So if you can find the right deal then you do it. Bogosian isnt that deal, to me he hasnt proven anything he's a lesser talent than Gagner.

A good deal would be something like Gagner plus for Carter. I dont think that happens but something like that would make sense.

I don't have a problem with the idea of moving Gagner for value. I just disgree with the idea that he is the weak link that needs to be shipped out ASAP or that he is expendable.

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#45 Archaeologuy
June 21 2011, 11:41AM
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Woodguy wrote:

Agreed on all points.

Its like having a team of sled dogs.

You may get a great puppy who had lead dog material, but you can't get rid of any of your current team until the puppy is ready to pull, and when he is, he won't start in the lead.

Gagner is just getting to the point where he should pull near the front (he will turn 22 in August)

Vancouver's best 3 players when they were 21:

D. Sedin 79gp 9g 23a 31pts

H. Sedin 82gp 16g 20a 36pts

R. Kesler 82gp 10g 12a 23pts

S. Gagner 68gp 15g 27a 42pts

This needs to be repeated for obvious reasons.

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#46 Dman09
June 21 2011, 11:45AM
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I agree there is no way I would get rid of Gags unless one of two things happens. A trade offer where the return is too good to pass up i.e. Bogosian. Second other centers like Fraser and Cogs, yes cogs improved his defense last year but hardly any offense and the defense still wasn't that great, are both gone and we have other more skilled players looking to take his spot on the roster. Say we somehow managed to get RNH and Couturier. Then ya that might happen.

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#47 Petr's Jofa
June 21 2011, 11:52AM
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Ender wrote:

re: Khabi's court case

The silence is deafening. Back last August when ol' St. Nik was sentenced, the plan that was discussed was that he would appeal the decision, allowing him travel across the border and to (hopefully) play out the 2010-11 season. The only possible fly in the ointment was if Khabi's appeal got called early in which case he'd have had to leave the Oilers at that time and live or die by whatever decision was rendered then. Since the appeal was never called though (and they kind of guessed it wouldn't be) that gave Khabby the option to now drop the appeal and serve his 30 days in the off-season.

The fact that there's been no mention of him actually doing that means one of two things; A) the plan has changed, though I have no idea what it might be for sure (some suggestions of pushing for a re-trial a few months back in February), or B) They're waiting for the time when the public is most distracted (the draft, perhaps?) and then going to quietly sneak him off to serve the sentence with the minimum fanfare that can possibly be achieved. I'm guessing it's option B.

Thank you sir.

You've summed it up quite nicely. I just figured that I may have missed something.

New Question: Did Tambo say anything interesting at his press conference?

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#48 raceguy
June 21 2011, 11:54AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

This needs to be repeated for obvious reasons.

imo this is the big year for Gagner.His offensive #'s have been more then adequate. And finally there is some consistency in coaching,systems etc. that were not there before.(Renney was the 3rd coach in Gagner's 4 years) He has to improve defensively and on faceoffs.If he does he is a keeper,if he doesn't then he becomes expendable.I believe this is his make or break year.

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#49 Quicksilver ballet
June 21 2011, 11:59AM
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People aren't wanting to move Gagner for the sake of moving him, everyone wants to see him thrive in an Oiler jersey. To date, he hasn't found a fit yet probably because the talent level was allowed to dip so low. Maybe now that there are better players ahead of him and maybe even behind him in the lineup, the pressure may subside a little. Maybe Ryan Smyth could help make him the player we hoped he'd be. If he can survive this week he may get that chance.

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#50 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
June 21 2011, 12:00PM
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Pisani's Irish Cousin wrote:

If we can aquire Smyth I would hope we don't deal Hemsky. The chemestry there is already awesome. A possible look at the line up in 2014:

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle Paarjavi - Lander - Ganger Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky Hamilton - Pitlick - Hartikainen

Sweet jesus that looks yummy. No mention of any other new picks in there either. Imagine Mark Scheifele or Nicklas Jensen trying to break into that older group. Or if I dream maybe Sven Bartschi or Joel Armia or even Mark McNeill!

sweet jesus that looks like the most expensive 3rd line in hockey

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