OUCH! BURRRRNNN!

Lowetide
September 02 2011 05:27PM

Jay Feaster has my childhood haircut and the ability to talk junk. One we knew about, but the other is just pure fun. 

I couldn't make this up if I tried. In an article entitled JAY FEASTER ANSWERS QUESTIONS FROM FANS J-Fea lays down the law on Edmonton Oiler management:

“I’m sorry — Edmonton finished where last year, caller? Want to wager on where we finish relative to Edmonton this year? I’m tired of this question, I’ll tell you very honestly. I’m getting a little sour. How many teams . . . every year, for the last 10 years, five years, eight years, have finished in the bottom five, bottom seven, bottom 10? They’ve had a pick anywhere from No. 1 to No. 10 year after year after year after year, and they still wander in the desert. And they’re no closer to getting out than they were 10 years ago. You know what? I look forward to the Battle of Alberta for the next X number of years. If the idea is, ‘Burn it to the ground,’ then Ken can find another manager to do it.”

 The original article is here.

Wow! I love it! Calling out another organization as Jay Feaster has done here is unusual for any North American sport and extremely rare for the NHL. The best part for Oiler fans?

The response.

Surely the Edmonton Oilers will be quick to address weakness, whether it be in goal, the blueline or elsewhere in an effort to make JayFea eat his words? Right? I mean you've been called out by your provincial rival. Another top 5 pick next summer hardly seems worth it. Let's get to work on that goaltending, shall we? Jay Feaster has provided the inspiration, and my bet is that the Edmonton Oilers will respond with a lot of perspiration.

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#1 Pucker
September 02 2011, 05:29PM
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Feast. I mean Fist.

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#2 The Goat - Team FIST
September 02 2011, 05:31PM
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Feaster is going to get a FIST in the face !

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#3 The Goat - Team FIST
September 02 2011, 05:32PM
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Pucker wrote:

Feast. I mean Fist.

well played Mr. Pucker , well played

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#4 @NateInVegas
September 02 2011, 05:35PM
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Kipper's game will go down the krapper this year...

Let the Lames organization and fans think what they want.

Calgary's still a contender right?...Riiiight???

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#5 The Goat - Team FIST
September 02 2011, 05:38PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Kipper's game will go down the krapper this year...

Let the Lames organization and fans think what they want.

Calgary's still a contender right?...Riiiight???

clearly Feaster has someone constantly pumping his tires

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#6 Dog Train
September 02 2011, 05:40PM
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Let's see who's laughing in a few years. The Flames are spinning their wheels whereas we at least have the potential to compete for it all 5-10 years down the road.

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#7 buttermilk buscuits
September 02 2011, 05:45PM
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Yeah Oilers have sucked for five straight seasons..what else is new?

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#8 gravis82
September 02 2011, 05:45PM
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in 2005/2006 Chicago had like 26 wins. They didn't flounder for too long...

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#9 jonny94
September 02 2011, 05:49PM
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I've always believed that if your team isn't making the playoffs they should go for a good draft pick. If you ask me the Flames are exactly where they always deserve to be. Out of the playoff run and short of a good draft pick. Here's to the up and coming Oilers dynasty to shut a few mouths up.

Go Oilers Go.

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#11 magisterrex
September 02 2011, 05:52PM
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Address the goaltending? With whom, exactly? These kinds of posts are probably fun to write, but are a bit nonsensical, IMO. The org is suddenly going to throw Khabby under a bus after they stood by him all last year and this summer? Because Jay Feaster ran his mouth? Really?

No. Nothing happens unless Khabby completely bombs again this year. Until then, the Oilers goaltending is what it is.

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#13 Bob Cobb
September 02 2011, 06:00PM
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What does Peter Griffin ,errrrrr, I mean Jay Feaster know about hockey anyway. He inherited the Lightning before they won the cup, and he wants to run the Calgary Flames, an organization that is in the area the Oilers were before they went into a rebuild. This is going to be the year Kipper or Jerome gets traded, and the crying in Calgary will be worse than when Lowe traded Smytty.

All Feaster was doing was pandering to the mindless little drones that call themselves Flames fans.

