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Lowetide
August 03 2011 05:00PM

Miles and miles from the lottery, Edmonton's NHL team is drafting good hockey players. That is rarely enough, as we all know that 99% of life's success comes from following through.

A good way to gauge a team's draft success is by counting the number of kids who are developed the old fashioned way: the minors. Seeing a #1 overall pick turn out is great fun, but also expected; even a pick like Sam Gagner should deliver a quality NHL player.

It's the "following through" that makes the difference: taking talented kids and grinding them into useful role players for the National Hockey League. Those men--the tough defensemen, the two way centers, the physical wingers--are extremely valuable to an NHL team.

BENCH STRENGTH

During the twelve year period leading up to the OKC Barons taking to the ice, Oiler fans saw a lot of fits and starts from the club's AHL prospects. Here's a list of Oilers picks and minor league free agents who began their pro careers in the AHL and were good enough to play a game (or more) for the Oilers:

  1. R Georges Laraque 695 games
  2. C Shawn Horcoff 684 games
  3. L Jason Chimera 581 games
  4. C Jarret Stoll 515 games
  5. R Fernando Pisani 462 games
  6. D Marc Andre Bergeron 422 games
  7. D Matt Greene 379 games
  8. D Tom Gilbert 337 games
  9. C Kyle Brodziak 337 games
  10. R Brad Winchester 323 games
  11. R Zack Stortini 256 games
  12. D Alexei Semenov 211 games
  13. G Ty Conklin 200 games
  14. C Marc Pouliot 179 games
  15. L JF Jacques 160 games
  16. C Rob Schremp 114 games
  17. L Patrick Thoresen 106 games
  18. D Theo Peckham 102 games
  19. L Liam Reddox 100 games
  20. L Tony Salmelainen 70 games
  21. R Jani Rita 66 games
  22. D Mathieu Roy 65 games
  23. D Danny Syvret 59 games
  24. G Jeff Deslauriers 58 games
  25. D Taylor Chorney 56 games
  26. G Devan Dubnyk 54 games
  27. D Ales Pisa 53 games
  28. C Tim Sestito 46 games
  29. G Mike Morrison 29 games
  30. D Bryan Young 17 games
  31. C Mike Bishai 14 games
  32. L Michel Riesen 12 games
  33. C Peter Sarno 7 games
  34. D Alex Plante 7 games
  35. D Chris Hajt 6 games
  36. D Doug Lynch 2 games
  37. L Alexei Mikhnov 2 games
  38. R Colin McDonald 2 games
  39. G Mike Minard 1 game
  40. D Johan Motin 1 game

Guys like Tom Poti, Mike Comrie, Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner didn't play in the AHL and Sebastien Bisaillon played all of his NHL games before he played in the AHL. I didn't count those players.

Results

  1. Over those 12 seasons, the Oilers developed about 1 player per year if we assume an NHL player graduates at 200 games.
  2. The Oilers also have several players "on track" to pass 200 games. I'd count Pouliot, Jacques, Schremp and Peckham as "on track" players.
  3. I think we should agree a lower total seems fair for goaltenders. Let's say 125 games for goalers. That would mean that Dubnyk is "on track" as well.
  4. Total: 13 players at 200 games or more and another 5 "on track" for the 12 seasons. That works out to 1.5 actual NHL players per season.

HARD NOSE THE HIGHWAY

The Oilers under Steve Tambellini have made an effort to employ AHL veterans who can help bring the prospects along. This might include facing tough opposition until the kids find their way, scoring enough goals for the team to be confident and competitive, and serving a mentor role as the boys transition into their pro careers. It's a very important job, one that may have helped Pouliot, McDonald, Jacques, Schremp and others in the last decade.

