Another Beauty On the Way

Lowetide
August 28 2011 10:34AM

Lost among all of the excitement over the electric foursome of Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Magnus Paajarvi and Linus Omark, Teemu Hartikainen established himself as an outstanding prospect in 2010-11. Hartikainen displayed a wide range of skills, posted solid AHL numbers at age 20 and impressed when called to the show. How good is he?

There's nothing worth looking at here

Not true. Over the years, Edmonton's AHL teams have sent a lot of quality up the pipeline. It's true that their "pure skill" players like Michel Riesen and Rob Schremp haven't found the range at the NHL level, but Hartikainen has a nice range of skills and could be an actual NHL player down the line. The Oilers have shown an ability to develop that player type quite well.

Like who?

There are a few. Allow me to post Hartikainen's numbers at 20 years old and then add in a group of players who also arrived in the AHL at 20 with the organization. These players may not be ideal comparables, but do fit the "wide range of skills" we're looking for and have played at least some NHL games.

  • LW Teemu Hartikainen (10-11 Oklahoma City Barons). 66gp, 17-25-42 .636ppg Hartikainen is a big kid who can win battles and drive to the net (we saw a beauty example early in his NHL career) and he scored pretty well for the Barons. He doesn't have big time speed but brings some nice things to his game. His 42 points represents 17.5% of the Barons offense, which is a nice number.
  • C Jarret Stoll (02-03 Hamilton Bulldogs) 76gp, 21-33-54 .711ppg Although the PPG is higher and Stoll is a center, there are some good things about this comparable. Stoll played on a very strong team (this was a shared team with the Habs) so the number may be inflated a little. Also, footspeed was also an issue with Stoll and he's had a solid career (if sidelined some by concussion problems). His 54 points in 02-03 represents 20% of the Bulldog offense that season, and he's an interesting comp for Hartikainen.
  • LW Jason Chimera (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs). 78gp, 15-13-28 .359ppg One of the things we need to factor in (without being able to) is playing time. Chimera played a full season but one doubts he was seeing a lot of PP opportunities. The speed issue is the other roadblock for this comp, but I think it's worth listing him here. Hartikainen was far superior to Chimera as a 20-year old rookie but Chimera's improvement was impressive over the following seasons and of course he's had an NHL career. His 28 points represent 12.8% of Bulldog offense.
  • RW Kyle Brodziak (04-05 Edmonton Roadrunners) 56gp, 6-26-32 .571 His AHL debut at 20 came on a very poor offensive team, and his 32 points reprsent 18.6% of the Roadrunner offense. His slow and steady rise through the organizational depth chart was given a huge boost when he arrived in TC fall 2007 in top condition and with an attitude that suggested he belonged. I hesitate to use him as a comp because his career path was unusual, but do believe that original team was so bad that Brodziak's offensive ability took some time (and a better team) to establish itself at the pro level.

I think the Stoll comp is the strongest, and we know that he has in fact been a top 6F for much of his NHL career. I think it's reasonable to suggest that Hartikainen could emerge as a legit top 6F on an NHL team.

 WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

It could mean all kinds of things. It could force a move to center for Taylor Hall or Jordan Eberle or Magnus Paajarvi. It could mean Ryan Smyth doesn't get a contract next summer, it could mean Ales Hemsky is dealt sooner than later and it could mean that someone steals Linus Omark before the Oilers discover how good he is.

However, I don't think there's much bad news about Teemu Hartikainen. If he is sent to Okla City this fall and continues to rip it up, the Oilers hand will be forced.

The AHL team that produced Linus Omark and Jeff Petry a year ago is ready to offload another gem.

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#1 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 10:46AM
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Fist things Fist...Ann Hathaway is all kinds of HOT

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#2 T.C.
August 28 2011, 10:47AM
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I think you should have an entire article of "what does it mean pictures".

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#3 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 10:51AM
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If ST doesnt resign Smytty next off-season for at least another yr he's a bigger boob than i ever thought, and re-signing Hemsky to at least a 3 yr contract should be a must too, injuries aside the team still needs his scoring for the time being.