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#14 magisterrex
September 02 2011, 06:03PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Disagree. Tom Renney has already stated that NK is going to have to arrive at training camp and perform.

Earlier this summer on Team 1260, Coach Renney was asked if Khabibulin can rebound: "He better. No one knows that better than Khabbi does. My exit interview with him was very poignant. He knows what is in front of him and should he not be able to seize that then the dynamic changes and he's well aware of that."

The Oilers aren't going to put this young club out there, watch them work their hearts out and then lose because the goalie can't stop a beachball.

They HAVE to get that straightened out, and that's a fact. Feaster's comments are just a reminder to the Oilers that no one fears them and one of the reasons is loyalty to Khabibulin.

Jay Feaster doesn't respect the Oilers. The Oilers can refute it, shove it down his throat or look awkwardly at the floor.

But they can't ignore it.

No sir.

Oh, come now. Renney also said last year that his goal was making the playoffs. Sometimes the man exaggerates a bit for the benefit of his audience.

Fearless prediction: Khabby will have until the new year to show what's he's got. And if he does well, he won't suffer any consequences for a midseason slump.

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#16 Bucknuck
September 02 2011, 06:19PM
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Oh ho ho ho! Nice one, Feaster. I hope tambellini is knashing his teeth together right about now, and giving the squint eye to the defense and goaltending.

It's time, Tambellini. The rebuild is OVER! You have the foundations, now start putting on the facia for heavens sake!!

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#18 Quicksilver ballet
September 02 2011, 06:23PM
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If another teams General Manager can see the Oilers are lost and wandering in the desert, why can't Katz see it as well?

It could be 5-7 yrs before the Oilers can hang a licking on those Phlegms again with any regularity. First Souray, then Lombardi, now Feaster.....any time now please Daryl.

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#19 DonDon
September 02 2011, 06:25PM
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Sorry Lowetide. Tom Renney can postulate all he wants in the preseason, but the power resides in the owner and GM. (By the way, without matching lines, Renney doesn't put the team in a position to win home games.) The GM has stated that Khabby is his MVP. Blind devotion! And what has the GM done to fix the defence? Not much. If the organization really wanted to give a chance for the young talent to win, Khabulin would be in OKC and the club would have picked up a 1 - 2 D instead of a 5 - 6 - 7 D. I don't particularly like the Flames organization, but it is realistic to expect the Flames will rub the Oilers' faces into the ice, again. Sad to say.

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#20 Muji 狗
September 02 2011, 06:30PM
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I'm glad that the Flames are still in denial. That guarantees a few more years of mediocrity before they hit rock bottom. The Oilers were in denial up until recently too. We still suck, but at least we know it.

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#21 Oilers Coffey
September 02 2011, 06:38PM
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This has been a while coming and I have fully believed in the rebuild thus far, we have a stockpile of great prospects that have so much upside! Great young players now, with some key pieces to get this rebuild out of the foundation. I cant wait for the BOA ! Game 1 last year was magical, Im certain we've not seen the last spanking by Hall, Ebs, MP, LO, now RNH! Bring it on! I hope Feaster can handle eating his words! Oh ... its Feaster were talking about LOL

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#22 madjam
September 02 2011, 06:46PM
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Seems Feaster thinks as long as Edmonton's upper management remains the same that our team will remain buried in the bottom forever . He just might be right ? They have had plenty of time to change our fortunes around already to be honest . Side note - whats Renney's record now as a coach in NHL besides disasterous except for one winning year in N.York ? He issued a challenge to Oilers fans and management - put up or shut up .

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#23 Robin Brownlee
September 02 2011, 06:48PM
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@Lowetide

We both pre-date the thumb-typing generation, but apperently your defintition of being "called out" differs from mine. I don't see any bulletin board material here.

While fans of the respective teams have hair-triggers when it comes to being coaxed into a barrage of predictable "your mommas," I don't see anything here a person who doesn't have to pay to get into the games will pay a lot of attention to.

Feaster doesn't believe teams have to strip things bare, languish at the bottom of the standings for years on end, to build successfully. For every team that has built a contender that way, there are other organizations that have not. We know this to be true.

