Risk Aversion

Lowetide
June 22 2011 06:53AM

One of the key elements in the recent success of the Edmonton Oilers at the draft table: reducing risk.

IMMINENT DANGER

Back in the olden days, the Edmonton Oilers treated the first round like a crapshoot. Jesse Niinimaki was taken in the middle of round one despite being ranked #50 on the European list (making him a probable 4th rder). After the draft, we were told that the organization had heard New Jersey planned to take him so they were forced into the selection. A cynic might suggest that a team like NJD (run by honest Lou) might make up stuff and leak the rumor in hopes that someone bought it.

The problem with this kind of thing is that if your reach pick (that's what I call them, reach picks) falls down the stairs or hurts his arm or finds women, God, liquor or ganja then you're s.o.l. I believe Kevin Prendergast lost his job because of Niinimaki, the Pouliot/Jacques 2003 draft and the Alex Plante 2007 selection. All of them had their careers impacted by injury. Doesn't matter. It's on the scouting team and their leader (KP) is no longer employed as a scouting director.

GETTIN' IT?

The Oilers made some changes during the latter portion of last decade, and one of those changes involved elevating Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor to the position of scouting director. MacGregor has been in the position for the last three drafts and this weekend will be number four.

MBS is risk averse. His selections of Taylor Hall, Magnum PS and Jordan Eberle were all in the range of expectation, and he's rarely gone outside the norm during the first 75 picks (Abney, Hesketh being examples). His 2010 second round is already being compared to KP's 2002 (Stoll, Greene and JDD) after the club plucked Tyler Pitlick, Martin Marincin and Curtis Hamilton in the second round a year ago.

A list like Bob McKenzie's is a very valuable tool for the organization that can get past it's own ego and recognize that these are in fact the consensus best player's available. In fact, if a player is rated highly and your scouts are telling you to stay away, wouldn't you like a very good reason for it? Wouldn't you hope that scout had a really good reason? 

You could take Bob McKenzie's top 60 to the draft, follow it exactly and come out on top of some teams on draft weekend. Scouting can help, but it can also hinder. What if you "saw him good" on the way day he was "beyond his best?" Should one of your scouts get stubborn on a fellow (say, Kenta Nilsson on Alexei Mikhnov) then you end up with a Traktor boy instead of an NHL player.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Here is Bob McKenzie's top 60 list. I'd guess that Oilers picks 1, 19, 31 and maybe 61 could be on that list, and there are probably a couple more Edmonton selections on the NHL combine invite list.