OKC (so far)

  1. R Linus Omark 51 games
  2. D Jeff Petry 35 games
  3. L Teemu Hartikainen 12 games
  4. C Chris VandeVelde 12 games

Guys like Taylor Hall, Magnus Paajarvi and Jordan Eberle didn't play in the AHL, and I've included Petry in this group because this was his first full pro season. I don't know that we can project any of these kids for 200 NHL games, but they certainly showed some things in year one. There's some outstanding talent among those four names. Anton Lander, Curtis Hamilton and others may soon join the list.

That's a helluva first season.

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#1 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
August 04 2011, 07:19AM
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book¡e wrote:

Mike - DSF basically spends his time making quasi-rational or irrational arguments to try and goat people into debating him. He then intensely engages for the whole thread. Keep that in mind when you read (or skip over) his posts.

the DSF handbook basically amounts to:

1) throw out random post re:horcoff,schremp,gagner,mact

2) have BS called

3) ignore those posts

4) throw out more random stuff

5) have that BS called

6) ignore those posts too

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#2 Mike Modano's Dog
August 03 2011, 11:48PM
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DSF wrote:

By almost any measure, Paajarvi had a disappointing season for a 10th overall pick.

His P/60 were well south of the rookie crop of 10/11, his plus/minus was near the bottom of the barrel, his shooting percentage trailed at least one rookie defenseman, his 5v4 P/60 was a little better but hardly in the same area code as the top rookies and he was 399th in the NHL for hits per 60 by a forward.

Comparing him to a complete bust like Steve Kelly might pump his tires somewhat, but why not compare him to top 10 draft choices who actaully 'ripped off a season at 19".

Hold off on the coronation.

Let me guess, this is either Robbie Schremp looking for a job or Kevin Prendergast.

Someone just listed you the last 10 years of #10 overall picks, and you gloss over that fact (perhaps you didn't read it) while focusing on other meaningless stats instead.

"By any measure Paajarvi had a disappointing season for a 10th overall pick" Really? If you're looking at the sport of hockey he is doing really well as a 10th overall pick. We just saw the last 10 years of them and he is looking VERY GOOD for his draft position.

Players tend to not be as good in their rookie season as later on in their careers. I thought I'd point out that trend. He finished in the top 15 in the whole league for rookies, many of whom are older than him. His -15 on a team as bad as the Oilers, not being given the most definsive linemates, is very reasonable, I think. There were a lot of Oilers this year in that same position. Defensively he is actually quite good - especially for a 19 year old. He works really hard at it, and anyone can tell he busts his butt coming back in his own zone. How many 10th overall choices can you say that about?

If you're just wanting to treat him (a mistake) as just a player and ignore the fact he was 19, and a rookie, you could do that. His points rank him 178th in the league, which would make him the 6th best forward on an NHL team, averaging it out (you divide by 30, as you like to say), and his goals have him 167th best, which would average out to the 5th best forward on NHL teams. Not bad for his first year.

You're really stuck on the fact he didn't seem to hit very much. Might that be because he's not a hitter?

I'm just wondering if you're hiding behind statistics instead of just saying you don't like him? If that's the case, just say it then. He was top-10 in the league as a rookie in games played, shots and more importantly, goals. So he got a lot of experience, and thrived in the end.

Oh, and you're right, LT perhaps shouldn't have compared him to Steve Kelly - Steve Kelly was drafted 4 spots before him. The reason I believe it was a good point, however, is that the point he was trying to make is that recent draft choices have been quite good so far. Comparing them to others, including Steve Kelly, drafted in an earlier era by different men were not as successful. You're saying the opposite doesn't make it true.

"Let the coronation begin!"

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#3 book¡e
August 04 2011, 06:43AM
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Mike Modano's Dog wrote:

Let me guess, this is either Robbie Schremp looking for a job or Kevin Prendergast.

Someone just listed you the last 10 years of #10 overall picks, and you gloss over that fact (perhaps you didn't read it) while focusing on other meaningless stats instead.

"By any measure Paajarvi had a disappointing season for a 10th overall pick" Really? If you're looking at the sport of hockey he is doing really well as a 10th overall pick. We just saw the last 10 years of them and he is looking VERY GOOD for his draft position.

