Cracks In The Drafting?

Jonathan Willis
January 14 2012 03:05PM

Stu MacGregor has received near-universal acclaim for his work on behalf of the Oilers at the NHL Draft. MacGregor replaced Kevin Prendergast in time for the 2008 selections, a change as welcome as the switch from Barry Fraser to Prendergast had been way back when Kevin Lowe made it in 2001.

As with Prendergast, MacGregor made good on his first pick at the helm of the Oilers’ amateur scouting department, selecting Jordan Eberle 22nd overall in 2008. For the first time since that pick, I think there are signs that the Oilers may not be significantly better than the average team at the draft table.

Of course, saying “there are signs” is worlds different than saying “fire the scouts!” It’s always difficult to evaluate the work of a scouting group without a) seeing their entire ranking of the draft, rather than the seven guys they usually get to pick and b) years of time to watch the results.

With that in mind, let’s revisit the data we do have: the picks made under MacGregor’s watch.

2008

Selection Where Currently
Jordan Eberle 22 ov./1st Rd. Starring in the NHL, and a key piece for the Oilers
Johan Motin 103 ov./4th Rd. All but finished with the Oilers; left org. for Sweden
Philippe Cornet 133 ov./5th Rd. A longshot having a good AHL season
Teemu Hartikainen 163 ov./6th Rd. Very much a player of interest, nearly NHL-ready
Jordan Bendfeld 193 ov./7th Rd. Out of the organization.

Overall, not a bad group. Eberle’s been stellar, Hartikainen’s playing above his draft number, and Cornet may yet have a career at hockey’s highest level. Of the busts, Motin got into an NHL game thanks to injuries before getting shunted down the depth chart, and Bendfeld was an ECHL enforcer for a while.

2009

Selection Where Currently
Magnus Paajarvi 10 ov./1st Rd. Playing in the NHL, still has lots of time
Anton Lander 40 ov./2nd Rd. Arguably in over his head at the NHL level right now
Troy Hesketh 71 ov./3rd Rd. Bust.
Cameron Abney 82 ov./3rd Rd. ECHL-level enforcer
Kyle Bigos 99 ov./4th Rd. 6'5", 230lbs college defender. Has 66 PIMs, 12 pts in 18 GP.
Toni Rajala 101 ov./4th Rd. Playing in Finland, unlikely to play for Oilers
Olivier Roy 133 ov./5th Rd. 0.915 SV% in the ECHL

Again, it’s not a bad group. Magnus Paajarvi was an eminently justifiable pick – most pre-draft projections had him between 6th – 9th overall and he slid to 10th, and there are plenty of positive signs there. Anton Lander is a guy the organization obviously believes in, while Kyle Bigos is probably the best unknown prospect in the system. Roy is an NHL prospect, while Abney and Rajala aren’t total write-offs at this point.

2010

Selection Where Currently
Taylor Hall 1 ov./1st Rd. Starring in the NHL, arguably most important piece for Oilers
Tyler Pitlick 31 ov./2nd Rd. Four goals in 33 games as AHL rookie.
Martin Marincin 46 ov./2nd Rd. Play has dipped in WHL after phenomenal start to 2010-11
Curtis Hamilton 48 ov./2nd Rd. Three goals in 29 games as AHL rookie.
Ryan Martindale 61 ov./3rd Rd. Five goals in 28 games as ECHL rookie.
Jeremie Blain 91 ov./4th Rd. Near point-per-game guy in QMJHL, injuries a concern.
Tyler Bunz 121 ov./5th Rd. In second of two superb season in the WHL
Brandon Davidson 162 ov./6th Rd. Top defenseman for Regina of WHL.
Drew Czerwonka 166 ov./6th Rd. Improving longshot.
Kristians Pelss 181 ov./7th Rd. Improving longshot.
Kellen Jones 202 ov./7th Rd. 22-year old ECAC forward has 5G/11A in 21GP

This is where things get interesting. One year ago, virtually everybody from this draft class (outside of the bottom three) were tracking very well. The trio of Pitlick, Hamilton and Martindale were all coming off strong seasons in junior. Marincin had cooled as the season carried on but still played quite well, while Blain, Davidson and Bunz were all gaining traction.