NORTH AMERICAN SKATERS
NAME TEAM LEAGUE POS. HT WT
Seth Ambroz Omaha USHL RW 6-foot-2 211
Olivier Archambault Val d'Or QMJHL LW 5-foot-11 170
Sven Baertschi Portland WHL LW 5-foot-10 181
Nathan Beaulieu Saint John QMJHL D 6-foot-2 174
Myles Bell Regina WHL D 6-foot 214
Tyler Biggs USA U-18 USHL RW 6-foot-2 210
Austen Brassard Belleville OHL RW 6-foot-2 191
Daniel Catenacci Sault Ste. Marie OHL C 5-foot-10 183
Adam Clendening Boston University HE D 5-foot-11` 190
Nick Cousins Sault Ste. Marie OHL C 5-foot-11 166
Sean Couturier Drummondville QMJHL C 6-foot-4 197
Joseph Cramarossa Mississauga St. Michael's OHL C 6-foot 188
Phillip Danault Victoriaville QMJHL LW 6-foot 170
Joel Edmundson Moose Jaw WHL D 6-foot-5 191
Travis Ewanyk Edmonton WHL LW 6-foot-1 178
Rocco Grimaldi USA U-18 USHL C 5-foot-6 163
Dougie Hamilton Niagara OHL D 6-foot-4 187
Jonathan Huberdeau Saint John QMJHL C 6-foot-1 170
Philippe Hudon Choate-Rosemary HIGH-CT C/RW 6-foot 190
Colin Jacobs Seattle WHL C 6-foot-1 197
Boone Jenner Oshawa OHL C 6-foot-1 204
Nicklas Jensen Oshawa OHL LW/RW 6-foot-2 187
Tomas Jurco Saint John QMJHL RW 6-foot-2 187
Alexander Khokhlachev Windsor OHL C/LW 5-foot-10 188
Patrick Koudys Rensselaer ECAC D 6-foot-2 190
Sean Kuraly Indiana USHL C 6-foot-2 192
Joseph Labate Holy Angels HIGH-MN C 6-foot-4 180
Gabriel Landeskog Kitchener OHL LW 6-foot-1 207
Zac Larraza USA U-18 USHL LW 6-foot-2 192
Maximilien LeSieur Shawinigan QMJHL RW 6-foot-2 203
Lucas Lessio Oshawa OHL LW 6-foot-1 197
Luke Lockhart Seattle WHL RW 5-foot-10 180
Adam Lowry Swift Current WHL LW 6-foot-4 186
Mario Lucia Wayzata HIGH-MN LW 6-foot-2 183
Scott Mayfield Youngstown  USHL D 6-foot-4 197
Mark McNeill Prince Albert WHL C 6-foot-2 201
Jonathan Miller USA U-18 USHL C 6-foot-1 198
Joseph Morrow Portland WHL D 6-foot 197
Connor Murphy USA U-18 USHL D 6-foot-3 185
Ryan Murphy Kitchener OHL D 5-foot-11 166
David Musil Vancouver WHL D 6-foot-3 198
Vladislav Namestnikov London OHL C 6-foot 166
Matthew Nieto Boston University HE LW 5-foot-11 175
Marcel Noebels Seattle WHL LW 6-foot-3 195
Stefan Noesen Plymouth OHL RW 6-foot 195
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Red Deer WHL C 6-foot-1 164
Scott Oke Saint John QMJHL LW 6-foot-3 185
Jamieson Oleksiak Northeastern HE D 6-foot-7 244
Xavier Ouellet Montreal QMJHL D 6-foot 174
Stuart Percy Mississauga St. Michael's OHL D 6-foot-1 186
Zack Phillips Saint John QMJHL C 6-foot-1 178
Shane Prince Ottawa OHL C 5-foot-10 174
Matt Puempel Peterborough OHL LW 6-foot 196
Alan Quine Peterborough OHL C 5-foot-11 178
Jonathan Racine Shawinigan QMJHL D 6-foot-1 182
Rickard Rakell Plymouth OHL RW 6-foot 191
Ty Rattie Portland WHL RW 5-foot-11 163
Mike Reilly Shattuck-St. Mary's HIGH-MN D 5-foot-11 150
Tobias Rieder Kitchener OHL C 5-foot-11 173
Brett Ritchie Sarnia OHL RW 6-foot-3 210
Robbie Russo USA U-18 USHL D 6-foot 189
Brandon Saad Saginaw OHL LW 6-foot-1 208
Reece Scarlett Swift Current WHL D 6-foot-1 164
Mark Scheifele Barrie OHL C 6-foot-2 182
Logan Shaw Cape Breton QMJHL RW 6-foot-3 197
Nicholas Shore Denver WCHA C 6-foot 195
Duncan Siemens Saskatoon WHL D 6-foot-3 192
Ryan Sproul Sault Ste. Marie OHL D 6-foot-3 175
Michael St. Croix Edmotnon WHL C 5-foot-11 176
Ryan Strome Niagara OHL C 6-foot 175
Colin Sullivan Avon Old Farms HIGH-CT D 6-foot-1 190
Ryan Tesink Saint John QMJHL C 5-foot-11 157
Vincent Trocheck Saginaw OHL C 5-foot-10 184
Andy Welinski Green Bay  USHL D 6-foot 188
Tyler Wotherspoon Portland WHL D 6-foot-1 203
Zachary Yuen Tri-City WHL D 6-foot 205
 
