Welcome Home, Ryan Smyth!

Lowetide
June 26 2011 10:28AM

Ryan Smyth is an Edmonton Oiler. Details of the deal (Colin Fraser and a distant 7th rd pick in 2012) are unimportant, Ryan Smyth returns!

Steve Tambellini has earned major points for a very good hockey trade. I'm not certain he thinks so, but the evidence is overwhelming. Quality NHL player, mentor, and very likely a reasonable contract next year.

I'm having a beer, and then I'm having another.

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#201 TigerUnderGlass
June 26 2011, 03:33PM
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@Islanders of the North

Not drafting a defense men in the first round is huge mistake

You need a stud back there (Boston=Chara)(Chicago=Seabrook and Keith).

Brilliant.

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#202 TigerUnderGlass
June 26 2011, 03:38PM
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@Ender

The saying is "win some, lose some" but I honestly didn't figure the 'win' part would ever apply to the Oilers here. Who'da thunk?

I strongly agree with this statement. The idea of Tambellini coming out ahead in a trade like this feels extremely odd. Almost wrong.

Even when I suggested Fraser I was more thinking in terms of what I though LA might take if necessary, not what I thought would actually happen.

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#203 FastOil
June 26 2011, 03:48PM
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@spoiler

It depends what report you read. There seems to be differing opinions from scouts over skating and slapper.

His physical play was always mentioned and making good plays at both ends which is the positive.

He must have a few non elite aspects to separate him from the other swede and Hamilton. Murphy is unique.

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#204 madjam
June 26 2011, 03:56PM
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Oilers sitting in the bush with Souray ?

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#205 Jodes
June 26 2011, 04:11PM
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Well at least I can pull out my Smytty MacFarlane figures and shed tears of joy not tears of sorrow anymore!

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#206 Giggsunited
June 26 2011, 04:13PM
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Sorry if this has been answered already, is there a presser w/Smyth and ST?

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#207 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 04:21PM
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Review all of his Trades and you will see that he is actually about 65-70% winning on the trade front. You have to look at who the Oilers got for the picks. For example the Whitney trade was about even but getting Davidson as a 6th rounder for that pick pushes it to a win for the Oilers.

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#208 Brandon
June 26 2011, 04:26PM
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WELCOME BACK TO THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS RYAN SMYTH!

BUY OUTS NOW LIKELY: FW- Gilbert Brule D- Sheldon Souray

LIKELY RESIGNED PLAYERS: RFA-D- Ladi Smid. 1 Way Contract RFA-D- Theo Peckham. 1 Way Contract UFA-FW- Alexandre Giroux. 2 Way Contact

RFA's In Question: FW- Andrew Cogliano FW- Ryan O'Marra D- Taylor Chorney

UFA's Likely Gone: FW- Steve MacIntrye D- Jim Vandermeer D- Jason Strudwick D- Richard Petiot G- Jeff Deslaurier G- Martin Gerber

RFA's Likely Gone: FW- Zach Stortini FW- JF Jacques FW- Liam Reddox (GONE ALREADY)

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#209 Blue Blooded
June 26 2011, 04:32PM
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Isn't it sweet to be proud to be an Oiler fan again :) If healthy, I think Brule adds some depth to organization btw. He has some ability to put the puck in the net and plays bigger than he is when healthy. I'm glad he is still with the team. No need for a buyout IMO. Depth people!! I know its hard to remember what it was like when guys used to have to win their spots at training camp

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#210 geoilersgist
June 26 2011, 04:38PM
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I agree it is nice to be proud to be an oiler fan again. Finally it seems as though Tambellini is moving in the right direction

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#211 T.C.
June 26 2011, 04:38PM
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quite possibly one of the greatest article ever wriiten.now biggest decision is which jersey rnh or smyth?

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#212 itsnotu_itsme
June 26 2011, 05:01PM
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@Quintana

im good with that

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#213 Clyde Frog
June 26 2011, 05:18PM
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You guys know islanders of the North is just Madjam trolling, right.

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#214 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 26 2011, 05:23PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Who was it again who insisted in mocking tones that I was out of my mind when I suggested Fraser as a possible player to send back to LA?

