Glass Half Full?

Lowetide
June 04 2011 08:18AM

There seems to be a lot of concern among OilersNation draft observers about making the wrong choice at number one in this year's edition. There's another way to look at this: there are no wrong answers. Not from here. 

Not long ago, commenter "Steve Smith" posted something along the lines of "this may be the draft where the cards are stacked against Stu MacGregor." Point being that although the Oilers have secured the top overall selection, there doesn't seem to be a pure #1 overall pick (in historic terms).

I think it comes down to how you frame the issue, and answering the question "what is reasonable?" when it comes to expectations. ALL of the draft services and ALL of the observers say this is a 4 or 5 man race for number one. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Adam Larsson, Sean Couturier, Gabriel Landeskog and Jonathan Huberdeau all look like they could be the best player from this draft a decade gone.

It seems to me that if everyone agrees there are 5 horses in the race and on raceday it's a photo finish, then it is completely reasonable to suggest that the Edmonton Oilers should choose the guy they believe will be the best and then put the entire matter to bed. Although that isn't how it'll go--Steve is right, MBS is in a no-win situation and there's every chance it'll bite him in the ass if he can't look five years into the future with aplomb--sometimes you have to take your chances at the draft.

I believe the Edmonton Oilers will take Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Bob McKenzie put the seeds of doubt in my mind last night during the draft lottery show. He detailed a conversation he'd had with Steve Tambellini after the Oilers GM returned from seeing Adam Larsson during the SEL playoffs. McKenzie stated that in his opinion the Oilers had two players in their cross hairs-RNH and Adam Larsson.

It should be a very interesting draft.

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#51 C-Dog
June 04 2011, 06:08PM
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jake wrote:

On Jeff Skinner From TSR - The Scouting Report June 2010:

"Although it would appear that Skinner would be a gem if selected with the 18th pick in the draft, there are some concerns about him that would have some General Managers hesitant about selecting the Markham, Ontario native in the first round. Standing at only 5’10” 182 pounds, his skill is not stunted in the junior ranks, but when he makes the leap to the next level, playing against stronger, faster, and more talented defensemen, will he be able to make the adjustment is the question. The debate once again arises about the quickness of players and whether other attributes are able to offset this short coming. It is no different with Skinner. His skating ability, and first step acceleration will need to come a long way if he is to succeed in the NHL"

He went 7th overall. Had a decent NHL rookie season. There's a gem somewhere in that top 8 this year. I just want it going to Edmonton.

Excellent example of how difficult it is to project prospects before they hit the NHL. I would actually say Skinner had a remarakable, not just decent, rookie season.

How's this for another example of mis-projection? re: Patrik Stefan

http://thehockeywriters.com/what-happened-to-patrik-stefan/

“He is going to be a dominating, play-making center,” Van Boxmeer said of the 6-foot-3 195 pounder. “He is a guy who looks to make the play rather than shoot himself. He’ll be a guy who can get 100 assists and 20-25 goals in the NHL.” "He is a cross between Mike Modano and Sergei Fedorov,” said coach Boxmeer.

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#52 Ryan2
June 04 2011, 06:30PM
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C-Dog wrote:

This is ridiculous. Comments like '''does not look like there is a Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, Ryan Johansen, or even Cam Fowler in this draft class... Stamkos, Hall, or Tavares...worst draft class in a decade..." are hilarious! Agreed there is no Crosby or Ovechkin, but to call this class weak is beyond lunacy.

Draft year points: Seguin 106 Johansen 69!! (92 his following year) Stamkos 105 Hall 106 Tavares 104

This year's crop: RNH 106 Huberdeau 105 Strome 106 Couturier 96

And this is not even cherrypicking data, it's measuring up this year's "weak" class against the elite of the past 3-4 years!

@ C-dog

Go back a few pages and read the comments from MBS on each of the top players. How many have 1st line potential?

While draft year points are nice, you have to look beyond that in evaluating players. Look at Robbie Schremp or Sam Gagner as examples from recent Oiler drafts. If you went by point totals alone both should be doing much better in the show.