He's not going to follow that route with his team and he just said so, as he has before. The Oilers can ignore it and my guess is they will.

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#24 jake
September 02 2011, 06:49PM
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I hope to hell it motivates the players and they go 6-0 or 5-1 vs the Flames (yeah dreaming I know), but if the management changes course based on some bluster down the highway, then, in my mind, that would be one reason they should be replaced.

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#26 DSF
September 02 2011, 07:16PM
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@LT

Lowe, Tambellini and Renney are all masters of talking tough and delivering very little.

It starts with Tambellini going into the season with easily the worst defense in the NHL WITH Whitney.

Never mind that he shouldn't have traded a Norris quality for damaged goods in the first place, but he also hasn't added any pieces that will stop the bleeding when Whitney can't play.

He's counting on Cam Barker to play top 4 minutes when he has repeatedly been scorched playing their pairing minutes. What kind of a hockey mind does that? Sheesh.

I won't belabour the goaltending situation since it has been covered in great depth but counting on Khabibulin and Dubnyk to deliver even NHL average goaltending is ludicrous when you consider the options available for cheap on the free agent market. No GM worth his salt takes those sorts of gambles going into the season.

Khabibulin should have been disposed of by now and he handed the Oilers a prime opportunity to do it by racing through the streets of Phoenix in his Ferrari while being grossly impaired.

So, let's just give him chance #3. Phhhttt.

And, if you can stand back and assess the situation somewhat objectively, Feaster is absolutely right about the Oilers continuing "wandering in the desert".

Kevin Lowe is now entering his 11th season as the head honcho of the Oilers on-ice product and the team has made the playoffs 3 times.

A team that has had the benefit of that many high draft choices should be in much better shape than gunning for another lottery pick and likely to miss the playoffs for another 2 or 3 years.

Sure, the Oilers have some nice prospects but drafting is only about 25 percent of what it takes to build a winner.

Signing a 34 year old Belanger, a couple of goofs to play on the fourth line, paying way too much to pry Barker from the scrap heap and benefitting from Ryan Smyth engineering his own trade hardly indicates that Lowe's successor has a clue about the other 75 percent of rebuilding

I hate the Flames as much as the next guy but has Feaster managed to make his team significantly younger, understands that Kipper needs to play fewer games and is not afraid to make moves to improve his hockey team.

I guess Oiler fans have become addicted to the draft since it's all they have to cling to, but almost any model of building a winner in the cap world purely through the draft is a myth.

Would it surprise you to know that fully half of the Toronto Male Leafs current roster is former first round picks.

How's that working out?

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#27 wilfred
September 02 2011, 07:32PM
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prediction for next year: oil get ryan murray/(or one of the best d man in the draft) year after: n. mackinnon, or m. domi

The oilers aren't gonna be substantially better next year. I am fine with it honestly. This is a process, and there will be a happy ending to this pain (hopefully). But we will have to sit through it again.

i think thats better than walking out with a half healed foot, where it will inevitably break again. WHO cares what feaster thinks........well obviously a lot of people do.

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#28 @NateInVegas
September 02 2011, 07:38PM
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What type of talent will the Lames have when it comes time to re-sign a 36 year old Iginla?

Calgary was fortunate to lock up their core players after their Cup, but I don't see the Flames being able to attract any UFA's now. (especially after dropping those "retro" jersey's YIKES!)

The Lames have $ 3million in cap space, zero offense, terrible centers, and no prospects worth hyping.

I'd say Edmonton is the destination of choice going forward.

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#29 Robin Brownlee
September 02 2011, 07:42PM
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@wilfred

You're right. There's probably a whole lot more proven hockey wisdom on a fan website like this than there is in anything an NHL GM like Feaster might have to say.

I think it's best if we keep the vast hockey smarts one can find here to ourselves and ignore Feaster.

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#31 Saytalk
September 02 2011, 07:54PM
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As much as I hate the Flames, I agree with most of Feaster's comments. The Oilers have been getting worse every year and management is still wandering in the desert. The "rebuild" is a cop out for years of mismanagement in the past and no clear plan for the future. How is this team ever going to patch together a decent defence when the only legitimate top 4 D (Whitney) has health issues?

