OUCH! BURRRRNNN!

Lowetide
September 02 2011 05:27PM

Jay Feaster has my childhood haircut and the ability to talk junk. One we knew about, but the other is just pure fun. 

I couldn't make this up if I tried. In an article entitled JAY FEASTER ANSWERS QUESTIONS FROM FANS J-Fea lays down the law on Edmonton Oiler management:

“I’m sorry — Edmonton finished where last year, caller? Want to wager on where we finish relative to Edmonton this year? I’m tired of this question, I’ll tell you very honestly. I’m getting a little sour. How many teams . . . every year, for the last 10 years, five years, eight years, have finished in the bottom five, bottom seven, bottom 10? They’ve had a pick anywhere from No. 1 to No. 10 year after year after year after year, and they still wander in the desert. And they’re no closer to getting out than they were 10 years ago. You know what? I look forward to the Battle of Alberta for the next X number of years. If the idea is, ‘Burn it to the ground,’ then Ken can find another manager to do it.”

 The original article is here.

Wow! I love it! Calling out another organization as Jay Feaster has done here is unusual for any North American sport and extremely rare for the NHL. The best part for Oiler fans?

The response.

Surely the Edmonton Oilers will be quick to address weakness, whether it be in goal, the blueline or elsewhere in an effort to make JayFea eat his words? Right? I mean you've been called out by your provincial rival. Another top 5 pick next summer hardly seems worth it. Let's get to work on that goaltending, shall we? Jay Feaster has provided the inspiration, and my bet is that the Edmonton Oilers will respond with a lot of perspiration.

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#1 @NateInVegas
September 02 2011, 05:35PM
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Kipper's game will go down the krapper this year...

Let the Lames organization and fans think what they want.

Calgary's still a contender right?...Riiiight???

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#2 Pucker
September 02 2011, 05:29PM
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Feast. I mean Fist.

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#3 The Goat - Team FIST
September 02 2011, 05:31PM
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Feaster is going to get a FIST in the face !

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#4 The Goat - Team FIST
September 02 2011, 05:38PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Kipper's game will go down the krapper this year...

Let the Lames organization and fans think what they want.

Calgary's still a contender right?...Riiiight???

clearly Feaster has someone constantly pumping his tires

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#5 The Goat - Team FIST
September 02 2011, 05:32PM
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Pucker wrote:

Feast. I mean Fist.

well played Mr. Pucker , well played

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#6 Bucknuck
September 02 2011, 06:19PM
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Oh ho ho ho! Nice one, Feaster. I hope tambellini is knashing his teeth together right about now, and giving the squint eye to the defense and goaltending.

It's time, Tambellini. The rebuild is OVER! You have the foundations, now start putting on the facia for heavens sake!!

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#9 jake
September 02 2011, 06:49PM
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I hope to hell it motivates the players and they go 6-0 or 5-1 vs the Flames (yeah dreaming I know), but if the management changes course based on some bluster down the highway, then, in my mind, that would be one reason they should be replaced.

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#10 DSF
September 02 2011, 07:16PM
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@LT

Lowe, Tambellini and Renney are all masters of talking tough and delivering very little.

It starts with Tambellini going into the season with easily the worst defense in the NHL WITH Whitney.

Never mind that he shouldn't have traded a Norris quality for damaged goods in the first place, but he also hasn't added any pieces that will stop the bleeding when Whitney can't play.

He's counting on Cam Barker to play top 4 minutes when he has repeatedly been scorched playing their pairing minutes. What kind of a hockey mind does that? Sheesh.

I won't belabour the goaltending situation since it has been covered in great depth but counting on Khabibulin and Dubnyk to deliver even NHL average goaltending is ludicrous when you consider the options available for cheap on the free agent market. No GM worth his salt takes those sorts of gambles going into the season.

Khabibulin should have been disposed of by now and he handed the Oilers a prime opportunity to do it by racing through the streets of Phoenix in his Ferrari while being grossly impaired.

So, let's just give him chance #3. Phhhttt.

And, if you can stand back and assess the situation somewhat objectively, Feaster is absolutely right about the Oilers continuing "wandering in the desert".

Kevin Lowe is now entering his 11th season as the head honcho of the Oilers on-ice product and the team has made the playoffs 3 times.

