Simply The Best

Lowetide
June 07 2011 07:37PM

This is Shawn Horcoff before the turn of the century. Although many Oiler fans have been calling for his head since 2007, Horcoff remains the best center in town. Will that change any time soon? 

Shawn Horcoff is the most complete center on the Oilers roster. He faced the toughest opponents, had the best faceoff percentage, was entrusted with the elite calibre rookies. In every demonstrable way, Shawn Horcoff was the leader of the Edmonton Oilers. Again.

Center: 5x5 scoring (points-per-60 minutes)

  1. Sam Gagner 1.91
  2. Shawn Horcoff 1.47
  3. Andrew Cogliano 1.33
  4. Colin Fraser 0.48

Center: Quality of Competition

  1. Shawn Horcoff .057
  2. Andrew Cogliano .022
  3. Sam Gagner -.013
  4. Colin Fraser -.086

Center CorsiRel

  1. Sam Gagner 7.0
  2. Shawn Horcoff 7.0
  3. Andrew Cogliano 2.3
  4. Colin Fraser -9.6

Center: Scoring Chances

  1. Shawn Horcoff 199-186 .517
  2. Andrew Cogliano 290-329 .468
  3. Sam Gagner 271-317 .461
  4. Colin Fraser 90-135 .400

The first three sets of numbers are courtesy Gabriel Desjardins behind the net, the final numbers (scoring chances) are from the brilliant work at C&B.

What does it all mean?

The Oilers have two very young centermen trying to grow up quickly in Gagner and Cogliano. Gags numbers show the offensive ability and a fine CorsiRel, but he faced easy competition and the scoring chance numbers should have been better. Was this a result of his struggles with the two Swedish kids? Don't know. We are reaching a point where even the most stubborn Gagner supporters (me, Zona, a few others) should begin to wonder if he's going to be the player forecast those years ago. I'm still betting on him.

Cogliano is making progress, and I think coach Renney has been helpful in the process. Cogs isn't scoring a lot and his scoring chance totals are about the same as Gagner's but he did it in tougher waters. It's small progress but there's a heartbeat.

Colin Fraser's numbers are disappointing but we also have to remember that the man was playing with some subpar linemates for much of the season. Edmonton's depth forwards were among the worst in the NHL.

This is Gilbert Perreault as a Montreal Junior Canadien, shortly before Buffalo drafted him in 1970. There is no 20-year old Gilbert Perreault in this draft, so the Oilers options for improving center involve the following:

  1. Signing a free agent like Brooks Laich.
  2. Trading for a qualitied veteran center.
  3. Trusting that Gagner-Cogliano can improve this coming season.
  4. Inserting Anton Lander in the mix and hoping for the best.
  5. Allowing the number one overall pick to stick with the big club if he impresses.
  6. Moving Taylor Hall to center full time.
  7. Go crazy and offer the moon for Mike Richards.

I think option six looms large.

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#51 Bucknuck
June 08 2011, 04:05PM
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Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!" wrote:

Personally I am not ready to trade any of the HOPE kids but some of the others maybe. The deal has to for once be logical.

Did you know if they trade Omark and draft Larsson, then it won't be HOPE anymore... it will be HELP.

Now does that mean that they need help... or that they are going to help?

Hmmm... pick RNH, just in case.

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#52 @Oilanderp
June 08 2011, 08:01PM
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I'm gonna take a ferry over to Vancouver and start burning things. Let the mayhem begin! AAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

All it takes is one bad apple.

EDIT: Muhahahahhahaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa..... haaaa *cough* My mother taught me not to take pleasure in other people's misfortune but I can't help it.

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#53 Chris.
June 08 2011, 08:17PM
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Is it too much to ask for Luongo to collapse again in the 3rd thus creating a full fledged goal tending controversy for game 5?

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#54 Chris.
June 08 2011, 08:49PM
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Marchand reminds me of Ray Ferraro. The Little Ball Of Hate 2.0.

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#55 Peterborough
June 08 2011, 09:36PM
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John Chambers wrote:

& @ Indiana Jones

I agree with Ricky 100%. I see no reason to rush Nugent into the NHL next year. Too young ... he would enter the NHL a full 8 months younger than Hall. I somewhat agree with Arch's logic that anyone should be able to earn a spot, but organizationally you also have to consider a longer-term development plan. Seguin hardly got any ice this year - perhaps he would've been better in the O again.

