The Odd Couple

Lowetide
July 30 2011 07:13AM

Craig MacTavish and Rob Schremp have spent much of this summer on the outside looking in. One of them appears to have landed gainful employment. The other is still job hunting. For both men, the last several years have been a series of highs and lows.

For many Oiler fans (including me) Craig MacTavish remains a high water mark in terms of competent coaching for the town team. A solid technical coach and in game tactician, he was a big part of the Oilers Stanley run 2006 spring. His coaching strategy in that stretch (especially against the Red Wings) earned him a reputation of being a guy who could take a good team a long way.

Unfortunately for MacT, he never had the horses after the Chris Pronger deal. Coaching is a tough career because if the team loses too many games a change is required; firing the coach is easier than firing 23 hockey players--and less messy. MacT was the Oilers head coach a long time but perhaps spent "too long at the fair" in Edmonton.

It has taken a long time for coach MacTavish to land on his feet. Recent days have revealed he's off to coach the Chicago Wolves of the AHL (Vancouver's farm team) and I think he'll be coaching an NHL team (maybe the Canucks--you never know) in the next year or so. He was considered for Minnesota's head coaching position this summer and with his credentials one would think it is only a matter of time.

Why did it take so long for MacT to get another gig? His bout with cancer must have taken him out of the running for a time, and I do think his very public comments in regard to Dustin Penner may too have cost him. Having said all of that, I expect Vancouver fans will be thrilled with their prospects progress this winter. Good for MacT, hopefully this stint in the minors ends that crazy idea that he couldn't develop the kids.

Which brings us to Robbie Schremp. Schremp's fanbase (which is miles and miles) railed against MacT's handling of him as an Oilers prospect. Robbie Schremp led the league in nicknames (Hockey Jesus, Sugartits) before he ever played a game, owing mostly to youtube and Phil Esposito length shifts in the land of legends (London).

The day I posted that Schremp had been placed on waivers, blogosphere commenter "quain" said the following:

  • You're aware this isn't the end right? He's going to go 12-41-53 -29 on the Island playing top PP unit time and we're going to have to hear how we let a complete stud go, over and over again. It never ends. Rob Schremp is like herpes, you can only hope to contain it.

Damned if Rob Schremp didn't go to the Island and post better than expected numbers. 44gp, 7-18-25 -4 and his CorsiRel was a pleasant surprise. He needed to build on that half-season but what the hell the guy has talent, right?

Along came a guy named Michael Grabner via (once again) the waiver wire. Grabner ate Robbie's lunch, and that coupled with a very average season (63gp, 13-13-26 -20) meant he was exposed to waivers again (end of Feb) and lost to the Thrashers. By March 24 the Thrashers were trying him at center between Evander Kane and Radek Dvorak and on the 25th he scored the GWG against the Islanders in what must have been a highlight of the season for him.

Of course, the off-season has been about change. The Thrashers became the Jets and the Jets set him free about a month ago. Schremp has been shopping for work since, but as the summer wears on one wonders if he'll have to return to the minors (or Europe) and wait for another opportunity.

Schremp as an NHL player hasn't been a world beater, but has been able to post some offense. That is the kind of player that often gets multiple chances; although he's played for three NHL teams already Schremp's NHL career likely has a few stops to come.

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Another busy edition of Nation Radio today at noon. Scheduled to appear:

  • Guy Flaming from The Pipeline Show and Coming Down the Pipe! I'll talk to Guy about the Team Canada WJ team's prospects camp in Edmonton this coming week and he'll try to educate me about the NCAA/CHL border war.
  • James Mirtle, Globe and Mail writer and one of the best hockey writers on the planet. I'll ask him about the Lombardi-Tambellini Milagro Beanfield War, Nikolai Khabibulin's situation and the Islanders arena situation.
  • Mark Spector from Rogers Sportsnet. One of Edmonton's most credible media people gets a one hour daily show and I'll ask him what Oiler fans can expect when the show hits the air.
  • Jim Byers from the OKC Barons. We'll talk about the Oilers activity this summer and how it might impact the Barons. There's a chance players like Teemu Hartikainen and Jeff Petry return to OKC and I'll ask him about which of last season's prospects he considers most NHL ready.
  • Dustin Nielson from Team 1260's Nielson and Chase morning show. A draft geek like myself and a guy who loves sports, he's got yet another gig starting in the fall and I'll ask him about it.

