GOOD ARROWS

Lowetide
October 14 2012 09:57AM

The Edmonton Oilers have a lot of prospects either in the system, in junior, college or European leagues. We're early into the regular season in most of these leagues and early returns for the top 20 (and beyond) is very positive.

Top 20 from September is here, updates below.

  1. L Nail Yakupov, Neftekhimik (KHL) 6, 4-2-6 -1. First class start from a young impact player. Shoots a ton, gets into high percentage offensive areas, and he handled the Hockey Canada-IIHF fiasco with aplomb. There are no down arrows for this young player. Massive talent.
  2. D Justin Schultz, OKC (AHL) 2, 1-1-2 E. Has captured the imagination of Oilers Nation with his performances in the first two regular season games. Terrific puck handler, he's involved a lot in plays from the neutral zone into offensive zone. Aggressive player, we don't really know about him defensively (yet) but there's a big brain, some ridiculous puck handling skills and a lot of confidence. I would hope (and pray) the Barons find a LH defender who can play Dallas Smith to Schultz's Bobby Orr.
  3. D Oscar Klefbom, Farjestad (SEL) 11, 0-3-3 +7. A stunning early portion of the season has SEL observers talking in grand terms about his future. Calm feet, good decisions, his poke checks alone are worth the price of admission. I think it is fairly accepted now that Klefbom will be in North America next season--likely in the NHL.
  4. D Martin Marincin, OKC (AHL) 2, 1-0-1 +1. Big defender is finding his way in pro hockey after a solid junior career. I'm not enamored about his being paired with Schultz--both are rookie pro's and Marincin is going to have to be the stay-at-home part of the pairing--that isn't really his game. That quibble aside, from what I've seen of him we should be pleased with Marincin. Although he's made some errors that have led directly to goals and chances, rookie defensemen develop slowly and we should be patient. Overall, good arrows. 
  5. D Martin Gernat, Edmonton (WHL). The first down arrow on the list, and for a couple of reasons. First, a shoulder injury that will apparently have him out for some time (and unlikely to play at par when he returns). Second, there seemed to be some confusion about his injury and where he should have surgery coming from the OK camp; lack of communication is a troubling sign.
  6. L Teemu Hartikainen, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-1-1 E. Fans of the Finn (like myself) are used to slow starts, and his performance in game one of the regular season was distressing. However, Hartikainen played much better in game two and looks to have fit in nicely on the 3line. This is a huge season for Harski.
  7. R Tobias Rieder, Kitchener (OHL). 7,  1-5-6 -1. Last season after 7 games (5-5-10 +6) we were talking about a possible impact player. This season, he's started a little slower but there's no doubt the Oilers have a splendid prospect in Rieder. We've discussed his ability to play in all three disciplines before, and he's doing it again this season. Can't wait to see him in OKC.
  8. G Tyler Bunz, Stockton (ECHL). 2, 1.00 .952 A very impressive start for Bunz, as he follows the career path of Dubnyk and the other Oiler goalies over the last several seasons. He hasn't been busy (20 shots per game average) and that SP will fall down over the season. Still, impressive start.
  9. L Daniil Zharkov, Belleville (OHL). 9, 2-2-4 +1. Like Rieder, young Zharkov's start a year ago (9, 7-4-11 +4) turned a lot of heads. This season, he's off to a slower start but is still getting PP time and should improve his current numbers. Belleville is playing well, but their GF total is subpar despite the wins. They'll need more from Zharkov to contend.
  10. R Tyler Pitlick, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-1-1 +2. Leads the Barons with 8 shots on goal and from the action I've seen this is a player who "gets" his role. Looks better equipped to win battles this season to my eye, he certainly shows determination along the wall. The question is offense, and coach Nelson is giving him a massive opportunity.
  11. G Olivier Roy, OKC (AHL). 2, 2.00 .949. Roy performed well in his one game with OKC, and it is very interesting to see him get in games this early. Coach Nelson talked about playing Roy quite a bit this season and he'll be challenged in front of the current blue. Another great opportunity.
  12. D David Musil, Vancouver (WHL). 9, 2-5-7 E. At this point he's a man among boys and clearly the class of the Vancouver defensive group. The Giants are struggling this season and I wonder if the Oil Kings might come calling at some point. Excited to see Musil join the pro kids on defense.
  13. D Colten Teubert, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-0-0 E. When chaos rules the day--and face it, the OKC Barons have FOUR rookie pro's on the ice right now along the D--a calm presence is a welcome sight. I've been impressed with his physical play and quiet feet. He might be overlooked by the casual fan, but Oilers Nation knows the value of a defenseman who can stand in there and make the right play when things get dicey. At the AHL level, that's Teubert.
  14. L Mitch Moroz, Edmonton (WHL) 9, 0-4-4 +1. Moroz began the season on a skill line but has been moving up and down the lineup. Still, Moroz has been supplying the team with physical play (he had a big fight on Friday night against Calgary) and filling a role. I'd give money to know how the Oilers feel about the way this player is being handled.
  15. D Dillon Simpson, UND (NCAA). Not much to update, the North Dakota Something Something's have only played a couple of exhibition  games. The thing to keep in mind about this player is that he's been taking a regular shift in NCAA hockey at an extremely young age. That will benefit him later on as he grows stronger.
  16. L Jujhar Khaira, Michigan Tech (NCAA) 2, 0-1-1 E. Khaira has 15 pims already, a reflection of a hit from behind in game one. Big winger with toughness and skill, he's a pretty interesting prospect.
  17. L Curtis Hamilton, OKC (AHL). 1, 0-0-0 -1. At the beginning of last season, we talked about him in the same way we discussed Tyler Pitlick. Those days are gone, and Hamilton played only one weekend game in Cleveland. He's a skilled player with two-way ability, but I think the most positive thing we can say is that Hamilton's timeline to the NHL will meander.
  18. D Erik Gustafsson, Djurgaden (Allsvenskan) 9, 1-1-2 +5. A solid start to the season, Gustafsson has been getting some solid reviews over the last few weeks. Oilers may have selected an obscure player based on final draft lists, but appears to be a player.
  19. D Brandon Davidson, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-0-0 E. Young defender doing some good things and struggling at others. Hey, rookie defenseman should be defined by this credo (imo): survival is success. There's miles to go, and I do believe he'd be better served by playing on a team with more experience, but if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
  20. D Taylor Fedun, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-0-0 E. He's looked fine to my eye, I think he'll emerge as more of a top 4 option as the season wears on. Fedun's skill set--two way defender--fits nicely with this group and I think a youngster like Marincin might benefit from playing alongside.