A year later, and things have changed a lot. Pitlick and Hamilton have both had uncertain starts to their professional careers; Martindale has been undeniably disappointing. Marincin has failed to live up to the promise of early 2010-11, while Blain hasn’t visibly progressed. Bunz has played very well (and should have been at the World Juniors) while Davidson has improved once again.

It’s way too early to cast final judgment on anyone of the picks made between Pitlick and Davidson. It is not, however, too early to say that the initial optimism based on that group’s combined 2010-11 output was a little too pronounced.

2011

Selection Where Currently
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1 ov./1st Rd. Starring in the NHL, arguably most important piece for Oilers
Oscar Klefbom 19 ov./1st Rd. Very much on track as top prospect
David Musil 31 ov./2nd Rd. Not very far behind Klefbom
Samu Perhonen 62 ov./3rd Rd. Suffering through a tough year in Finland
Travis Ewanyk 74 ov./3rd Rd. Season derailed by injury.
Dillon Simpson 92 ov./4th Rd. Puck-mover in his second college season
Tobias Rieder 114 ov./4th Rd. 22 goals in 33 OHL games, leads Kitchener in scoring.
Martin Gernat 122 ov./5th Rd. Nearly a point-per-game defenseman for the Oil Kings
Frans Tuohimaa 182 ov./7th Rd. Sub-average goalie in Finland's top league.

There are lots of positives here, starting with Nugent-Hopkins’ phenomenal start to his NHL career, and carrying through to promising prospects in Klefbom and Musil. Simpson, Rieder and Gernat are all tracking well. Perhonen and Tuohimaa are long-range prospects, but they’re struggling, while we know that serious injuries at Ewanyk’s age are a major concern in the long-term.

In Conclusion

… there is no conclusion. The most important thing to take away from this is that the book is still very much open on the work of Stu MacGregor and his staff in Edmonton. The Eberle pick was a superb one, and there is a lot to be positive about, but the struggles of the key prospects from 2010 in their first professional season should give us pause, because it’s the first time we’ve seen a really significant reversal for important players that were tracking well.

The good news is that it may be those reversals don’t mean much in the long run. The jump to the AHL can be a tough one – something that Joe Colborne, one of the best prospects around showed.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#1 Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement
January 14 2012, 03:08PM
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we're so getting the FIST pick .... again

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#2 craigero
January 14 2012, 03:16PM
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The Eberly pick was decent but the RNH and Hall picks were definitely not diamonds in the rough. Macgregor is over rated....

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#3 a lg dubl dubl
January 14 2012, 03:20PM
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Great read Mr. Willis, Do you think there's a chance that Bunz or Roy back up Dubnyk if the Oilers let go of Khabby this off season? I know looney tune question but concidering this team is in rebuild mode for the next 2-3 yrs at least, why not toss in the young goalies too right?....right?

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#4 Zoltar
January 14 2012, 03:24PM
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Jordan Eberle mock raft 2008. Hockey news had him at #13. Stu picks him#22. decent pick if not obvious, but not brilliant.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/16676-The-Hockey-News-2008-Mock-Draft.html

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#5 Zoltar
January 14 2012, 03:28PM
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More mock draft 2008

http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com/2011/05/side-by-side-comparison-2008-nhl-draft.html

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You know, Willis, reading your twitter feed, and now this, made me realize how much of a fan you still really are - panicking like the rest of us commoners - only with a privilege of more than just overreacting comments, rather overreacting posts.

We're only 1.5 years into the 2010 draft class development.