NORTH AMERICAN GOALTENDERS
Jordan Binnington Owen Sound OHL   6-foot-1 156
Laurent Brossoit Edmonton WHL   6-foot-3 193
Christopher Gibson Chicoutimi QMJHL   6-foot-1 193
John Gibson USA U-18 USHL   6-foot-3 205
Matt Mahalak Plymouth OHL   6-foot-2 183
Matt McNeely USA U-18 USHL   6-foot-2 205
Stephen Michalek Loomis Chaffee  HIGH-CT   6-foot-2 183
Michael Morrison  Kitchener OHL   6-foot 177
 
EUROPEAN SKATERS
Joel Armia Assat FIN RW 6-foot-3 191
Rasmus Bengtsson Rogle SWE-2 D 6-foot-3 189
Jeremy Boyce Rotevall Timra SWE LW 6-foot 169
Jonas Brodin Farjestad SWE D 6-foot-1 169
Max Friberg Skovde SWE-3 LW 5-foot-11 185
Markus Granlund HIFK FIN-JR C 5-foot-10 169
Gregory Hofmann Ambri SWISS C 6-foot 177
Dmitri Jaskin Slavia CZE RW 6-foot-1 196
Karl Johansson Brynas SWE-JR D 5-foot-9 167
Oscar Klefbom Farjestad SWE D 6-foot-4 200
Nikita Kucherov CSKA RUS-JR W 5-foot-10 163
Adam Larsson Skelleftea SWE D 6-foot-3 200
Joachim Nermark Linkoping SWE-JR C 6-foot-1 187
Victor Rask Leskand SWE-2 C 6-foot-2 194
Alexander Ruuttu Jokerit FIN-JR C 6-foot-1 183
Miikka Salomaki Karpat FIN RW 5-foot-11 198
Mika Zibanejad Djurgarden SWE C 6-foot-2 191
 
EUROPEAN GOALTENDER
Samu Perhonen JYP FIN-JR   6-foot-4 172

 

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#1 fuck off
June 22 2011, 06:57AM
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ist I the one who ist supposed to say a certain word? Hardly.

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#2 Sparky
June 22 2011, 07:08AM
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This is the reason why I am against trading down in the draft. There is a lot less risk with first overall than there is at fourth and fifth etc. Unless there is star power coming back, too much risk IMO.

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#4 @Oilanderp
June 22 2011, 07:16AM
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How can the average amateur mock drafter justify deviating from this list?

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#6 DonovanMD
June 22 2011, 07:30AM
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You say aversion, I say avoision, look it up, its a word.

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#7 EasyOil
June 22 2011, 07:44AM
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It's really quite incredible how well Stu's drafting has gone so far. It does seem inevitable that he will have a bad draft sooner or later, but at least he's got the track record so far of success in order that we should give him the benefit of the doubt it and when such a draft should happen. It's still the 2008 draft that stands out in my mind with Eberle and Hartikainen. Sure, the 2010 draft is looking fantastic right now, with the sheer number of successful seasons, but Eberle and Hartikainen just kickstarted that injection of swagger and success back into the organisation's prospect bucket.

By the way LT, is there any word on Myles Bell? Is he still in hospital? Still expecting to be drafted? Might be worth a late-round flyer if he's still on the board past the hundred-mark.

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#8 EasyOil
June 22 2011, 07:45AM
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It's really quite incredible how well Stu's drafting has gone so far. It does seem inevitable that he will have a bad draft sooner or later, but at least he's got the track record so far of success in order that we should give him the benefit of the doubt it and when such a draft should happen. It's still the 2008 draft that stands out in my mind with Eberle and Hartikainen. Sure, the 2010 draft is looking fantastic right now, with the sheer number of successful seasons, but Eberle and Hartikainen just kickstarted that injection of swagger and success back into the organisation's prospect bucket.

