Simply The Best

Lowetide
June 07 2011 07:37PM

This is Shawn Horcoff before the turn of the century. Although many Oiler fans have been calling for his head since 2007, Horcoff remains the best center in town. Will that change any time soon? 

Shawn Horcoff is the most complete center on the Oilers roster. He faced the toughest opponents, had the best faceoff percentage, was entrusted with the elite calibre rookies. In every demonstrable way, Shawn Horcoff was the leader of the Edmonton Oilers. Again.

Center: 5x5 scoring (points-per-60 minutes)

  1. Sam Gagner 1.91
  2. Shawn Horcoff 1.47
  3. Andrew Cogliano 1.33
  4. Colin Fraser 0.48

Center: Quality of Competition

  1. Shawn Horcoff .057
  2. Andrew Cogliano .022
  3. Sam Gagner -.013
  4. Colin Fraser -.086

Center CorsiRel

  1. Sam Gagner 7.0
  2. Shawn Horcoff 7.0
  3. Andrew Cogliano 2.3
  4. Colin Fraser -9.6

Center: Scoring Chances

  1. Shawn Horcoff 199-186 .517
  2. Andrew Cogliano 290-329 .468
  3. Sam Gagner 271-317 .461
  4. Colin Fraser 90-135 .400

The first three sets of numbers are courtesy Gabriel Desjardins behind the net, the final numbers (scoring chances) are from the brilliant work at C&B.

What does it all mean?

The Oilers have two very young centermen trying to grow up quickly in Gagner and Cogliano. Gags numbers show the offensive ability and a fine CorsiRel, but he faced easy competition and the scoring chance numbers should have been better. Was this a result of his struggles with the two Swedish kids? Don't know. We are reaching a point where even the most stubborn Gagner supporters (me, Zona, a few others) should begin to wonder if he's going to be the player forecast those years ago. I'm still betting on him.

Cogliano is making progress, and I think coach Renney has been helpful in the process. Cogs isn't scoring a lot and his scoring chance totals are about the same as Gagner's but he did it in tougher waters. It's small progress but there's a heartbeat.

Colin Fraser's numbers are disappointing but we also have to remember that the man was playing with some subpar linemates for much of the season. Edmonton's depth forwards were among the worst in the NHL.

This is Gilbert Perreault as a Montreal Junior Canadien, shortly before Buffalo drafted him in 1970. There is no 20-year old Gilbert Perreault in this draft, so the Oilers options for improving center involve the following:

  1. Signing a free agent like Brooks Laich.
  2. Trading for a qualitied veteran center.
  3. Trusting that Gagner-Cogliano can improve this coming season.
  4. Inserting Anton Lander in the mix and hoping for the best.
  5. Allowing the number one overall pick to stick with the big club if he impresses.
  6. Moving Taylor Hall to center full time.
  7. Go crazy and offer the moon for Mike Richards.

I think option six looms large.

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#101 pelhem grenville
June 08 2011, 10:31AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

How to improve at C? If only the #1 rated player in this year's draft was a Center. That sure would make things easier. Too bad RNH is a...oh, wait, he's a Center.

Gagner was on pace for career year (even while playing with rookies for long stretches) before Jones got a little shanky on the bench, and the Oil will draft a future 1C in RNH. I dont think the Oilers can count on Horcoff to be a difference maker since his FO% and scoring has been trending down, but he's obviously still a useful enough player. Moving forward the answers down the middle will be Gagner and RNH. If that doesnt work out then there is no safety net to fall back on. The eggs are in that basket whether we like it or not.

"...If that doesn't work out then there is no safety net to fall back on..."

...Anton Lander

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#102 Archaeologuy
June 08 2011, 10:32AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

"...If that doesn't work out then there is no safety net to fall back on..."

...Anton Lander

For the top 6? I havent heard too many projections higher than 3rd line for him.

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#103 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 08 2011, 10:33AM
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VMR wrote:

Only thing he seems unable to morph into is a better physical player. There were so many times when if he'd just taken the body he could have shut down the opposition but he stuck with positional play and the opponent was able to outwork him and grind it out to generate a scoring chance.

Not sure if he's incapable of that style of play but as things stand it severely limits his defensive abilities.

I agree he needs some crust is for sure. Will he get it in the next year or two I don't know but he has changed a lot in the last two years. He seems just so willing and if not able possibly teachable. I know not all situations like this pan out but his speed and all of the above buys him time. I really hope he turns in to a real Defensive jewel that posts a lot of shoties. He could be the best feel good story. I HOPE there for I am an Oiler fan.