AND.......

I didn't have Ryan Martindale in my top 20 (rightly so) but his impressive early season (2, 0-2-2 +2 and winning a top 6F job) should serve as a reminder about how quickly fortunes can turn. A year ago, we were talking about Phil Cornet and Martindale was ECHL bound, and this season the roles are reversed.

This prospect development thing isn't an exact science, and Martindale's fall reminds us of it.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Since Taylor Hall was drafted, the Oilers top 20 lists have been ridiculous. This continues through today, with Yakupov, Schultz and the rest representing top level potential and a strong tomorrow.

I also wanted to take a moment to mention the 2010 NHL Entry draft for the Oilers. Hall (NHL), Pitlick, Marincin, Hamilton, Martindale, Davidson, Pelss (AHL) and Bunz (ECHL) are all in pro hockey today. Kellen Jones is still in school, Jeremie Blain recently signed an AHL contract and Drew Czerwonka's back with Kootenay as an overager.

Good draft, Stu and the boys. Will it be a great one? That's what is being decided in OKC and Stockton. Good arrows, folks. Good arrows.

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#1 book¡e
October 14 2012, 10:10AM
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The Oilers future looks amazingly bright. As an Oilers fan conditioned for two decades to disappointment, I can only assume that this means that the NHL is going to collapse as a result of this lockout.