Players tend to not be as good in their rookie season as later on in their careers. I thought I'd point out that trend. He finished in the top 15 in the whole league for rookies, many of whom are older than him. His -15 on a team as bad as the Oilers, not being given the most definsive linemates, is very reasonable, I think. There were a lot of Oilers this year in that same position. Defensively he is actually quite good - especially for a 19 year old. He works really hard at it, and anyone can tell he busts his butt coming back in his own zone. How many 10th overall choices can you say that about?

If you're just wanting to treat him (a mistake) as just a player and ignore the fact he was 19, and a rookie, you could do that. His points rank him 178th in the league, which would make him the 6th best forward on an NHL team, averaging it out (you divide by 30, as you like to say), and his goals have him 167th best, which would average out to the 5th best forward on NHL teams. Not bad for his first year.

You're really stuck on the fact he didn't seem to hit very much. Might that be because he's not a hitter?

I'm just wondering if you're hiding behind statistics instead of just saying you don't like him? If that's the case, just say it then. He was top-10 in the league as a rookie in games played, shots and more importantly, goals. So he got a lot of experience, and thrived in the end.

Oh, and you're right, LT perhaps shouldn't have compared him to Steve Kelly - Steve Kelly was drafted 4 spots before him. The reason I believe it was a good point, however, is that the point he was trying to make is that recent draft choices have been quite good so far. Comparing them to others, including Steve Kelly, drafted in an earlier era by different men were not as successful. You're saying the opposite doesn't make it true.

"Let the coronation begin!"

Mike - DSF basically spends his time making quasi-rational or irrational arguments to try and goat people into debating him. He then intensely engages for the whole thread. Keep that in mind when you read (or skip over) his posts.

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#4 @Oilanderp
August 04 2011, 08:27AM
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*frantically chases DSF down the street while viewers watch riveted by the Blair Witch low-tech documentary-style camera*

DSF! DSF! How do you respond to the allegations that you are a sh*t distrurber with little substance and a penchant for ignoring the truth?

*microphone is slapped out of view as black-gloved hands grab for the camera*

DSF! DSF! Oiler Nationers demand to know! How do you respond?

*struggle for the camera resumes as DSF hops in a white Chev Blazer and peels away*

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#5 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 04 2011, 09:46AM
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madjam wrote:

ONation far to conservative , negative and pessimistic about this upcoming season . My prediction this year is they will be better than what most of you predict .

This season should see Gagner and Brule (if he can avoid injury bug ) with a major breakthrough . Last years rookies with decent jump in progress . Defence that might even be respectfull . The tools are on the table for entire club to have many positive breakthroughs unlike last few years ! Their should be unprecedented growth throughout the team this season due to new acquisitions and some newbies as well interjected into lineup .

We will be competitive , have a good shot at playoffs this season and possibly more .I expect to be right again on my prediction for our team this season , just like i was the last 3 seasons .

Got this saved on a word dock for when you start your 6 months of complaining about the team/managment... sometime around mid Oct.

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#6 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 03 2011, 10:05PM
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DSF wrote:

I guess big numbers like 82 games X 30 teams confuse you. Unless you have some evidence that the Oilers' team scorers are less likely to hand out hit stats.

Which, of course, you don't so your comments are totally irrelevant.

And, if you're basing his "production" as a tenth overall pick on his rookie season...he's clearly been sub par.

The comment is completly relavant.

LT says he doesn't trust hit totals... Thiers no way to prove it either way, but if guys play 41 games in an arena that has lower standards for hits their numbers will be higher then those that play in arenas with tougher standards.

Pretty simple.

And I don't know what kind of non-sense you are trying to push with your last sentence. A quick look at past 10th overall picks shows he's doing quite well for himself.

I do however agree he's got a long way to go before he proves he'll have a solid NHL career.

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#7 Ender
August 04 2011, 09:02AM
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justDOit wrote:

why doesn't my keyboard have a cents symbol?