A team that has had the benefit of that many high draft choices should be in much better shape than gunning for another lottery pick and likely to miss the playoffs for another 2 or 3 years.

Sure, the Oilers have some nice prospects but drafting is only about 25 percent of what it takes to build a winner.

Signing a 34 year old Belanger, a couple of goofs to play on the fourth line, paying way too much to pry Barker from the scrap heap and benefitting from Ryan Smyth engineering his own trade hardly indicates that Lowe's successor has a clue about the other 75 percent of rebuilding

I hate the Flames as much as the next guy but has Feaster managed to make his team significantly younger, understands that Kipper needs to play fewer games and is not afraid to make moves to improve his hockey team.

I guess Oiler fans have become addicted to the draft since it's all they have to cling to, but almost any model of building a winner in the cap world purely through the draft is a myth.

Would it surprise you to know that fully half of the Toronto Male Leafs current roster is former first round picks.

How's that working out?

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#11 Shredder
September 02 2011, 10:38PM
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The Flames are in the same position as the Oilers were at the end of 2007-2008...just missed the playoffs 2 years in a row and not able to get the free agents they want. I'm sorry, I've watched the Flames closely, even had season tix when I lived there for a few years (don't worry, I still wore my Oilers jersey), and they are not what they used to be. Half this team is up for UFA in a year, the other half will retire a year after. 0 prospects in the system...ok 1, but he was just drafted and doesn't have the talent to change a franchise. I get where Feaster is coming from, but he's not in a position to be talking crap to anyone. He's been lucky enough not to sustain any serious injuries, but boy oh boy is this team got a while before it's a contender. Good luck making the playoffs Feaster...even if they get lucky and make it they will lose out in 4 straight. I know everyone has been wondering if he's building through FA acquisitions, or if he's going to burn it down...I guess he's not going to burn it down. I can't wait for Hall to embarass this team.

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#12 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 03 2011, 02:34PM
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@DSF

"Problem is, folks tend to pick a stat that helps them make a case and ignore the rest."

Gee, who does that sound like.

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#13 Muji 狗
September 02 2011, 06:30PM
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I'm glad that the Flames are still in denial. That guarantees a few more years of mediocrity before they hit rock bottom. The Oilers were in denial up until recently too. We still suck, but at least we know it.

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#14 @NateInVegas
September 02 2011, 07:38PM
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What type of talent will the Lames have when it comes time to re-sign a 36 year old Iginla?

Calgary was fortunate to lock up their core players after their Cup, but I don't see the Flames being able to attract any UFA's now. (especially after dropping those "retro" jersey's YIKES!)

The Lames have $ 3million in cap space, zero offense, terrible centers, and no prospects worth hyping.

I'd say Edmonton is the destination of choice going forward.

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#15 Saytalk
September 02 2011, 07:54PM
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As much as I hate the Flames, I agree with most of Feaster's comments. The Oilers have been getting worse every year and management is still wandering in the desert. The "rebuild" is a cop out for years of mismanagement in the past and no clear plan for the future. How is this team ever going to patch together a decent defence when the only legitimate top 4 D (Whitney) has health issues?

Is finishing at or near the bottom of the league for 10 years, and becoming the laughing stock of even the most mediocre of franchises like the Flames, really worth the 2-3 year window of contending for the Cup? The fans who say yes to this have no pride in this franchise. (And yes, with the way the cap has been mismanaged, this team will not sustain contention for more than 3 years.)

Will that contending window ever arise given this management's abysmal track record of developing talent? It's like the only way a young player can succeed in this organization is if he's a high first rounder that's already NHL-ready, because no one will develop him further than where he was at 18.

Following the Islanders model of basement dwelling should be considered unacceptable to the fans. It's time for management to be held accountable for this "Oil Change". Fire Lowe. Fire Tambo.

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#16 Ducey
September 02 2011, 07:58PM
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LT, I love you man, but what the hell?

The Oilers should cut short the rebuild (ie trade some prospects for quick fixes) so they can get a leg up in the battle of mediocrity?

The Flames are nowhere close to being a Cup contender. So who cares?

If the Oilers are smart they won't worry about their record. Its more important that HOPE take a step forward, they find out once and for all whether their vets can stay healthy, and they continue the development of players like Lander, Hamilton, Pitlick and Petry on a stacked AHL team.