This year has been pegged as a weak class by scouts and others for a while now. Will there be some very good players? Definitely. However, when MBS is pegging top 3 or 4 picks as likely 2nd line players (see Brownlee's interview summariess from a couple of weeks) then it is a weak class. The Oilers picking #1 this year is similar to the year that Bargnani went #1 to the Raptors. A lot of good to very good players but lacking in high end talent.W hile those picks help teams that have a few pieces in place, the Oilers need another high impact player at #1 overall and it is not clear right now if there actually is one.

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#53 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 04 2011, 06:31PM
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Crash wrote:

You're not prepared to wait long enough for any young player to become a so called V12...you'll be running Strome, Huberdeau, Couturier, or whoever out of town by year 3 in an attempt to "take your chances" on a top 5 kid in the 2014 draft.

5 yrs of no playoffs isn't enough? Losing is the norm here for most of the players. Time to keep/add those who won't accept losing so readily and gut the rest. Staying the course is for suckers, it's time for Tambellini and Lowe to get off their duffs and change the fortunes here. Nobody here believed it would ever get this bad.

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#54 Archaeologuy
June 04 2011, 06:59PM
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What's all this talk about there being a lot of players fighting for #1 status in this draft?

Did everyone fail to notice that 1 singular player has been deemed #1 by every major scouting service, the Mackenzie polled scouts, and the scouts Gregor has polled?

RNH is as close to "consensus #1 pick" as there has been since Stamkos was taken.

If the Oilers select anyone else, they are going off the board.

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#55 Stuart
June 04 2011, 09:28PM
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So when does Jets Nation launch?

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#56 C-Dog
June 04 2011, 10:08PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

@ C-dog

Go back a few pages and read the comments from MBS on each of the top players. How many have 1st line potential?

While draft year points are nice, you have to look beyond that in evaluating players. Look at Robbie Schremp or Sam Gagner as examples from recent Oiler drafts. If you went by point totals alone both should be doing much better in the show.

This year has been pegged as a weak class by scouts and others for a while now. Will there be some very good players? Definitely. However, when MBS is pegging top 3 or 4 picks as likely 2nd line players (see Brownlee's interview summariess from a couple of weeks) then it is a weak class. The Oilers picking #1 this year is similar to the year that Bargnani went #1 to the Raptors. A lot of good to very good players but lacking in high end talent.W hile those picks help teams that have a few pieces in place, the Oilers need another high impact player at #1 overall and it is not clear right now if there actually is one.

@ Ryan2

Totally agree that statistics have to be put into context, and can be misleading. Schremp was actually a 69pt guy in his draft year, 4th in team scoring. Two guys ahead of him were undrafted and a 9th round pick, repectively. Definitely not great when spun that way. On the surface, Gagner's 118pts look all-world, but was actually only 3rd in team scoring (27 behind Kane).

MBS projected RNH and Couturier as "first line centres" with the best case being "very good" and "good" first-liners, repectively. Huberdeau was pegged as a 2nd-line forward, possibly a first-line forward. Larsson was pegged a top-pairing D-man ("a 1 or a 2"). How are you reading this as "likely second line players"?

Brownlee also pointed out that MBS is likely to project cautiously, which is probably wise if you're in the scouting business. Do we know that he had previous top 5's projected higher as a group? I'm not aware if he did or not. If anyone has an MBS (or Bob McKenzie, etc.) quote on this I'd like to see it.

You could be quite right that this group could end up being good, but not elite. People have definitely been saying this for a while. Those saying "weak" are likely overstating things. But it will take a year or two (or more) before we actually know.

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#57 andrewmk20
June 04 2011, 10:13PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

I think the idea that is being brought to your attention is that if you gut the club completely and just put in kids the team is going to be losing for a much longer time than 5 years. I don't disagree that Tambellini needs to acquire at least 4-5 players but they shouldn't be rookies. They should be veterans that can fill roles and play hard. Ideally the Oilers would let go of JFJ, Storts, and Mac. Then try to acquire players like Boyd Gordon, Scott Upshall, Scott Hartnell, etc.

You seem to have those draft glasses on where during the month of June TSN and other draft analyzers make the kids in the draft sound better than they are. You have to remember that these networks have to sell these kids to get us to watch the network and their shows.