There were a couple of you.

Ya I was really suprised some people felt we'd have to give up something of value for Smyth.

(though I didn't think Fraser would be involved)

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#215 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 26 2011, 05:24PM
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longbottom/P.Biglow wrote:

Review all of his Trades and you will see that he is actually about 65-70% winning on the trade front. You have to look at who the Oilers got for the picks. For example the Whitney trade was about even but getting Davidson as a 6th rounder for that pick pushes it to a win for the Oilers.

65% - 70%?

I'd love to see how that breaks down.

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#216 Islanders of the north
June 26 2011, 05:43PM
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Let's all get in a cirlce and hug now that Ryan smyth is back. He is 35 years old how effective do you really think he is going to be.

Maybe Kevin Lowe will come back to improve your pathetic defense. let me guess his a number 2 on any other team.....

Come on.

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#217 Islanders of the North
June 26 2011, 05:49PM
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For the record Vancouver did not win the cup because they too did not have a stud on the back end....Don't be suprised if that changes this year as well.

Again I will say I am just stating the facts.

Edmonton missed the boat in this draft not selecting a stud for a defensmen in this years draft. They should have drafted Larson, this will truly come back to haunt them...wait and see.

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#218 FastOil
June 26 2011, 05:52PM
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@longbottom

The problem isn't that ST is getting killed every trade, it's that there hasn't been a decisive deal that improves the team.

Whitney is a fabulous player - with serious health issues. ST gave up a really good player to get him and it is questionable if he'll ever be able to play a full season.

If we keep Whitney he will be our Salo, becoming more and more likely to go down the farther we go in the season and playoffs. That makes it a wash at best. Davidson is a nice player, but still a longshot to ever win a regular NHL job.

What makes a GM is decisive deal that improves the team with no qualifications. They don't win them all, but the team improves. Examples are Chiarelli, Gillis, Holland, maybe Lombardi and Wilson, we'll see.

Tambellini has mostly a bunch of minor deals on his resume, and a team that has slid to the bottom. He has acquired some players who have bombed for us, we all know who they are, and let some guys who had good numbers go. Picking first overall is no sign of skill. The later picks are on his scouts who Lowe hires.

There is a lot left to prove for Steve-O.

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#219 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 05:53PM
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Sure Garon to Pittsburgh – Sabourin, Stone, 4th Round Pick in 2011(Tobias Rieder) to Edmonton 2nd Round Pick in 2009(Jesse Blacker) to Buffalo – Kotalik to Edmonton Cole, 5th Round Pick(Matt Kennedy) in 2009 to Carolina – O’Sullivan, 2nd Round pick in 2009 to Edmonton(Blacker)

Brodziak, 6th Round Pick in 2009( Darcey Keumper) to Minnesota – 4th, 5th Round Picks in 2009 to Edmonton(Bigos and Roy) Grebeshkov to Nashville – 2nd Round Pick in 2010 to Edmonton(Hamilton) Visnovsky to Anaheim – Whitney, 6th Round Pick in 2010 to Edmonton(Davidson) Staios to Calgary – Johnson, 3rd Round Pick in 2011 to Edmonton(Travis Ewaniuk)

6th Round Pick in 2010 to Chicago(Mirrko Hofflin) – Fraser to Edmonton Nash to Carolina – 2nd Round Pick to Edmonton(Marincin) O’Sullivan to Phoenix – Vandermeer to Edmonton

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#220 David S
June 26 2011, 05:55PM
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Islanders of the North wrote:

For the record Vancouver did not win the cup because they too did not have a stud on the back end....Don't be suprised if that changes this year as well.

Again I will say I am just stating the facts.

Edmonton missed the boat in this draft not selecting a stud for a defensmen in this years draft. They should have drafted Larson, this will truly come back to haunt them...wait and see.

Feel free to drop by in five years or so to tell us how badly the Oilers missed on this draft.