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#104 Archaeologuy
June 08 2011, 10:35AM
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@mayorpoop

I was thinking a 3rd line like the Nilsson-Cogliano-Gagner 3rd from their rookie year. Not a traditional 3rd line, but one where they could shelter him a little.

It was just a thought. I figured that was more likely to happen than demoting Horc to 3C. This organization has a problem slotting vets where their performance dictates they should.

I'm not anti playing RNH on the 2nd line.

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#105 pelhem grenville
June 08 2011, 10:40AM
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...you're right but once he gets his game honed for the small ice in AHL he'll be playing 3C here and sooner rather than later 2C IMO...i gotta hunch...and if the RNH plays another year in junior...who knows 50/50 jus sayin'

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#106 Archaeologuy
June 08 2011, 10:45AM
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@pelhem grenville

I wont count on him to do it until I get to see him play on a regular basis, but I wont count it out completely either. Fair?

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#107 positivebrontefan
June 08 2011, 11:16AM
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LOL!!! You beat me to it!

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#108 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 08 2011, 11:17AM
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Rogue wrote:

Horc is the BEST center of a BAD bunch. And yes, have him as 3rd. line center. Gags and RNH as top 2. With Horc on 3rd. line it also means our top 2 lines will not be handicapped with his failing offensive abilities.

Its a "win win" scenario.

Do you really think Gags can pull of a #2 Center his numbers seem to suggest otherwise to me. Or do you think that playing with better line mates on #2 will make all the difference as he is more that type of player.

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#109 mayorpoop
June 08 2011, 11:29AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I was thinking a 3rd line like the Nilsson-Cogliano-Gagner 3rd from their rookie year. Not a traditional 3rd line, but one where they could shelter him a little.

It was just a thought. I figured that was more likely to happen than demoting Horc to 3C. This organization has a problem slotting vets where their performance dictates they should.

I'm not anti playing RNH on the 2nd line.

i completely agree about our organizational defencies. i didn't think you were anti-rnh top six i just wanted to express how imo he should be slotted.

it's really a crapshoot, some players need shelter and others flourish ie. hall. i hope that RNH has that same make-up as hall and can flourish.

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#110 D-Man
June 08 2011, 11:29AM
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Chris. wrote:

Let's trade for Pronger.

I've never laughed so hard in my life... Nice!!

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#111 David S
June 08 2011, 11:43AM
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As far as Horcoff goes, well I try to stay out of it because it is what it is. But from what I remember last year, he played remarkably well with Eberle and Hall before "the dark times". His major problem isn't that he's inferior so much as he's a walking LTIR waiting to happen.

Albeit overpayed, his contract was written based on those periods when he was healthy. Each successive injury has dragged down his ability to live up to that contract.

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#112 D-Man
June 08 2011, 11:43AM
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Team Draft Centers wrote:

Here's a solution for the long term center problem. This is the draft year of the Center. Let's get at least 2. If you get RNH and then run up and grab Couturier as well, I think we're set up pretty good. Sort out the rest down the line. Too many centers is a good thing. Can always move Cogs to the wing, or Gags for that matter. Good centers don't grow on trees, they're picked at the draft.

How will we get Couturier though?? He's slotted at about 5 or 6 and NJ is high on him at the #4 pick for what I've read... I'd love to get both - just not sure we have enough 'horses in the stable' to be able to trade up high enough to get him...

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#113 Archaeologuy
June 08 2011, 11:58AM
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David S wrote:

OK look. While RNH is a snappy young JUNIOR player, let's get off this "second-line NHL center" talk. He's gained what, 7 pounds, which should put him just over 170. Unless he's the second coming of Wayne freakin 99, he'll get crushed in the big boys league.

RNH is a decent prospect. That is all. Certainly not rippin' it up like Taylor Hall did. I'd be very disappointed if he got Gagnered™.

I know I'm not a Mathematographer, but RNH had 106 points in his draft year and Hall had 106 points in his draft year. They seemed to have "Ripped it Up" relatively evenly.

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#114 Quicksilver ballet
June 08 2011, 11:58AM
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With the Flyers taking on another 4-5 million dollar contract with Bryzgalov, have to think Scott Hartnell could be had for very little in return. May be a good time to unload Plante.

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#115 D-Man
June 08 2011, 12:05PM
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David S wrote:

OK look. While RNH is a snappy young JUNIOR player, let's get off this "second-line NHL center" talk. He's gained what, 7 pounds, which should put him just over 170. Unless he's the second coming of Wayne freakin 99, he'll get crushed in the big boys league.