¢learly a ¢ase of defe¢tive produ¢t.

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#8 Westcoastoil
August 03 2011, 05:06PM
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Drafting - the fist step to success

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#9 Puritania
August 03 2011, 06:11PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Lets see some of this MBS guys actually become quality NHL players before we get too excited.

NO! I cannot! I AM TOO EXCITED!!!!!

*places plastic bag over head and passes out*

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#10 Mike Krushelnyski
August 04 2011, 09:00AM
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You should have put #mikebishai on that list, guy loves to search himself.

Fun fact, he's this crazy irl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQld1IbYMI

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#12 @Oilanderp
August 04 2011, 05:50PM
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Ender wrote:

I confess to some curiosity surrounding the picture at the head of this article. I didn't recognize the guy, so I looked at the properties and then ran a search-engine on the result "Burr".

I didn't come up with anything on the guy, but I was introduced to a Rachel Burr. She was worth the search time. Thanks, Lowetide, but maybe you posted the wrong Burr by accident?

I googled images of Rachel Burr and as I was umm...perusing them, my laptop overheated and shutdown and wouldn't restart until i put it in the refrigerator for a while! lol

no lie!

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#13 Wax Man Riley
August 03 2011, 06:54PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

If by chance that ST grows some brass jewels and calls up Nashville to inquire about Weber, I wonder if Gilbert(gotta take some cap hit back),Chorney, & or Omark + next drafts 1st rounder would entice the Preds to say OK.

I might be wrong but as long as Weber's contract isn't more than a 5yr term the Oil should have the cap space to swing a trade like that even with Hall, Eberle and PRV needing to re-sign in 2yrs, this is were shrewd GMing comes in.

Shrewd GMimng eh?

Aren't we talking about the same guy that was able to somehow screw up a trade when the player said the only place he wanted to go was Edmonton?

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#15 a lg dubl dubl
August 03 2011, 07:33PM
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I wonder what Doughty will want now that Weber will be getting 7.5mil for this season...DL must be pooping in his pants right now LOL

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#16 Romanus
August 03 2011, 09:55PM
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@a lg dubl dubl

How did he screw up the Smyth trade? He got him for pretty much nothing. Lombardi is a windbag that's likely more pissed about the Penner deal.

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#17 har de har har
August 04 2011, 10:16AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Got this saved on a word dock for when you start your 6 months of complaining about the team/managment... sometime around mid Oct.

TOO FUNNY

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#18 Quicksilver ballet
August 04 2011, 11:07AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Certainly other factors come into play, but the point is that not all teams have an equal chance at signing a player like that. There are at most a handful of teams the could realistically sign him.

Detroit always seems to be in everyones top three, i was hoping Edmonton would be on that expanded list of 6. As long as we make his acceptable destination list the Oilers may have a shot at a trade and sign when the time comes. Have to think Edmonton could get back on that A list (top 3) in the next 12-18 months, so the Shea Weber to Edmonton talk is tolerable as far as i'm concerned. Weber may not be moved for atleast 12 months anyways. In that time frame, Edmonton will have as good a shot at making a deal for Weber as anybody.

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#19 Mike Krushelnyski
August 04 2011, 01:06PM
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Ender wrote:

Owen Nolan (cover of NHL2001) to tryout for the Canucks this season.

At 39, that's a bit of a stretch, no? Is that really how he wants to end things? 40 games on a checking line in Vancouver?

He just wants to take one final shootout so he can call his shot, then immediately retire.

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#20 dawgbone
August 04 2011, 02:59PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
I understand your point, but any team can make room; it's just a matter of how bad the team wants him over what they're willing to give up.

Yes and no. I would suggest that somewhere near half the league would represent teams he would not want to go to. Then, of the teams he would approve of, some would not be interested due to either cap concerns or personnel already in place. I would suggest Chicago as an example of a team that would not be interested in Weber.

If your argument is that the Winnipeg Jets could never hope to sign Weber, then maybe Oilers fans should stop beating the 'sign Weber' drum as well.