By the way LT, is there any word on Myles Bell? Is he still in hospital? Still expecting to be drafted? Might be worth a late-round flyer if he's still on the board past the hundred-mark.

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#9 EasyOil
June 22 2011, 07:47AM
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It's really quite incredible how well Stu's drafting has gone so far. It does seem inevitable that he will have a bad draft sooner or later, but at least he's got the track record so far of success in order that we should give him the benefit of the doubt it and when such a draft should happen. It's still the 2008 draft that stands out in my mind with Eberle and Hartikainen. Sure, the 2010 draft is looking fantastic right now, with the sheer number of successful seasons, but Eberle and Hartikainen just kickstarted that injection of swagger and success back into the organisation's prospect bucket.

By the way LT, is there any word on Myles Bell? Is he still in hospital? Still expecting to be drafted? Might be worth a late-round flyer if he's still on the board past the hundred-mark. EDIT: Oops sorry for the triple post! Craaaazy internet here.

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#10 Archaeologuy
June 22 2011, 08:07AM
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So last night pretty much confirmed that McGuire is a tool and that at all costs the Oilers should draft RNH and avoid Larsson.

Remember kids, if you want to draft Larsson #1, it means you and Pierre McGuire are in agreement. Think about that for a while.

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#11 BadSeed
June 22 2011, 08:07AM
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LT: You better answer Easyoil. :)

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#12 @Oilanderp
June 22 2011, 08:15AM
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For the love of God someone draft Myles Bell quick!

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#13 Death Metal Nightmare
June 22 2011, 08:15AM
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RNH is the player. from where the teams at, there's absolutely no reason to "play around" with the draft and select dudes who arent consensus BPA. if the Oilers traded out of this pick, id be completely shocked and laugh for a decade.

all the "speculation" leading up to Friday is way too phony.

theres also no point in trading into the top 8 unless they know for damn sure someone like Larsson, etc (one of the D) is a strong - cant miss - prospect. its almost a sure bet this team is finishing bottom 5 next year. theres still too much youth, and too much overpaid/overused vets who cant carry a hockey club. healthy or not. playing around with the 2012 pick would be a mistake.

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#14 madjam
June 22 2011, 08:16AM
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Why not continue to delay building a contender by not taking a blue chipper corner stone d- man like Larsson ? Why not just continue to build this team ass backwards ? While we are at it , not much sense in addressing size and/or toughness either if they want to continue to drag this process out .

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#15 Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement
June 22 2011, 08:29AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So last night pretty much confirmed that McGuire is a tool and that at all costs the Oilers should draft RNH and avoid Larsson.

Remember kids, if you want to draft Larsson #1, it means you and Pierre McGuire are in agreement. Think about that for a while.

Props, I agree.

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#16 Souby
June 22 2011, 08:49AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So last night pretty much confirmed that McGuire is a tool and that at all costs the Oilers should draft RNH and avoid Larsson.

Remember kids, if you want to draft Larsson #1, it means you and Pierre McGuire are in agreement. Think about that for a while.

Lol! I couldn't agree more. Wasn't he up for a GM position a while back.....with his "logic" shown last night, is it any wonder he is still on TV on not in the front office of an NHL club?

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#17 @Oilanderp
June 22 2011, 08:52AM
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Breaking news! Madjam is revealed to be Pierre McGuire! "I'm shocked yet still kind of expected this", wrote one anonymous commenter. "It's good in a way, at least now the wild insanity has been reduce to a single person to watch out for", wrote another.

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#18 Hemmertime
June 22 2011, 08:53AM
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@madjam

If the consensus pick was Larsson you'd say go for Couturier. If the consensus pick was Couturier you'd be pushing for RNH. Your shtick has gotten stale.

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#19 IHeartHemsky
June 22 2011, 09:09AM
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Wasn't the "Monster" 100% Sold that Tavaras should have gone #1 in 2009...When he makes up his mind...he gets pretty intense about it. He has been on the Larrson wagon since January.