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#4 Phil
August 28 2011, 11:06AM
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Rather than not renewing Smyth's contract or moving a winger to the already clogged center position, let's see what we can do in terms of moving some of the wingers around.

Once Hartikainen and RNH are ready for the NHL, a tough decision will have to be made to trade Omark. Why Omark? Ideally yes it'd be great to keep him, but he's the most defensively spotty at this point in time in regards to the kids, and he's a smaller guy (something the Oilers already have a ton of), and making room for Hartikainen would bring a bigger player to the roster. His linemate Paajarvi can also play either wing, and there's still time to develop one guy on that side, so there's no reason the 3rd line can't at least start out as Hartikainen-Belanger-Paajarvi.

If both RNH and Hartikainen force the issue at this year's training camp? Shop Gagner and Omark as a pair for a top 4 d-man. Personally I'd start with seeing if Nashville will take them for the rights to Shea Weber. Why? Nashville can save money (something their ownership needs them to do), they gain cap space (good), they gain some good youngsters who can help increase their scoring now and in the future (they were the lowest scoring playoff team in the West last season). And both Gagner and Omark will gain a higher profile and more ice time than they'd get with the Oilers. The Oilers would finally gain that great d-man they'd need to put them over the top (or at least in the playoffs), and they have the cap space and stable ownership to sign Weber long term. It'd be the biggest blockbuster trade Tambo ever pulls off, and it would fall right into his lap just like Smyth did. They'd also solve the forward roster glut and get bigger at forward (something they need). Still issues in goal, granted, but one thing at a time here....

IMO we'll need to hang on to Smyth for a couple of seasons after his current contract expires because we'd need him on the ice to continue mentoring the youngsters (assuming he'll sign for a lower cap hit).

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#7 Lofty
August 28 2011, 11:33AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Phil: Sorry, didn't see your post. Agree that Omark would be a candidate for trade, but I'm not certain it's the best option.

I fear that he gets traded to a team in the West and could repeadedly remind Oilers why patience is so important with player development. I really hope they give keep for another year to see what he has.

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#8 justDOit
August 28 2011, 11:53AM
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Lofty wrote:

I fear that he gets traded to a team in the West and could repeadedly remind Oilers why patience is so important with player development. I really hope they give keep for another year to see what he has.

Exactly. The only trouble with our rebuild, is that it started after a period of extreme suckage for teams that should have done better. This is making a lot of fans rather impatient for a successful team.

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#9 Archaeologuy
August 28 2011, 12:23PM
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Lofty wrote:

I fear that he gets traded to a team in the West and could repeadedly remind Oilers why patience is so important with player development. I really hope they give keep for another year to see what he has.

He's 24 and was drafted 4 years ago. Patience is great, but production would be better. He's a long time Pro who should be entering his Prime. Being realistic, how much longer should we be waiting for him?

For me, this is his last chance. He will get a full year in the NHL, hes had the summer to prepare, he knows what its all about, and he's 3rd on the depth chart at RW.

If this is Gagner's year to break out, then Omark is 2 years past that point. He will be getting every opportunity, but I dont see how he wouldnt best serve the Oilers in a trade while his perceived value could be as high as its ever been.

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#10 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 12:23PM
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@Lowetide

I get what your saying LT, I wouldn't want Smyth playing on the 4th line either,but I just don't see Smyth coming back for just 1 season its definitely a tough call ST will have to make later this season on who gets moved. IMO as much as I like that the team got tougher on July 1, I think ST signed too many tough guys(Hordichuck) and didn't let guys like Hartikainen show what they could bring to the team, especially during the "re-build".

EDIT: I see Hartikainen evolving into a player like Dan Cleary

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#11 Peterborough
August 28 2011, 12:44PM
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This is the kind of thing that good teams have: Players in the AHL that can step in for ijuries and excell not just tread water. There is no issue letting this man start in the AHL this year and be hungry and ready to rip it up when he gets the call. Same goes for Lander. This a good "problem".

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#12 Clarence Oveur
August 28 2011, 12:45PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

He's 24 and was drafted 4 years ago. Patience is great, but production would be better. He's a long time Pro who should be entering his Prime. Being realistic, how much longer should we be waiting for him?