As for wandering the desert, what the hell have the Flames been doing? Is Lee Stepniak going to lead them to the golden temple? They bring back the same team as they had last year and everything is going to be different?

The only thing that quote tells me is that Mr Feaster is a little defensive on the subject - for good reason.

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#20 Dodd
September 02 2011, 10:22PM
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Ha.

Those are bold and big words from the GM of a team who's season was the same length as ours.

We're SUPPOSED to suck right now.

THE FLAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO make the playoffs RIGHT NOW.

I'll take our position versus theirs any time. Be more professional, Feaster. You've got your own problems.

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#23 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 03 2011, 07:49AM
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DSF wrote:

No straight plus/minus is not my fallback position.

Gilbert played against the toughs and got torched.

Because he played with players equally as mediocre as he is doesn't change his performance.

CorsiRel is one of the silliest stats ever purveyed but it should be noted that the Oiler who had the second best on the team was Jim Vandermeer and he's looking for a job. (Ryan Whitney was 6th among Oiler defenders)

The only thing as silly as CorsiRel is GAON/60

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#25 spOILer
September 03 2011, 09:32AM
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TreenasOil said...

Tambilini knows there is a problem with goaltending. He can move Khabby anytime, with a prospect or pay him to play elesewhere.What he is still trying to do is acquire a goaltender, but the problem is he is not willing to give enough up. Not all the prospects are going to with the Oilers, he has to deal some now to become that playoff team. Either deal a prospect or maybe a vetran who won't be around for the cup runs. Hemsky can turn very Quick-ly into an elite goalie for a long time.

Wanye, what the hell? Why has this woman's avatar not been uploaded yet? Could you put down your Photoshop Tools and Nation Radio file compression run for two friggin minutes and do something useful for a change?

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#26 Archaeologuy
September 03 2011, 10:05AM
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@Ned Braden

Take a look at her post here. Incredibly broad, filled with unsubstantiated statements that fail to hold up against even the most common of senses, and just enough wordplay to hint that she knows more than she's willing to say.

It was an Oiler-centic horoscope, and nothing more.

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#27 Ned Braden
September 03 2011, 10:28AM
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@ Arch, oh trust me I know. That is why I said turn the dial. "She" takes what she hears from Stauffer puts out a bunch of vague BS and then rolls with it. I like to refer to her as Ecklund 2.0

@ Max Powers

David Staples did a little digging on her. Someone traced the picture "she" is using on twitter to Emma Stone a topless model but TreenasOil states she left that industry and is staring a new life as an Oilers insider and nurse.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2011/07/07/treenasoil-the-crack-cocaine-of-hockey-gossip/

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 03 2011, 11:59AM
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DSF wrote:

Really.

So, you're of the belief that a player (especially a defenseman) shouldn't be assessed by how many goals are scored against his team when he's on the ice but judging his performance by how many shots are attempted while he's on the ice and then comparing that to his team mates on the worst team is hockey is valid?

Alrighty then. Carry on.

Any stat that shows Sean O'donnell as superior defensivly to Chris Pronger or Brian Campbell superior defensivly to Seabrook/Kieth clearly has some holes.

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#29 RexLibris
September 03 2011, 01:21PM
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I get where Feaster is coming from. From what I've gathered in talking to Flames fans and bloggers they are sick to death of hearing from every out-of-town media personality and even some of their own fans about what Edmonton is doing and how Edmonton is going to be so good soon and when is Calgary going to trade Iginla and are they ready for a rebuild yet.

Personally, my hope for Calgary is perpetual mediocrity. No hope, ever. But then I have a visceral dislike for the Flames, Stamps, Roughnecks, Vipers, Hitmen, etc.

As I see it Calgary is in almost exactly the same spot that the Oilers were in a few years back (don't tell them that either, it really ticks them off) and they have been throwing ballast overboard by way of picks and prospects for years just to try and maintain altitude. They have something like 70% of their roster going UFA over the next two years and are set up like Wall Street in the fall of '08. They can see the crash coming, they all know it's there, they just don't want to think about it. We shouldn't be surprised, how many Oiler fans thought Patrick O'Sullivan was going to be a 60pt second-line depth scorer. Our job will be to remind Flames fans in three or four years when they get all excited about a rebuild what it was they said about the strategy of tearing it all down.

