HOLD THE PHONE

Jason Gregor
June 09 2011 12:38PM

After the GMs meetings yesterday a few stories popped up that Steve Tambellini was open to trading the first overall pick. I don't see any REALISTIC scenario that would see him moving that pick, but here is what he said yesterday.

"I've had a few calls (from) people kicking the tires of how they can help me make the Oilers a better team. For me to move the No. 1 pick it would have to be obviously something exceptional. Because this is a huge building block again for us.

"These couple years here are exactly the time that we have to put pieces in place that are going to be part of the Oilers success for a long time. It would have to be something quite sweet."


By something sweet he means a massive overpayment. In the past month Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has become the consensus first overall pick. He is number one on every mock draft that I've seen, (if there is a reputable one that doesn't have him first please let me know) so I don't see why Tambellini would trade him.

Since Tambellini's comments many readers and listeners to my show have sent me questions and/or scenarios that they felt would make sense in dealing the first pick. In almost every case the return was far greater than what I think an opposing GM would offer up, but I respect your positive outlook.

Tambellini can't move down one or two spots and expect anything significant. The Panthers won't deal Erik Gudbranson and this year's 3rd pick for the 1st. It won't happen folks.

Some wondered if the Oilers should trade with Ottawa and get the 6th and 21st pick, thus ensuring the Oilers three picks in the top 21. I know it is a different regime right now, but having three picks in the top 21 in 2007 hasn't worked out great for the Oilers.

History shows there is a big difference between the 1st pick and the 6th. Let's quickly compare the last ten drafts:

YEAR                      1st                            6th
2010                 Taylor Hall                   Brett Connolly
2009                 John Tavares             Oliver Ekman-Larsson
2008                 Steven Stamkos         Nikita Filatov
2007                 Patrick Kane               Sam Gagner
2006                 Erik Johnson              Derick Brassard
2005                 Sidney Crosby            Gilbert Brule
2004                Alex Ovechkin              Al Montoya
2003                Marc-Andre Fleury       Milan Michalek
2002                Rick Nash                    Scottie Upshall
2001                Ilya Kovalchuk              Mikko Koivu

In most cases the difference in skill is drastic. I don't see why Tambellini would give up the opportunity to draft a potential franchise player with the first pick. I don't see Colorado giving up a lot to move up one spot, especially considering they are a division rival.

If you look back at teams that traded out of the first slot, I can't find one that eventually won the deal. The Panthers ended up giving up more draft picks to move down to #3 in 2002, and the Thrashers completely botched it when they took Patrick Stefan in 1999. Based on the cap and the amount of money the first overall pick receives now, I'm not sure it is even fair to compare potential deals to ones that occurred in the 1980s and later.

I understand why Tambellini tells the media is he open to dealing the pick, so every team knows he is contemplating and maybe one of them will come in with an offer too good to pass up; but realistically I don't see it happening. I also think the optics of moving the first overall pick wouldn't sit well with Oilersnation right now.

You've spent the past five years watching your team miss the playoffs, and in a few cases be out of the race by January, so  moving a likely elite player at this point might not sit well with many of you.

I'm sure Tambellini will listen to all offers, but I fully expect the Oilers to still be picking first in 15 days.

I also expect them to announce a trade on draft day involving the 19th pick; I just don't know how far they will be able to move up. From where I sit moving the 19th pick is a more realistic option, and it could involve a roster player. The question is which team is willing to move down?

Right now the Calgary Flames are desperate for more picks, and I suspect they might move down a few notches to secure a few more picks, but would the Flames and Oilers make a deal involving multiple picks? Pulling the wool over Darryl Sutter's eyes to take Steve Staios is one thing, but would the Alberta rivals trade first rounders? I highly doubt it, considering I assume the Flames would want more picks rather than an NHL player, but that would make for some great debate on here and at www.Flamesnation.ca

Based on the conversations I've had to date, I'd expect Tambellini to try hard and move up from 19, but I highly doubty he will move the first pick.