For me, this is his last chance. He will get a full year in the NHL, hes had the summer to prepare, he knows what its all about, and he's 3rd on the depth chart at RW.

If this is Gagner's year to break out, then Omark is 2 years past that point. He will be getting every opportunity, but I dont see how he wouldnt best serve the Oilers in a trade while his perceived value could be as high as its ever been.

Quoted for truth. I couldn't agree more.

I love the way Linus plays the game offensively. He's exceptionally creative, has fantastic hands, and is a bitch to knock off the puck. What I want to see, like you Archy, is production. He's been a pro for sometime now and accordingly should be expected to produce. His ice time may be somewhat limited if he's on the 3rd line with MPS and Belanger, but he'll get PP time with plenty of opportunities to earn his bacon there.

I like what I see in Omark, very similar player to Hemsky without the yardsales, but it's for the same reasons as #83 that I have my doubts about Linus's ability to really post some big numbers. The kid can play, but it's time to deliver the goods.

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#13 justDOit
August 28 2011, 12:56PM
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@Archaeologuy

Gagner has had 4 NHL seasons to find his game, but I feel that his development has been severely hampered by skipping the AHL.

Omark doesn't even have one complete NHL season under his belt, but he has shown very good signs of being a quick learner.

Why don't we ask some Flames fans if more patience with smaller, talented forwards is a good idea? Like Marty St. Louis or Marc Savard?

Savard was traded away after a 65 point season (2nd on the Flames) for Ruslan Zainullin, and St. Louis was released by the Flames after putting up over a point-per-game in the AHL.

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#14 CrazyCaptain88
August 28 2011, 01:02PM
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LT, with Hartikainen and Lander both pushing for NHL roster spots and RNH, surely going to be on the team next year if not this year, I think it would be wise for the Oilers to package up a Hemsky and and Gagner to address either a solid tender or a top 2 d. What do you think a package of Gagner and Hemsky would fetch around the trade deadline. I'm thinking of a budget team like Nashville who has Weber, Suter and Rinne coming up with big money next season. If we can squeeze out one of those three, that addresses a glaring weakness on our team. I'm sure it'll take more than just Gagner and Hemsky though. I believe we need Gagner and Hemsky on the roster as of right now to make sure the kids are still developing well, but if the kids continue to improve I believe Gagner and Hemsky are two best trade options the Oilers have and would provide the Oilers with a very good return. Barring injuries of course.

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#15 OILERSORDEATH
August 28 2011, 01:03PM
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God I hope Omark comes out of the gates on fire so that we can either sign him long term or get a great trade value for him to an Eastern team!!

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#16 Smokey
August 28 2011, 01:15PM
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I don't think Gagner development was hampered at all. He showed he could play at 18. He would of put up 50 points last year as a second line center on a terrible hockey team. Sam's problem is in a good draft he's a questionably a top ten pick. He has been one of the best players in his draft. He's 22, has had four ok years on rebuilding club. His problem is not that he was developing slowly, its that he lacks consistency. I believe his consistency issues have been due to playing on a team with boatloads of injuries, and because of the constant mixing of lines he's not once in his whole time here has he been playing for long stretches with the same guys. Look at the Sedins stats, or Iginla. It took a long time for these guys to get good. As the team improves Sam will improve and if he will turn into a 60-65 that he's projected to be. Be patient...

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#17 OilBomber
August 28 2011, 01:20PM
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My biggest fear about Omark is that he's a small guy that needs a little more coaching to round out his game but the Oilers lose patience and trade him away for nothing.

My comparable is a guy that played for the U of Vermont in 96-97 season (scoring 24-36-60, 36gp). The guy played in the Flames organization for a couple of years, established himself as a very competent scorer in the AHL during that time (>1 ppg), and had limited success in the NHL as well (56 gp, 18 pts). To make a long story short, the Flames let him walk after the 99-00 season. He then went to Tampa and scored >80 pts in 6 of the 10 seasons there.

Could Omark be a poor man's Marin St Louis?

