HOLEY KHABBY!!!

Jason Gregor
September 21 2011 12:57AM

The fans at Rexall might have set a preseason record for the earliest BOOOOOOO of the season, when they voiced their displeasure after Nikolai Khabibulin allowed a 3rd goal only 18:35 into the first period. Khabibulin allowed three goals on seven shots, and while you can't blame him on the first one, we've seen this horror movie before.

He needs to stop the puck.

You could point to a rookie pinch by Martin Marincin that gave the Wild a 2-on-1 that Pierre-Marc Bouchard roofed upstairs for the 3rd goal, but Khabibulin was way too deep in his crease on the shot. There are no excuses for how he played. His only saving grace was that it was a preseason game.

He looked rusty, but unlike previous years I'm not certain he will get the chance to play his way into tip-top shape. Devan Dubnyk is right behind, or right beside, him on the depth chart, and Tom Renney doesn't have the luxury of allowing the Bulin Wall to get his game together brick-by-brick. Khabibulin needs to have his foundation in place during his next two preseason performances or he won't, or shouldn't, be starting on October 9th against the Penguins.

Khabibulin had the worst SV% of any starting goalie last year; an embarrassing .890% to go along with a pathetic 3.40 GAA. His SV% was even worse than Brian Elliott, Dan Ellis and Peter Budaj. Brian freaking Elliott was better than him.

Dubnyk played behind the same porous defense and inexperienced forwards, yet he managed a respectable .916 SV% and 2.71 GAA. Last night junior goalie, Tyler Bunz, relieved Khabibulin halfway through the second frame and stopped the first ten shots he faced. He stopped 10 of 11 and looked much more comfortable than Khabibulin.

You can say it was only a preseason game, but at what point does Renney stop waiting for Khabibulin to find his game. Maybe he can't find it? Maybe he doesn't have it anymore? 

It sounds like Yann Danis and David LeNeveu will split the game on Thursday, so that leaves five more preseason tilts. Will the Oilers give Khabibulin three full starts and Dubnyk two? Dubnyk said he was hoping to start one game this coming weekend and then one next weekend, but if he is playing better maybe he gets the extra start?

I've always said you can't take too much out of the first preseason game, but normally I'm talking about some young rookie who scored two goals and people think he's ready for the Show. In Khabibulin's case, we've all seen two years of sub-par hockey from him, and last night's effort only increased the doubt in the mind of Oiler fans.

I wonder if that same doubt is creeping into the psyche of the coaching staff?

SWEDES SHINE 

While Magnus Paajarvi, Anton Lander and Linus Omark didn't look this good last night, the "Tre Kroner Konnection" had a great first game together. They combined for two goals, three assists, ten shots, three hits, three takeaways and they averaged 19:15 of icetime. They all looked dangerous at different times, and I'm sure Renney would like to give them another chance to play together very soon.

Paajarvi and Lander were clearly the best of the three, and what I liked most about Lander was his post-game reaction. He was legitimately annoyed that they lost. He hates losing and he couldn't hide it. It's nice to see a guy who cares that much. Paajarvi told me that Lander hates losing more than anyone he's ever played with, and that's the exact type of attitude the Oilers need.

I still think Lander will start the season in the AHL, but if he play like this when the opposition ices a veteran team then he might force Renney to make a tough decision.

I also like Antti Tyrvainen's game. He only played 8:54, but I noticed him often. He showed a nice touch on his goal and he isn't afraid to go in the corners. He's another guy who needs to keep getting noticed as the games become more competitive, but so far so good.

I thought Kirill Tulupov played okay, considering his young D partner, Martin Marincin, really struggled early. Tulupov might earn himself a two-way contract in the next few weeks. Marincin is not strong enough to play in the AHL this year. He didn't gain enough strength this off-season, and I won't be surprised if the Oiler elect to have him train in Edmonton rather than back home in the Czech next summer. I don't think he was able to train enough, or get the proper guidance necessary to gain muscle and strength properly.

Sending Marincin back to junior means his contract won't count towards the 50 contract cap, and that could open up a spot for Tulupov.

SASKATOON

The feed for the Oilers/Hawks game kept buffering every three seconds so I wasn't able to watch it, but I got some reports from guys there and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins looked more than comfortable in his first preseason game. He assisted on Ryan Smyth's opening goal, missed an open net and generated quite a few chances. One person within the organization gave him a B+ ranking.