This I agree with completely. I don't see the Oilers as a realistic destination unless they take an unexpectedly big leap forward this season.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't look into things though. I have a real problem with the fact that reportedly no teams even approached Stamkos before he signed, and none have approached Doughty. As a GM how do you not at least make a phone call about guys like that?

Because Burke will scream at you and you'll feel shame.

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#21 Wax Man Riley
August 04 2011, 03:08PM
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madjam wrote:

ONation far to conservative , negative and pessimistic about this upcoming season . My prediction this year is they will be better than what most of you predict .

This season should see Gagner and Brule (if he can avoid injury bug ) with a major breakthrough . Last years rookies with decent jump in progress . Defence that might even be respectfull . The tools are on the table for entire club to have many positive breakthroughs unlike last few years ! Their should be unprecedented growth throughout the team this season due to new acquisitions and some newbies as well interjected into lineup .

We will be competitive , have a good shot at playoffs this season and possibly more .I expect to be right again on my prediction for our team this season , just like i was the last 3 seasons .

To be fair, regarding your last sentence, a trained platypus could predict the Oil at the bottom of the league and out of the playoffs the last few years. Even Vancouver fans said that....

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#22 Wax Man Riley
August 04 2011, 03:13PM
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Ender wrote:

Owen Nolan (cover of NHL2001) to tryout for the Canucks this season.

At 39, that's a bit of a stretch, no? Is that really how he wants to end things? 40 games on a checking line in Vancouver?

....and choking in the playoffs....

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#23 Jodes
August 03 2011, 05:12PM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

Drafting - the fist step to success

Drafting Properly is the first step.. Or do you not recall how the Oilers drafted for most of the 90s and early 00's?

The ship definately corrected itself with Stu "The Magnificent B*st*rd" MacGregor being the head scout!

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#24 treevojo
August 03 2011, 05:12PM
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Not to be a dick. And maybe it doesn't fit into the context that you are portraying, but eberle did play a few tames in the ahl.

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#25 pelhem grenville
August 03 2011, 05:13PM
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...fist Raymond Burr art...very nice...reading now

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#27 treevojo
August 03 2011, 05:20PM
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Lowetide wrote:

At the end of his junior seasons. Eberle was never sent down by the Oilers. You're correct, but I don't think Eberle's PTO games should count against him.

That's what I figured.

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#28 Ender
August 03 2011, 05:25PM
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At first I wasn't sure I agreed with the premise that goalies should be 'on-track' with that many fewer games in the NHL than skaters. If anything, I mused, I would think the typical goalie should have a longer playing career than a skater. That could mean a higher threshold of games played, not lower.

What's the rationale? I guess it's this: if a goalie puts in 50 starts a season for 2.5 seasons, they're at least a 1A/1B goalie on that team. If they can hold that spot for that length of time, then I can see how that puts them on par with the skater that plays 80 games per season over the same span.

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#30 RexLibris
August 03 2011, 05:43PM
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Good point LT. As I've said before, I've argued this point, drafting well in the mid-rounds being as important as nailing the 1st round picks, with fans of other teams.

Just a side note: Did anyone else when they heard about the Weber arbritation settlement feel sorry for the Predators? When I heard it I felt like I was back in the 90s, with good young talent developing and getting pooched by a mediator before having to trade said talent away because we couldn't afford him. I don't suppose Nashville can do much except accept and try to trade near the deadline for a king's ransom.

If I were a Predators fan I'd want to try and trade Weber to the Oil for some forwards, but I don't see Tambellini wanting to take on that much salary.

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#31 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 03 2011, 05:59PM
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Lets see some of this MBS guys actually become quality NHL players before we get too excited.

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#32 Westcoastoil
August 03 2011, 06:06PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Good point LT. As I've said before, I've argued this point, drafting well in the mid-rounds being as important as nailing the 1st round picks, with fans of other teams.