That should be just around the time we're celebrating another deep run in the playoffs after acquiring said "stud on the back end" via UFA pickup or trade. Kinda like Boston just did

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#221 Serious Gord
June 26 2011, 05:57PM
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This trade falls into the same category as the Pronger trade, but not for the reason that one might think at first. This trade is likely to have slightly positive impact on the teams' fortunes this coming year and possibly on the quality of the maturation of its young roster, but it is nowhere near as impactful as Pronger's aquisition was.

It definitely does NOT earn Tambellini "major points" for making the trade. This was a force majeur trade by the Kings just as Pronger was for the Blues. Tambellini wasjust in the right place at the right time just as lowe was with pronger.

And it could all go terribly wrong, or at least not come close to delivering on its promise. Smyth plays a style that is not kind to aging bodies - net-crashing has seen him miss 12% of his potential NHL games - 15% of the last four years. Meanwhile a once-promising player - fraser has been traded and may yet find his game and deliver on that promise yet (name Cleary ring a bell)

That said, realistically Tambellini HAD to make the deal - as he HAD to pick Hall over Seguin - there was/is too much pressure to not do otherwise. And, if i'm not mistaken this is only one year before RS is a UFA and cap issues are the least of the team's worries this year.

What the hell, the cost to the owner has about the same impact to his income as a flat screen TV to the average oiler fan. And Oiler's Jock-sniffer extraordinaire that he is, bringing back a retread like Smyth must make him positively giddy...

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#222 Islanders of the North
June 26 2011, 05:59PM
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Five years from now the Oilers will be rebuilding again. Your window will be past and you won't be able to afford the young guys because you are bringing them in too early and not giving them a chance to develop.. Good luck with..history repeats itself.

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#223 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 06:00PM
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While I won't say he won every trade your example of the whitney trade for me is a wash as Whitney will play the whole year this year and Davidson will play in Oak City I believe. But others he won by just subtracting the player from the team and getting that draft pick is the bonus. example Grebs to Nashville is a winner bytradeing Grebs(who is no longer in the NHL) but the draft pick Hamilton is gravy.

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#224 Serious Gord
June 26 2011, 06:03PM
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David S wrote:

Feel free to drop by in five years or so to tell us how badly the Oilers missed on this draft.

That should be just around the time we're celebrating another deep run in the playoffs after acquiring said "stud on the back end" via UFA pickup or trade. Kinda like Boston just did

Drafting a defenseman high in the first round rarely yields huge returns compared to drafting a forward. Better to pick up someone else's proven d-man when they are in a salary crunch - like the oil did taking whitney off of the cash-strapped 'canes.

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#225 Walter Sobchak
June 26 2011, 06:08PM
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@Clyde Frog

The spellings the same,the grammar's the same, even the run on sentences are the same.........It is Madjam!!!

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#226 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 06:11PM
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Serious Gord I do not believe A word you just wrote. Did katz bite you wrong did Tambo date your sister? Wow that is some serious hate.

This trade could have fallen into Tambo's lap like prolly a dozen tades in the NHL to other G.M.s every year. Where he wins this trade is we get a wealth of exp for the kids to draw on. Protection for Hall and Ebs etc by playing the smyth line against the top lines of other teams. A proven P/P and P/k guy we really needed. A positive locker room influence for the team. for Fraser and a seventh. It was supposed to be Brule and a Fourth or Fifth.

P.S. do not discount the tough trades he had to make either, Grebs, Pos, Visnoski, Staios, Penner, Yes Tambo wins 3 of those trades by addition by subtraction, and the forth is a wash but a win if Davidson makes the team.

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#227 rockmoss
June 26 2011, 06:16PM
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Great day to be an Oilers fan!! I thought the original trade to NYI was the Oilers lowest moment ever. This makes up for it a bit anyway. I'm hoping that Ryan still has some magic but his blood and guts work ethic is the best thing he brings. Welcome back!

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#228 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
June 26 2011, 06:29PM
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nofool6110 wrote:

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I think I might be high off the fumes of Smyth awesomeness, but just a thought here...

If RNH was NHL-ready...

Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky [Smyth being the only player registered in existence to have decent chemistry with Horcoff]

Hall - RNH - Eberle

Paajarvi - Gagner - Omark

Haartikainen - Cogliano - Jones

Whitney - Petry

Gilbert - Smid

Peckham - Chorney/Teubert/Vandermeer/FA

Dubnyk - Rehabibulin

... It doesn't look that bad now, does it?

that forward group could set a record for number of no hit games in a season

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#229 BarryS
June 26 2011, 06:55PM
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Islanders of the North wrote:

Five years from now the Oilers will be rebuilding again. Your window will be past and you won't be able to afford the young guys because you are bringing them in too early and not giving them a chance to develop.. Good luck with..history repeats itself.

So you mean Vancouver never wins the cup? If history repeats itself then 5 more cups in Oilers future.

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#230 Antony Ta
June 26 2011, 07:05PM
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Islanders of the north wrote:

I just see the Oilers management without a vision. Don't understand why they are not filling holes. You don't win on the front...wake up. Vancouver didn't win the cup because of their collective defense. You need a stud back there (Boston=Chara)(Chicago=Seabrook and Keith). Defense takes years to build and the oilers will not be able to afford their young talent if it is not addressed soon. They are taken the wrong approach and missed the boat in this years draft. This mistake will haunt them.

Yeah okay. Because Chara was drafted in third round and Keith was drafted in the second round.

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#231 Maverick
June 26 2011, 07:05PM
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So whats the chance the Oil kings trade for RNH so the Oil can develop him themselves?

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#232 jake
June 26 2011, 07:06PM
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Serious Gord said: And it could all go terribly wrong, or at least not come close to delivering on its promise...

?????

I don't think Tambellini (Katz) brought Smyth in as the missing piece to go on a deep cup run. He's got one year left on his deal, if he wants too much next summer then he can play elsewhere.

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#233 Antony Ta
June 26 2011, 07:06PM
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Islanders of the North wrote:

Five years from now the Oilers will be rebuilding again. Your window will be past and you won't be able to afford the young guys because you are bringing them in too early and not giving them a chance to develop.. Good luck with..history repeats itself.

17 years from now... history repeats itself.

Another game 7 loss for Vancouver!

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#234 FastOil
June 26 2011, 07:19PM
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longbottom/P.Biglow wrote:

While I won't say he won every trade your example of the whitney trade for me is a wash as Whitney will play the whole year this year and Davidson will play in Oak City I believe. But others he won by just subtracting the player from the team and getting that draft pick is the bonus. example Grebs to Nashville is a winner bytradeing Grebs(who is no longer in the NHL) but the draft pick Hamilton is gravy.

Whitney has only played a full season twice in his career.

Neither of us know, but the odds are against him after two major bone reconstruction surgeries - it's just common sense.

The list of trades you provided is a list of mediocre at best players and a bunch of guys yet to make the league, except Whitney and Vis.

If Whitney never gets past his injuries Anaheim pulled Little Stevie's pants down in front of the whole class because Vis had a lot of value.

At the end of the day, after all the guys he decided to get rid of, the team is getting worse, not better and that's the whole story right there.

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#235 HOZ
June 26 2011, 07:29PM
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ALL HAIL THE MULLET!

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#236 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 07:34PM
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That depends on your definition of worse. Getting rid of a bunch of "proven" players and replaceing them with rookies could be considered worse. My Definition of better is: Playing rookies and haveing the same amount of points, injuries, and AHL players playing but seeing no quit during games. Seeing the amount of 1 goal games go up. Seeing a team with nothing to play for beat Vancouver two of the last games of the season.

Now with some tinkering on defence and the fourth line this team will move out of last place they have some distance to go but I'll call it now tenth in the west w/o seeing the rest of the tinkering Steve is going to do this summer.

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#237 Serious Gord
June 26 2011, 07:34PM
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longbottom/P.Biglow wrote:

Serious Gord I do not believe A word you just wrote. Did katz bite you wrong did Tambo date your sister? Wow that is some serious hate.

This trade could have fallen into Tambo's lap like prolly a dozen tades in the NHL to other G.M.s every year. Where he wins this trade is we get a wealth of exp for the kids to draw on. Protection for Hall and Ebs etc by playing the smyth line against the top lines of other teams. A proven P/P and P/k guy we really needed. A positive locker room influence for the team. for Fraser and a seventh. It was supposed to be Brule and a Fourth or Fifth.