Chill out, hommie! :)

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#7 ItsTheBGB
January 14 2012, 03:53PM
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Lowetide's not gonna like this post ;)

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#8 OilFan
January 14 2012, 04:03PM
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Do the Oilers go for the best player or a dman ?

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#9 trent
January 14 2012, 04:08PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

You know, Willis, reading your twitter feed, and now this, made me realize how much of a fan you still really are - panicking like the rest of us commoners - only with a privilege of more than just overreacting comments, rather overreacting posts.

We're only 1.5 years into the 2010 draft class development.

Chill out, hommie! :)

Agreed.

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#10 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 14 2012, 04:12PM
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Looks like Pitlick, Lander and Martindale aren't quite the threats to Gagners job that everyone thought they were.

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#11 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 14 2012, 04:14PM
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Dont really have a complaint about mcgregor, but he's most certainly been over rated by the fan base.

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#12 Team Yakupov
January 14 2012, 04:31PM
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I think Prendergast excelled in the 2nd round and again in the late rounds, Stu excels in round 1 and then again in the late rounds.

I would still take Stu over 90% of other teams scouting staffs.

Btw, Scouts arent supposed to have a 100% success rate JW, just so you know.

What's he batting? .500? That's considered excellent.

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#13 sliderule
January 14 2012, 04:44PM
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You have done the first critique of Stu's work.Its about time.We have to realize that he only sees the early picks and has to rely on his scouts.The whl players which he is most familiar with are pretty good.The others?? I think the previous guy tended to pick skilled mostly small players.ie Cogliano and Gagner.He also bombed big time in 2003 ,2004 and 2005 so Stu doesnt have to do much to be better. I first saw Paajarvi at WC and i thought he looked awfully soft.I am pretty sure he will be traded as he is getting softer.Marcinin looked good at wjc and since being traded has been on fire so i have hope for hom. The guy they should get after is Klefbom as he looked as least as good as larsson did last year and Larsson is doing pretty decent with the devils.Get him signed and bring him over he is better than most of the defence we had on the ice last night

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#14 Lowetide
January 14 2012, 05:05PM
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ItsTheBGB wrote:

Lowetide's not gonna like this post ;)

I like it fine, but don't agree. Let's take Marincin as an example. His boxcars were very impressive last season in the first half and then he fell off badly.

A quick glance suggests that his offense has gone away completely this season but that has a lot to do with Brett Connolly making the Lightning.

Here is his even strength offense:

2010-11: 67, 6-18-24 .358 2011-12: 32, 3-9-12 .375

I think we can say with authority that he is unlikely to be a major PP performer as a pro but then again we're looking for a guy with a nice range of skills.

I am far more encouraged by his season and would consider it a major recovery from a lost second half in 10-11.

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#15 TDSM31
January 14 2012, 05:06PM
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craigero wrote:

The Eberly pick was decent but the RNH and Hall picks were definitely not diamonds in the rough. Macgregor is over rated....

Truer words have never been spoken..."MacGregor is over rated..."

With the transparency in the Scouting reports these days, my grandmother could have made the top picks that MacGregor has made the past 4 years. He will deserve praise when some of the 4-7 round picks pan out like they have in Detroit.

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#16 Bucknuck
January 14 2012, 05:13PM
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It's great seeing all the draft selections laid out like that. I never really understood the Hesketh or Abney picks when they happened, so no surprise to me that they were busts. Other than that I don't really see a lot of wasted picks there.

Correct me if I am wrong, but when I was reading the article, I didn't really get the sense that you (JW) believed that Stu is doing a bad job, it's just that he's not doing quite as good a job as it seemed like he was last year. That is because some of the prospects have started trending the wrong way. Is that the right way to interpret your words here?

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#17 Quicksilver ballet
January 14 2012, 05:15PM
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Who wouldn't be intoxicated by the package that is MPS. Till he learns to challange d'men 1 on 1 without being intimidated, he'll never reach those top 6 dreams we all had for him. I'd kinda like to see him play mad, never see him flustered at all.