Just a side note: Did anyone else when they heard about the Weber arbritation settlement feel sorry for the Predators? When I heard it I felt like I was back in the 90s, with good young talent developing and getting pooched by a mediator before having to trade said talent away because we couldn't afford him. I don't suppose Nashville can do much except accept and try to trade near the deadline for a king's ransom.

If I were a Predators fan I'd want to try and trade Weber to the Oil for some forwards, but I don't see Tambellini wanting to take on that much salary.

I think Nashville did this to themselves. If the stories are true that they offered $4.75 I'd be majorly PO'd if I was Weber. Weber will be the 5th highest paid defenseman next year, and anyway you slice he is one of the 5th best defensemen in the league. Other teams have their guy at a lower cap hit, but in Nashville's case the full cap hit helps them. They look top be in a very similar boat to the Oilers back in the 90's - on the cusp of putting things together, but unable to keep their best players because of salary let alone add the little extra pieces that are missing.

At least Weber is an RFA next year again - it'll be interesting to see if Suter and Weber get dealt...which makes the Fransen trade make even less sense - I think that will come back to haunt them.

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#33 Quicksilver ballet
August 03 2011, 06:20PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Lets see some of this MBS guys actually become quality NHL players before we get too excited.

Agreed, what does he have to his credit to date....just Eberle so far excluding the lottery selections?

The jury's still out on Harsky,Lander,Paajarvi and Omark etc.

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#34 justDOit
August 03 2011, 06:22PM
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@Puritania

*calls 911, but then hangs up - not knowing where you are*

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#36 Quicksilver ballet
August 03 2011, 06:29PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Well yes and no. The jury's still out on Lander and Hartikainen, but Paajarvi is trending very well. Steve Kelly was a 6th overall pick, he never posted a season in the NHL like the one Paajarvi just ripped off at 19.

Omark was drafted in the KP era.

I guess it's a little unfair to need a scorecard on Stu so soon. We should know by his 8 or 9th yr in that position if he needs to be run outta town.

The clock is ticking Stuart.

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#38 horndog77
August 03 2011, 06:34PM
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I peronally would like to see better goalie drafting. I've been an Oilers fan for a very long time, since when have we had a stud goalie. Granted Bunz and oliver and Devan look alright but do you think they would spend a first on a goalie next year, Oilers seem to trade for older guys.

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#39 a lg dubl dubl
August 03 2011, 06:42PM
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If by chance that ST grows some brass jewels and calls up Nashville to inquire about Weber, I wonder if Gilbert(gotta take some cap hit back),Chorney, & or Omark + next drafts 1st rounder would entice the Preds to say OK.

I might be wrong but as long as Weber's contract isn't more than a 5yr term the Oil should have the cap space to swing a trade like that even with Hall, Eberle and PRV needing to re-sign in 2yrs, this is were shrewd GMing comes in.

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#40 Bucknuck
August 03 2011, 06:54PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

If by chance that ST grows some brass jewels and calls up Nashville to inquire about Weber, I wonder if Gilbert(gotta take some cap hit back),Chorney, & or Omark + next drafts 1st rounder would entice the Preds to say OK.

I might be wrong but as long as Weber's contract isn't more than a 5yr term the Oil should have the cap space to swing a trade like that even with Hall, Eberle and PRV needing to re-sign in 2yrs, this is were shrewd GMing comes in.

Don't get me wrong, I think Weber is a stud, but he's getting paid a poopload more than anyone on the team, except perhaps Ryan Smyth, who will get a decrease next year (if he signs). I wonder where that puts the mindset of the younger players in the room who may or may not consider themselves a bigger star in two years.

Though with Weber on the back end (and maybe a good goalie - HELLO TAMBO!?), this team may win, which creates a home town discount of its own. Sigh.

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#41 DSF
August 03 2011, 07:00PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Well yes and no. The jury's still out on Lander and Hartikainen, but Paajarvi is trending very well. Steve Kelly was a 6th overall pick, he never posted a season in the NHL like the one Paajarvi just ripped off at 19.