My lineup at Centre for opening night would be: 1) Horcoff 2) Gagner 3) Tim Connolly, signed as a UFA on a 1-year deal 4) Lander

Cogliano moves to the wing on the 3rd line, Foster is in OKC or waived, and Nugent of course is a Rebel, and plies his trade for Red Deer.

Not Connolly he's small injury prone and not physical. I'm not concerned about winning next year its not going to happen. Just get a big centre who can win draws and play physical and chip in a bit. Brooks Laich at 2 years 3.5 per or so a bit of an over pay but when its up guys like RNH and other should be ready. Also I see no reason to rush in Lander. Start him in the AHL and make him play his way on to the club. Cogs was our best player over the final 15 games with really tough assignments. Lets try and be team don't give up on a guy who actually tries. . . . or go back to being team I miss Penner the lazy bum who has tallent but chooses to eat lots of Pizza instead.

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#56 Dano
June 07 2011, 07:48PM
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Looking at the depth chart I just don't see much wriggle room unless someone gets shipped out. I would assume that Gags and Horc are definitely her for next year, but I don't see a position for Fraser on this team. That leaves cogs. Now, if he stays, and RNH gets drafted (assuming that the most recent reports are true and he is both NHL ready and Edmonton's probable first choice) then I can't see that foursome being competitive in any capacity. Best case scenario: Fraser gets traded, or demoted, Cogs (god love him) gets shipped out and we get a better version of him (that being someone with size, better defensive game and a much better face off percentage). But that still leaves RNH, Horc and Gags as your top 3. Still leaves much to be desired in my humble opinion.

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#57 ItsTheBGB
June 07 2011, 07:49PM
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Option 5 and 6.

Proposed this on HFboards. Getting flamed hard right now, but LT, what about offering Paajarvi + for Jeff Carter considering Bryzgalov will want north of 5mil making Philly over the cap.

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#58 DangerMan
June 07 2011, 07:49PM
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1. Not happening 2. Sure, I guess 3. I hope not 4. Probably a 4th liner to start 5. Should be doable, its not like the comptetion is all that tough. 6. How about Paajarvi instead. 7. Look at #2.

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#60 oilbaron
June 07 2011, 07:52PM
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I think horcoff should be our teams 3rd line center and be used in a shutdown role. Give gagner more minutes with the top end talent on this team for 3/4 of the year and see if it jump starts his offense.

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#62 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
June 07 2011, 07:57PM
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Option 6 is much like the B's putting Chara in front of the net on the PP, rather than having him blast 105+ mph slap shots from the point - serious misuse of a HUGE talent/asset!

None of those options seems likely. I guess this is why next year is only year 2 of a 4 - 5 year rebuild. No panic here. Just make sure you do it right, ST and Co.

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#63 Oilfan00
June 07 2011, 08:10PM
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Brad Richards*

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#64 T.C.
June 07 2011, 08:19PM
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totally off topic but was on hockey fights.com and big mac won best ko of the year and most punishing fighter of the year!yeah the oil won something.

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#65 Wes Mantooth
June 07 2011, 08:51PM
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Lowtide said;

The key imo is to find a quality 2-way center who can play multiple roles. Win faceoffs, kill penalties, score 15 goals. He might play some nights on the 3line and other nights on a scoring line and he could move up when injuries happen (and they always happen).

Kyle Brodziak, that kind of guy

I thought we had that guy..his name is Horcoff

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#66 Travis Dakin
June 07 2011, 09:18PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

To answer the "what does it mean" question...

Wait I know I know!

Shawn "IliftweightswithBatman" Horcoff is your best centre....

The answer is.....Last place two years in a row!

Or, when everybody is healthy and he had a team around him, he was the number 1 centre on a team that went to game 7 of the Stanley cup final. Scored 71 points. He can play.

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#67 The Goat - Team FIST
June 07 2011, 09:18PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Here you go David.