P.S. do not discount the tough trades he had to make either, Grebs, Pos, Visnoski, Staios, Penner, Yes Tambo wins 3 of those trades by addition by subtraction, and the forth is a wash but a win if Davidson makes the team.

The owner's uber-fanism towards the oilers is well-documented. I have no axe to grind against him other than I fear that his passion for the team will blind him in the way it blinded the Wrigleys - former owners of the Chicago cubs and thus I and other Oil fans will be doomed to decades of failed promise and poor performance from the team.

As for ST, my point is that this trade says nothing about his ability to make trades - either good or bad much as the Pronger deal said nothing about Lowe's skills in that regard. Ditto picking Hall and now RN-H. There was nowhere else that Smyth wanted to go - LA had to deal him to the Oil.

From the very beginning I have been sKeptical of Tambellini's hiring by his good friend Lowe. Nothing has really changed my opinion thusfar - it's too early to tell. But past and present evidence is on my side - Lowe hired MacT and it was a disaster, Lowe was made GM because he was an alma mater and that was a disaster that continues to wreak havoc. The sutterite colony to the south is now in (a predictable) collapse. And in TO Burke hires Americans over any other nationality unless there is no such option - and the results will no doubt be a failure.

Cronyism, nepotism, and nationlism are all doomed to failure, unfortunately, I see the oilers organization not being one to buck that trend.

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#238 Serious Gord
June 26 2011, 07:38PM
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jake wrote:

Serious Gord said: And it could all go terribly wrong, or at least not come close to delivering on its promise...

?????

I don't think Tambellini (Katz) brought Smyth in as the missing piece to go on a deep cup run. He's got one year left on his deal, if he wants too much next summer then he can play elsewhere.

He could be injured for most of the season, he could be a negative force in the room, he could simply have a bad season - worth far less than the 4 million he's going to be paid. Meanwhile Fraser could finally live up to his past promise...and do so for the kings for years to come.

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#239 Butters
June 26 2011, 07:39PM
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RNH won't make a 30th place team with no depth at centre? Yikes.

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#240 In the Grease
June 26 2011, 07:40PM
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Worked all day - finally watching Tambellini in various interviews. Confirming the positivity of the trade.... and that he clearly speaks English as a second language.

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#241 Personal Home Inspector
June 26 2011, 07:45PM
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Thanks for posting.

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#242 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 26 2011, 07:45PM
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longbottom/P.Biglow wrote:

Sure Garon to Pittsburgh – Sabourin, Stone, 4th Round Pick in 2011(Tobias Rieder) to Edmonton 2nd Round Pick in 2009(Jesse Blacker) to Buffalo – Kotalik to Edmonton Cole, 5th Round Pick(Matt Kennedy) in 2009 to Carolina – O’Sullivan, 2nd Round pick in 2009 to Edmonton(Blacker)

Brodziak, 6th Round Pick in 2009( Darcey Keumper) to Minnesota – 4th, 5th Round Picks in 2009 to Edmonton(Bigos and Roy) Grebeshkov to Nashville – 2nd Round Pick in 2010 to Edmonton(Hamilton) Visnovsky to Anaheim – Whitney, 6th Round Pick in 2010 to Edmonton(Davidson) Staios to Calgary – Johnson, 3rd Round Pick in 2011 to Edmonton(Travis Ewaniuk)

6th Round Pick in 2010 to Chicago(Mirrko Hofflin) – Fraser to Edmonton Nash to Carolina – 2nd Round Pick to Edmonton(Marincin) O’Sullivan to Phoenix – Vandermeer to Edmonton

The Oilers have "won" 65% - 70% of those?

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#243 Hemmertime
June 26 2011, 07:47PM
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@Serious Gord

MacT a disaster?

I was fine with letting him go, but the results he had with 1/2 the salary of some teams is entirely commendable. 1 game from a Cup ring when he had a team that was "on paper" as good as others.