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#2 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
October 14 2012, 10:13AM
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For the FIST time in years, it looks like the depth chart is pretty good.

EDIT: Damn, took time to READ the blog before posting :-(

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#4 yawto
October 14 2012, 10:21AM
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Read a great article, probably lost my fist. Oh well.

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#5 TeddyTurnbuckle
October 14 2012, 10:36AM
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I am not sold on Marincin yet. He is still a fire drill in his own end. I watched the game last night and he kept giving the puck away in his own end. I thought his play really dragged down the top line and kept them in their own zone. You are right he shouldn't be paired with Shultz.

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#6 Velo
October 14 2012, 10:45AM
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Could bad contracts derail your utopia? That's what I'm scared of.

Q: based on what you've seen/heard/read, do you really think Yak's start is better than Schultz?

To me, d in the A is pretty tough, his points are there and his coach/teammates are raving. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked about Yak.

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#7 Oilbridge
October 14 2012, 10:54AM
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Watched the second game online yesterday. Schultz has been very impressive. Mad stick skills, there was a play along the boards in the neutral zone by the barons blue, where Schultz transition up by putting the puck thru his legs, just beauty. Love the on PK where he was aggressive and ready to jump up. He's going to be beauty for sure. As for ebs and the nuge, I find that they're both struggling to find their rhythm. I'm sure there is a lot more chaos playing down in the AHL for high skilled players like ebs and rnh. There isn't as much flow. Also, not having Hall in the lineup as always made a difference. He's certainty the most dynamic of thr trio and is the straw that stirs the drink. Just wait and see when Hall just playing, there will be more room and energy out on that ice for the barons. Lowtide, what's your thoughts on Hall when he gets down to OKC, do they play him at LW or Centre? And who gets sent down to make room, Hamilton? Would luv to see MPS get more at bats with ebs and Rnh, he's actually the playing the body more this year which is good to see. Would like see him just crash the net with the puck more when he drives the puck wide. Wouldn't mind him taking a couple penalties running the goalie if it means giving him the confidence to do so. Thanks.

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#9 DSF
October 14 2012, 11:08AM
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Lowetide wrote:

lol. I was talking to a buddy the other day about the Oilers and their prospect depth. I asked "is there any way to screw this up?" and we both agreed there is only one (injury).

There's just too much. I'm not saying the Oilers are going to win a Stanley in the next decade--they could--but there's too much talent here to keep them from the playoffs and several deep runs.

Too. much. talent.

Suggesting prospect depth like the Oilers possess is all but a guarantee of "several deep runs" is folly because it ignores the prospect depth of the teams they would have to leap frog to accomplish that.

It also assumes that most every prospect on your list will realize his full potential when we both know that is highly unlikely.

Nonetheless, looking at your list I would draw a line at after #4 as those players above the line all would likely project to be a top 6 forward or top pairing defensemen while those below the line are at best questionable to project that high.

That leaves you with 7 potential bottom 6 forwards and 7 bottom 4 defensemen.

Not only will there be no room at the inn for that group but it is hardly spectacular when compared with the prospect depth of several other organizations.

For every Yakupov there is a Tarasenko (6GP 6G 5A 11P KHL), For every Schultz there is a Gardiner, for every Klefbom there is a Brodin.

Thing is, young teams like STL, Minny and LA also have a foundation of solid veteran players while the Oilers absolutely NEED their prospects to over achieve just to be competitive.

That's hardly a recipe for "several deep runs".

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#10 TeddyTurnbuckle
October 14 2012, 11:11AM
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As far as Ebs and Nuge let's not forget they didn't even get a preseason warm up game. They have played well but maybe a bit guilty of trying to do too much. Nuge has looked good in the face off's and Ebs has pulled out a few beauty moves. Hard to believe they haven't scored with all their chances.

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#12 TeddyTurnbuckle
October 14 2012, 11:15AM
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I was also really impressed with Barrie from the Monsters. He was their best player by far.