As always, email questions and comments are welcome at nationradio@theteam1260.com and I imagine there will be a few questions about NK, the Smyth-Fraser deal and Team 1260's brand new shows. Bring it on, we'll answer everything we can and make sure your comments hit the air.

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#1 dawgtoy
July 30 2011, 07:22AM
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Can't wait for today show. Also, it was ugly, but way to go 5-0 Eskies!

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#2 dawgtoy
July 30 2011, 07:25AM
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LT, you get up earlier then my twins! Sorry about the grammar, but edit button doesn't work on the IPAD. Just glad to be #1 like the Eskimos.

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#3 Oilcruzer
July 30 2011, 07:56AM
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dawgtoy wrote:

LT, you get up earlier then my twins! Sorry about the grammar, but edit button doesn't work on the IPAD. Just glad to be #1 like the Eskimos.

Edit works just fine on the iPad.

....edit... Winning ugly is better than losing pretty. (Did she really say that too?)

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#4 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 30 2011, 08:18AM
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lol @ Shcremp fan boys.

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#5 ricky p
July 30 2011, 08:37AM
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I like MacT. However, not as a coach. Do you think the reason he is not back in the NHL is because lots of other people, like MacT, but not as a coach? The fact he landed in the minors tells me someone is going to see if they are wrong and maybe he is a good coach.

As for the Oiler cup run, Mac T was in the right place at the right time, he could do no wrong. The team KLowe assembled had more to do with the run, than MacT's ability

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#6 a lg dubl dubl
July 30 2011, 08:39AM
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wonder if ST would give Shremp a shot down in OKC?

EDIT- Id hate to see MacT coaching the Cansucks

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#7 Saytalk
July 30 2011, 08:45AM
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There isn't anything in sport more tacky and kitschy than a coach or GM taking a media commentator job when trying to land a real job. It's as if your previous job was done so poorly that only a media outlet will hire you while every team takes a few years to forget what you've done. Reminds me of Matt Millen and the Detroit Lions. What's worse is that there is nothing about commentator work that really makes you a better coach or GM, so your skills become obsolete as time passes. Cripes, at least take an advisory gig with somebody, even a junior team, but at least find something with substance.

I liked MacTavish. He used solid strategy and tactics, and his teams always OVER-ACHIEVED for their given talent level. That is a sign of a good coach. However, taking that job with TSN was a terrible move, and because of that: having to wait a few years before getting an AHL job is no surprise. In fact, I thought it would have taken even longer.

MacT was (and maybe still is) a very good coach, but he needs to get better career advice.

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#8 knobby
July 30 2011, 08:47AM
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There is one other difference between these two. MacT had a silver spoon in his mouth after his playing career ended. He had what...two seasons as an assistant coach before he became a head coach. Does that happen in the real world of pro-sports unless one of your best buddies hires you when he takes a premature jump to GM? When the going got really tough he had only his experience as a player to call upon. I think he waited a long time to get hired because his conduct vis-a-vis public criticism of players messed up his reputation with alot of organizations. His stand up act in front of reporters was not well received in all quarters I guess.

Shremp was probably a reach by the Oil when they drafted him. He too was lacking good coaching in London when Hunter et al let him off the hook as far as learning the complete junior game not to mention preparing him to be a complete player at the NHL level. MacT got lots of chances, eight seasons worth, and had to finally fire himself.

Both MacT and Shremp were lacking a proper apprenticeship to be able to produce at the pro-level. Maybe neither one will be able to completely live that down. We'll see...

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#10 justDOit
July 30 2011, 09:15AM
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Not to take anything away from MacT, who did a great job of getting that Oiler team to the SC finals, but I felt that injuries and the '06 Olympics hurt the Wings in the first round against the Oilers.

And Schremp? I think "Bye" was about all we really needed to say about that guy. I watched him play a preseason game here in Calgary, and that was one of the most pathetic performances I've ever seen.