If he does, I think he is making a big mistake.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#151 rickithebear
June 10 2011, 11:41PM
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Although in jason gregor land he will be better than crosby on the PP. Cause the scouts say it is so.

I will note that and get back to you in a couple years.

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#152 Peterborough
June 11 2011, 12:22AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

What actually impresses you about him? I have laid out my reasons for distrusting the hype that surrounds him.

All I get in return is "You're the Only One." Actually give me a reason to believe in the kid.

This from Hockey's Future:

"Erik Gudbranson is one of the leagues brightest defensive prospects due to his great size and physical maturity. He's also seen spikes in his offensive production this season which piques some interest into the type of defenseman he may develop into. Should his offensive game translate to the NHL level, he is capable of being a strong two-way defenseman with top-pairing potential. If his offensive game fails to translate, he'll still be a rock defensively. Gudbranson was a key member of Canada's defensive unit at the last World Junior and tied Ryan Ellis for the team lead in defensive goal scoring. With Florida's continued rebuild, expect Gudbranson to don a Panthers jersey next fall."

also this:

"Erik Gudbranson, the big defenseman playing for the Kingston Frontenacs and the Panthers third overall pick in the 2010 draft, produced what could best be called a solid season. Gudbranson was sent back to Kingston from the Panthers training camp at the start of the season due more to contract difficulties rather than NHL readiness. The 6'4, 206-pound Gudbranson made the most of his return to the OHL. His drive and determination kept him active and hungry, and he took the opportunity to play a season with his younger brother Alex, and work on some aspects of his game that needed improvement. The results came in the form of 12 goals and 22 assists for the Frontenacs, along with 105 penalty minutes. His 12 goals in 44 games marked a sharp improvement from the two goals of his previous season with Kingston. Gudbranson also made Team Canada's U-20 team, posting three goals and two assists in seven games at the World Junior Championships in Buffalo, New York. His five points were second among Canada's defensemen on the Silver Medal team loaded with quality prospects at defense.

Gudbranson is a fiery player, strong and mature for his age, with an NHL-ready body and mentality. His physicality and hard hits saw him suspended November for five games after a particularly hard hit that left Ottawa 67's player Cosimo Fontana with a concussion. Gudbranson later received an eight-game, second-infraction suspension for an elbow shot to Oshawa's J.P. Labardo. The second suspension came just two games after Gudbranson had been suspended by his team for an apparent outburst against Frontenac coaches for their lack of commitment to the team. Suspensions aside, Gudbranson should not be considered a dirty player, rather a big, strong man playing in league where his size and mentality set him apart from his rivals."

and this:

"Gudbranson nearly made the NHL this season after being drafted third overall in the summer. He was good enough in preseason to earn a spot on opening night but the Panthers were unable to reach a deal on a contract with him and so he was sent back to Kingston to play for the Frontenacs.

With three goals and eight assists in 20 games, some people might be expecting Gudbranson to produce more offensively in his third year playing in the OHL. That’s never been his game though and while there might be some untapped offensive potential in him, he’s continuing to grow into a shutdown defenseman. Interestingly, Gudbranson has been racking up a lot more penalty minutes this season. Last year he had 68 in 41 games. So far, he already has 46 penalty minutes in just 20 games. Part of his increase in penalty minutes is due to a seeming greater willingness to drop the gloves. He had six fights all of last season in the OHL while has already dropped the gloves four times this season.

Gudbranson was named to Team OHL of the Subway Super Series and made assistant captain."

PS the guys at THN like him even more.

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#153 Clyde Frog
June 11 2011, 12:21PM
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@rickithebear

Again you ignore everything else.

As I said, its a good trend and if a scout wants to look at something similar to help compare and contrast kids thats cool.

Its a useful look for helping with the predictions.

But if you aren't looking at skill, the way they play, ability, the systems they come from, and you are just dividing goals by points...

Well, enjoy.

When you treat it as a hard rule, you avoid talking about players that didn't fit the mold, you avoid talking about the specifics of the situations the kids are in. You avoid pretty much everything but your rule.

Seriously, its becoming Madjamesque.