Smyth played like it was 2007 and mixed in a few saucer passes for fun. He told me at the morning skate he hadn't been this excited for a preseason game in a decade, and, despite his age, he wants to show Renney he can still be a go-to guy.

Josh Green potted a pair of goals, and while he's destined to start the season in OKC, more for his leadership than anything, he clearly doesn't want to get sent down without a fight. I'm guessing we see Green re-called as an injury replacement at some point during the season. He could fill a void for five to ten games.

QUICK HITS

  • The Oilers will keep at least 15 D-men until Saturday, unless Renney wants to play a guy in three straight games. Ryan Whitney, Colten Teubert and Andy Sutton are in camp, but none are likely to play until Sunday at the earliest. There will be some cuts tomorrow, because they only have two ice slots scheduled. They won't cram 27 or 28 guys into each session.
     
  • I thought Bunz looked solid once again, and if he goes back to Medicine Hat and doesn't have a slow start I'm certain he'll suit up for Canada at the WJC in Edmonton/Calgary this Christmas.
     
  • Hopefully on Saturday night the Internet feed for the Oilers/Flames game won't be as inconsistent as it was last night. You can watch Thursday's game on TSN and Sunday's game in Calgary on Sportsnet.
     
  • Which players did you like last night? Who didn't you like?  
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#1 David S
September 21 2011, 03:04PM
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Man are all you guys gonna be pissed when Gagner has a 65 point season.

In Montreal.

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#2 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 11:44AM
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I LOVE that in a few short months we went from whining about how thin we are down the middle to now being in a position to trade away the most productive center.

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#3 positivebrontefan
September 21 2011, 03:12PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

yes i could do that but as you can tell by the run on sentence i amw riting here i do not like to use capital letters for they are not my friend. or punctuation in some instances. we all can't be great all things and in my cases many many things. mediocrity is my battlecry.

I tend to use Capitals when typing. Here is why;

You can help your Uncle Jack off a horse, or you could help your uncle jack off a horse...

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#4 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 02:38PM
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@Josh

The only story above is a paraphrasing by Terry. That's not a story. If you're going to say "I have evidence of people saying exactly what I'm arguing" then you have to do better than "It's on the internet somewhere."

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#5 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 02:51PM
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Chris. wrote:

If Gagner's skating is only "average" as a 22 year old player: is it safe to assume this will be an issue moving forward? Every year the league gets faster... Is Gagner gonna have the wheels to play a top six role into his 30's? Why invest so much into a player who is likely to tail off before he's even close to being Horcoff or Belanger's age? Or is it the plan to be a young developing team forever?

A very fair question. However. Even if the Oilers signed him to a 10 year deal tomorrow, he would just be turning 32 when it's all over.

He doesnt have to be here until 40.

I just want someone to actually PROVE to be better before he gets replaced with the same "promise" that Gagner himself was just 4 years ago.

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#6 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 04:21PM
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I think I am partially responsible for this train wreck and I would like to apologize for any injury you have sustained after the excessive facepalming that you are no doubt experiencing.

It was never my intention to feed the Mogwai after midnight, nor to get it wet. Yet, here we stand.

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#7 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 12:32PM
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@mayorpoop

Weber isnt available for Gagner+ unless its Gagner + Eberle and a 1st.

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#8 Ned Braden
September 21 2011, 02:12PM
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I don't get all this trade Gagner talk to make room for guys that have never played a game in the NHL yet.

This is pre-season people, these results/individual stats mean very little. Two years ago Patty O'Sullivan was the next Hockey Jesus at training camp and was going to score 40 goals playing with Comrie. How did that work out?

Yes it appears they have some depth at the forward position but that is a good thing. Sure the team is saying they are pushing for the playoffs this year but looking at the defence and goaltender's I don't think that is going to happen. So why get all crazy and trade a 21 year old centre with 4 years NHL experience for younger guys who have never played an NHL/AHL game for a shot at 8th place?

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#9 Ned Braden
September 21 2011, 03:29PM
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Didn't we go through this already with a #4C that wasn't good enough to cut it as an Oiler, has flourished in that role for another team and as of last season still had not been able to replace him with someone to do the job better?

See Kyle Brodziak

If/when other player's PROVE to be better options than Gagner then move him out. As of now that has not happened.

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#10 Peterborough
September 21 2011, 07:13PM
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Okay on the Gagner issue: If and when he gets pushed out of the top two centre ice possitions we trade him. Untill that happens we keep him.