The sooner this kid is outta here the better. He'll be taking valuable icetime away from the future of this hockey club, Hall,Gagner,Hopkins and/or Sean Couturier plus whatever happens this summer. There's no denying this Kevin Lowe effort will do much more harm than good in the very near future here, make that in just 2 yrs from now. I'd hesitate even keeping him at half of what he's due over the balance of this contract. One could argue that close to every friggen cent of the money the Oilers made from that 06 playoff run has gone straight into Shawn Horcoffs pockets. Horcoff needs to be gone so those minutes can be utilized by players whom will be part of the future of this club and move forward. Hall and Eberles comments about Horcoff this past year were probably more of a professional courtesy than how they really actually felt i'm sure. Get this poor mans whatever you want to call him as far away from these kids as possible. What's he going to teach them, how to get hurt, or how to slow the game down so he can keep up? We're far better off burying Shawn in the minors and bringing Ryan Smyth back.

#BOOM

#goilers!

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#68 Wes Mantooth
June 07 2011, 09:23PM
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Chris. wrote:

Love him, or hate him; you can't deny: this team needs more Horcoffs.

Do we? I am not knocking what Horcoff brings to the table.

But, we scored the least amount of goals in the NHL while giving up the second most.

We need players playing in the correct positions/places.

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#69 michael
June 07 2011, 09:39PM
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ItsTheBGB wrote:

Option 5 and 6.

Proposed this on HFboards. Getting flamed hard right now, but LT, what about offering Paajarvi + for Jeff Carter considering Bryzgalov will want north of 5mil making Philly over the cap.

This trade is strange. Philly is so hard against the cap and adding Bryzgalov to the lineup makes little sense. How much do they think the cap is going to rise next season? As to the Oilers center woes. Patience. There is a deal to be made with Philly and it isn't for Richards. I would target Braydon Coulborn. Young dman wit alot grit who would pair well with Peckham. At 3.4 he is a little overpaid but we could easily absord that salary. Especially since we will have souray off the books at the end of the year at 4.25 million. Philly will be looking for picks or prospects. I like a deal that see Coulborn come to end in exchange for our 19th pick.

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#70 They're $hittie
June 07 2011, 09:40PM
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Center - GAGNER #1 needs the icetime with good players not babysitting fringe AHL to NHL rookies who made the team because how bad the oilers are, not saying paajarvi is bad but would not have made a lot of rosters last year and spent time in AHL. HORCOFF number two to start the year. RNH number three than up to two with proper growth. LANDER number four to provide faceoff and penalty kill options. Hopefully Pitlick can replace Horcoff with this core group in a year of so.

LW - HALL obviously, Paajarvi, Jones, Hartikanen, SMAC

RW - Hemsky, Eberle, Omark, Brule

Brule and Cogs need to be moved. And why not try your best offensive player at each postion as a line. Hall Hemsky Gagner

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#71 They're $hittie
June 07 2011, 09:43PM
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If Philly is looking for cap dump, than the other team holds all the cards. Especially with Phillys goalie history. A second rounder may do it and it might not even need to be 31st.

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#72 Oilfan00
June 07 2011, 09:51PM
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I wouldnt be trading any of the young kids right now, we are not 1 or 2 players away so no point in fishing (build the team then trade prospects) I think a trade with Philly could be in the books, hopefully they sign Bryz.

1st Line-Hall-Horcoff-Eberle 2nd Line-Hartikainen-Gagner-Hemsky 3rd Line-Paajarvi-RNH-Omark (Too young but no real options) 4th Line-Jones-Fraser-Cogs/Brule

This is assuming the Oilers draft RNH and do nothing, I would prefer:

1st Line-Hall-Horcoff-Eberle 2nd Line-Upshall-Gagner-Hemsky 3rd Line-Paajarvi-Laich-Omark 4th Line-Hartaikanen-Konopka-Jones

Send RNH to junior or play him on the wing for half the season.

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#73 Wes Mantooth
June 07 2011, 09:52PM
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@They're $hittie

Gagner did not exactly light it up with Hall or Eberle last year do so.

Both Hall and Eberle were rookies so that point makes no sense.

Paajaarvi is not a "fringe" NHLer and far from a AHLer.

And a # 3 center is usually left for your checking center with the most responsibility in shutting down he oppositions best players, now I'm not an NHL coach but putting RNH in that spot might not be the best for your team.

Horcoff is your best bet at # 3 once your top 2 get established.

Lander or Cogs should be #4

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#74 Eddie Shore
June 07 2011, 10:09PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

Or, when everybody is healthy and he had a team around him, he was the number 1 centre on a team that went to game 7 of the Stanley cup final. Scored 71 points. He can play.

That was 5 years ago. He is NOT the same player he was then. He just isn't no matter how much everyone(including me) wants him to be.