Omark was drafted in the KP era.

By almost any measure, Paajarvi had a disappointing season for a 10th overall pick.

His P/60 were well south of the rookie crop of 10/11, his plus/minus was near the bottom of the barrel, his shooting percentage trailed at least one rookie defenseman, his 5v4 P/60 was a little better but hardly in the same area code as the top rookies and he was 399th in the NHL for hits per 60 by a forward.

Comparing him to a complete bust like Steve Kelly might pump his tires somewhat, but why not compare him to top 10 draft choices who actaully 'ripped off a season at 19".

Hold off on the coronation.

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#42 bigrroberto
August 03 2011, 07:01PM
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@DSF

Look who he was playing with for most of the season... I say he did just fine.

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#43 Quicksilver ballet
August 03 2011, 07:07PM
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@a lg dubl dubl

Not so sure if you'd have to check Steves underwear or Katzs underwear for said brass items you speak of. If Daryl gives Steve the green light, then Steve acts on those desires.

LT, do you think the Oilers are in Webers top 6 of places he'd accept employment?

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#44 a lg dubl dubl
August 03 2011, 07:16PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Shrewd GMimng eh?

Aren't we talking about the same guy that was able to somehow screw up a trade when the player said the only place he wanted to go was Edmonton?

I hear ya ST is the most back and forth GM Ive ever seen, one minute he gets guys like Barker,& Belanger(really good signings IMO) the next he screws up gimme trades like Smytty and if the rumors were true Souray for Hartnell(WTF!!?...) Yea things might have been misconstrued via media and such but sometimes ST leaves me wondering WTF MAN!! more often than not.

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#45 a lg dubl dubl
August 03 2011, 07:24PM
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Good point but Icant help but think that Katz is getting tired of being last all the time, sure ST had to blow up the mess that KLowe left behind and start over but to "dither" away at some trades and waiver pick ups over the last 2-3yrs that Tamby has been here that could have helped the team be at the very least competitive. If I was Katz my boiling point would be near the top ready to explode.

EDIT and didnt Katz say when he bought the team the Oilers would be a cap team?

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#46 billylikestodrinksoda
August 03 2011, 07:30PM
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DSF wrote:

By almost any measure, Paajarvi had a disappointing season for a 10th overall pick.

His P/60 were well south of the rookie crop of 10/11, his plus/minus was near the bottom of the barrel, his shooting percentage trailed at least one rookie defenseman, his 5v4 P/60 was a little better but hardly in the same area code as the top rookies and he was 399th in the NHL for hits per 60 by a forward.

Comparing him to a complete bust like Steve Kelly might pump his tires somewhat, but why not compare him to top 10 draft choices who actaully 'ripped off a season at 19".

Hold off on the coronation.

what do you mean by almost any measure? By a statisical analysis of a guy who got 3rd line minutes with minimal powerplay time on a last place team? Not exactly the definition of a good "measure"

00 mikhail yakubov 01 dan blackburn 02 eric nystrom 03 andrei kostitsyn 04 boris valabik 05 luc bourdon 06 michael frolik 07 keaton ellerby 08 cody hodgson 09 the man himself 10 dylan mcIlrath

the tenth overall pick the past 10 years excluding this year. Now, call me crazy but I am gonna throw stats away for a sec and use common sense. Obviously he could blow up and be a bust but looking at that list, there are few people who wouldnt take paajarvi as their first choice in the 10 spot at the moment

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#47 Puritania
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*calls 911, but then hangs up - not knowing where you are*

*dies*

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#49 justDOit
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bigrroberto wrote:

Look who he was playing with for most of the season... I say he did just fine.

I'm with you on that, bigroberto. MPS had to adjust to the small ice, to a new home (and continent), and had to play on one of the worst last-place teams in decades. If you can't see the glint on that un-cut diamond, you might want to adjust your spectacles.

And complaining that he's 399th in the league in hits is hilarious! You were counting on him to be a bruiser, DSF?

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