RNH is a decent prospect. That is all. Certainly not rippin' it up like Taylor Hall did. I'd be very disappointed if he got Gagnered™.

Valid point - but he's also been compared to Datsyk and Sakic... I know - we won't know until we actually see him on the ice in an actual NHL game - but if he has the 'vision' that has been written about him; he'll avoid getting crushed.. I also won't be shocked if he puts on another 10 lbs before training camp being 18 and growing...

Time will tell whether he'll be ready or not.. I do agree though if after nine games in the NHL, if he's floundering - send him back to Red Deer.

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#116 D-Man
June 08 2011, 12:05PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...more than fair...i wanna see him too...i think he surprises us all big time!

one hundred and fist!

Can you FIST at one hundred and one?? I didn't think we were allowed to do that?

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#117 DieHard
June 08 2011, 12:10PM
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No choice. One more year with Horcoff at 1st line center with Hemsky and ? playing against other team's first line. Big changes the following year.

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#118 David S
June 08 2011, 12:16PM
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John Chambers wrote:

& @ Indiana Jones

I agree with Ricky 100%. I see no reason to rush Nugent into the NHL next year. Too young ... he would enter the NHL a full 8 months younger than Hall. I somewhat agree with Arch's logic that anyone should be able to earn a spot, but organizationally you also have to consider a longer-term development plan. Seguin hardly got any ice this year - perhaps he would've been better in the O again.

My lineup at Centre for opening night would be: 1) Horcoff 2) Gagner 3) Tim Connolly, signed as a UFA on a 1-year deal 4) Lander

Cogliano moves to the wing on the 3rd line, Foster is in OKC or waived, and Nugent of course is a Rebel, and plies his trade for Red Deer.

Well said sir.

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#119 mayorpoop
June 08 2011, 12:23PM
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@ David & John

a tad too early to put the #1 overall in the minors, no?

we should let gerbe and ennis and other of that stature and weight know that they are going to get crushed next season by the "big boys"....whoa wait what?! they already played in the "big boy" league and didn't die? holy fluke out batman.

i don't care how much he weighs, or how old he is, i care that he can play...bottom line.

earn the spot, be the player!

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#120 D-Man
June 08 2011, 12:24PM
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John Chambers wrote:

& @ Indiana Jones

I agree with Ricky 100%. I see no reason to rush Nugent into the NHL next year. Too young ... he would enter the NHL a full 8 months younger than Hall. I somewhat agree with Arch's logic that anyone should be able to earn a spot, but organizationally you also have to consider a longer-term development plan. Seguin hardly got any ice this year - perhaps he would've been better in the O again.

My lineup at Centre for opening night would be: 1) Horcoff 2) Gagner 3) Tim Connolly, signed as a UFA on a 1-year deal 4) Lander

Cogliano moves to the wing on the 3rd line, Foster is in OKC or waived, and Nugent of course is a Rebel, and plies his trade for Red Deer.

Sound logic - but you're speculating that he won't be ready... Regardless of age and size, many were saying the same about Hall... Let's see what he does in the summer, training camp as well as the first nine games of the season... Nobody heard of Jeff Skinner last year either and his stature is similar to RNH...

I would love Connolly as a 3rd line center though.. What are you thinking?? 1 year, about $4.5 million??

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#121 @Oilanderp
June 08 2011, 12:33PM
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This is just tossing an idea out at random but does anyone else think given his style of play that Magnus Paajarvi might be a center waiting to happen right under our nose?

Also, move Cog's speed to the wing and make Gilbert (my god can you stay healthy wtf) Brule the pivot. Cogs can substitute after Brule's impending 3-month upper fingernail injury.

Also, it's ~time to give up on Gagner, I mean my god he's the same age as Hartikainen now. Time to move on!~

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#122 John Chambers
June 08 2011, 12:38PM
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@D-Man

It's easy to spend when it's not your money, isn't it. I doubt Connolly would get much more than $3M, if that ... however when you look at Commodore's, Antropov's, and Huselius' contracts I suppose anything is possible.

If not Connolly, maybe Fleischmann, or Max Lapierre (people are going to give me flack for that suggestion). Basically we need someone to fill a role as a serviceable 2nd or 3rd line centre for one year before The Nuge is ready.

@ mayorpoop

I've always loved your handle. But Nate Gerbe is like 23 years old and Ennis is maybe 20 or 21. Nugent might still be a virgin and hasn't graduated high school. In this case I'm suggesting that he needs to do one thing before he's ready to play in the NHL - age.