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#75 canuck all the way!
June 07 2011, 10:29PM
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Just like I said

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#76 knobby
June 07 2011, 10:31PM
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Beating the bushes for pro centremen seems to find the Oil braintrust challenged to say the least. One step in the right direction is the signing late in the season of the unsigned players who played in OK city. Hopefully one of them finds his pro game and makes the show.

Getting an established player to sign here as a free agent seems almost insurmountable at this point in time. Someone currently playing in Angola might find Edmonton an upgrade.

Sharpening up the pro-side scouting staff would be a good place to start. They need to set their sights a little higher in that department.

Which begs the question, is the pro scouting staff sub-standard or has the organization taken a pre-determined course to hockey purgatory in the hope they have the skill to pull out of the nosedive at some future point?

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#78 They're $hittie
June 07 2011, 11:49PM
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Wes Mantooth wrote:

Gagner did not exactly light it up with Hall or Eberle last year do so.

Both Hall and Eberle were rookies so that point makes no sense.

Paajaarvi is not a "fringe" NHLer and far from a AHLer.

And a # 3 center is usually left for your checking center with the most responsibility in shutting down he oppositions best players, now I'm not an NHL coach but putting RNH in that spot might not be the best for your team.

Horcoff is your best bet at # 3 once your top 2 get established.

Lander or Cogs should be #4

Yes they were rookies, but hall is in an elite class and eberle has ahl experience and a full junior career. Omark and Paajarvi have never played the north american game. ANd youve got to remember when gagner played with hall and eberle, he had to be the defensive one. no offensve rookie has their hands tied. Remember gagners rookie year, point production and no D. So ya he had to babysit. And with MP slow start, on a good team he would have been in the AHL, there was talks about this all year on this site and arguments went both ways. He was a fringe player for the year not for his career. And as for RNH as a number 3 I said this is on a depth chart. He is not going to be a checking line center but third in even minutes on the team until they see him ready.

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#79 Brad
June 08 2011, 12:40AM
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Horcoff is a 3rd line center that doesn't hit, win draws, or score goals. He's also been horrible on the PK the last couple years and has injury concerns as well.

Basically, he's worthless.

He's not even as good as Souray.

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#80 Mrs. Potato Dick
June 08 2011, 01:04AM
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Brad wrote:

Horcoff is a 3rd line center that doesn't hit, win draws, or score goals. He's also been horrible on the PK the last couple years and has injury concerns as well.

Basically, he's worthless.

He's not even as good as Souray.

I totally disagree. While grossly overpaid and often injured, Horcoff is a great asset for a variety of reasons. Much better than Souray...nice troll job there. At half price Horcoff would be gone. Healthy Horcoff = awesome. I'd prefer to see him slide to number two on the center depth chart though.

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#81 J-Dogg
June 08 2011, 02:43AM
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"You just simply don't find #1 centers anywhere but in the draft unless you want to pay them 8 million for a hundred years."

please refer to #7.

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#82 Peterborough
June 08 2011, 04:33AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

How to improve at C? If only the #1 rated player in this year's draft was a Center. That sure would make things easier. Too bad RNH is a...oh, wait, he's a Center.

Gagner was on pace for career year (even while playing with rookies for long stretches) before Jones got a little shanky on the bench, and the Oil will draft a future 1C in RNH. I dont think the Oilers can count on Horcoff to be a difference maker since his FO% and scoring has been trending down, but he's obviously still a useful enough player. Moving forward the answers down the middle will be Gagner and RNH. If that doesnt work out then there is no safety net to fall back on. The eggs are in that basket whether we like it or not.

I think you are right but the best move would be to keep RNH in junior for another year, no need to start the clock on him just yet that also gives us a buffer between him and the prized three. Give him a year to get bigger and stronger and a year for the rest of the team to get better.

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#83 mayorpoop
June 08 2011, 05:23AM
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horcoff serves purpose, and has a role to play on a very young team (although a diminishing role). I'm not a huge horc booster but he is not the goat he is percieved to be....hustle, heart...basically a very good third line center.

as far as RNH having to return to the minors, it is far to early to say HE MUST or HE SHOULD, i will decide in the fall when those decisions SHOULD be made.