I don't know about you guys, but I really hope the Oilers get a definitive answer before divesting themselves of him.

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#18 justDOit
August 28 2011, 01:26PM
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@Smokey

I'm not saying to give up on Gags, just that we haven't given him the proper time in the AHL. Therefore, we need to cut him some slack to show us that he can be an NHL center.

But how much more time? Hmmm. Hopefully with 94 back, a good supporting center in Belanger and some quality 4th liners, Gagner will be a better player this year.

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#19 TigerUnderGlass
August 28 2011, 01:28PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

He's 24 and was drafted 4 years ago. Patience is great, but production would be better. He's a long time Pro who should be entering his Prime. Being realistic, how much longer should we be waiting for him?

For me, this is his last chance. He will get a full year in the NHL, hes had the summer to prepare, he knows what its all about, and he's 3rd on the depth chart at RW.

If this is Gagner's year to break out, then Omark is 2 years past that point. He will be getting every opportunity, but I dont see how he wouldnt best serve the Oilers in a trade while his perceived value could be as high as its ever been.

I still have no idea why you are the only person anywhere who doesn't seem to think his rookie season was fairly promising.

Your comments above would have applied perfectly to Datsyuk after his rookie season which, coincidentally, also occurred when he was 23.

I love the way you never back down from your invariably hard-line stances, but this one seems really odd to me.

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#20 Herman_Munster
August 28 2011, 01:28PM
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The one thing that really surprised me about Hartikainen last season was his strength on his skates. I had heard skating (foot speed) was an issue, but I really wasn't expecting him to look as strong as he did as a rookie.

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#21 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 01:35PM
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Herman_Munster wrote:

The one thing that really surprised me about Hartikainen last season was his strength on his skates. I had heard skating (foot speed) was an issue, but I really wasn't expecting him to look as strong as he did as a rookie.

Im with you on that, thats why it suprises me that ST signed so many tough guys this off-season and not really giving Teemu a decent shot on the 3rd/4th lines this season. Not signing Hordichuck would have givin Hartikainen that chance IMO.

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#22 TigerUnderGlass
August 28 2011, 01:37PM
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Clarence Oveur wrote:

Quoted for truth. I couldn't agree more.

I love the way Linus plays the game offensively. He's exceptionally creative, has fantastic hands, and is a bitch to knock off the puck. What I want to see, like you Archy, is production. He's been a pro for sometime now and accordingly should be expected to produce. His ice time may be somewhat limited if he's on the 3rd line with MPS and Belanger, but he'll get PP time with plenty of opportunities to earn his bacon there.

I like what I see in Omark, very similar player to Hemsky without the yardsales, but it's for the same reasons as #83 that I have my doubts about Linus's ability to really post some big numbers. The kid can play, but it's time to deliver the goods.

So you would have had doubts about Datyuk after his rookie season because he hadn't yet managed a point a game?

Why does he need to post "some big numbers"? What do you consider acceptable numbers for us to consider him worthy of a roster spot if the near point a game Hemsky has put up since he was 22 isn't good enough for you?

I swear, it isn't the weather in Edmonton that scares players, it's the number of fans with ridiculous expectations. It's also why I'm worried the team will trade guys like this before they have a chance to settle in.

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#24 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
August 28 2011, 01:40PM
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Seeing Weber in Oilers silks would give me a permanent grin, but Hemsky and Gagner wouldn't cut it (as Captain said). Whitney/Weber/Gilbert/Petry is as good a top 4D as this team has seen in a while.

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#25 OilFan
August 28 2011, 01:46PM
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@Lowetide

Why couldn't they play Smyth on 4th line ?

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#27 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 01:54PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Seeing Weber in Oilers silks would give me a permanent grin, but Hemsky and Gagner wouldn't cut it (as Captain said). Whitney/Weber/Gilbert/Petry is as good a top 4D as this team has seen in a while.