He needs to start dishing it out rather than being on the receiving end all the time.

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#18 PaperDesigner
January 14 2012, 05:22PM
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How many useful NHL players does Stu MacGregor need out of the 2010 draft, after #1, for the year to be considered a success? I say one or two.

An important thing to remember is that Pitlick and Hamilton were never projected to fill in top three spots in the forward core, like, say, Eberle, Hall, and possibly Paajarvi. They were drafted as potential useful third line players who might have the ability to move into the second line if injuries hit. Pisani and Moreau types. Maybe a Jarret Stoll if we're lucky.

That's the sort of player that has plenty of time to develop into what you hope for them to become. They might not arrive until they are twenty three or twenty four and still go on to have long, successful careers in Oiler silks.

But I will defend Marincin, who I think has not tracked poorly so much... as been in an awful situation most of the year. If you look past the hot start, he's still done well, taking into consideration circumstances. The Prince George Cougars are dead last in the WHL in scoring, to the point that they have roughly half as many goals as do the league leading Edmonton Oil Kings (!). At a glance, the average WHL team has between 140-150 goals at this point, whereas the Cougars have 96. For comparison sake, in the NHL, the league leading team is only about fifty percent more productive than the one trailing--so Marincin has been trying to create offense all year on a team that is not simply bad offensively, but abysmal. I think, just by nature of the position, that if your team is awful offensively, it's much harder to create things as an offensively oriented defenceman, because so much of your offence comes from creating opportunities for your forwards--if they can't score, then you can create a lot of scoring chances in vain. This might explain why the scouting reports, which told us a year ago that Marincin looked like a tired player in the second half, were generally positive about the player, despite being off the pace from a year ago. Also of note--the Prince George Cougars were ranked ninth a year ago in overall scoring--about the same level of offensive competence as Marincin's new team, the Pats, are at now.

It's only been two games, but on his new team, the Regina Pats, who are tied for eighth in league scoring in a twenty two team league (so, a high-average team offensively), has three points.

I see Marincin as a very talented player that may have a longer adjustment period. He might break in at around 23, like Petry or Gilbert, and then steadily gain traction in the league. Long-term prospect, IMO, but an extremely exciting one.

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#19 Jonathan Willis
January 14 2012, 05:31PM
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I'm not sure why this post is being taken as negative toward MacGregor; it's not meant that way.

There have been some definite bumps in the road, and this was an attempt to take a relatively balanced look at how the Oilers drafting had been under MacGregor.

There's lots of story left to be written.

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#20 Raine
January 14 2012, 05:43PM
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Other than the first round picks everyone else is still an open book. Lucky for the Oilers Hartikainen and Lander improved their skating.

Lander slipped to the 2nd round because of poor skating and he's improved upon this ten fold. Most passed on Hartikainen because some scouts said his skating was "lacking" to "atrocious".

Eberle was expected to go right where he did. Even Pierre McGuire was saying Eberle will go to the Oilers during the entire 1st round and had him labeled at 22nd. So if TSN McGuire and most panelist says this than why does Stu Macgregor get so much praise for the Eberle pick?

Paajarvi, Hall, RNH all just fell on their lap imo. Paajarvi has yet to prove much, he plays soft for his size and won't go to the dirty areas. He needs to change that aspect of his game if he ever wants to be effective. Funny thing is Paajarvi has never shown to be a big point getter so not sure why everyone expects him to be.

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#21 Lowetide
January 14 2012, 05:51PM
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Why does MacGregor get so much credit? Because the Oilers spent YEARS not taking the guys available around their pick and going off the board to chase Jesse Niinimaki.

I think the Eberle pick is a selection that the scouting department deserves credit for, even though it looks so obvious today.

On draft day 2008, it was no so obvious.