Anything other than that is pure silliness.

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#11 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 09:11PM
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Oilers Craig wrote:

I think Gagner was over rated in Junior from playing on a great team with great line mates. Maybe we should see what we can get for him... second round pick doesn't look to bad. It would suck though if we shipped him off one year to soon and be blossomed into a decent 2nd line forward. Tambi has some decisions to make and they aren't easy. I can see a stanley cup here in the next 5 years if he gets lucky at whatever decision he decides to make. Hopkins should he go back to junior? Sign Hemsky to an extension? Bury Khabbi in the minors? Send Lander to OKC?

Except he already is a decent 2nd line forward.

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#12 freeze
September 22 2011, 11:26AM
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Via @GenePrincipe "Tom Renney saying he sees nothing but big things to come for Sam Gagner. Even saying his work ethic and talent remind him of Doug Gilmour"

Further: "(Gagner) is too good, too smart to not perform better than he has been." - Coach Renney on number 89, whom he compares to Doug Gilmour

I figured you would all like that quote. :p

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#13 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
September 21 2011, 05:34AM
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Khabby was Khorrid

Tre Kroner line was awesome

D still brutal tho

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#14 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 10:50AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Arch you would have been pleased with Omarks game last night, that line looked very good!

I fear you are correct, but I made the call a long time ago for Omark to be my goat this season. I cant back away now.

Things I like about Omark: He has determination and creativity with the puck like few Oilers have had in recent years

Things I dont like: Scores goals at a pace of 1 every 10 games played. Not enough finish. Very over-hyped for a guy who is unquestionably the 3rd best RW on the team.

If he has a good season it will be hard for me to keep up the ire, but it will be my duty to try.

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#15 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 21 2011, 10:58AM
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At 19 yrs old this Tyler Bunz kid is a rare breed. The kid has the level of comfort in his game not usually seen in kids his age. Always in control and not a wasted movement, he looks like a Carey Price clone to me. His ability to get from side to side in net is already better than Dubnyks i feel.

The Oilers hopefully sign this kid soon. Come this time next year, he has a chnce to bypass Dubnyk,Roy and Denis in goal next fall.

I'll put money on Lander being this first kid to put his stick through that showcase of memories in the Oiler dressing room. That room needs more kids who can't stand losing.

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#16 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 11:32AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

Ha, I think 89 is just fine to send his laundry out. He is still the most productive centre on the team offensively, and RNH isnt guaranteed a spot.

Now look at at Horcoff, Belanger, and Lander. All three are duplicating each other's skills. No one has proven to duplicate what Gagner is capable of doing. But the Oilers have 4 centres to fill out the 2 spots on the bottom 6 in Horc, Belanger, Brule, and Lander. 3 of them are touted as being solid two-way performers, one is a rookie who doesnt have to pass waivers, and one is Brule.

I think we can all assume that organizationally that Brule is on the outs after already being traded. Horcoff is locked down on the Oilers despite his slipping numbers and constant stream of injuries because of his contract, and Belanger JUST signed his deal here. Looking at the centres it MIGHT make sense to move Gagner, but only if you forget that he is the best of the bunch offensively (which last time I checked was part of the job description for top 6 players).

I'd wager that the guys on the outs are Brule, Omark, and probably Gagner. However, based on how much they've invested in Gagner I dont think moving him out is high on their wish list, especially if the return isnt justifiable.

Hemsky's contract situation is also a big wild card in all of this discussion. It could be a roster game-changer if he gets moved.

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#17 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 11:36AM
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@Fuzzy muppet

Omark and Paajarvi have yet to prove that they can produce offense like Gagner can, and Hemsky is a UFA at year's end. If 83 gets moved then its a no brainer for me to push Gagner to the wing, but even if he doesnt I'd rather have Gagner than Omark.

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#18 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 01:11PM
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gord962 wrote:

And 4 years of stagnant production for Gagner tells me he is stuck at sub 50 points.

~Yes, the freak injury that ended Gagner's season had nothing to do with him remaining in the low 40's for points.~

And on a side note, 1 year of a career high 40 points earned JVR a 4+ million dollar multi year contract. So I guess Gagner is grossly underpaid.

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#19 Dan the Man
September 21 2011, 01:11PM
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gord962 wrote:

And 4 years of stagnant production for Gagner tells me he is stuck at sub 50 points.