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#84 Oilers Forever
June 08 2011, 06:56AM
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I am true Oilers fan, however, I read a report that Edmonton is the Long Island of the North and I started thinking about it and it is true. Edmonton will always be a training ground for high draft picks and will accumulate overpaid washed up veterans (Horcoff). we have a lot of similarities to our brothers in South, they too were a force in eighties and won several stanley cups but unfortunatly it is only a memory now and don't see things changing anytime soon with the current team structure. Frustrating.

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#85 russ99
June 08 2011, 07:42AM
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IMO Gagner is eventually going to be moved to RW, as that position is more suited to his style of play and he can't make up deficiencies at the center position at this point in his development.

We sorely need a 2nd line center, and a veteran crafty 3rd/4th line guy to show Lander the ropes.

If the Oilers draft RNH, he's not going to fill that 1/2 role for at least a year, which should figure in the Oilers FA decisions.

Personally, I'd prefer Larsson drafted at #1 and a deal for an younger yet experienced #2 center.

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#86 justDOit
June 08 2011, 07:51AM
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Gags deserves a little more time to develop, but not much - this year should show it. It's been shown that kids who get thrown into the NHL at 18 often take a little longer to come into their own.

Cogs = gone. Sorry, but that skating isn't going to get any better and his vision/hands are second to most.

Fraser = AHL.

Lander: come on down!

Hall: stay on the wing!

Paajarvi: let's give him a stretch of games at center and see what happens.

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#87 VMR
June 08 2011, 08:44AM
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Yo guys he started his post talking about the Islanders, maybe that's the team that was a powerhouse in the 80's that he's talking about.

There are a lot of similarities as he said and a lot to learn. They've been floundering a long time and whats kept them at the bottom was bad drafting and trading away good prospects for nothing or chasing after the whale (Yashin for Chara and Spezza)

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#88 freeze
June 08 2011, 08:49AM
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Philly has some great forwards but we should really try and poach a defenseman.

Although this conversation is moot because Tambo can't pull off a decent trade to make this team better.

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#89 Ender
June 08 2011, 08:51AM
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@Archaeologuy

You're bang on the money with your comments in this thread. Strong props for a strong take.

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#90 Brad
June 08 2011, 09:12AM
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David S wrote:

At the risk of being Captain Obvious, the following ground rule should have been laid out for this thread:

Shawn Horcoff will not be: a) Traded b) Bought out c) "Buried in the minors"

His contract is so bad I doubt even NHL 2011 software would allow a deal.

He's here for the duration. Deal with it.

Deal with being a lottery club the next 4 years.

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#91 dawgbone
June 08 2011, 09:14AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to believe Shaun will be bought out after the 2012-2013 season, by then the Oilers may need that cap space. With only 7 million due over those last two yrs of his deal, i think the Oilers would gladly buy him out at 4.75 and drastically reduce that 5.5 cap hit the last two yrs. The sooner this devastating contract is in the rear view mirror the better.

According to capgeek to buy him out at the end of 2012-13 it would cost them 2.67 mil in cap space in 2013-14 and 3.67 mil in cap space in 2014-15 and then a further 1.67 mil the following 2 seasons.

Buyouts rarely make much sense.

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#92 Souby
June 08 2011, 09:29AM
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Bucknuck wrote:

THIS ONE IS FOR ALL YOU CLOWNS SAYING HORCOFF IS USELESS!

Did you read the article? Lowetide just demonstrated that #10 is our best centre.

The point is that in order to win this team needs to ADD skill to the middle. Trading away or burying the captain (our best centre) does not accomplish this. Neither does giving him less TOI.

Wake up.

Gagner has been getting sheltered minutes and still his progress appears to have stalled. Fraser was useless, and Cogliano appears to have become a fourth line defensive centre. Playing these three more would result in MORE LOSSES. Why would anyone suggest that?

Yeah Horc's contract is an overpay. Woop-de-friggin-do. They are nowhere near the cap so that fact is IRRELEVANT at this point.

Yes I meant to shout.

Well said man. If the Oil were up against the cap ceiling then Horc's contract becomes a real issue. Is it an overpay?....Yes. Is he the best C we have? Yes. He is a leader on and off of the ice, gives everything he has every night and is well respected around the league.

Personally I think the guy we trade is Gagner. I like the guy but we need to get bigger up the middle so I would like to see them package Gags and a pick(s)/prospect(s) to get a bigger, skilled C. I think they still need to draft RNH as well, but if they improve at C now, they won't feel pressured to rush RNH along. Give him a couple of years to fill out and get more experience and then bring him up.