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Wow you are able to get Mark Spector on a Saturday of a long weekend?

That's one helluva lineup.

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Schremp seems like a guy that might do well in the KHL. Wonder if he is willing to go that route. I can't see him making too many teams out of training camp so odds are he is making peanuts in the AHL for most of the year.

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#13 justDOit
July 30 2011, 09:54AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Schremp seems like a guy that might do well in the KHL. Wonder if he is willing to go that route. I can't see him making too many teams out of training camp so odds are he is making peanuts in the AHL for most of the year.

I don't see any benefit of larger ice for a guy who can't stay with his check after losing a faceoff.

The best thing for Robbie Youtube's hockey career would be to go to the Swiss league, where he can learn how to play defence.

Aside from that, he should probably hire a good coach and apply for his PGA card!

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#14 gongshow
July 30 2011, 09:59AM
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From my conversations with several Oilers who played under MacT's watch, if you were a top 6 guy, you could do no wrong. If you were outside of the top 6, he constantly kept you in the dark (maybe as part of his strategy to keep guys on edge?)

Also, in speaking with certain members of his staff, he was utterly resistant to input or ideas that were not generated within his own skull.

I always liked him as an interview and I think that he should get credit for some brilliant coaching during the Cup run in '06.

However, alongside my above comments, there haven't been too many coaches that have mismanaged goalies as poorly as MacT.

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#15 justDOit
July 30 2011, 10:14AM
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@gongshow

re: Brilliant coaching on '06.

I'm 99.9% with you on that, save for putting Markannen in the press box for the finals!

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#16 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 30 2011, 10:54AM
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gongshow wrote:

From my conversations with several Oilers who played under MacT's watch, if you were a top 6 guy, you could do no wrong. If you were outside of the top 6, he constantly kept you in the dark (maybe as part of his strategy to keep guys on edge?)

Also, in speaking with certain members of his staff, he was utterly resistant to input or ideas that were not generated within his own skull.

I always liked him as an interview and I think that he should get credit for some brilliant coaching during the Cup run in '06.

However, alongside my above comments, there haven't been too many coaches that have mismanaged goalies as poorly as MacT.

"there haven't been too many coaches that have mismanaged goalies as poorly as MacT."

How about Tom Renney and to a lesser extent Pat Quinn.

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#17 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 30 2011, 10:55AM
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gongshow wrote:

From my conversations with several Oilers who played under MacT's watch, if you were a top 6 guy, you could do no wrong. If you were outside of the top 6, he constantly kept you in the dark (maybe as part of his strategy to keep guys on edge?)

Also, in speaking with certain members of his staff, he was utterly resistant to input or ideas that were not generated within his own skull.

I always liked him as an interview and I think that he should get credit for some brilliant coaching during the Cup run in '06.

However, alongside my above comments, there haven't been too many coaches that have mismanaged goalies as poorly as MacT.

Also, interesting comments re top 6/bottom 6.... seeing as the general perception was that he favored pluggers and grinders.

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#18 FastOil
July 30 2011, 11:14AM
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MacT is a smart coach who knows the game.

I see his weakness as people skills. the difference between folks who run things at any level, but especially the highest, is the ability to get people to do what you want done and keep them on board.

Some yell, some are disciplinarians, some have charisma, some are weird like Bowman and his disciple Keenan, some maybe a bit of everything.

I think MacT's not rising through the coaching ranks hurt him here. He let frustration get in his way - reminds me of Gretzky coaching. I'll bet he'll have learned and will be better.

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#19 In the Grease
July 30 2011, 11:54AM
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At the risk of embarrassing myself for not being entirely clear on this, but can someone please explain exactly why Rob Schremp was such a polarizing figure in his time in Edmonton?

Obviously he had some offensive talent judging by his boxcars from junior, and it seems that defense was not really in his reportoire... but was he considered to have a big ego? Was it something he said specifically? Or did?

There has always been a lot of sarcasm directed his way, and even his nicknames of 'Hockey Jesus' and 'Sugartits' I have never fully understood the reason behind. Showboating?

Again, sorry if I missed it (happens sometimes living in NY), would anyone mind enlightening me?