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#244 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 26 2011, 07:50PM
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longbottom/P.Biglow wrote:

That depends on your definition of worse. Getting rid of a bunch of "proven" players and replaceing them with rookies could be considered worse. My Definition of better is: Playing rookies and haveing the same amount of points, injuries, and AHL players playing but seeing no quit during games. Seeing the amount of 1 goal games go up. Seeing a team with nothing to play for beat Vancouver two of the last games of the season.

Now with some tinkering on defence and the fourth line this team will move out of last place they have some distance to go but I'll call it now tenth in the west w/o seeing the rest of the tinkering Steve is going to do this summer.

I think most peoples definition of being worse is dropping 11 spots and 26 points from the season before ST was hired to today.

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#245 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 07:59PM
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Well I know you are an mature gent as am i. Do you remember the days before the NHL. The days of Hunter was owner where Juaques Plante signing here was Front Page news? or the days of Semenko and Jaimie Troy beat the tar out of every other team that came thru here. Those were days when the team was run into the ground. (fond of them I am. K.Lowe didn't do a horrid job. He paniced when Pronger left overpayed a few players Hell everyteam has bad contracts. He was right in a way with Penner RFA signing. Penner flourished with Quinn. My point is at the whole body of work that Lowe did was just OK. Tambellini should be judged the same way. If you have noticed I never gave him credit with Hall and RNH. I do give him credit or rebuilding our proepect pool. Signing Stu to Head Scout. Getting decent picks in trades while not giving an inch in others. I'll judge Tambo after the % year mark of this rebuild. He did say it was a 5 year plan. this is year two I am counting.......lmao.

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#246 SurfacetoAirMissile
June 26 2011, 08:02PM
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Welcome home Smyth... stay healthy, pass on your passion to the team, pop some goals in tight and keep tosses pucks over the glass before puck drop to the kids!

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#247 madjam
June 26 2011, 08:20PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The spellings the same,the grammar's the same, even the run on sentences are the same.........It is Madjam!!!

It's not madjam . Now that Tams has got his feet wet , maybe more is coming for this sesaon . Studman Musil adds to defence and perhaps Souray gets a retry . Add Jagr at a paltry $1-2 million and maybe Hopkins draws in to win Calder . By the way Kleftbom is also a defenceman that the North intruder seems to not know . As the song goes "you ain't seen nothing yet " . Onward and upward , the phrase of the day !

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#248 longbottom/P.Biglow
June 26 2011, 08:33PM
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While I also find it quite convienient to blame Tambellini for alot of what has happened. He was named general Manager of the team in the summer 2008. He took over a team that had spent 10-15 years fighting for 7-10 spot. He had no organizational depth because of this and because of bad drafting as far back as the Sather years. He was stuck with bad contracts from the year after the stanley cup run. Since then I'l list the changes he has made. -Stu MacGregor Named Head scout. -Mike Sillinger brought in to help with player developement. -restarted our own farm team with springfield. -Made Trades to get rid of bad Contracts ie: grebs. -Made the Decision with Katz when all the injuries first started hitting to Blow Up the Team -Made everyone in the organization accountable including players/coaches/regular staff members.

In all I would say in 2and a half years since then there has been some dramtic improvements. Inprovement cannot only be guaged by wins and loses.

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#249 Team Hall
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Smyth Horc Hemsky Hall Nuge Ebs MP Gags Omark Jones Cogs Hartik Brule

That's a pretty full lineup. I guess Lander could start in the A and be the first call up for injury. Pretty weak faceoffwise unless we sign Kenopka, but then who comes out of that lineup? My guess is Mac is a no-sign, Jacques, Storts, gonzo. We need to sign Kenopka to make that lineup a bit grittier. Then maybe Cogs and Brule in the pressbox? I like Cogs and Brule, decent players for depth, but we are tight for room there.

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Serious Gord wrote:

He could be injured for most of the season, he could be a negative force in the room, he could simply have a bad season - worth far less than the 4 million he's going to be paid. Meanwhile Fraser could finally live up to his past promise...and do so for the kings for years to come.

You're right SG, but you can say that about anyone that you ship out...as Oilers fans have seen happen again and again. That being said, it happens to all teams (well, maybe the exception being Detroit), so I don't think it is a particularly damning point against the Oilers.

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