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#13 Semenko and Troy
October 14 2012, 11:18AM
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Interesting that on the USCHO list picking the top ten college defenseman in the Nation this year, Joey LaLeggia is #2.

Last year's poll had Justin Schultz ranked #1.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/02/ten-to-watch-picking-college-hockeys-top-defensemen-for-2012-13/

The Nuge has an eye for talent.

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#14 book¡e
October 14 2012, 11:30AM
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@DSF

DSF - Oilers suck - Got it - we appreciate you taking time away from muttering to yourself about communists to inform us of that.

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#15 They're $hittie
October 14 2012, 11:45AM
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@DSF

Your right, for every yakupov there is a tarasenko, etc. But how often do they all end up on the same team and have a chance of playing together in their prime.

Also isn't it over at cancuks army that they are writing what if scenarios and claiming the canucks would win the cup if this "said trade or signing" would have happened. How would any canucks fan know what it takes to win a cup.

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#16 Johnny
October 14 2012, 12:01PM
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DSF has a point. Everybody has prospects coming. For instance, I am not sure who had the better game yesterday, but I am leaning towards Barrie over Schultz.

The key for the Oilers is, they now have their forward skill positions filled. This will allow them to be selective and patient with who they chose to fill the rest of the roster spots over the next, hopefully, 15 years. Most teams are already there, so it will take the Oilers, I would say, minimum 5 years before they are one of the better teams in the NHL.

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#17 DSF
October 14 2012, 12:11PM
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Lowetide wrote:

DSF: You're late, I expected you along earlier. :-) We'll see. There's a lot of talent on this roster, and when they're a little older the group that includes Hall, Ebs, Nuge, Yak, Schultz and Klefbom should be able to finish at the good end of the standings.

I know you're hoping Vancouver will contend forever, but at some point Taylor Hall will pass the Sedins as a player.

Just a matter of time. Good thing the Canucks have all those stanleys!

Oh, I have no doubt the Oilers have some nice high end talent at the top of the roster but they are far from the only team in that position.

And, relying on 6 good players to guarantee "several deep runs" is just hilarious.

Look no further than the LA Kings who not only have a ridiculously talented top 6, a defense that includes Doughty and Voynov, a Conn Smyth winner in goal AND still has a prospect pool that, other than Yakupov, is at least the equal of the Oilers.

I know it's hard to believe, but Doughty is only 6 months older than Shultz and Voynov is the same age however both are already impact players in the NHL and are wearing cup rings.

Then you look at the forward prospects the Kings still have in their system:

Bud Holloway - leads the SEL in scoring.

Oscar Moller - 7 points in 8GP SEL

Tyler Toffoli - OHL goal scoring champion with 52G and 100P in 65GP

Linden Vey - 43 points as an AHL rookie

Jordan Weal - 41 goals and 116 points in the WHL last season

Brandon Kozun - 20 goals and 46 points in his rookie AHL season

Now, not all of their prospects are likely to be successful in the NHL (like you're counting on for the Oilers list) and, given LA's already loaded top 6 but if looking for up arrows....there you are.

It would seem LA and (upon closer examination) teams like MInny, who will be adding Granlund, Coyle,Phillips, Zucker, Larsson, Bulmer and Palmieri to their NHL roster as soon as this season might have something to say about those "deep runs".

Hell, STL managed 109 points last season and were the best defensive team in hockey but have Tarasenko, Rattie, Schwartz and Ian Cole ready to join the ranks. How 'bout them arrows?

As for Vancouver, the one huge advantage they have is a smart GM who I'm sure won't sit idly by while Tambellini waits for his prospects to ripen.

And really, falling back on winning cups as a current measure of the quality of an organization, makes you look like a Leafs fan.

The Leafs have 13 cup wins!

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#18 DSF
October 14 2012, 12:12PM
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Johnny wrote:

DSF has a point. Everybody has prospects coming. For instance, I am not sure who had the better game yesterday, but I am leaning towards Barrie over Schultz.