Thanks

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#20 positivebrontefan
July 30 2011, 11:58AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"there haven't been too many coaches that have mismanaged goalies as poorly as MacT."

How about Tom Renney and to a lesser extent Pat Quinn.

Has anyone watched the Flyers for the last 20 years?

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#21 Quicksilver ballet
July 30 2011, 12:00PM
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dawgtoy wrote:

Can't wait for today show. Also, it was ugly, but way to go 5-0 Eskies!

We're fortunate to come away with 2 pts last night. Watching it on the tube it sure looked like Toronto won the battle in the trenches when Ray was on the field. Even with just three guys coming the O line had trouble keeping them out of the backfield.

It's a good thing Toronto didn't have a quarterback or we may have been blown out last night. It doesn't get any easier next weekend going into Winnipeg, their D,line has almost double the QB sacks compared to the rest of the league going into week six.

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#22 justDOit
July 30 2011, 01:08PM
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@In the Grease

I don't have any examples, but he was seen as 'cocky' when talking to the media. I can't say that I blame him - after all, he was/is immensely talented.

From what I saw of him with the Oilers, I stick by my recommendation of him pursuing the PGA.

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#23 Quicksilver ballet
July 30 2011, 01:40PM
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From the waist up Robbie Schremp is as advertised. His footspeed is what holds him back along with his compete level. If he had the feet to match the hands and a little more drive, things would be very different for Robbie these days.

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#24 9 Inches Uncut
July 30 2011, 01:50PM
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Mac-T is LT's weakness. He looks back to fondly on the guy. His last season with the Oilers was bizarre and helped him lose his job.

Prior to that we go to enjoy his growing pains as a coach like the time Modano ate Comrie's lunch on an ownzone draw with 10 seconds left in the period that ended in the back of the net. Or the time the Oilers tied the Stars to force overtime and Mac-T put out Laraque and Murray against Guerin and Modano. Took all of 30 seconds to find the back of the net on those stalwarts we threw out there.

Had it not been for the magical run that ended in losing the cup. Nobody would care about his tenure with the Oilers.

It's kind of sad that all he can get is an AHL gig. The sort of thing he and Lowe didn't have to do when they were hired through the Oilers nepotism program.

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#25 rindog
July 30 2011, 02:26PM
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Lowetide wrote:

From what we know, his players hated Bowman on a day to day basis. Loved the Stanley's and playoff bonuses though.

Winning is the currency for coaches. There aren't many easy going types in the union.

Which makes it odd that you support a guy like MacT?

If one is to give him credit for the cup run in '06 - one must also hand him the blame (or a lot of it) for all of the other failed seasons during his tenure.

MacT had CFP which enabled him to sit back and trap the Redwings. Being able to throw Pronger out for 30 minutes a night is an easy recipe for success. Throw in Roli's heroics and a Kontos/Druce like performance from Pisani and you have a pretty smooth path the Stanley Cup Finals.

I try to be objective, but it was very difficult to watch the style in which the Oilers played while MacT was coach.

My biggest complaint in regards to MacT's coaching was the inability to have the team play an actual system of any kind. Everything his teams seemed to do was reactionary - in that; the team would sit back and take what the other teams had without dictating any set game plan. This was extremely evident on home ice.

Too many times I watched his dmen "bang it" around the boards or his forwards collapse to the goal crease or dump it in and sit back.

In a game where puck possession is key - MacT coached teams seemed to always be without it and no real plan on how to get it.

To this day I still feel MacT was here for way too long considering what he did (or DIDN'T) accomplish.

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#26 Woodguy
July 30 2011, 03:27PM
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Oilers under MacT in 07/08 19th in NHL, 9th in WC, 88pts.

Oilers under MacT in 08/09 21st in NHL, 11th in WC, 85pts.

Basically same line up in 09/10 under Quinn 30th in NHL, 15th in WC, 62pts.

I don't think MacT was the problem.

He should have retro actively been given the Adams.

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#27 rindog
July 30 2011, 04:23PM
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Woodguy wrote:

Oilers under MacT in 07/08 19th in NHL, 9th in WC, 88pts.