PS even if it were 100% true, there is a big difference between players like Heatly or Kovalchuk and Toews and Datsyuk.

One set racks up points when they can, the other wins.

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#154 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 11 2011, 02:36PM
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Peterborough wrote:

This from Hockey's Future:

"Erik Gudbranson is one of the leagues brightest defensive prospects due to his great size and physical maturity. He's also seen spikes in his offensive production this season which piques some interest into the type of defenseman he may develop into. Should his offensive game translate to the NHL level, he is capable of being a strong two-way defenseman with top-pairing potential. If his offensive game fails to translate, he'll still be a rock defensively. Gudbranson was a key member of Canada's defensive unit at the last World Junior and tied Ryan Ellis for the team lead in defensive goal scoring. With Florida's continued rebuild, expect Gudbranson to don a Panthers jersey next fall."

also this:

"Erik Gudbranson, the big defenseman playing for the Kingston Frontenacs and the Panthers third overall pick in the 2010 draft, produced what could best be called a solid season. Gudbranson was sent back to Kingston from the Panthers training camp at the start of the season due more to contract difficulties rather than NHL readiness. The 6'4, 206-pound Gudbranson made the most of his return to the OHL. His drive and determination kept him active and hungry, and he took the opportunity to play a season with his younger brother Alex, and work on some aspects of his game that needed improvement. The results came in the form of 12 goals and 22 assists for the Frontenacs, along with 105 penalty minutes. His 12 goals in 44 games marked a sharp improvement from the two goals of his previous season with Kingston. Gudbranson also made Team Canada's U-20 team, posting three goals and two assists in seven games at the World Junior Championships in Buffalo, New York. His five points were second among Canada's defensemen on the Silver Medal team loaded with quality prospects at defense.

Gudbranson is a fiery player, strong and mature for his age, with an NHL-ready body and mentality. His physicality and hard hits saw him suspended November for five games after a particularly hard hit that left Ottawa 67's player Cosimo Fontana with a concussion. Gudbranson later received an eight-game, second-infraction suspension for an elbow shot to Oshawa's J.P. Labardo. The second suspension came just two games after Gudbranson had been suspended by his team for an apparent outburst against Frontenac coaches for their lack of commitment to the team. Suspensions aside, Gudbranson should not be considered a dirty player, rather a big, strong man playing in league where his size and mentality set him apart from his rivals."

and this:

"Gudbranson nearly made the NHL this season after being drafted third overall in the summer. He was good enough in preseason to earn a spot on opening night but the Panthers were unable to reach a deal on a contract with him and so he was sent back to Kingston to play for the Frontenacs.

With three goals and eight assists in 20 games, some people might be expecting Gudbranson to produce more offensively in his third year playing in the OHL. That’s never been his game though and while there might be some untapped offensive potential in him, he’s continuing to grow into a shutdown defenseman. Interestingly, Gudbranson has been racking up a lot more penalty minutes this season. Last year he had 68 in 41 games. So far, he already has 46 penalty minutes in just 20 games. Part of his increase in penalty minutes is due to a seeming greater willingness to drop the gloves. He had six fights all of last season in the OHL while has already dropped the gloves four times this season.

Gudbranson was named to Team OHL of the Subway Super Series and made assistant captain."

PS the guys at THN like him even more.

Arch is right, this kid has stiff written all over him.....not.

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#155 Archaeologuy
June 11 2011, 09:04PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

He doesnt have to be a bust to be a bad return on a 1st overall pick. He just has to NOT be a franchise player.

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#156 RobD
June 11 2011, 10:15PM
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@Gregor

Jason there may not be anymore Daigles being drafted but there are Turris's and Barkers still being drafted high so today's drafting isn't full proof. I think anyone thinking RNH is a for sure "Elite" needs to really reconsider their opinion because no where have I seen any reputable scouting report say he's going to be "Elite" or a Franchise player. I think RNH tops out at a P.Statsny if were lucky. So in saying that I think there is the potential for a deal to be made and for us to win it depending on what player is coming back.

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