But dealing NHL players now for picks is insane as the Oilers have already mostly gut the team. I know as fans it doesn't seem like it but just look at the roster today as compared to at the beginning of 2009. It is vastly different. The only guys left are those that have contracts that are extremely difficult to move such as Gilbert, Horcoff, Souray, Khabi. While players like Cogliano, Gagner, and even Brule were kept on because they are still young and the Oilers are trying to determine where and how they will develop and fit in. Once again moves should be made but the team can't just be 18-20 year olds. The roster needs players on it that have clearly identified roles that they can play based upon their already developed skills. Like Vancouver, they could have just let Hodgson play this year in their bottom six but they acquired Malholtra because they couldn't be sure exactly what Cody could bring to the table this year whereas with Malholtra they knew exactly what he would bring to the team.

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#58 ed from edmonton
June 04 2011, 10:18PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

Didn't they "gut the rest" last year?

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#59 Dr. Oil
June 04 2011, 10:46PM
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@Lowetide

Glass half full?

With the Canucks having things fall into their laps like this, I'd say there's a hole in the glass.

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#60 The Duke of Hafford
June 04 2011, 10:50PM
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OilLeak wrote:

No way are the Oilers getting another top 5 pick unless Hemsky is part of the deal, lets take at needs of teams drafting below us:

2. Coloarado (Still rebuilding themselves and need high quality prospects)

3. Florida (Glorified AHL team at this point and Tallon is restocking the cupboards)

4. New Jersey ( Highest pick they've had in the last decade, however could use the pick to get themselves out of a troubling cap situation)

5.New York Islanders ( Garth Snow will continue his trend of pushing young players in the NHL, while trading away all the vets [sound familiar?])

6. Ottawa Senators ( Beginning their rebuild and need that Star Prospect [ Strome? Zibanejad?])

7. Winnipeg ( No way, no how are they trading this pick)

Which leaves Columbus at number 8. Could be in play, Columbus needs a puck moving defenseman and we don't have one to give up. I would think it would take at least Hemsky to get this pick as well.

The Boston pick could also be interesting depending who's left, but now you're talking about players that are out side the considered "Elite 8".

I think your assessment is pretty accurate. It will be pretty almost impossible for the Oilers to get another pick in the top 5.

Someone had a pretty decent suggestion a couple weeks ago for the Jersey pick that I think makes sense. We get #4 and jersey gets our #19 and our first round next year. Why this makes sense for Jersey is that they get a top 10 pick next year and will be able to forfeit their other pick to the league. Oilers are giving up a likely top 10 next year for the #4.

Another trade I was thinking about that could make sense is the Oilers making a trade for Columbus's or Boston's pick. Most likely involving Hemsky and something else. The Oilers then flipped that pick to Florida for Gudbranson. Florida has already run into problems with trying to sign him and would get a top ten pick in return.

With the Oilers being a 30th place team two years in a row, almost everyone on the team should be considered tradable. Its time for Tambo to get creative and make some things happen on this team. As for trading Hemsky, they need to do it. Hemsky is a good player but the team is not any worse when he isn't in the line up.

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#61 CanaDave
June 04 2011, 11:50PM
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I agree that the glass is at least half full, because drafting 1st overall means that no matter which direction the Oilers go in 3 weeks from now, they should get a player who will be a top flight contributor to the team for years to come.

Personally, I think that Larsson should go #1 overall because I believe defense wins championships and I believe Larsson makes the biggest impact on this team both next season and in 5, 10, and 15 seasons from now. I've heard all the arguments that D are easier to trade for or easier to find later in the draft, but there's just as many top end Forwards who've been traded for later in their careers or drafted at #19 or later.

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#62 Wes Mantooth
June 05 2011, 01:30AM
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Not to call out any names here because I enjoy reading everyone’s opinions here. But I got to say this.

Trading veteran talent for prospects is not dumb! What would the Oilers look like with Cory Perry on the team?

Pretty good I’d say.

How about Esa Tikkenan for a prospect named Doug Weight. You see you can do this all day for and against.

How well can a team of kids do? I don’t know why you don’t ask the 80’s Oilers how well a bunch of rookies can do.

Can anyone project how well a team of kids can do in the NHL? Can it be any worse then the team we iced with veteran players?