I think you'd have to give up Gilbert in a trade that would bring back Weber just to offset salary

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#28 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 01:57PM
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@Lowetide

Would you give up Jones to keep Smyth for a yr or 2 more? and put Hartikainen on the 4th line. I would Im just curious on your thoughts

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#29 Shapeman
August 28 2011, 02:01PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

So you would have had doubts about Datyuk after his rookie season because he hadn't yet managed a point a game?

Why does he need to post "some big numbers"? What do you consider acceptable numbers for us to consider him worthy of a roster spot if the near point a game Hemsky has put up since he was 22 isn't good enough for you?

I swear, it isn't the weather in Edmonton that scares players, it's the number of fans with ridiculous expectations. It's also why I'm worried the team will trade guys like this before they have a chance to settle in.

I don't think many people would have the same opinion of Datsyuk because he was on a stacked Red Wings team and even if he was half of the devensive player he is now, he would still be much better than Linus in that department (Ask Robin or LT about Datsyuk's rookie year I was too young too remember it). If Linus can post 50 points I'll still think he's a very useful player to have around.

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#30 justDOit
August 28 2011, 02:02PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I think you'd have to give up Gilbert in a trade that would bring back Weber just to offset salary

But that's what the Preds are trying to avoid - having to pay any players big salaries.

I agree that Hemsky and Gagner wouldn't be enough though - it would probably take Hemmer, Gags, Teubert and a 1st rounder to make that deal happen. And worth every penny!

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#32 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 02:09PM
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K let me get this right instead of taking 1 player at 4mil to get rid of Webers contract Youd take back Hemsky(5+mil per say), AND Gagner(3mil+).....ok then

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#33 justDOit
August 28 2011, 02:18PM
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@a lg dubl dubl

I thought you meant to add Gilbert to Hemmer and Gags. Sorry bout that.

So Gilbert for Weber, straight up? That sounds like a deal from the days of Slats.

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#34 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 02:19PM
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Im not sold on Jonesy either, I like him just dont think theres much room for him anymore after this yr. Ive thought about Hall at center too, Do you have Halls FO% from this last yr when he did take a draw? It would be interesting to see compared to the other centermen the Oilers have.

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#36 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
August 28 2011, 02:28PM
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"The AHL team that produced Linus Omark and Jeff Petry a year ago is ready to offload another gem."

Booyah. Right there. That's what I like to hear. Makes me feel warm inside.

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#37 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
August 28 2011, 02:28PM
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@Lowetide

So he won 39% more draws than Horcs last year...

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#39 justDOit
August 28 2011, 02:37PM
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The only Oilers with more than 100 draws and an average over 50 were Brule (53.3%), and CVV (52.8%).

nhl.com has a great stats page.

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#40 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 02:38PM
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I might be wrong but at least Hall was better than Cogliano at the draw.

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#41 a lg dubl dubl
August 28 2011, 02:40PM
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justDOit wrote:

I thought you meant to add Gilbert to Hemmer and Gags. Sorry bout that.

So Gilbert for Weber, straight up? That sounds like a deal from the days of Slats.

No worries, I meant Gilbert and a pick or 2 to get Weber, but if ST could get Weber for Tammy Gilbert straight up Id never question the GM again lol.

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#42 justDOit
August 28 2011, 02:40PM
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Cogs had over 1100 draws at 41.6%. Hall 105 draws at 40%.

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#43 justDOit
August 28 2011, 02:43PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

No worries, I meant Gilbert and a pick or 2 to get Weber, but if ST could get Weber for Tammy Gilbert straight up Id never question the GM again lol.

Never underestimate the power of rohypnol!

I suspect the bidding war for Weber would see the return for him include a solid roster player, a high end prospect, and maybe 2 first rounders.

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#44 Quicksilver ballet
August 28 2011, 02:46PM
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@Phil

I like this Phil guy....i like him alot.

Is this Oiler fan Phil from the TSN studious by any chance?

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#45 namflashback
August 28 2011, 03:31PM
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I for one, cannot wait for the year season when the Oilers Management's white knuckled fear of losing a prospect to waivers is directed towards players on the farm who have a chance of being real contributors because they have shown over the maximum amount of time available that they can excel over their peers.