I hope that Feaster is around for the rebuild, or retool, or whatever term they want to use to dissociate themselves from us, because with his trading/drafting record they'll be lucky to get a 4th pairing defenseman and a 6th round pick for Iginla with Jay at the helm. Personally, I'd like to see Iginla retire a Flame.

If Oiler fans want to be upset or worried about something worry about the Flames crashing during the draft year of players like Nathan MacKinnon, Sam Reinhart, and Curtis Lazar. Even Feaster couldn't screw up that pick.

When I want to trade barbs with a Flames fan I usually tell them about how the more I hear a Calgarian talk about how world-class their city is the more they sound like someone from Toronto. And now with their roster looking a lot like a Leafs 2nd tier alumni team it makes it all the sweeter.

As for the Gilbert and Khabibulin drama: Gilbert should stay, he's healthy and dependable and the team withouth him right now is worse than with him. Khabibulin isn't going anywhere right now, next summer maybe, at the deadline if we're really lucky and say our prayers every night, but otherwise he'll be here all year, and maybe then some.

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#30 speeds
September 03 2011, 03:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Lots of holes to be sure.

Nearly every stat, with the exception of goals and assists, is like that.

Problem is, folks tend to pick a stat that helps them make a case and ignore the rest.

What stats would you employ to illustrate that Gilbert is a fine defenseman and which would you ignore?

Hard to find a stat that isn't like that, including goals and assists.

Kessel has scored more goals than Datsyuk for three straight years, yet it would be hard to find many people who would have preferred Kessel over that time period.

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#31 justDOit
September 04 2011, 11:05AM
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Feaster is shootin' the p!ss at us? He must still believe that his Cup win was all his doing, even though he largely inherited his championship team.

LT: Maybe you guys could get Feaster on ON to ask him about his strategy of trading premier defenseman for nothing?

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#32 OutDoorRink
September 04 2011, 10:58PM
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Feaster is treading water and trying to make it sound as if he's a dolphin. Atta boy, Flipper!

"I prefer to just miss the playoffs than be a lotto team to be honest ."

Not me, not during a rebuild. Both teams seasons end at the same time, but for the lotto team, Christmas comes early.

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#33 Dog Train
September 02 2011, 05:40PM
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Let's see who's laughing in a few years. The Flames are spinning their wheels whereas we at least have the potential to compete for it all 5-10 years down the road.

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#34 buttermilk buscuits
September 02 2011, 05:45PM
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Yeah Oilers have sucked for five straight seasons..what else is new?

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#35 gravis82
September 02 2011, 05:45PM
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in 2005/2006 Chicago had like 26 wins. They didn't flounder for too long...

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#36 jonny94
September 02 2011, 05:49PM
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I've always believed that if your team isn't making the playoffs they should go for a good draft pick. If you ask me the Flames are exactly where they always deserve to be. Out of the playoff run and short of a good draft pick. Here's to the up and coming Oilers dynasty to shut a few mouths up.

Go Oilers Go.

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#37 magisterrex
September 02 2011, 05:52PM
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Address the goaltending? With whom, exactly? These kinds of posts are probably fun to write, but are a bit nonsensical, IMO. The org is suddenly going to throw Khabby under a bus after they stood by him all last year and this summer? Because Jay Feaster ran his mouth? Really?

No. Nothing happens unless Khabby completely bombs again this year. Until then, the Oilers goaltending is what it is.

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#39 Bob Cob
September 02 2011, 06:00PM
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What does Peter Griffin ,errrrrr, I mean Jay Feaster know about hockey anyway. He inherited the Lightning before they won the cup, and he wants to run the Calgary Flames, an organization that is in the area the Oilers were before they went into a rebuild. This is going to be the year Kipper or Jerome gets traded, and the crying in Calgary will be worse than when Lowe traded Smytty.

All Feaster was doing was pandering to the mindless little drones that call themselves Flames fans.

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#40 magisterrex
September 02 2011, 06:03PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Disagree. Tom Renney has already stated that NK is going to have to arrive at training camp and perform.