Do you see Hemsky resigning here? Do you see Hemsky being here in 3 years even? Not bloody likely! Why keep him then? Why not draft a great prospect if you can parlay a trade into a top 5 pick! That would be worse team management on the Oilers part.

If you also had a shot at a player who projected better the one of your current players would you not trade for that prospect as well? Would you have traded Gagner for say a shot at Taylor Hall?

Do you think any of the centers will project better then Gagner or just be all-round better? I say yes.

The veteran players the Oilers need are bottom 6 players and are not needed until year 3 so trading for them or bringing them in cost us development time for other kids and frankly makes us better which at this point does us no good.

No the team did not get gutted last year it got rid of complacency and cancer. A full gut would have included most of the remaining veterans; however they still needed bodies, but watch as contacts will soon get buried and bought out. The second phase of gutting the team will start. I still say NJ devils pick is there plus taking back cap fodder and a deal with Florida for Gudbranson.

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#63 andrewmk20
June 05 2011, 02:50AM
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@Wes Mantooth

yes but you didn't read his post. He wanted the Oilers to deal players for draft picks. Players like Doug Weight and Cory Perry were already developing prospects. Weight was 22 years old when he came over and Perry was about 19/20 when the deal was proposed. There was already an idea about these players and where they were going on a pro level.

Also it's also about putting in stop gap players on the roster. Marincin, Hamilton, Pitlick and co. are not ready for the NHL yet. Look at what Colorado did to Ryan O'Reilly by putting in the NHL too early. The Oilers also need veterans in the locker room to show what is already an incredibly young club how to conduct themselves. You forget that those Oilers clubs in the 80's did have veteran players around the youngsters.

The real NHL is not like the EA sports game. In real life balance is required for success and postings like this show a fundamental lack of understanding on how people learn. You don't come into your job and just start without any help. Any time you start with a company they train you and pair you up with a very experienced employee to show you the ropes on how to get things done efficiently and intelligently. Your trainer is very involved and greatly affects what type of employee you become, hockey is no different, veteran players and leaders are on the team for that.

Besides the Oilers rebuild is entering year three so you are kind of making the point that we do need veteran bottom 6 forwards to eat up some of those tough minutes that the kids aren't ready for.

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#64 Wes Mantooth
June 05 2011, 03:50AM
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@andrewmk20

Well, it’s no secret I agree with Quicksilver’s here.

Corry Perry could have been had prior to him playing a game in the NHL so no, they did not know about his upside then or obviously they would have traded for him. As for Doug Weight he played a total of 118 games for NYR (up and down to the AHL) hardly enough to project him as a 1st line center. However I said we can go back and forth on draft projects and veterans until the cows come home. I thought I was making it clear that I would deal players for draft picks in the top 5.

My point is why take 6 years to rebuild? Why not attain the draft picks now? Complete the top 6 forwards, especially the one that is the hardest to acquire the center position. Also, the presence of veteran leadership is a little overrated, the person most of the Oilers in the 80’s credit for making them become the hockey players and person they are to this day is Slats, not Willy “Cowboy” Flett, Peter Driscoll, Unger or Fogolin. No, they were surrounded by other kids there same age. They all had a skill set prior to coming and Slats showed them, not fricken Blair Macdonald. They didn’t need veterans to show them how to play the game; they need guidance provided by Slats.

Another thing where does EA sports come into the equation? Where did I say a trade that was unreasonable? Have you heard me say I think Brule and Smid should be traded for Shea Weber? That I would be considered an EA trade.

However, if Grudbranson can’t be signed to an entry level contract by Florida then he should available, for what price I’m sure would include the names Hemsky or Gagner. Moving into the top 5 would also require names like Gagner, Hemsky, How the Oilers and ST do that is up to them, but should it be done. Surround this team with like players ready to compete, and then take care of the bottom 6 and top 4 D-pairings the next year when we can pull out of this rebuild. This is the 2nd full year of a projected 5 to 6 year rebuild; it doesn’t have to be that way, it can be done quicker.

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#65 pelhem grenville
June 05 2011, 05:19AM
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my morning bowel movement was accompanied by deep thought...

... trade Sheldon Souray for Thomas Kaberle

... do it!