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#123 Archaeologuy
June 08 2011, 12:38PM
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@John Chambers

For me, if the Oilers dont want RNH playing here in the Fall then they best start filling up the roster with Centres like you have in your depth chart. Grab a Konopka and a Connolly. If they can legitimately tell the kid that he's close but we have better options then I'm fine with sending RNH down.

If the depth chart at C stays Status Quo then I have a hard time seeing how RNH wont make the team. RNH will only have been "Rushed" if he doesnt pan out. That's something we use hindsight to see but we cant predict.

No one is suggesting that Skinner was rushed to the NHL even though his body looked like that of a teenager. We wont know is RNH is rushed or not until we see how he reacts to the NHL.

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#124 Rogue
June 08 2011, 12:42PM
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Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!" wrote:

Do you really think Gags can pull of a #2 Center his numbers seem to suggest otherwise to me. Or do you think that playing with better line mates on #2 will make all the difference as he is more that type of player.

Who knows?? But if RNH does make the team,it is tough having him as 3rd line center. I understand the protection thing,but lets see what he can do. This scenario goes all to hell if they ship him back to JRS, obviously.

I just hope Gags shows up heavier and stonger. His strategy from last year about being quicker and lighter was a joke. Did not see any difference. Let him start year at Number 1 and see what happens. Even tho I see him as a number 2, what do the Oil have to lose? Eventually, the 3&4 centers will have to be much larger and stronger than the softies they have now.

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#125 David S
June 08 2011, 12:42PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

For me, if the Oilers dont want RNH playing here in the Fall then they best start filling up the roster with Centres like you have in your depth chart. Grab a Konopka and a Connolly. If they can legitimately tell the kid that he's close but we have better options then I'm fine with sending RNH down.

If the depth chart at C stays Status Quo then I have a hard time seeing how RNH wont make the team. RNH will only have been "Rushed" if he doesnt pan out. That's something we use hindsight to see but we cant predict.

No one is suggesting that Skinner was rushed to the NHL even though his body looked like that of a teenager. We wont know is RNH is rushed or not until we see how he reacts to the NHL.

I like to think of it this way.

When would RNH see the light of day in Detroit?

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#126 mayorpoop
June 08 2011, 12:44PM
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John Chambers wrote:

It's easy to spend when it's not your money, isn't it. I doubt Connolly would get much more than $3M, if that ... however when you look at Commodore's, Antropov's, and Huselius' contracts I suppose anything is possible.

If not Connolly, maybe Fleischmann, or Max Lapierre (people are going to give me flack for that suggestion). Basically we need someone to fill a role as a serviceable 2nd or 3rd line centre for one year before The Nuge is ready.

@ mayorpoop

I've always loved your handle. But Nate Gerbe is like 23 years old and Ennis is maybe 20 or 21. Nugent might still be a virgin and hasn't graduated high school. In this case I'm suggesting that he needs to do one thing before he's ready to play in the NHL - age.

agree to disagree.

do like the thoughts on free agents pick ups tho. no one should give you flack for lapierre because secretly everyone realizes that those players help you win...whether fairly, with class or otherwise.

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#127 freeze
June 08 2011, 12:54PM
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Has anyone heard an update on Gagner's injury/rehab? I (vaguely) remember reading that it could be more serious than originally reported. At first it was a cut from the skate but didn't he sever a major tendon? That might really hamper his development.

There is no way he comes back heavier or stronger if he can't train with one of his arms this summer.

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#128 Eddie Shore
June 08 2011, 01:06PM
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David S wrote:

106 points in Red Deer.

I dunno man. Maybe its the "seen him good" in me, but I just don't get the sense that RNH is anywhere near the dynamic talent that Hall was. Katz bent over backwards to have Hall and Seguin at his house, whereas nowhere near the same attention seems to have been placed on this year's potential #1. Maybe it's just a weaker draft this year.

Is it easier to score points in Red Deer than Windsor?

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#129 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 08 2011, 01:07PM
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Rogue wrote:

Who knows?? But if RNH does make the team,it is tough having him as 3rd line center. I understand the protection thing,but lets see what he can do. This scenario goes all to hell if they ship him back to JRS, obviously.

I just hope Gags shows up heavier and stonger. His strategy from last year about being quicker and lighter was a joke. Did not see any difference. Let him start year at Number 1 and see what happens. Even tho I see him as a number 2, what do the Oil have to lose? Eventually, the 3&4 centers will have to be much larger and stronger than the softies they have now.