The key for the Oilers is, they now have their forward skill positions filled. This will allow them to be selective and patient with who they chose to fill the rest of the roster spots over the next, hopefully, 15 years. Most teams are already there, so it will take the Oilers, I would say, minimum 5 years before they are one of the better teams in the NHL.

This is exactly the case.

Drafting in the top 10 is the easy part.

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#19 book¡e
October 14 2012, 12:17PM
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@DSF

I fully agree that there are a small number of teams in the NHL with up and coming talent that is similar to the Oilers. As such, I fully agree that the Oilers will be amongst a small group of elite teams in the NHL in a few years time.

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#20 Jonathan Willis
October 14 2012, 12:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Then you look at the forward prospects the Kings still have in their system: Bud Holloway - leads the SEL in scoring. Oscar Moller - 7 points in 8GP SEL Tyler Toffoli - OHL goal scoring champion with 52G and 100P in 65GP Linden Vey - 43 points as an AHL rookie Jordan Weal - 41 goals and 116 points in the WHL last season Brandon Kozun - 20 goals and 46 points in his rookie AHL season Now, not all of their prospects are likely to be successful in the NHL (like you're counting on for the Oilers list) and, given LA's already loaded top 6 but if looking for up arrows....there you are.

Bud Holloway: I've always liked him, but he's 24 years old and he's actually in his second season of Swedish hockey. He actually doesn't seem to expect a job in L.A.; he's like Omark in that he thinks a change of venue is his best chance at an NHL job.

Oscar Moller: I like Moller, too, but he's in a similarp osition. The Kings own his rights but he signed a two-year SEL deal one season ago because he wasn't able to crack the lineup.

Tyler Toffoli: I've long been a fan, though I wonder whether his lack of defensive ability and somewhat questionable skating make the jump to the pro level a tough one. I also find it interesting that he regressed in all statistical categories last season.

Linden Vey: Just like Tobias Rieder except without the defensive game and with worse numbers at the same age.

Jordan Weal: I've long been bullish on Weal but his offensive numbers have been stagnant over three WHL seasons and he's a tiny forward whose ability to transition to the pro game has been (repeatedly) questioned. I like the guy but he's not a blue-chipper.

Brandon Kozun: 5'8" forward who put up 46 points in his *second* AHL season.

I'm actually a little surprised you chose those examples, DSF. The Kings have some decent prospects - Forbort, Muzzin, Pearson, etc. - and instead you highlighted two older prospects so dissatisfied they jumped to Europe and three pint-sized forwards, none of whom look all that much better than Tobias Rieder. Toffoli's probably the team's best prospect and he'd likely slide in just ahead of Marincin if he was an Oilers' prospect.

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#21 DSF
October 14 2012, 12:40PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Your right, for every yakupov there is a tarasenko, etc. But how often do they all end up on the same team and have a chance of playing together in their prime.

Also isn't it over at cancuks army that they are writing what if scenarios and claiming the canucks would win the cup if this "said trade or signing" would have happened. How would any canucks fan know what it takes to win a cup.

Well see, that's the thing.

The Blues already have David Backes (2 time 30+ goal scorer), TJ Oshie (1st round pick), David Perron (1st round pick), Patrick Berglund (1st round pick) to go along with Tarasenko in their top 6.

In their bottom 6, they have Chris Stewart (1st round pick) and Alex Steen (1st round pick).

Then you have Ty Rattie (a 32nd overall pick who put up 57 goals and 121 points with the Portland Winterhawks last season) and Jaden Swartz (1st round pick) both knocking on the door.

(I wonder how the Mitch Moroz draft will look in a couple of years when we recall Rattie was also selected at #32?)

Now, on defense they have Pietrangelo, (1st round pick) and Shattenkirk (1st round pick).

Would anyone want to make a wager than Klefbom and Shultz will be better than those two?

How about if we add Ian Cole (1st round pick) and Jordan Shmaltz (1st round pick) to the Blues prospects parade?

Now how 'bout those arrows?

