TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS

Lowetide
January 15 2012 10:31AM

The Edmonton Oilers and Los Angeles Kings have done business a lot over recent history. Will they make another deal at the deadline?

This is Slava Voynov of the Los Angeles Kings. He's a 21-year old puck moving defenseman, undersized and perhaps a bit challenged defensively but certainly a player worthy of an NHL roster spot as the '10s roll out. He's "opposite George" to Colten Teubert, the defensemen Edmonton plucked from LAK last trade deadline. He's just back from injury, played 15.5 minutes last night in CGY and should be in the lineup this evening against the Oilers.

If we're putting together next year's Oilers, Voynov's skills are somewhat similar to Jeff Petry (I would suggest Petry has a wider range of skills) so he might not be an ideal acquisition for the roster. A RH blue of Gilbert, Petry and Teubert might be the better plan for next season but Voynov would certainly be among the 6 best defenseman on the Oilers roster as it sits idling in the driveway this morning.

The price? Likely Ales Hemsky, and even then I'm not certain how much of the future Dean Lombardi plans on sending to Edmonton. Anyway, it's something to watch for tonight.

 

DELIVERANCE

For Oiler fans, addressing the blue isn't going to come via adding draft picks and young, unproven defensemen. However, it'll shore up the "asset bank" when Steve Tambellini goes shopping for a defenseman this summer.

Would Sam Gagner, Jeff Petry and the 2nd overall pick in the 2012 Entry draft get you a good defenseman? I think it would. If the Oilers grab a quality 2-way defender via trade and then sign some Whitney-insurance via free agency then next year's blue looks better:

  • Rake redux-Whitney insurance
  • Smid-Gilbert
  • Whitney-Potter
  • Peckham

That's the kind of  overhaul this blue has needed since 2006 summer. Move back the kids, have Marincin play his entire entry level deal in the AHL--hell Klefbom too if it takes that long--and move back the cluster among defensemen from "fresh off the bus" to "seasoned veteran."

The cost will be heavy. The only thing worse than trading all that offense? Staying the course and hiring recent buyouts and 5th defensemen from other non-playoff teams.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

We all enjoy pretty things. The Oilers defense hasn't been pretty for 6 years now. Get the guy.

 

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#51 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2012, 02:24PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Interesting thought.

You can probably build a pretty good D on a budget. Corvo, Hannan, Colaiaccovo can probably all be had for under $5M combined.

Add Vokoun to the mix and then BAM! Playoffs!

Ya, I might be a little skewed from all our injuries from the past 5 years or whatever it's been, but Im all about having a deep defense with lots of quality guys.

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#52 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
January 15 2012, 03:06PM
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Sometime this coming summer the Oilers should make a deal with the Rangers. Have Sather put Wade Redden on re-entries to help stop the bleeding on the blueline. Oilers get a #2 D'man for 3 mill per and save the Rangers half of the balance of that contract. A minimal investment for a top 2-3 d'man.

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#53 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 15 2012, 03:50PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Sometime this coming summer the Oilers should make a deal with the Rangers. Have Sather put Wade Redden on re-entries to help stop the bleeding on the blueline. Oilers get a #2 D'man for 3 mill per and save the Rangers half of the balance of that contract. A minimal investment for a top 2-3 d'man.

you think the rangers are going to toss roughly 3mil in dead cap space onto their plate for 2012/13 when they already have about 48mil committed?

redden costs the rangers $0 in cap space playing in the AHL. i doubt sather tosses away 3+ mil in cap space through 2013/14 just to help out the oilers....

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#54 a lg dubl dubl
January 15 2012, 04:05PM
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kevin wrote:

i totally hear you but you have to give up something to get something. We need to get bigger in our top six. Its likely we'll end up with another skilled smurf with this years draft pick.Benn is contributing similar points as Ebs but a bigger body.

Id love to have Benn here, he's a Lucic type player this team needs and quick!

I just don't see who the Oilers could give back who isn't 4 14 93 & 89

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#55 Archaeologuy
January 15 2012, 04:19PM
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Sam Gagner, Jeff Petry, and the 2nd overall?!

If that doesnt get you a good defenseman then this world is mad.

That said, a 2nd overall pick is Off Limits. Trading a pick like that is a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

I would lose my marbles if Tambellini traded that pick.

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#56 DrDave
January 15 2012, 04:37PM
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How about this...

Hemsky, Peckham and our 1st to MTL for Subban and the 2nd they got from Cgy in the Cammy deal

This way MTL will have prolly 2 lottery picks to help their imminent rebuild, plus they get rid of a player that the fans have turned on.

Oilers get a potential first pairing d-man and PP QB for years to come.

Thoughts....

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#57 Sliderule
January 15 2012, 04:37PM
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To repeat Archs wisdom a 2nd overall cannot be traded. John chambers idea of signing two of the UFA. Defencemen in the 4 To5 million range should get you a 3 and 4. We would then have defense by commitee much like Canucks.