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#20 Lebowski
June 22 2011, 09:14AM
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"Stupid is as stupid does"-Mrs. Gump on Kevin Prendergast.

Next on Katz's to do list should be pro scouting. Or will he wait until he wants the team to compete?

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#21 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2011, 09:15AM
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It's good to see Steve pumping Hemmers tires like he is. There's so many opportunities there with that 8th, someone's gonna fall to that eighth spot, just don't let it be Larsson please. Couturier or Strome would be great.

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#22 TonyT
June 22 2011, 09:25AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So last night pretty much confirmed that McGuire is a tool and that at all costs the Oilers should draft RNH and avoid Larsson.

Remember kids, if you want to draft Larsson #1, it means you and Pierre McGuire are in agreement. Think about that for a while.

FYI, The Hockey New's mock draft also had the Oilers picking Larrson.

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#23 LoDog
June 22 2011, 09:25AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So last night pretty much confirmed that McGuire is a tool and that at all costs the Oilers should draft RNH and avoid Larsson.

Remember kids, if you want to draft Larsson #1, it means you and Pierre McGuire are in agreement. Think about that for a while.

If that doesn't scare Larsson lovers straight I don't know what will.

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#24 Chris.
June 22 2011, 09:35AM
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TonyT wrote:

FYI, The Hockey New's mock draft also had the Oilers picking Larrson.

Pierre McGuire and The Hockey News both know jack about this city, this team, and this organization. They spent 11 seconds looking at the depth chart and said, "Oh, the Oilers need defencemen"

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#25 russ99
June 22 2011, 09:35AM
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Not necessarily.

If you believe with faulty reason like McGuire that Larsson is solely a need pick, then you'd be lumped in with him.

If you believe Larsson's the BPA and don't believe the RNH hype, then you're not.

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#26 Rogue
June 22 2011, 09:38AM
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I will pe P@##&D if they draft Larson first overall. I will adopt Flames And Canucks as my co-favorite teams in protest. Then, hopefully, if anyone truly cares for me, they will shoot me and put me out of my misery.

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#27 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 22 2011, 09:39AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

So last night pretty much confirmed that McGuire is a tool and that at all costs the Oilers should draft RNH and avoid Larsson.

Remember kids, if you want to draft Larsson #1, it means you and Pierre McGuire are in agreement. Think about that for a while.

He's the same guy that laughed at the suggestion that Penner would bring back a 1st rounder (let alone a 1st+)

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#28 Chris.
June 22 2011, 09:42AM
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Lebowski wrote:

"Stupid is as stupid does"-Mrs. Gump on Kevin Prendergast.

Next on Katz's to do list should be pro scouting. Or will he wait until he wants the team to compete?

Tambellini is so proud when he talks about the new standard for due dilligence in amature scouting: "We talk to coaches, parents, teachers, friends... We get to really know what makes these kids tick"

Too bad the standards for pro scouting is so poor (re the deer in the headlights look when Tambi was asked about Teubert being a healthy scratch, not killing penalties, or having "issues" with the Los Angeles management.)

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#29 Souby
June 22 2011, 09:48AM
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russ99 wrote:

Not necessarily.

If you believe with faulty reason like McGuire that Larsson is solely a need pick, then you'd be lumped in with him.

If you believe Larsson's the BPA and don't believe the RNH hype, then you're not.

Larsson is a very good player and the Oilers would greatly benefit if they picked him, but given RNH's talent and projected potential, I feel he has to go #1.

It would be awesome if the Oil could move up from 19 to somehow grab Larsson, but the reality is, that is highly unlikely to happen.

What I would love to see is the Oil move up and grab Dougie Hamilton. They would have to move up into the #6-#8 range to get him, but that would be great.