Likely Hartikainen, Petry

Showing Well Hamilton, Teubert

Maybe Klefbom, Marincin

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#46 Archaeologuy
August 28 2011, 04:09PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I still have no idea why you are the only person anywhere who doesn't seem to think his rookie season was fairly promising.

Your comments above would have applied perfectly to Datsyuk after his rookie season which, coincidentally, also occurred when he was 23.

I love the way you never back down from your invariably hard-line stances, but this one seems really odd to me.

Well somebody needs to drive the commentary :).

As far a rookie seasons go it's fine. Except I would hardly classify him as a rookie. He's a veteran of men's pro hockey, he just wasnt playing in the NHL. He has great creativity and flash but the only way I see him climbing the depth chart at RW is if we lose Hemsky. That's not an upgrade.

I just look down the line and I see an expendable player. People shouldnt talk about this guy and his fake rookie season like he's a Hall, Eberle, or Paajarvi. He's older and more experienced than all of them. I certainly don't see the same potential upside for him as the rest. He's much closer to a finished product than the others.

Either way, he has the year to make me look like an idiot before I really think it's time to cut him loose.

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#47 TigerUnderGlass
August 28 2011, 04:26PM
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Shapeman wrote:

I don't think many people would have the same opinion of Datsyuk because he was on a stacked Red Wings team and even if he was half of the devensive player he is now, he would still be much better than Linus in that department (Ask Robin or LT about Datsyuk's rookie year I was too young too remember it). If Linus can post 50 points I'll still think he's a very useful player to have around.

So the excuse for Datsyuk's limited production as a rookie was his stacked team? He got reasonable playing time, better linemates, and much softer minutes. Not only that but he was only +4 on a stacked team that had a +64 goal differential.

The single biggest difference was expectation. Omark hadn't even seen the NHL before, but now he's at his last chance because he didn't put up "big numbers" and apparently even Hemsky-like numbers wouldn't be good enough for some. Who cares how bad the team was right?

Datsyuk had a relatively invisible season on a good team and people saw promise in his play because they didn't expect the world.

It's mostly Arch that surprises me though because it seems like usually his player outlook is a bit more reasonable.

Edit: Sorry Arch - your comment wasn't on my screen when I wrote this

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#48 TigerUnderGlass
August 28 2011, 04:27PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Well somebody needs to drive the commentary :).

As far a rookie seasons go it's fine. Except I would hardly classify him as a rookie. He's a veteran of men's pro hockey, he just wasnt playing in the NHL. He has great creativity and flash but the only way I see him climbing the depth chart at RW is if we lose Hemsky. That's not an upgrade.

I just look down the line and I see an expendable player. People shouldnt talk about this guy and his fake rookie season like he's a Hall, Eberle, or Paajarvi. He's older and more experienced than all of them. I certainly don't see the same potential upside for him as the rest. He's much closer to a finished product than the others.

Either way, he has the year to make me look like an idiot before I really think it's time to cut him loose.

So back to Datsyuk - was his rookie season "fake" and was he a finished product?

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#49 Archaeologuy
August 28 2011, 05:15PM
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Datsyuk's defensive awareness and shooting percentage in his 1st year were head and shoulders above Omark, who couldnt even make the worst team in the league out of camp due to his inability to grasp Renney's system.

How much do you want to lay on the line that Omark will have a Datsyukian career? Pick a dollar amount, I'm game.

Datsyuk is one the league's very best players. He is an exceedingly poor comparable for Omark.

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Lowetide wrote:

I'd certainly give up Jones to keep either player, but I'm not as sold on Jones as some others.

Ideally, you'd keep Smyth on LW and run Hall, Smyth, Paajarvi, Hartikainen for the next coupld of years (when Hartikainen is ready).

But Eager is signed and I expect he's going to be around awhile.

I keep thinking about Hall at center.

A lot of that might turn on Hemsky. It's only speculation, and way too early to know, but there is a ton of uncertainty that could affect next year's forward depth chart, including at LW:

If Hemsky doesn't re-sign or is traded, maybe we'll see a guy like Gagner move to RW, or Paajarvi to RW? We could also see other positional changes, like Hall to C.

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