Oilers under MacT in 08/09 21st in NHL, 11th in WC, 85pts.

Basically same line up in 09/10 under Quinn 30th in NHL, 15th in WC, 62pts.

I don't think MacT was the problem.

He should have retro actively been given the Adams.

Can you please explain how the line-up was basically the same?

If I am not mistaken the 09/10 Oiles lead in the league in man games lost to injury and were over 150 more than the 2nd team.

When you consider that a large chunk of those games lost were to an allstar (ppg at the time)winger and the team's best defenseman. As well as a Stanley Cup winning goalie - I think we can stop the comparison right there...

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#28 Woodguy
July 30 2011, 09:05PM
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As well as a Stanley Cup winning goalie

Billy Smith got hurt?

Or was it Fuhr?

Khabby had a .909 when he went down

JDD had a .901 for the year in 48gp

DD had a .889 in 19 games, so a bit of drop there, but given his GP wasn't a huge part of the problem.

Gonna have to get my daughter to be before I can post players and gp.

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#29 dawgtoy
July 30 2011, 09:28PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

I'd argue that sometimes a good team finds a way to win, even when things aren't going well, and that is what they did. Yes Toronto had a third string quarterback playing, and didnt have their star running back, but their D played tough. I fully agree another good measuring stick will come vs a very stingy Winnipeg D, which is killing it right now. Hopefully the Oilers will be on the good side of night like this, finding ways to win games that they have no business winning.

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 30 2011, 09:50PM
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Lol @ those that still think MacT was the problem.

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#31 Dave Lumley
July 31 2011, 12:43AM
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Schremp remains an enigma to me. I think MacT handled him very poorly.

I can't help but think about Mike Bossy, another later first round pick (15th out of 18 on 77). Was he fast -no. As a rookie did he have defensive liabilities - yes. But Al Arbour gave him a chance to become the goal scorer he was in junior. You need confidence and moxy to fill that role, both for the coach and the player.

MacT punished all of that out of Schremp in my mind. The result is not surprising in any way.

If not for that cup run MacT would fade into obscurity. I remember thinking after the run how we will be stuck with him for a few more years. Bad times for the Oil.

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#32 kgo
July 31 2011, 01:31AM
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didn't shcremp throw a water bottle at the referee during the memorial cup finals?

I seem to remember him having a hissy fit on the big screen, and then somebody from the oil, possibly macT suggesting the theatrics would cost Schremp his cup of coffee that year.

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#33 chartleys
July 31 2011, 02:19AM
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No real issue with MacT as a coach but he definitely lost his marbles the last couple years. Couldn't really blame him but when you've earned your stripes coaching a hard nosed, scrappy, grinding type system and suddenly management starts handing you smaller, offense first type players it's a lose lose situation. Procurement did not bring the type of players MacT could work with.

That being said, I'm not sure MacT is very good with padded gloves. This isn't a problem until you are trying to bring along the scrhemps, nilssons and, even somewhat the Penners. Some people don't respond to horsewhipping and are more encouragement based. I don't really see MacT having this in him. I think sugartits could have a marginal career as a soft opp/power play guy but these aren't the type of guys MacT has any interest in bringing along. This likely set Schremp back a bit. The guy definitely seemed whipped by the end.

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#34 prgmoose
July 31 2011, 02:28AM
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In the Grease wrote:

At the risk of embarrassing myself for not being entirely clear on this, but can someone please explain exactly why Rob Schremp was such a polarizing figure in his time in Edmonton?

Obviously he had some offensive talent judging by his boxcars from junior, and it seems that defense was not really in his reportoire... but was he considered to have a big ego? Was it something he said specifically? Or did?

There has always been a lot of sarcasm directed his way, and even his nicknames of 'Hockey Jesus' and 'Sugartits' I have never fully understood the reason behind. Showboating?

Again, sorry if I missed it (happens sometimes living in NY), would anyone mind enlightening me?