Because most players peak at 21?

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#20 Brodie
September 21 2011, 01:44PM
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Hope the "clear plastic skirts" the NHL plans to use on the nets this year catch on away from the rink. :)

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#21 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 02:06PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

are you saying production is greater than (of more importance) size and speed?

Yes

It doesn't matter how big and fast you are if you can't create or defend goals.

Ask Chad Kilger.

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#22 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 02:08PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

He's also affordable for a reason, a danger at both ends of the ice... easily seperated from the puck, what's not to love about 89?

I'll take my chances 93 and 57 will be fine in his place, atleast we know they'll improve considerably the next 18 months. Deals like #10 and #20 are just holding up the process here

:atleast we know they'll improve considerably the next 18 months"

And here in lies the whole problem with your thought process.

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#23 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 02:21PM
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@Terry

From Central Scouting: "a good skater, but needs to work on his acceleration and mobility..."

Sounds about right to me. Not slow, but not fast. Some might call it...average.

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#24 Ned Braden
September 21 2011, 02:29PM
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@Josh

If someone comes along and performs better than Gagner during the year I don't have a problem in trading him.

I do have a problem trading him based on the preseason play of a 20 and 18 year old.

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#25 Oscar
September 21 2011, 02:50PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Just an FYI, Lander has 55 points over 4 years in a vastly inferior league.

I'm from Sweden. Scoring is much less in the SEL. Please don't use flawed comparisons. Lander's play over time will do the talking for him. And he won't need 4 years NHL experience to make a statement. He is a winner.

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#26 David S
September 21 2011, 03:07PM
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gord962 wrote:

I agree with your last paragraph. However, we all know that our biggest hole is on defense. We also know that on the open market Gagner has more value than a lot of our other players we have discussed other than guys named Hall, RNH, Hemsky and Eberle. So, if we feel that Gagner is most likely to be surpassed, why wait until that moment when every other team sees his value to our team depreciate? Move Gagner when he has value so we can get some value in return. Wait too long and we will be getting a Cory Cross type in return.

Because everybody knows a bunch of guys posting on a fan website have a pretty solid idea of the high-water mark for a 21 year-old NHL player of Gagner's caliber.

*Pulls shotgun out of cupboard. Loads single shell.*

"This is my shotgun. There are many like it but this one is mine...."

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#27 positivebrontefan
September 21 2011, 03:09PM
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GREMPZ wrote:

GOD BLESS THOSE GIRLS.

I think he already did. Have you seen them?

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#28 freeze
September 21 2011, 03:44PM
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Holy wow, this all seems a little premature and over-the-top.

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#29 David S
September 21 2011, 04:28PM
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Who is this NHL'er called "Lander" everybody is slotting in as an automatic to replace Gagner anyways? I Googled "NHL" and "Lander" and all I come up with is stuff like "prospect" or "rookie" or "entry-level contract".

Could somebody help out and show me where he played in the NHL before Edmonton? From the sounds of things he must have been with some hot team like Boston or Montreal or Washington. Just curious.

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 04:53PM
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gag me wrote:

Hey Ned,

Is it weird that out of the past 4 seasons our best season came with 2 rookie centers?

I don't think I am anywhere near proving your point OBI. You want a player who does NOT know how to play center at ALL as our top line center.

I want horcoff as out top center, and rnh as our number 2. Lander's role is 3rd line center and he plays it perfectly. What is gagner's role? Does he play that role perfectly? Oh wait... He did score 42 points... He was also a team worst -17

What I want is to have at least 6, maybe 9 PROVEN NHL'ers superior to Gagner before he's deemed expendable.

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#31 edmontoncritic - BRoadwAY
September 21 2011, 05:03PM
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Yes Id love to be the 219th comment on this post! Hockeys back "female dogs!"

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#32 Clyde Frog
September 21 2011, 10:08PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Except he already is a decent 2nd line forward.

And a 2nd round pick has a 1 in 100 chance of matching his current production levels...

But man do picks look sexy until you make them...

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#33 TigerUnderGlass
September 22 2011, 11:47AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Sweet sweet redemption.

Though, to acknowledge the anti-gagnites, even Renney wants to see more from Gagner, but he obviously sees the talent.

Please, I bet Renney doesn't even watch the games.

Edit: Sarcasm squigglies removed. I cannot bring myself to use them. If you cannot recognize the sarcasm then you have never read any of my posts.