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#66 madjam
June 05 2011, 08:22AM
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Case scenario - Liles and Courturier to Oilers for Larsson . Hemsky, Smid , one first (19th)and one second ( our second ) to Florida for Landeskog and Gudblanson . D.Musil Oilers no.31 pick .

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#67 Archaeologuy
June 05 2011, 09:20AM
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Anyone still suggesting that the Oilers should trade the 1st overall pick and move down best start taking their meds. The 1st pick in the draft is far more valuable than the proposed returns Ive seen here would indicate.

Teams literally need to knock you over with a return in order to even think about it. That doesnt mean taking back questionable prospects like Gudbranson or players like Bogosian. It means robbing another team of their blue chippers and still asking for more.

Moving up from 19 by packaging it and 31 and throwing in 1 roster player who is older than 23 is reasonable. Adding anyone named Paajarvi, Eberle, or Gagner qualifies you for immediate lobotomy. Teams that move down rarely require more than the extra picks, so throwing in good young players is overkill.

That said, doing nothing on draft day still nets the Oilers 3 players in the top 31, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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#68 Clarkenstein
June 05 2011, 09:39AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Anyone still suggesting that the Oilers should trade the 1st overall pick and move down best start taking their meds. The 1st pick in the draft is far more valuable than the proposed returns Ive seen here would indicate.

Teams literally need to knock you over with a return in order to even think about it. That doesnt mean taking back questionable prospects like Gudbranson or players like Bogosian. It means robbing another team of their blue chippers and still asking for more.

Moving up from 19 by packaging it and 31 and throwing in 1 roster player who is older than 23 is reasonable. Adding anyone named Paajarvi, Eberle, or Gagner qualifies you for immediate lobotomy. Teams that move down rarely require more than the extra picks, so throwing in good young players is overkill.

That said, doing nothing on draft day still nets the Oilers 3 players in the top 31, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Agreed. 100%.

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#69 The Duke of Hafford
June 05 2011, 09:49AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Anyone still suggesting that the Oilers should trade the 1st overall pick and move down best start taking their meds. The 1st pick in the draft is far more valuable than the proposed returns Ive seen here would indicate.

Teams literally need to knock you over with a return in order to even think about it. That doesnt mean taking back questionable prospects like Gudbranson or players like Bogosian. It means robbing another team of their blue chippers and still asking for more.

Moving up from 19 by packaging it and 31 and throwing in 1 roster player who is older than 23 is reasonable. Adding anyone named Paajarvi, Eberle, or Gagner qualifies you for immediate lobotomy. Teams that move down rarely require more than the extra picks, so throwing in good young players is overkill.

That said, doing nothing on draft day still nets the Oilers 3 players in the top 31, and there is nothing wrong with that.

What about using the 19 and trading it in the other direction for Toronto's #25 and a 2nd round pick. Toronto has said they want to move up. The Oilers could target Ryan Sproul or Kelfbom at 25 and then John Gibson at 31. I would see if they can use existing players to get another pick in the 10 - 15 range to try get get someone like McNeil.

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#70 michael
June 05 2011, 09:53AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

my morning bowel movement was accompanied by deep thought...

... trade Sheldon Souray for Thomas Kaberle

... do it!

The sh@t must be coming from somewhere other than your colon. Kaberle is a free agent at the end of the season. You want him. You can offer him a contract. But why would you. He has been totally exposed for what he is. A 3-4 Defenceman. Do you think Boston might be regretting what they paid for him? He was supposed to help thier PP. Boston is below %9 since he joined the club.If we have learned one thing over the years its this. Toronto overhypes thier players. On the subject of Souray. If he can't be dealt at the draft, Tambo will do the same thing he did this year. Put him on recallable waivers and see who will bite for 2.25 million. Or he'll send him to purgatory again and we'll eat his 4.5 million for another season and then be done with him.

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#71 michael
June 05 2011, 10:16AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Anyone still suggesting that the Oilers should trade the 1st overall pick and move down best start taking their meds. The 1st pick in the draft is far more valuable than the proposed returns Ive seen here would indicate.

Teams literally need to knock you over with a return in order to even think about it. That doesnt mean taking back questionable prospects like Gudbranson or players like Bogosian. It means robbing another team of their blue chippers and still asking for more.