Is finishing at or near the bottom of the league for 10 years, and becoming the laughing stock of even the most mediocre of franchises like the Flames, really worth the 2-3 year window of contending for the Cup? The fans who say yes to this have no pride in this franchise. (And yes, with the way the cap has been mismanaged, this team will not sustain contention for more than 3 years.)

Will that contending window ever arise given this management's abysmal track record of developing talent? It's like the only way a young player can succeed in this organization is if he's a high first rounder that's already NHL-ready, because no one will develop him further than where he was at 18.

Following the Islanders model of basement dwelling should be considered unacceptable to the fans. It's time for management to be held accountable for this "Oil Change". Fire Lowe. Fire Tambo.

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#32 Shane near Red Deer
September 02 2011, 07:54PM
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It is getting very late in the summer, and I guess my tolerance for all you armchair GMs out there is running out. How many of you out-spoken smart guys are now, or have ever been a GM in the NHL? let me guess... 0! You sit in your Momma's basement and type into your computers that you got for christmas, and send out your wisdom. Until any of you get a job offer from an NHL team from the bunk you post on here.... SHUT UP! I think the guys who have jobs in the NHL are more qualified than you.

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#33 Ducey
September 02 2011, 07:58PM
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LT, I love you man, but what the hell?

The Oilers should cut short the rebuild (ie trade some prospects for quick fixes) so they can get a leg up in the battle of mediocrity?

The Flames are nowhere close to being a Cup contender. So who cares?

If the Oilers are smart they won't worry about their record. Its more important that HOPE take a step forward, they find out once and for all whether their vets can stay healthy, and they continue the development of players like Lander, Hamilton, Pitlick and Petry on a stacked AHL team.

As for wandering the desert, what the hell have the Flames been doing? Is Lee Stepniak going to lead them to the golden temple? They bring back the same team as they had last year and everything is going to be different?

The only thing that quote tells me is that Mr Feaster is a little defensive on the subject - for good reason.

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#35 Peff
September 02 2011, 08:13PM
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I have a question totally off topic but I was wondering if any of you guys could help ? I don't have (want) cable ... Can you still get NHL center ice online ( as an oiler fan in the east I'm not worried about blackouts ) Go oil Go

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#36 Mark-LW
September 02 2011, 08:18PM
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Shane near Red Deer wrote:

It is getting very late in the summer, and I guess my tolerance for all you armchair GMs out there is running out. How many of you out-spoken smart guys are now, or have ever been a GM in the NHL? let me guess... 0! You sit in your Momma's basement and type into your computers that you got for christmas, and send out your wisdom. Until any of you get a job offer from an NHL team from the bunk you post on here.... SHUT UP! I think the guys who have jobs in the NHL are more qualified than you.

And I suppose being a hockey player qualifies you to run a complex business right? Because that's all Tambellini had for education. Your odds of working your way into a management position with an NHL are much worse if you never played in the NHL. That fact always bothers me, I'm sure there are many many great hockey minds that would do a much better time managing assets, risk assessment, etc.. than many GM's who got a start on the career simply because they were good at hockey.

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#37 Ducey
September 02 2011, 08:25PM
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's time for the Oilers to compete. That means sending out a goalie who can play at NHL average level, and if NK falls behind Dubnyk then he needs to sit or go to the minors no matter what. If you play your best option in goal and the other man beats you, then so be it. Add in things like line matching, which Renney did in NYC but did not in fact do (or at least not well) even in home games this past season.

Ah, okay. Agreed.

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#38 DSF
September 02 2011, 08:44PM
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Lowetide wrote:

DSF: The Belanger signing was outstanding imo, and the Ryan Smyth trade manna from heaven. The defense isn't better via trade, but if Peckham, Petry and a healthy (I know, I know) Whitney are available then you can see good things happening.

It's the goaltending. It just is.

Here's hoping that Jay Feaster's "X" number of years is fewer than 10.