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#34 David S
September 22 2011, 12:18PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

INFINIBUILD™!

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#35 RexLibris
September 22 2011, 12:39PM
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Come on! Let's get this baby to 300!

Personally I don't understand the Gagner-hate going on.

Is he just destined to be the next Poti, or Brewer, or (insert Oil-fan whipping boy here)?

He was rushed into the league too soon and has had to play on one of the worst teams in the league for the last four years. I am a die-hard (yippee-kay-yay) Oilers fan so it sucks to say that. He was also mismanaged by a group that seemed to think they were somehow getting closer to '05-'06 rather than further away.

The guy is the second-leading point scorer in his draft year and has the second-most games played. He is durable, effective, and young. He's younger than Omark yet people are expecting him to be a top-end centre. As forward positions go, centre is probably the toughest to learn, and to that end what good does it serve the team to trade away a young centre who is consistent and healthy in order to promote another prospect and risk repeating the same mistakes with him? Lander looks good, and I want him on my team. Next year. RNH looks good, and I expect he'll play this year, but I know that if I have to choose between he and Gagner to take a draw against Kesler or Richards I'd pick Gagner (I realize Horcoff and Belanger are the right answers, but you don't always get that matchup).

In the next three years Gagner, Horcoff and Belanger will be moved (No, Horcoff isn't untradeable, if Campbell can be traded to Florida there's a home somewhere for Horcoff). And the replacements for those players will be Lander, Pitlick, and perhaps Martindale. But isn't it better to let those young players learn things at their own pace and give them the space and time to be successful?

Now come on, let's get this thread to 300 and gloat about it to those Canuckleheads.

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#36 TigerUnderGlass
September 22 2011, 12:53PM
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gag me wrote:

I thought Brownlee would have blocked GlassTiger several posts ago. Not only is he the most annoying commentor but he just loves to try to start fights and back up "his opinions" with stats that he loves to make up.

I don't even read you garbage anymore.

thanks GOD you are no where near a hockey role.

Thanks for "your opinion" on who actually played more. Just so you know though... Gagner play with hemmer and penner more than mps and omark.

Who is this guys? Lol

Thanks for "your opinion" on who actually played more. Just so you know though... Gagner play with hemmer and penner more than mps and omark.

False. There are several websites that track this data specifically. Try looking something up for once.

I'm trying to discuss hockey and you write a 10 line comment about why you don't like me and I'm the problem?

You are free to find me annoying all you want, but I'm not sure how I will survive without the personal endorsement of "Gag me" but life will have to go on. However "I don't like you" hardly strengthens your position. Why don't you address the points made instead?

For the record - I'm pretty sure I've been around here a lot longer than you have. People that have been around here equally long know that I like to debate hockey. It's fun for me. They also know that debating hockey shouldn't be taken personally and that I don't mean anything personal - it's just lively sports talk.

If you are going to take a post disagreeing with you so personally that you are going to respond just to tell me you don't like me than maybe you do not have the temperament for a hockey comment board and maybe you are the one who will eventually end up banned.

I've never even been close, but you are treading the line closely with responses like that.

Now if you would like to respond about hockey I'll be glad to oblige and continue the conversation. If not then you may as well stop because this is the only time I will respond to irrelevant spite.

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#37 Yourmomthinksimhot
September 21 2011, 01:15AM
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I like Khabby, he played a HUGE part in helping us watch Hall and Nugent-Hopkins play for the oil over the next twenty years. Paajarvi..... looked.....UNREAL.

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#38 smiliegirl15
September 21 2011, 08:32AM
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Love for Lander!!!

I was at the game last night. Lander worked hard all night. Omark worked pretty hard to get the puck and keep it in the Wild's zone. The three of them were a great line together. I love how after the game Paajarvi said it didn't matter that Lander's english wasn't so good out on the ice because he speaks hockey.

I will have to see RNH and Lander on the same team before I say Lander should stay over RNH, but Lander made a pretty solid case last night.

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#39 Pronger's Wife
September 21 2011, 09:01AM
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I'm really hoping that RNH sticks with the Oil this year and is not sent back to junior. Sure, 95% of 18 year olds will benefit from at least another year in junior, but RNH isn't in that 95% of 18 year old hockey prospects.

He obviously had the pedigree to be the top draft eligible 18 year old in the world, and don't see him benefiting from playing another year against younger, smaller players in junior.