Moving up from 19 by packaging it and 31 and throwing in 1 roster player who is older than 23 is reasonable. Adding anyone named Paajarvi, Eberle, or Gagner qualifies you for immediate lobotomy. Teams that move down rarely require more than the extra picks, so throwing in good young players is overkill.

That said, doing nothing on draft day still nets the Oilers 3 players in the top 31, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I agree with that opinion. The wild card appears not so much what we would want to do but what other teams might be willing, wanting or needing to do. Firstly.Washington. Bluueline depth. Non existemt. They were totally exposed in the playoffs. Secondary scoring. They had none.Goaltending? Do we need to comment. Secondly. Philly. Goaltending. Nuff said. Thirdly. Columbus.No puck moving dman.Fourth. New Jersey. Salary cap issues on a grand scale. Parise is an RFA. He got 5 this year. They are ripe for the picking. Fifth.Montreal. Size, size and more size.Sixth. L.A..Anyone see the Dustin Penner comments from D.L the G.M.? They have players they need to sign. Or would like to sign. Like Brad Richards. Or move like Ryan Smyth.Lastly. The Rangers. Who covet Brad Richards also but also have cap issues.

There are alot of scenarios out there that could involve the Oilers. Some teams are more deparate than others(New Jersey). The draft is where I see Tambo doing the most work this off season. July 1st is a non starter. He won't be looking to sign free agents. So I think that we see a more active Tambo this draft.

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#72 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 05 2011, 10:34AM
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Can't help but feel there's an opportunity here to pull this vehicle out of the ditch and get her shiney side up again.

1) The one deal that solves 2 issues for us is the Panther deal, i'd give Florida most anything they want for that third selection and Gudbranson. Paajarvi,Smid,Brule the 19th. 3 roster players for a similar amount to what it would cost to just sign Gudbranson, heck, i'd even take a contract back from the Panthers if it help sweeten that deal up for them.

2) Hemsky,Plante and the 31st to Columbus for the 8th selection, maybe even take back a salary dump in a Commodore type.

The Oiler roster if these 2 deals could get done would include.....

Taylor Hall,Jordan Eberle,Ryan Nugent-Hopkins,Sean Couturier,Erik Gudbranson and with Columbus' 8th,the Oilers could grab whoevers left from Seimens,Hamilton,MacNeil etc. This group of prospects is as good as any 5-6 yr rebuild plan i could think of. Some will make the lineup this year and some it will be next yr.....we have enoughs guys going into the last yr of their contracts to make it work.

Bring in Ryan Smyth either this summer or next and make efforts to bring in Scottie Upshall,Scott Hartnell or similar type guys who can play on the first or second line if needed. If things go south as expected this season we'll have yet another lottery pick to add to the 6 kids that actually together now resembles a decent core group going forward. The fans paying the freight here in Edmonton atleast deserve an effort be made. A playoff team in 2 yrs and in 3 yrs this group will be guilty of creating considable damage in the playoffs, Taylor Hall is leading a group of kids that should keep Taylor here long after he's eligible for free agency.

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#73 Archaeologuy
June 05 2011, 10:48AM
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The Duke of Hafford wrote:

What about using the 19 and trading it in the other direction for Toronto's #25 and a 2nd round pick. Toronto has said they want to move up. The Oilers could target Ryan Sproul or Kelfbom at 25 and then John Gibson at 31. I would see if they can use existing players to get another pick in the 10 - 15 range to try get get someone like McNeil.

Now THAT is an interesting suggestion. I havent heard anyone in here propose moving down with the 19th.

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#74 michael
June 05 2011, 12:39PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Now THAT is an interesting suggestion. I havent heard anyone in here propose moving down with the 19th.