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#22 Randy
January 14 2012, 05:56PM
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Hockey news had Eberle at #13. Sounds obvious to me at #22

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#23 Raine
January 14 2012, 06:04PM
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@Lowetide

I am assuming McGuire had Eberle to the Oilers because it looked like a typical Oilers pick. Having Cogliano, Gagner and Nilsson (although not a pick, but in the line up) - the Oilers looked like they were going with skill and speed. At the time they figured Cogliano, Gagner and Nilsson were going to be part of the core group. So why go with another small skilled forward? Luckily, Eberle panned out - Nilsson and Cogliano did not.

Much of these draft picks are based on luck if they aren't in the top 10.

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#24 C-Dog
January 14 2012, 06:15PM
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Pitlik, Hamilton, Martindale were ALL junior elegible this year. I don't see low boxcars as a big concern (yet), they are all playing pro a year early technically.

Marincin by reports was a 30 minute a night D-man on a very poor team this year, no wonder the boxcars were down. I bet he is a point-per-game guy in Regina the rest of the year.

I'd like to see the stats (I know they exist) on the odds of 3rd rounders and later that become servicable NHLers (or even impact ones) before eventually making judgement on MBS. I'm with LT in thinking it will be better than average.

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#25 OilLeak
January 14 2012, 06:45PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Looks like Pitlick, Lander and Martindale aren't quite the threats to Gagners job that everyone thought they were.

They never were, none of them put up as many points as Gagner did in Junior, or made the NHL at age 18. Pitlick may have the tools to be a better player, but I'm not to sure he has the toolbox. Lander is a checking forward that should be playing in the AHL right now, and Martindale has some pretty glaring skating issues.

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#26 Jerconjake
January 14 2012, 07:37PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I'm not sure why this post is being taken as negative toward MacGregor; it's not meant that way.

There have been some definite bumps in the road, and this was an attempt to take a relatively balanced look at how the Oilers drafting had been under MacGregor.

There's lots of story left to be written.

Probably just because the title implies that there are cracks in MacGregor's armor, which kind of implies that that's the intent of the article.

Nice piece though, very interesting to see all the selections laid out like this. I'm not sure that Philippe Cornet will ever play in the NHL, but he's a beacon of hope for players like Hamilton and Pitlick.

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#27 Yourmomthinksimhot
January 14 2012, 08:11PM
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I can't understand why Pitlick, Hamilton and Martindale weren't sent back to junior? It's not like they tore up their respective leagues last year.

Just seems like another example of poor asset management by Tambellini. We talk about the Detroit model, even a successful team like Nashville, as examples of how to run franchises. Well those franchises never rush prospects. So what makes us smarter than everybody?

Oh right...... Mr. Dithers....

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#28 VK63
January 14 2012, 08:15PM
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Those euro billboard outfits make me laugh.

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#29 Gazmort
January 14 2012, 08:31PM
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@VK63

I actually think they're kind of cool. Well, minus the adverts on the shorts.

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#30 Azzurriblue
January 14 2012, 08:37PM
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I'm a fan of MBS and think he's done well. Time will tell and coaching will have a lot to do with how the prospects pan out.

Renney not giving MPS an extended opportunity with skilled line mates is destroying MPS' development.

How can u send MPS down to regain his confidence and bring him back up to be paired with line mates that have 2 goals combined? How's that going to help his confidence?

Coach Verbal should not return next season.

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#31 Newj
January 14 2012, 08:49PM
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Gazmort wrote:

I actually think they're kind of cool. Well, minus the adverts on the shorts.

and the helmet, the shoulders, the forearm, the elbows, and so on.

I get a laugh from the Euro ice surfaces too. At the Spengler Cup, "hey ref where's the face-off dot on this freekin rink?"

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#32 Chris.
January 14 2012, 09:40PM
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Prendergast is terrible. How many Golds have the Canadian Jr's won since he became head Scout at Hockey Canada?

Btw... Picking Eberle at 22 is a much greater success than taking Hemsky at 13. Eberle is already a better player than Hemsky IMO... And in EVERYbodies opinion a better player than Hemsky was as a 21 year old.