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#30 Professor
June 22 2011, 09:51AM
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I agree with most of the posts about McGuire, he is a absolute tool! He was going off about how stocked the Oilers are at forward naming Hall, Eberle, MP but if you don't have a center to play with them how well are the going to do? Does anyone remember the center who played with Anaheim in between Kariya and Selanne? Anyone? Imagine how good they could have been with a top center between them.

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#31 Horcsky
June 22 2011, 09:51AM
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RE: Pierre McGuire. When you make predictions, you win some and you lose some. Although some of his recent ones haven't looked to good, as mentioned by commentors above, let's not forget he was blasting every team for not drafting Parise as Parise slipped deeper into the '03 draft and the Oilers gave up their chance to draft him.

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#32 raceguy
June 22 2011, 10:04AM
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Horcsky wrote:

RE: Pierre McGuire. When you make predictions, you win some and you lose some. Although some of his recent ones haven't looked to good, as mentioned by commentors above, let's not forget he was blasting every team for not drafting Parise as Parise slipped deeper into the '03 draft and the Oilers gave up their chance to draft him.

That's a good point.If it was easy there would never be any mistakes.Like Calgary taking Trevor Kidd well before NJ took Brodeur. As for McGuire he gets pretty revved up when he is on TV,but you can't question his passion for the game.His radio persona is toned down considerably.He would make a great guest on LT's show for a post draft review.

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#33 icedowg
June 22 2011, 10:07AM
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@Professor Steve Rucchin! What a beauty

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#34 Showerhead
June 22 2011, 10:10AM
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Is it not possible that, for the sake of building uncertainty and keeping fans engaged, TSN thought it would be best for its two mock-draft panelists to have different views on #1? If we all knew with absolute certainty who Edmonton would pick, you'd have to think there would be a few less viewers on draft night. TSN has a vested interest in broadcasting and maintaining divergent opinions on #1.

If you think Pierre is a tool, it shouldn't be for this.

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#35 Showerhead
June 22 2011, 10:10AM
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Is it not possible that, for the sake of building uncertainty and keeping fans engaged, TSN thought it would be best for its two mock-draft panelists to have different views on #1? If we all knew with absolute certainty who Edmonton would pick, you'd have to think there would be a few less viewers on draft night. TSN has a vested interest in broadcasting and maintaining divergent opinions on #1.

If you think Pierre is a tool, it shouldn't be for this.

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#36 Showerhead
June 22 2011, 10:11AM
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Please pardon the double-post :)

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#37 Professor
June 22 2011, 10:11AM
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@ icedowg

Nice work. I still think Anaheim should have taken a run at getting number 99. Imagine Selanne and Kariya getting passes from him?

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#38 Oilcruzer
June 22 2011, 10:12AM
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Professor wrote:

I agree with most of the posts about McGuire, he is a absolute tool! He was going off about how stocked the Oilers are at forward naming Hall, Eberle, MP but if you don't have a center to play with them how well are the going to do? Does anyone remember the center who played with Anaheim in between Kariya and Selanne? Anyone? Imagine how good they could have been with a top center between them.

Must... resist... off topic... Ah, Fail...

Irrelevant. With a playmaker and scorer, often the third player is a pylon. For all the talent on the Oil, their option always was best with Semenko.

Oil needs are more than just at centre. but yes, they need a centre slightly more than anything else.

Here is the question... Do you take a Centre who looks like he may end up as a 90 on NHL 2016 or a D man who looks like he may become a 95?

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#39 Archaeologuy
June 22 2011, 10:18AM
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TonyT wrote:

FYI, The Hockey New's mock draft also had the Oilers picking Larrson.

They also have Landeskog at #2. Stu MacGregor projected this player as a 3rd liner. There are all kinds of rumours that Colorado loves them some Landeskog, but he isnt the best pick at #2, or 3, or maybe 4.

THN is trying to combine some Eklundesque rumours with some poorly drawn up organizational depth charts to come up with this mock draft. I think it's weak.