Thanks

i think it was his obvious offensive skills. i was one of the fans who really wanted him to succeed because he could have been very exciting to watch. i still hope he turns it around

the haters i think saw that talent as well but where frustrated by the lack of commitment to take his game to a new level.

i really would have liked to have seen him get a long look on the oilers roster even though he may not have truly deserved it. some may scoff at giving a player a spot he hasnt earned and i understand why. but i believe there was a better chance of him realizing/learning what an nhl player is by being around guys like smyth horcoff and such for at least one full season. then to have him be in the minors playing (showboating).

this is especially true because during his time in the organization there was no support or stability because we didn't have a proper farm team to groom him. i believe the oil where as much to blame for his lack of progress as he was.

Omark is our new schremp. love him for his talent or hate him for his cockiness. but i think most would agree he has more drive then robbie had. maybe nilsson was more like schremp.

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#36 ed in mada
July 31 2011, 08:31AM
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Dave Lumley wrote:

Schremp remains an enigma to me. I think MacT handled him very poorly.

I can't help but think about Mike Bossy, another later first round pick (15th out of 18 on 77). Was he fast -no. As a rookie did he have defensive liabilities - yes. But Al Arbour gave him a chance to become the goal scorer he was in junior. You need confidence and moxy to fill that role, both for the coach and the player.

MacT punished all of that out of Schremp in my mind. The result is not surprising in any way.

If not for that cup run MacT would fade into obscurity. I remember thinking after the run how we will be stuck with him for a few more years. Bad times for the Oil.

ROB SCHREMP ANOTHER MIKE BOSSY

ROB SCHEMP ANOTHER MIKE BOSSY

ROB SCHREMP ANOTHER MIKE BOSSY

Where's Jim Mora when you need him?

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#37 Woodguy
July 31 2011, 09:57AM
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Oilers who played more than 30gp in 08/09, MacT's last year. Players in order of gp highest to lowest:

NOTE: Players who were traded only have Oiler games listed

Andrew Cogliano 82

Tom Gilbert 82

Sheldon Souray 81

Steve Staios 80

Shawn Horcoff 80

Kyle Brodziak 79

Dustin Penner 78

Ethan Moreau 77

Sam Gagner 76

Denis Grebeshkov 72

Ales Hemsky 72

Jason Strudwick 71

Robert Nilsson 64

Dwayne Roloson 63

Marc-Antoine Pouliot 63

Erik Cole 63

Ladislav Smid 60

Zack Stortini 52

Lubomir Visnovsky 50

Liam Reddox 46

Fernando Pisani 38

Oilers who played more than 30gp in 09/10, Quinn's HC year, the year after MacT. Players in order of gp highest to lowest:

Andrew Cogliano 82

Tom Gilbert 82

Dustin Penner 82

Zack Stortini 77

Shawn Horcoff 77

Ethan Moreau 76

Patrick O'Sullivan 73

Jason Strudwick 72

Sam Gagner 68

Gilbert Brule 65

Ryan Potulny 64

Robert Nilsson 60

Lubomir Visnovsky 57

Ladislav Smid 51

Jean-Francois Jacques 49

Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers 48

Denis Grebeshkov 47

Mike Comrie 43

Taylor Chorney 42

Steve Staios 40

Fernando Pisani 40

Sheldon Souray 37

Marc-Antoine Pouliot 35

There are some differences, most notably Hemsky's absense (played 22game in 09/10), but to argue that Quinn had a significantly different line up (due to injuries or other factors) than MacT is false in my opinion. Rolly posted a .915 in his 63gms and JDD posted a .901 in his 48gms.

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#38 pelhem grenville
July 31 2011, 10:52AM
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...wow ...the sun sure didn't have a very busy news day yesterday...front page page 2 page 3 page 4 page 5 for our goalies' first day in the clink...

...nice overkill

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#39 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 31 2011, 11:20AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...wow ...the sun sure didn't have a very busy news day yesterday...front page page 2 page 3 page 4 page 5 for our goalies' first day in the clink...

...nice overkill

hang on here. are you trying to suggest the Sun has more then just a pretty girl trying to be a architect or doctor in the sports section?

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#40 Dave Lumley
July 31 2011, 12:44PM
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@ed in mada

I did not say Schremp was another Mike Bossy. I wanted to comment that they had similar problems - Slow, poor defence and similar assets - Great junior scoring career, later first round picks. Mike Bossy won the Calder scoring 53 goals while going -4.