If in the next couple of weeks he clearly looks out of place in the NHL, sure, send him down. But if last night is any indication of his poise and hockey smarts in his first NHL exhibition game, I don't see it as beneficial to send him back down. Special players like him excel when challenged to continually adapt and improve. I don't think his size is going to be an issue either. I might be way off here, but I think time will tell that I'm not.

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#40 Minor Corection
September 21 2011, 09:25AM
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"and I won't be surprised if the Oiler elect to have him train in Edmonton rather than back home in the Czech next summer."

Note that Martin Marincin was born in Slovakia.

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#41 Steve
September 21 2011, 09:59AM
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I don't think you are giving enough credit to Omark on that Swedish line. He was great protecting and controlling the puck in the corners. I am amazed at his ability to constantly come out with the puck against defencemen twice his size.

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#42 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 11:04AM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

I still think he does the Omark thing and gets stuck in the AHL until space is cleared via trade or injury. At this pace he wont stay long in the AHL at all.

My guess is that even though he wont start the season on the big club, he still plays in 40+ games for the Oil.

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#43 Fuzzy muppet
September 21 2011, 11:17AM
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Dman09 wrote:

Ya i disagree, if Gagner doesn't come out flying I think they need to move him to the wing. 50 points a year and almost every year. The guy just shouldn't be at center.

At who's expense? Omark? Hemsky? Eberle? Hall? Smyth? Paarjarvi? He cant play bottom six so...one of gagner/hemsky is long gone before the seasons out

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#44 Clyde Frog
September 21 2011, 11:30AM
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I loved the first couple games, but I think I am going to wait for the actual season before I can support trading proven production for preseason success...

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#45 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 11:45AM
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gord962 wrote:

I would disagree. Both are lacking defensive skills, size, grit and speed, however Omark has better vision and can control the puck on the wall. When's the last time Gagner come out of a scrum with the puck? Just remember that Omark was a rookie last year - let's give him a full season before we give Gagner the benefit of the doubt.

Irrelavant.

All that matters is who can put up enough points to outscore the opposition.

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#46 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 12:32PM
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mayorpoop wrote:

before you yell from the rafters professing your rightness remember this...

in a few short months we obtained the 1st overall pick who is a center.

in a few short months we obtained another center who will win faceoffs.

in a few short months we had, argueably, our best center recover from injuries, hopefully.

in a few short months we also drafted a quality 3rd line center.

in a few short months another center also recovered from injury and has the potential to bounce back from issues we don't know.

we have centers, lots of them. not too many there is a difference. sure gagner had the best point totals at center but not overall.

yeah it is premature to assume greatness out of the others but not outrageous to discuss this option now or later.

also would you take weber for gagner+....remember he is our most productive center.

We added one proven bottom 6 guy (also traded away one) and a bunch of maybes... most of which are a few years away.

I'm not proclaiming I'm right, I'm proclaiming how funny it is about how much has apparantly changed ... when reality is not much has actually changed (yet)

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#47 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 12:57PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

He was the most productive center on a 30th place hockey club. The newbs on this team will push him down the depth chart shortly i'm sure. The Oilers better move him fast, i see Gagner playing fewer than 40 games this season. Maybe it's time Obbie and Archie kept the appointment for that Cerebral cleansing they so desperately need.

And Hall was the most productive LW on a 30th place club.

See how weak your position is?

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#48 Archaeologuy
September 21 2011, 01:01PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

He was the most productive center on a 30th place hockey club. The newbs on this team will push him down the depth chart shortly i'm sure. The Oilers better move him fast, i see Gagner playing fewer than 40 games this season. Maybe it's time Obbie and Archie kept the appointment for that Cerebral cleansing they so desperately need.

What kind of backwards thinking is that? Rebuild by flushing the talented young players BEFORE flushing the aging vets and less talented players?

How is Gagner the first being replaced?

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#49 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 01:19PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

No, not buying it, apples and oranges, there's a big difference between a player going into his 5th season vs 4 entering his second.

Hey, don't buy it if you don't want to. You're trying to pin team peformance on individual players.... that's weak.

Were likely a bottom 5 team this year as well... all of a sudden your golden children have a 30 and a 27 on their resumes as well.

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#50 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 21 2011, 01:20PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Because he's the weakest link?

Only team in the leauge where one of the top scorers is the weakest link.

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