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#33 Dog Train
January 14 2012, 10:06PM
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Agreed that is is still probably too early to truly evalute MacGregor's work. That said, I still think that a fairly large amount of prospects are tracking well. The big jump is when they start playing pro. This time last season, Teemu was just starting to heat up after a slow start so there is still plenty of time for guys like Hamilton and Pitlick to turn it around.

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#34 Sean
January 14 2012, 10:35PM
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Remember 1995? I was only 2 years old but im sure a lot of you remember that draft.

Just be glad they are actually taking the expected pick and not doing stupid things.

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#35 esa tikkanen
January 14 2012, 11:25PM
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I hope I am proven wrong but right now I would rather have a few players taken after MP than him. Ellis, Kulikov and Rundblad would all fit the Oilers' needs more than MP at this point. I wonder if Nashville, Florida or Phoenix would take MP straight up for any of them?

Probably not, although with Yandle and OEL in Phoenix already maybe they would trade MP for Rundblad??

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#36 Gregor's illegitimate daughter
January 15 2012, 01:10AM
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Great article, JW.

Its nice to see the draft picks displayed like this. Unless one does some serious digging its hard for the average fan to really see the draft pick progression.

I would like to see one of these articles maybe once a year?

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#37 Mike Modano's Dog
January 15 2012, 01:50AM
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Randy wrote:

Hockey news had Eberle at #13. Sounds obvious to me at #22

Not obvious. To you maybe, but not to the rest of us who have followed the Oilers picks for years.

Case(s) in point off the top of my head, (and I don't have the world's best memory either):

Steve Kelly - 1995, as mentioned above by Sean. Was the obvious pick not Shane Doan? He was picked one pick later.

Alexei Mikhnov - 2000. Was the obvious pick not the player who fell into the Oilers lap, but was kindly snapped up the very next pick by the Pittsburg Penguins? Think the Oilers could use Brooks Orpik on their blueline today?

THE 2003 draft. Zach Parise FELL to Oilers at #17. Obvious, easy pick to you, not so to the Oilers, who traded that pick to the Devils to move down and pick up an extra 3rd rounder. Then, instead of picking the higher ranked prospects in Mike Richards or Ryan Keslar, they opt for someone they liked because of his 'never-die-attitude' on a last place team, Marc-Antoine Pouliot. The bonus 3rd round addition for moving down: J.F. Jacques.

Unless you've been following the draft for a while, especially the Oilers work, never assume anything you believe to be a slam-dunk will take place. The Oilers had been drafting atrociously for 30 years, UNTIL Stu MacGregor took over. I think if the job was that easy it would have been done by the other men on the job before him. Don't forget that we're looking through a crystal ball now. Back when the selection was made we could have been very sorry we passed up on Larsson, etc, etc. Now it is easy to say RNH was the right selection, in hindsight. Stu MacGregor has done awesome, and sometimes just by taking the most obvious player, and letting others take draft risks with all the shiny pennies they see on the way to the draft table.

Let's give him some credit for doing 'the right thing'...not everybody does, or will.

All in all, excellent article, Jonathan! It's cool to get another perspective about his drafting, and look at his prospects and what they have done this year...very interesting! I know it will take years to properly evaluate these draft years, but I still feel that his drafting is ahead of the curve compared to the other teams, even with our mid to late round picks. He is definitely light years ahead of what we have had here since the first glorious draft years set us up for a dynasty to enjoy! :D

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#38 Douche Nietzsche
January 15 2012, 06:39AM
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Chris. wrote:

Prendergast is terrible. How many Golds have the Canadian Jr's won since he became head Scout at Hockey Canada?

Btw... Picking Eberle at 22 is a much greater success than taking Hemsky at 13. Eberle is already a better player than Hemsky IMO... And in EVERYbodies opinion a better player than Hemsky was as a 21 year old.