My real point that Al Arbour allowed the development to happen in spite of the flaws and MacT did not. Could Schremp have developed to even be a shadow of Bossy? We'll never know but that is why they drafted him.

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#41 pelhem grenville
July 31 2011, 12:57PM
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cableguy thanks for the memories...not suggesting that all but i do long for the good old days when real tits 'n ass was run three columns by full depth on page3 !!!

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#42 ed in mada
July 31 2011, 12:58PM
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Rob Schremp scored 23 goal in his first pro season on the AHL, Mike Bossy scored 53 in the NHL. Thta difference is not due to a coach.

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#43 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 31 2011, 01:10PM
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He was in a DEVELOPMENT league to develop. He was only around Mctavish for a few weeks per year. MacT had little to nothing to do with Schremps development... Or lack of.

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#44 gcw_rocks
July 31 2011, 01:12PM
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I like MacT as a coach of a veteran laden team, but I thought he was a disaster with young players. He would be a good for for the Sharks or the Caps if vacancies arise there. But I wouldn't put him within a million miles of a young team.

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#45 Dave Lumley
July 31 2011, 01:28PM
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ed in mada wrote:

Rob Schremp scored 23 goal in his first pro season on the AHL, Mike Bossy scored 53 in the NHL. Thta difference is not due to a coach.

We know the history. The question is was he developed properly. Obviously he was drafted for his offensive gifts.

I like Tambo in that he admitted that the Oilers devlop poorly and part of his plan has been to change that. Other than Horcoff who did MacT devlop?

Another casualty to poor coaching. I am not saying that Schremp was the next Bossy but was he doomed from the start re: the coach.

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#46 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 31 2011, 02:45PM
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Dave Lumley wrote:

We know the history. The question is was he developed properly. Obviously he was drafted for his offensive gifts.

I like Tambo in that he admitted that the Oilers devlop poorly and part of his plan has been to change that. Other than Horcoff who did MacT devlop?

Another casualty to poor coaching. I am not saying that Schremp was the next Bossy but was he doomed from the start re: the coach.

I'd love to hear how he ruined his development from a whole different league.

Theirs players all around the league the MacT helped develop.

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#47 Dave Lumley
July 31 2011, 06:17PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'd love to hear how he ruined his development from a whole different league.

Theirs players all around the league the MacT helped develop.

I trust you are thinking about some of his personal favorites such as Marc Antoine Pouliot and Patrick Thoreson. I remember MacT sending Pouliot out on shootouts. Give me a break. Of course others under his watch include Brad Winchester, Kyle Brodziak, JF Jacques, etc. Look at all the young Dmen who hit the skids.

Who kept Schremp in the AHL? MacT and when he brought him up he sat him in the press box or on the bench and gave him brief time on a checking line.

There is always an exception so to be fair, I will give you Ales Hemsky. Just shows how good Hemsky is, even MacT couldn't muck him up.

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#48 Ducey
July 31 2011, 09:28PM
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Another casualty to poor coaching. I am not saying that Schremp was the next Bossy but was he doomed from the start re: the coach.

Sorry man. You have been listening to too much Bob Stauffer or something.

Schremp played 7 freaken games for Mac T. Not much of a chance for the coach to screw him up, eh?

A scout said of Robbie when he was playing on the farm some thing along the lines of: Some players go in the corners and win battles. Some players go in the corners and lose battles. Robbie has no interest in the battle.

Tells you all you need to know.

He has had chances with NYI and ATL and still has not stuck.

Blaming his problems on MacT is idiotic.

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#49 kgo
July 31 2011, 11:25PM
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MacT could only develop penalty killers.

I remember watching the playoffs one year and seeing the following ex-oiler penalty killers in the first round (Grier, marchant, hecht, toby peterson, cleary, smyth chimera and stoll) it seemed that every PK had an oil stain.

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#50 Wax Man Riley
August 01 2011, 02:35AM
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Interesting stat (if not slightly useless) from his junior years:

One year he scores 90 pts and is +36... pretty good.

Then the next year he scores 145 pts (wow) and is +17. Which is surprising with all the points he scored.

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