It might be the better option. It may give us a couple more picks in the 2cd and third rounds. especially if were talking Ottawa. who I believe have 2 picks in the second round. Or trade that 19th to Columbus for thier 1st round pick next year. I'd gamble that Columbus is a bottom 10 team next year.I don;t see them makingthe playoffs,

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#75 andrewmk20
June 05 2011, 12:41PM
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@Wes Mantooth

But how does that quicken the rebuild. It slows it down. Prospects normally take around 5 years to find their game unless they are special kind of players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Steven Stamkos or a Patrick Kane. The majority of high end prospects take time like a Van Riemsdyk, Turris, Brassard, Gagner, Hedman, etc. The Oilers should try to find some veteran players to help fill holes because the Oilers prospects aren't all going to be ready in the next 1-2 years. And despite scouting reports you never know what you are going to get until these draft prospects reach rookie camp and then if they are good enough main camp. Your proposal is about rushing kids into the NHL... ummmm... Sam Gagner anyone? It's not a good idea to force kids in when they aren't ready and there is never a set timetable on when they are ready but more often then not it takes patience and a fair amount of time.

Besides the only 2 players that NHL scouts feel are physically ready for the rigors of the NHL are Larsson and Landeskog.

Also prospects that are highly touted can struggle and all of a sudden aren't highly touted anymore. The lustre has worn off of LA Kings once big blue chip prospects Thomas Hickey, Colton Teubert, and Voynov. While all three are still considered players who will eventually make the move they aren't talked about like they were before due to some struggles in the AHL.

I'm not saying they shouldn't leave opportunities for kids like Hartikainen, who is ready for the show, but they should acquire depth so that there is real competition in training camp because as of now the Oilers lineup is predictable because they don't have enough NHL calibre ready forwards so guys like Colin Fraser, JFJ, Reddox, Stortini, and Mac were all in the top 14 this past year.

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#76 andrewmk20
June 05 2011, 12:46PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

The problem is that Dale Tallon is a guy who prefers draft picks over players. I was watching the Draft last year and the TSN panel made a comment about that and his trades also prove it as he was content with moving live bodies for picks since taking over as the Florida GM. It's going to be extremely tough to pry any picks out of his hand. But if Gudbranson is refusing to sign then it seems it won't require the Oilers to sell the farm. The 19th and a prospect would do it since Tim Erixon only required a mid level prospect and two 2nd round picks.

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#77 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 05 2011, 01:17PM
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@andrewmk20

I know where you're coming from. I'd be satisfied leaving Paajarvi off the table if it's just Gudbranson we're after. Maybe doing the two deal approach would help land Couturier in a seperate deal. Hemsky to Columbus for the 8th, then flip the 8th plus a roster player/picks to get us into that top 5 for Couturier.

Things have never been more difficult here, just feel we'll acheive more with some kinds words and a gun than we will with just some kind words in trade talks. The Oiler crest has been soiled considerably these last 3 yrs, to sit by and hear people say it's acceptable for let it remain like that for as many as 5 more yrs screams incompetence to me.

Beg, borrow or steal, what we're watching here is unacceptable. Get your gun ready andrewmk20, you and i will fix this thing ourselves;)

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#78 Wax Man Riley
June 05 2011, 01:26PM
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Can't help but feel there's an opportunity here to pull this vehicle out of the ditch and get her shiney side up again.

1) The one deal that solves 2 issues for us is the Panther deal, i'd give Florida most anything they want for that third selection and Gudbranson. Paajarvi,Smid,Brule the 19th. 3 roster players for a similar amount to what it would cost to just sign Gudbranson, heck, i'd even take a contract back from the Panthers if it help sweeten that deal up for them.

2) Hemsky,Plante and the 31st to Columbus for the 8th selection, maybe even take back a salary dump in a Commodore type.

The Oiler roster if these 2 deals could get done would include.....

Taylor Hall,Jordan Eberle,Ryan Nugent-Hopkins,Sean Couturier,Erik Gudbranson and with Columbus' 8th,the Oilers could grab whoevers left from Seimens,Hamilton,MacNeil etc. This group of prospects is as good as any 5-6 yr rebuild plan i could think of. Some will make the lineup this year and some it will be next yr.....we have enoughs guys going into the last yr of their contracts to make it work.

Bring in Ryan Smyth either this summer or next and make efforts to bring in Scottie Upshall,Scott Hartnell or similar type guys who can play on the first or second line if needed. If things go south as expected this season we'll have yet another lottery pick to add to the 6 kids that actually together now resembles a decent core group going forward. The fans paying the freight here in Edmonton atleast deserve an effort be made. A playoff team in 2 yrs and in 3 yrs this group will be guilty of creating considable damage in the playoffs, Taylor Hall is leading a group of kids that should keep Taylor here long after he's eligible for free agency.