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#40 Teddy Nugent
June 22 2011, 10:19AM
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@madjam

@madjam

Tambo said it best.

I ask our scouts when we get into our meeting when we get there is: ‘Point to me someone who is special, that can bring to us something that we don’t have, that maybe isn’t there right now but maybe a couple of years from now is going to be obviously elite.…

RNH has the potential to be elite. Most scouts are now saying Larsson will be good, but not elite. Bobby Mac even said Larsson will be a 2nd pairing D-man on the PP. Do the Oilers really want that?

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#41 ken
June 22 2011, 10:21AM
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I just cant see the oilers trading the pick. Trading with lou would just be like getting our pocket picked for the third time.He is just too smart for our braintrusts. Why would Tallon trade with us?We would have to think he would give us junk and then draft RNH.

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#42 Professor
June 22 2011, 10:26AM
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@ Oilcruzer

Irrelevant? I think not. Taking it back to Gretz and Kurri is not a fair example. You are talking about the best passer ever and one of the best goal scorers ever. Just like you can play anyone with Crosby and they will get points. How good would Crosby be with an Oveckin on his wing? But in that example Gretz is a center. The center usually sets up the plays and dishes it out to the wingers. A good center is more important than a good winger. How good would Heatley and Marleau be without Thorton between them?

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#43 Professor
June 22 2011, 10:30AM
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@ Oilcruzer

Oh and Larsson isn't going to be a #1 defenseman most scouts have him at a #2-#3 defenseman not a #1.

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#44 VMR
June 22 2011, 10:31AM
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I'm more interested in the possibility of trading down from 19 if Mcneil and Scheifele are gone. There are still a lot of good players on the board and a few teams that might be willing to make a deal if they see someone they want. Like St Louis with 32 and 41 or Toronto with 25 or 30 and 39 maybe even Florida with 33 and 47 there are a few more teams with a couple picks in that range that could work out.

I like what we did last year in the 2nd round, might be able to do it again this year if the picks are there.

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#45 freeze
June 22 2011, 10:38AM
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/offtopic

David Staples just posted an update on ReKhabby: http://blog.scottsdalearizonanews.com/2011/06/nikolai-khabibulin-non-compliance-with.html

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#46 LoDog
June 22 2011, 10:41AM
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If Ryan Murphy starts sliding down out of the top 10 do you trade up to get him? Say he is around at 12 or 13.

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#47 Archaeologuy
June 22 2011, 10:45AM
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freeze wrote:

/offtopic

David Staples just posted an update on ReKhabby: http://blog.scottsdalearizonanews.com/2011/06/nikolai-khabibulin-non-compliance-with.html

Khabibulin is a fugitive from the Law! $100,000 reward for his arrest or capture!*

*Probably**

**Probably not***

***I'm not a lawyer, how should I know?

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#48 Souby
June 22 2011, 10:46AM
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freeze wrote:

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David Staples just posted an update on ReKhabby: http://blog.scottsdalearizonanews.com/2011/06/nikolai-khabibulin-non-compliance-with.html

Interesting....I wonder the potential long term effects are on his tenure with the Oil. Only time will tell I guess.

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#49 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 22 2011, 10:48AM
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@ Oilcruzer

Irrelevant? I think not. Taking it back to Gretz and Kurri is not a fair example. You are talking about the best passer ever and one of the best goal scorers ever. Just like you can play anyone with Crosby and they will get points. How good would Crosby be with an Oveckin on his wing? But in that example Gretz is a center. The center usually sets up the plays and dishes it out to the wingers. A good center is more important than a good winger. How good would Heatley and Marleau be without Thorton between them?

Oddly enough most wingers see their production stay the same or even go down with Crosby ;)

The whole theory is a myth.

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#50 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
June 22 2011, 10:49AM
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@VMR

The odds of the Oil having a second round like last year is about as good as madjam getting props from someone other than himself and his mom.

At least, that is, if the 2nd rounders from last year pan out I guess.

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