Very good point on Gags weight thing I forgot about that. I think it needs to be tried. He needs time at position to see if in 6 months or so he can handle it. We seem to be very patient and I like that(Thinking of Heavyweights and Cogs) But it is time for Gags to start showing a real ability to lead.

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#130 Eddie Shore
June 08 2011, 01:07PM
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David S wrote:

I like to think of it this way.

When would RNH see the light of day in Detroit?

We are not Detroit. We don't have the same depth as Detroit. It's easy to "let players develop" when you have competent NHL'ers in your lineup day to day. Unfortunately, Edmonton doesn't have that luxury...yet.

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#131 Tapdog
June 08 2011, 01:15PM
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D-Man wrote:

Sound logic - but you're speculating that he won't be ready... Regardless of age and size, many were saying the same about Hall... Let's see what he does in the summer, training camp as well as the first nine games of the season... Nobody heard of Jeff Skinner last year either and his stature is similar to RNH...

I would love Connolly as a 3rd line center though.. What are you thinking?? 1 year, about $4.5 million??

If Tim Connelly is healthy, he will be your first line centre in Edmonton

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#132 Bucknuck
June 08 2011, 01:16PM
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It's been obvious for a couple of years that we need a #1 C on this team. I am not sure playing any player out of position is a great idea. I like Hall on the Wing as well as paajarvi, where their aggressive hard nosed style can go to the net with abandon. Leave centre to the more cerebral players (like RNH is supposed to be) and another one we should add.

If Horcof isn't going up against the other teams top defenders all of the time (i.e. in a 2nd or 3rd line role) I would expect to see his numbers jump a bit, too.

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#133 Souby
June 08 2011, 01:18PM
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David S wrote:

106 points in Red Deer.

I dunno man. Maybe its the "seen him good" in me, but I just don't get the sense that RNH is anywhere near the dynamic talent that Hall was. Katz bent over backwards to have Hall and Seguin at his house, whereas nowhere near the same attention seems to have been placed on this year's potential #1. Maybe it's just a weaker draft this year.

It is hard to use RNH's 106pts as a comparison to Hall's 106pts. It took RNH 69 games (1.54pts/game) to get to 106 as opposed to Hall how did it in 57 games (1.86pts/game). If Hall had kept up that pace over 69 games, he would have hit 128pts.

I like RNH, but Taylor Hall is better. RNH's number are closer, but still less than Seguin's who had 106pts in 63 games (1.68pts/per game).

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#134 Ender
June 08 2011, 01:21PM
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Honestly asking - can't remember; who was the last #1 overall pick* who started the season in the minors or junior? Gregor must have written the answer to that at some point . . .

*Edit: I think I need to specify "at the forward position" here. If someone were to hold up a defenceman that went first overall that hadn't developed enough to play in the bigs yet in his draft year, well, to quote Iago "I think I'm going to have a heart-attack and die of not-surprise." Crash said after training camp last season that sending Hall back down would be the first time that had happened in over a decade. I have no idea how much truth there is there, but it sounds pretty accurate to me. Probably a lot longer, really.

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#135 Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement
June 08 2011, 01:21PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...more than fair...i wanna see him too...i think he surprises us all big time!

one hundred and fist!

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#136 Digger
June 08 2011, 01:43PM
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@Ender

Mike Modano, I believe...and IIRC that was more to with him not being able to come to terms on a contract w/ Minnesota in time for the season to start than anything else.

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#137 Chekker
June 08 2011, 01:54PM
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Actually, it was Eric Lindros due to...well, everyone knows that story. Mike Modano also did not play in his draft year.

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#138 LoDog
June 08 2011, 01:56PM
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Digger wrote:

Mike Modano, I believe...and IIRC that was more to with him not being able to come to terms on a contract w/ Minnesota in time for the season to start than anything else.

Last 25 years of forwards picked #1 overall (hopefully google didn't lie to me)

Taylor Hall John Tavares Steven Stamkos Patrick Kane Sidney Crosby Alexander Ovechkin Rick Nash Ilya Kovalchuk Patrik Stefan Vincent Lecavalier Joe Thornton Alexandre Daigle Eric Lindros Owen Nolan Mats Sundin Mike Modano Joe Murphy Wendel Clark Mario Lemieux

Like you said Modano went to back to junior. Murphy went the AHL.

That's it I think, the rest straight to the NHL.

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#139 John Chambers
June 08 2011, 02:03PM
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@mayorpoop

Agree to disagree? No way! There's no disagreeing! That's the way it is. Got it?