Quicks... with the deals you mentioned, you just put the rebuild back another year or 2. Your lineup is made of rookies and sophomores. You just gave up 4 roster players, players that have proven they can play in the NHL, for picks that won't be effective for a couple of years still. This is contradicting what you have been saying about speeding the rebuild up.

Trade the 1st overall for Parise and NJ's 4th.

RFA Weber. Give up the next 4 years of 1st round picks for him.

Throw $10M a year at the best free agent on the market this year.

This would be speeding it up.... however I don't agree with any of it except maybe the Jersey deal.

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#79 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 05 2011, 01:42PM
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@Wax Man Riley

I hear what you're saying. I just believe that of the six/seven newbs on the team, perhaps 3 turn into elite players. It may take a couple yrs to get there but once there, we should be up in that top eight in the league. 3 elite players put us up with the better teams in the league. The others will find their way on this club in support roles i'm sure. So yes, you're correct it would set us back a full yr but i can promise you one thing, it should restore the pride in this franchise a hell of alot sooner than those other two bozos have planned. If Jeff Skinner can beat the odds, i'll take my chances these kids will as well. Paajarvi is the only unknown leaving here, the other 3 are support players and easily/already replaced if need be.

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#80 Tobias
June 05 2011, 02:08PM
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I find it funny there's a similarly titled Canucks article on TSN... except it's talking about the STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS and not the results of finishing last in the league for the 2nd year in a row!

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#81 dawgbone
June 06 2011, 08:59AM
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@ C-dog

Go back a few pages and read the comments from MBS on each of the top players. How many have 1st line potential?

While draft year points are nice, you have to look beyond that in evaluating players. Look at Robbie Schremp or Sam Gagner as examples from recent Oiler drafts. If you went by point totals alone both should be doing much better in the show.

This year has been pegged as a weak class by scouts and others for a while now. Will there be some very good players? Definitely. However, when MBS is pegging top 3 or 4 picks as likely 2nd line players (see Brownlee's interview summariess from a couple of weeks) then it is a weak class. The Oilers picking #1 this year is similar to the year that Bargnani went #1 to the Raptors. A lot of good to very good players but lacking in high end talent.W hile those picks help teams that have a few pieces in place, the Oilers need another high impact player at #1 overall and it is not clear right now if there actually is one.

Schremp scored 75 points his draft year.

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#82 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 06 2011, 11:23AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

I think the idea that is being brought to your attention is that if you gut the club completely and just put in kids the team is going to be losing for a much longer time than 5 years. I don't disagree that Tambellini needs to acquire at least 4-5 players but they shouldn't be rookies. They should be veterans that can fill roles and play hard. Ideally the Oilers would let go of JFJ, Storts, and Mac. Then try to acquire players like Boyd Gordon, Scott Upshall, Scott Hartnell, etc.

You seem to have those draft glasses on where during the month of June TSN and other draft analyzers make the kids in the draft sound better than they are. You have to remember that these networks have to sell these kids to get us to watch the network and their shows.

But dealing NHL players now for picks is insane as the Oilers have already mostly gut the team. I know as fans it doesn't seem like it but just look at the roster today as compared to at the beginning of 2009. It is vastly different. The only guys left are those that have contracts that are extremely difficult to move such as Gilbert, Horcoff, Souray, Khabi. While players like Cogliano, Gagner, and even Brule were kept on because they are still young and the Oilers are trying to determine where and how they will develop and fit in. Once again moves should be made but the team can't just be 18-20 year olds. The roster needs players on it that have clearly identified roles that they can play based upon their already developed skills. Like Vancouver, they could have just let Hodgson play this year in their bottom six but they acquired Malholtra because they couldn't be sure exactly what Cody could bring to the table this year whereas with Malholtra they knew exactly what he would bring to the team.

I had the same thing in mind. The 5 additions i had in mind were Hopkins,Couturier,Gudbranson,Ryan Smyth and Scott Hartnell. Let Brule,Fraser,Foster etc play out their contracts and be on their way. As these kids mature they'll bypass the exiting players contributions i believe.

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