:-)

The Belanger signing and the trade for Smyth would be outstanding if the Oilers were anywhere near a window to win but they're not.

If we can assume a lottery finish this year, a move up to 10th-12th next season and the possibility of a playoff spot in 2013/14 (not an easy task since STL, CLB and CHI have made major improvements this offseason), Belanger will be 37 and Smyth 38.

Those are the kind of signings you make when you're ready to compete for the Cup not when you're in the basement.

As for the defense, none of Gilbert, Smid, Peckham, Petry or Barker would be in any good team's top four so you're left with one wounded Whitney who obviously will not be in game shape come October.

The defensive cluster may or may not arrive in a year or two but Tambellini leaving that mess to chance should be a firing offence.

I hate the Flames with a passion but Feaster actually improved his defense in the offseason AND freed up cap space.

How good would Scot Hannan look on the Oiler blue about now?

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#40 Treenasoil
September 02 2011, 08:59PM
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Didn't Feaster say Edmonton is the last place he would send a player when he was with Tampa? He called Edmonton Siberia.

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#41 YFC Prez
September 02 2011, 09:00PM
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BOA has been lame the past few years. Whatever gets these clubs hating each other again im all for it, even comments from the bosses. Here's hoping Feasters words plus an Eager Hordichuck and A sutton can make Oct 18th the day the rivalry was rekindled.

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#42 The Farmer
September 02 2011, 09:03PM
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I think all of this would be easily solved with a billboard outside Rexall just to let us all know what's going to happen this year, any suggestions EE haaaawwww

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#43 DSF
September 02 2011, 09:33PM
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Lowetide wrote:

DSF: Well we certainly disagree on Gilbert and I think you're selling the D overall a little short. They're not good, but this isn't the 74-75 Washington Capitals.

As for the Belanger and Smyth acquisitions, I think they're excellent moves because it allows (somewhat) the coach to bring along younger players without throwing them into the deep end.

The Oilers badly needed a Belanger, really for years. And Smyth is just a terrific hockey player even now. I can't see a reasonable argument against those two being good for the Oilers.

Good grief LT.

If you need to draw comparisons to the expansion Capitals to pump the tires of the current Oiler defense, we're all in big trouble.

Gilbert was, by far, the worst Oiler D for GAON/60 last season despite having the second best QUAL Team.

He played the toughs but he got punked.

Started in the Ozone 51.4% of the time so no excuse there.

Finished the season at -14.

Keith Ballard was a nightmare on the Canucks blue last season.

Finished +10

I would be curious which players you think will be withdrawn from the deep end with the Belanger and Smyth acquisitions.

I would think it's Horcoff and Gagner....not the kids.

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#45 DSF
September 02 2011, 09:55PM
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No straight plus/minus is not my fallback position.

Gilbert played against the toughs and got torched.

Because he played with players equally as mediocre as he is doesn't change his performance.

CorsiRel is one of the silliest stats ever purveyed but it should be noted that the Oiler who had the second best on the team was Jim Vandermeer and he's looking for a job. (Ryan Whitney was 6th among Oiler defenders)

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#47 russ99
September 02 2011, 10:10PM
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I don't get the whole cut NK movement.

Katz is a businessman, he won't do it. He ate one year of Souray's contract this summer, he's not about to also eat two years of Khabibulin's, especially if he can help the club at the very least as a backup to Dubnyk.

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#49 russ99
September 02 2011, 10:17PM
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@Lowetide

Ugh, not another Gilbert thread...

Corsi is based on both offensive and defensive shots, so any lack of aptitude on the defensive side of the ice would be masked by Gilbert's obvious strengths moving the puck to the offensive side, and the ES shots that would ensue.

Also, Gilbert was 10th in the league (defensemen) last year in even strength giveaways per 60 minutes at 2.76, and 3rd in the league with a total of 66.

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#50 Dodd
September 02 2011, 10:22PM
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Ha.

Those are bold and big words from the GM of a team who's season was the same length as ours.

We're SUPPOSED to suck right now.

THE FLAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO make the playoffs RIGHT NOW.

I'll take our position versus theirs any time. Be more professional, Feaster. You've got your own problems.

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