Earlier this summer on Team 1260, Coach Renney was asked if Khabibulin can rebound: "He better. No one knows that better than Khabbi does. My exit interview with him was very poignant. He knows what is in front of him and should he not be able to seize that then the dynamic changes and he's well aware of that."

The Oilers aren't going to put this young club out there, watch them work their hearts out and then lose because the goalie can't stop a beachball.

They HAVE to get that straightened out, and that's a fact. Feaster's comments are just a reminder to the Oilers that no one fears them and one of the reasons is loyalty to Khabibulin.

Jay Feaster doesn't respect the Oilers. The Oilers can refute it, shove it down his throat or look awkwardly at the floor.

But they can't ignore it.

No sir.

Oh, come now. Renney also said last year that his goal was making the playoffs. Sometimes the man exaggerates a bit for the benefit of his audience.

Fearless prediction: Khabby will have until the new year to show what's he's got. And if he does well, he won't suffer any consequences for a midseason slump.

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#42 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 02 2011, 06:23PM
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If another teams General Manager can see the Oilers are lost and wandering in the desert, why can't Katz see it as well?

It could be 5-7 yrs before the Oilers can hang a licking on those Phlegms again with any regularity. First Souray, then Lombardi, now Feaster.....any time now please Daryl.

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#43 DonDon
September 02 2011, 06:25PM
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Sorry Lowetide. Tom Renney can postulate all he wants in the preseason, but the power resides in the owner and GM. (By the way, without matching lines, Renney doesn't put the team in a position to win home games.) The GM has stated that Khabby is his MVP. Blind devotion! And what has the GM done to fix the defence? Not much. If the organization really wanted to give a chance for the young talent to win, Khabulin would be in OKC and the club would have picked up a 1 - 2 D instead of a 5 - 6 - 7 D. I don't particularly like the Flames organization, but it is realistic to expect the Flames will rub the Oilers' faces into the ice, again. Sad to say.

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#44 Oilers Coffey
September 02 2011, 06:38PM
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This has been a while coming and I have fully believed in the rebuild thus far, we have a stockpile of great prospects that have so much upside! Great young players now, with some key pieces to get this rebuild out of the foundation. I cant wait for the BOA ! Game 1 last year was magical, Im certain we've not seen the last spanking by Hall, Ebs, MP, LO, now RNH! Bring it on! I hope Feaster can handle eating his words! Oh ... its Feaster were talking about LOL

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#45 madjam
September 02 2011, 06:46PM
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Seems Feaster thinks as long as Edmonton's upper management remains the same that our team will remain buried in the bottom forever . He just might be right ? They have had plenty of time to change our fortunes around already to be honest . Side note - whats Renney's record now as a coach in NHL besides disasterous except for one winning year in N.York ? He issued a challenge to Oilers fans and management - put up or shut up .

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#46 Robin Brownlee
September 02 2011, 06:48PM
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@Lowetide

We both pre-date the thumb-typing generation, but apperently your defintition of being "called out" differs from mine. I don't see any bulletin board material here.

While fans of the respective teams have hair-triggers when it comes to being coaxed into a barrage of predictable "your mommas," I don't see anything here a person who doesn't have to pay to get into the games will pay a lot of attention to.

Feaster doesn't believe teams have to strip things bare, languish at the bottom of the standings for years on end, to build successfully. For every team that has built a contender that way, there are other organizations that have not. We know this to be true.

He's not going to follow that route with his team and he just said so, as he has before. The Oilers can ignore it and my guess is they will.

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#48 wilfred
September 02 2011, 07:32PM
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prediction for next year: oil get ryan murray/(or one of the best d man in the draft) year after: n. mackinnon, or m. domi

The oilers aren't gonna be substantially better next year. I am fine with it honestly. This is a process, and there will be a happy ending to this pain (hopefully). But we will have to sit through it again.

i think thats better than walking out with a half healed foot, where it will inevitably break again. WHO cares what feaster thinks........well obviously a lot of people do.

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#49 Robin Brownlee
September 02 2011, 07:42PM
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@wilfred

You're right. There's probably a whole lot more proven hockey wisdom on a fan website like this than there is in anything an NHL GM like Feaster might have to say.

I think it's best if we keep the vast hockey smarts one can find here to ourselves and ignore Feaster.

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