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#58 Tar
January 15 2012, 04:49PM
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Trade Edm first round pick 2012 for John Carlson

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#59 John Chambers
January 15 2012, 05:08PM
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@DrDave

Terrible deal

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#60 John Chambers
January 15 2012, 05:09PM
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@Tar

Terrible deal

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#61 John Chambers
January 15 2012, 05:14PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Sam Gagner, Jeff Petry, and the 2nd overall?!

If that doesnt get you a good defenseman then this world is mad.

That said, a 2nd overall pick is Off Limits. Trading a pick like that is a one way ticket to the unemployment line.

I would lose my marbles if Tambellini traded that pick.

I'll settle for a 23 year old Lidstrom or Bourque for that package ... Signed to a 15 year contract at under 6 per.

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#62 oilcowboy
January 15 2012, 05:29PM
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I thought I had heard it all with the wild ideas of getting Weber,Suter and I probably missed someone suggesting getting Pronger back. Then the chirping of trading a lottery pick by a team that let all the fans know it was in full rebuild mode. Has anyone worked out what the salary will look like in 2years when Hall,ebs and mags will need new deals. Then they will still be paying Horcoff to play pond hockey.

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#63 Peterborough
January 15 2012, 08:43PM
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Is it just me or would New Jersey not be a team that would have a keen interest in Hemsky?

They have the cap space and he would seem to be an ideal fit on the right side with Sykora and Elias.

John Merrill would be the guy I would want comming back.

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#64 FastOil
January 15 2012, 08:50PM
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You all know that anything outside of a top 5 pick has a low chance of making the NHL, right? First rounders out of the top five are only 20%.

Gagner and Petry have played their cards for us. The stats gurus say that 22 is the magic number - development is done, all that is left is gaining experience. So we have decent second tier players in them, which is fine.

If two good players and a low percentage pick can net you an elite player you have to make that deal. Sign two more good players through free agency, they are there.

Who isn't often there is the elite player. To me, those kind of deals are what separate the teams that stay good from the others. It is one thing to trade away elite players too early, another to miss opportunity holding on to average players too long until everyone knows it and they lose value, and you find you can't win when it counts because you just don't have the horses.

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#65 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2012, 08:57PM
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FastOil wrote:

You all know that anything outside of a top 5 pick has a low chance of making the NHL, right? First rounders out of the top five are only 20%.

Gagner and Petry have played their cards for us. The stats gurus say that 22 is the magic number - development is done, all that is left is gaining experience. So we have decent second tier players in them, which is fine.

If two good players and a low percentage pick can net you an elite player you have to make that deal. Sign two more good players through free agency, they are there.

Who isn't often there is the elite player. To me, those kind of deals are what separate the teams that stay good from the others. It is one thing to trade away elite players too early, another to miss opportunity holding on to average players too long until everyone knows it and they lose value, and you find you can't win when it counts because you just don't have the horses.

I'd love to see where 22 is the "magic number", especially for defensmen.

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#66 FastOil
January 16 2012, 12:13AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'd love to see where 22 is the "magic number", especially for defensmen.

Read it many times on the 'sphere, it's not my number. Gaining experience is a different issue, similar but not the same.

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#67 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
January 16 2012, 06:39AM
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FastOil wrote:

Read it many times on the 'sphere, it's not my number. Gaining experience is a different issue, similar but not the same.

~oh, so a whole bunch of people who probably dont know what they are talking about works as a reference now... perfect~

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#68 Sean
January 16 2012, 07:02AM
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Is that Grace Kelly from Rear Window? :O

Just saw that movie a week ago.

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#69 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 16 2012, 08:19AM
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FastOil wrote:

Read it many times on the 'sphere, it's not my number. Gaining experience is a different issue, similar but not the same.

A quick look accross the league should show you that's balogne.

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#70 Oilcan
January 16 2012, 10:08AM
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@FastOil

Name 5 elite defensman under 22.

And the way Free Agent signings perform in Edmonton your logic is far off, plus good luck signing two good free agents for the same value Gagner and Petry would be signed for.

Same thing for the guy who says trade Eberle for Benn because they put up the same numbers but Benn is bigger, I will take the guy who produces while on the Oilers then the guy who produces but isn't on them yet (See POS, Cole, Lupul)

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#71 Oilcan
January 16 2012, 10:12AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I guess only time will tell.......can't wait to see what we get for this player?

I know that there are a lot of Hemsky lover like you out there, I use to be one, but honestly is it not time to move on?

Hemsky will nebver again be the player that he once was. He is close to being as offensively gifted as Horcoff..........what a joke!

I think Hesmky is still a good player but I am in the trade him opinion. I think he can be swapped for some good pieces and if you get a 1st and possibly 2nd and an NHLer or a prospect then going into the draft there are a lot of options to be had for our soon to be GM to try and swing a deal with or give Stu the bullets and let him fire away.

However if they sign Hemsky to a 4 year deal for 16 mill or so I would be fine with that too.

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#72 FastOil
January 16 2012, 10:56AM
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Read Desjardin or Lowetide.

And it's "baloney" or "balogna".

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