Don't forget how much better he is than the guy who went 6th overall.;-'just saying

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#39 madjam
January 15 2012, 08:18AM
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MacGregor may not be overrated. It may be the Oilers managerial and coaching is not developing the talent he is assembling for us . I tend to lean toward the latter ! Not like the latter has any stellar record of success to begin with .

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#40 ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10
January 15 2012, 08:20AM
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In other news, Jesse Niinimaki has 104 points in 140 games the past three seasons playing for llves Tampere in the sm-liiga league..he's only 28, he's got speed to burn, get him over here!

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#41 ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10
January 15 2012, 08:27AM
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Nevermind, after checking out the leagues site, I think Tomas Zaborzky deserves a call..

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#42 pelhem grenville
January 15 2012, 08:51AM
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...while i thought that Lander would start the season in OKC as did just about everyone with a voice and a keyboard he hasn't played a minute there ...what really happened there JW? who did he impress so much that he stuck here or was the parade of injuries starting earlier than most thought keep him up here? ...he's skilled but i agree with you in that he's in a bit over his head here and may have benefited from a starting stint in heartland country...

btw...are you going to be posting any of the oliersnation draft standings anytime soon? haven't seen an update this year ...thanks

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#43 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2012, 08:56AM
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OilFan wrote:

Do the Oilers go for the best player or a dman ?

Personally, I think you should always pick the BPA. Needs are a terrible way of picking and have burnt teams before. It is also why I am of the opinion Tambo gets off his lazy A$$ and becomes ultra aggressive so we can pick both BPA and for need this year. I guess it also depends on who the Oilers think is BPA?

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#44 ItsTheBGB
January 15 2012, 09:57AM
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Marincin got traded at the WHL deadline, his game on Friday playing with Regina had him tally a goal and two assists. We'll see if that's things to come because he's on a competent team now.

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#45 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 15 2012, 10:02AM
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Douche Nietzsche wrote:

Don't forget how much better he is than the guy who went 6th overall.;-'just saying

~ why would we care that Eberle is better than Filatov?~

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#46 Clarkenstein
January 15 2012, 10:15AM
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Criticizing Stu is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Nobody criticizes upper management of this dysfunctional organization more than I do, however, before you say Stu is overrated back it up with some facts. Tell me who has done better. Look at the other 29 orgs and rank them. I think that is already done somewhere by another in the long line of rankings for everything. I would give Stu at least a B+ or A- since his arrival which is pretty damn good for the drafting business.

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#47 etownman
January 15 2012, 11:03AM
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Stu has done an excellent job drafting. Hamilton & Pitlick turned 20 yrs old a couple months into their first pro season & the Oilers are bringing them along carefully in the pro ranks. Same can be said for Roy & Abney, yes Abney who is taking on all the big boys (40 to 50 lbs heavier) than his 205 lbs & he's learning his job well.

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#49 dougtheslug
January 15 2012, 12:06PM
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Could someone please explain to me the love affair with Detroits drafting and development system? Sure they got lucky in 1998-1999 with Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but you have to go back to 2004 to see a draft of consequence, Johann Franzen. They have a few late round players who have NHL games (Helm, Abdelkader in 2005) but those are third and fourth liners that every team drafts. Go to Hockeydb and check it out.2006-2008 is a wasteland of guys buried in the ECHL and AHL. 2009-2011 features exactly one guy Thomas Tatar who has 9 games in the NHL. What they have is a core of elite players drafted decades ago (Lidstrom was drafted in 1989, for Pete's sake) that they have managed to keep intact, and as a result attract good free agents to a winning team. If Oilers had been able to keep the team of the 80's together, they probably could have done the same

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#50 pelhem grenville
January 15 2012, 01:38PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

The plan is to update the NN pool tonight - I just didn't have time to do it while covering the WJC's, but we'll move back toward weekly updates.

...great news thankyou JW

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