*snorts another line of coke*

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#140 Quicksilver ballet
June 08 2011, 02:13PM
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@@Oilanderp

I'd give Magnus top 6 minutes on the wing till Christmas, if he remains stagnant, then i'd try the center experiment during the second half. The Oilers may get a better read of what they have in Paajarvi this season. I'd put Lander in the middle for part of training camp, let Omark,Lander and Magnus have a go for a few games in the preseason to see if there's some chemistry. Gagner gets one more yr here if nothing impressive comes the way of the Oilers trade wise. With Brule and Fraser still here lets see Sam play a few games at RW.

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#141 rindog
June 08 2011, 02:15PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Hmmm. I'd love to see Carter here, but trading these kids this soon would be painful. That's a very interesting idea. Hmmm.

Doesn't Carter make $100 million per year for the next 100 years???

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#142 Rogue
June 08 2011, 02:19PM
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Has anyone heard an update on Gagner's injury/rehab? I (vaguely) remember reading that it could be more serious than originally reported. At first it was a cut from the skate but didn't he sever a major tendon? That might really hamper his development.

There is no way he comes back heavier or stronger if he can't train with one of his arms this summer.

There you go. Good point. That will definitely hamper his type of workouts. I am not trying to run him out of town, but now is the time for him to shine. I realize he is still young, but I have no idea how to read him and his development. Patience is the key. Oooohhhmmmm.

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#143 Dman09
June 08 2011, 02:44PM
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I think a lot of people are under estimating Lander. I think he could jump on to the team right away and I think he would be a good 3rd center. I don't think our center position is as bad as people think. I agree we still need a #1 but if we do take RNH then we have RNH Horcoff Gagner Cogs Brule VV Lander

That all have the potential to play in the NHl next year. Personally I think Gagner and Cogs are better suited for the wings. And I don't think you can count of Brule for more than 10 games. So that leaves you with RNH Horcoff Lander VV

I think that could be a pretty good group of centers and with time they may end up being really good.

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#144 Sheldon "Oilers Fan for Life!!!"
June 08 2011, 03:02PM
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Personally I am not ready to trade any of the HOPE kids but some of the others maybe. The deal has to for once be logical.

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#145 mayorpoop
June 08 2011, 04:52PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Agree to disagree? No way! There's no disagreeing! That's the way it is. Got it?

*snorts another line of coke*

*sigh* yes sir, mr.chambers sir.

i shall drink my o.j. in silence.

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#146 Ianf
June 08 2011, 04:57PM
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Souray to Columbus for commodore!

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#147 pelhem grenville
June 08 2011, 05:30PM
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rindog wrote:

Doesn't Carter make $100 million per year for the next 100 years???

...hundred mill a year for a hundred years...perfect laffed my FAO...thx rindog ...i f0ckin'needed that...not to mention the obligatory no movement clause...he's gonna be close to 40 when it's done...stooopid long... but we ain't dealin' with philly please say in isn't so...eighth overall is the prize...if it's still up for the highest bid...what DO the mighty blue jackets want for that pick? could Hemsky play with Nash? would Brule get his old apartment back if he moved back to the Heartland Ohio?...would Bono visit? There's Fraser,BackHurtJock,Plante...what else does Howson see that he likes...including our 19th back... Couturier available at Eighth?

RNH could go back to junior, we'd develop the BIG centre...and carry on

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#148 Kaiser Wilhelm
June 08 2011, 05:32PM
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And, if the CBC is to believed, all these debates could be moot. Appairently tambo is open to dealing the pick.

Not in favour personally, but what do the ravening masses think?

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/story/2011/06/08/sp-nhl-oilers-tambellini.html

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#149 a lg dubl dubl
June 08 2011, 05:48PM
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Ianf wrote:

Souray to Columbus for commodore!

Really!? or u just wishful thinkin? If Dithers was able to get a NHL body back for Souray I'd be UBER impressed.

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#150 Quicksilver ballet
June 08 2011, 06:06PM
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Kaiser Wilhelm wrote:

And, if the CBC is to believed, all these debates could be moot. Appairently tambo is open to dealing the pick.

Not in favour personally, but what do the ravening masses think?

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/story/2011/06/08/sp-nhl-oilers-tambellini.html

This is just propoganda, he's not going to move the first selection, he's just looking to start as much dialogue as possible leading up to the draft. No way that first pick changes hands, Steve is using this to gauge the interest in other assets that may be available in other possible dealings.

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