Just my two cents...

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#93 Brad
June 08 2011, 09:30AM
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"With 20 million in Cap space, in a world where the Cap only goes up (no matter how many teams are failing to make money), Shawn Horcoff's contract is not hindering the club in any way."

That's like saying Khabby's contract doesn't hinder us in any way.

In reality, as long as he's under contract we're unlikely to replace him.

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#94 Brad
June 08 2011, 09:38AM
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The mods can delete my posts if they want.

Don't want to mess with the hive mentality and forgot to bring my pom poms.

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#95 Bucknuck
June 08 2011, 09:38AM
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@Brad

Yeah, but have you seen anything suggesting Khabibulin is our best Goaltender? Your comparison holds no water.

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#96 John Chambers
June 08 2011, 09:42AM
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ItsTheBGB wrote:

Option 5 and 6.

Proposed this on HFboards. Getting flamed hard right now, but LT, what about offering Paajarvi + for Jeff Carter considering Bryzgalov will want north of 5mil making Philly over the cap.

I think a trade with Philly is good out-of-the-box thinking. A smart GM has to take advantage of opportunities - a team over the cap limit pre-supposes a tremendous opportunity.

Prime example - Atlanta fleeced Chicago last year when Chi was up agains the cap for two cornerstones of the Winnipeg franchise - Andrew Ladd and Dustin Buff.

As for a defenseman - not Timmonen, Coburn maybe, Carle maybe as well. I wouldn't want to give up Paajarvi, or Marincin, or even Curtis Hamilton, but perhaps Omark, or Plante, or Teubert, or the 19th overall pick.

Versteeg might also be of interest, but it's been well documented that we're small on the wing. Van Riemsdyk would be worth dealing Plante + the 19th overall for.

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#97 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 08 2011, 10:01AM
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John Chambers wrote:

I really like Cogliano. Maybe we need to move him to the wing, but I think this guy fits in somewhere in the long term. He probably deserves a 2-year contract similar to Ryan Jones.

Just saying this because I think he can turn into a situational player like Malhotra ... albeit as a wing.

There was a long 5 on 3 penalty kill against Vancouver late in the year where Cogliano won a draw, fought to get the puck out, broke up another play, and got the puck out again. It was a positional- and work-ethic gem. A 45-second clip that his agent should carry around on an iPad when he sits down to discuss his client.

Yeah his FO % is terrible, but speed and determination like his is not a commodity.

I give props and Add that for a center to learn to win Faceoffs can take 3-5 years= Patience. His work ethic makes me very willing to keep him around. I also really like his willingness to morph in to what is needed. This kid really wants to be here, he has friends and wants to be part of that future. I think HE thinks there is a future and that is his primary motivation to Morph.

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#98 VMR
June 08 2011, 10:21AM
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Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!" wrote:

I give props and Add that for a center to learn to win Faceoffs can take 3-5 years= Patience. His work ethic makes me very willing to keep him around. I also really like his willingness to morph in to what is needed. This kid really wants to be here, he has friends and wants to be part of that future. I think HE thinks there is a future and that is his primary motivation to Morph.

Only thing he seems unable to morph into is a better physical player. There were so many times when if he'd just taken the body he could have shut down the opposition but he stuck with positional play and the opponent was able to outwork him and grind it out to generate a scoring chance.

Not sure if he's incapable of that style of play but as things stand it severely limits his defensive abilities.

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#99 Archaeologuy
June 08 2011, 10:22AM
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@Ender

Bold Move, Ender, Bold Move.

I was thinking from the 2C spot Horc can still lineup against better opposition relatively easily. I was also considering the idea of "Sheltering" RNH on the 3rd line, but he isnt a 3rd liner so it might not do him any good down there at all.

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#100 mayorpoop
June 08 2011, 10:28AM
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how do we take RNH and slot him at 3rd line center? we didn't drop hall to bottom six did we? if he does go (and he will) #1 to the oilers then we need play him as the skilled top line player he is (in agreement with ender).

we need to best utilize players at proper positioning and sure enough in the past we didn't have that fortune due to injuires etc...but as we develop a core / nucleus then transforming players into roles needs to occur.

this is why horc needs to be the 3rd line center regardless of contract.

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