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#22 BURROWSHASCRABS
October 14 2012, 12:42PM
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@DSF

Yep and the Oilers have 5 Cups and the Canucks have ZERO!!!! And the sisters aren't gettin any younger. And why do you keep bringing the Kings into this? We know they are a solid team but the also went through their share of struggles a few years back. And then it all came together just like it will for all these highly skilled Oil kids.

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#23 Old Soldier
October 14 2012, 12:49PM
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I agree that the Oilers depth across the board has improved dramatically. I would like to see more skill at center in the system, but what was once the Oilers achilles, defence and goaltending looks to becoming a strength in 2 years.

As far as DSF's point, yes there are teams that have a lot of talent in the system, off the top of my head probably 3 or 4 very comparable to the Oilers. Most of us fans realize that there are no guarantees, but having the depth the Oilers have in the system cant help but give them an advantage on those teams who dont.

And example, the Flames, who have one blue chipper in Baerschie, dont have a lot of options. If he washes out, they could literally go an NHL season without scoring a goal. But if one of the blue chippers on the Oilers doesnt pan out, there are alternatives.

I have to ask a direct question. I know its common for even Oiler fans to mock Tambellini, but looking over both his and Gillis drafting, trades, signings and hirings over the last 3 years, how can you say Gillis is any better than Tambellini. I dont see it, I think he really missed the boat at the past trade deadline to put his team over the top. I see a team that constantly has negativity from the locker room (agents) in the press(Kesler/Luongo). I see aging stars and an overpaid defence. And I see very little in the system to solve those problems.

Say what you want about some folks, but I cant see Tambellini doing any worse than Gillis if he had the Vancouver job.

In fact, if Sather, Holmgren, Chiarelli and others had the Canucks lineup last year at the trade deadline, I guarantee there would have been some significant additions to put the team over the top. I think its time to stop putting Gillis on a pedestal....

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#24 DSF
October 14 2012, 12:49PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I actually used those players merely as comparables for "depth".

My point was the Kings don't need them to all turn out to be successful but, if even a couple of them do, the Kings (and other teams will be standing in the way of "long runs" by the Oilers for a very long time.

Holloway and Moller likely won't be returning, the Kings just don't have room for them on the roster.

As for the others, they are certainly in the same range as players like Pitlick, Lander, Rieder and Martidale (although with different skill sets).

The difference here is that the Kings don't need them all to work out to be successful while the Oilers will live or die on their prospect success.

And, as we know, a lot of things can happen on the way to Grandma's house.

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#25 FastOil
October 14 2012, 12:53PM
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When I have to talk to my BC brothers in law about hockey, I have to bite my tongue about their beloved and Cup-less Canucks. So many things not to mention:

Their core is right at the end of their prime.

Their farm system is barren.

Their very good second centre is a complete physical wreck.

Their top 4 defensemen don't actually play as well as Canuck's fans regard them.

If a salary cap remains, they will have to trade some of the Sedins, Kessler, Bieksa and Hamhuis, or Edler to replenish their core, or have to suck for a while to get high enough picks to get back in the hunt.

As their record of failing in the playoffs becomes legend around the league and they are declining as a team, they won't be able to pick and choose amongst free agents anymore, as they line up to be on the Oilers.

A lot of things not to mention. Poor Canucks. I suppose the memory of being a bad team isn't too distant, the fall won't be too high.

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#26 DSF
October 14 2012, 12:55PM
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book¡e wrote:

I fully agree that there are a small number of teams in the NHL with up and coming talent that is similar to the Oilers. As such, I fully agree that the Oilers will be amongst a small group of elite teams in the NHL in a few years time.

Remember when the Thrashers had Kovalchuk, Heatley, Slava Kozlov, Marian Hossa and Kari Lehtonen in their primes?

But they had bumbling management that didn't know how to build a winner?

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#28 Jonathan Willis
October 14 2012, 01:04PM
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@DSF

Okay, well that's more of a fair comparison, then. The depth in the Oilers' prospect system is pretty good in my view - using LT's list, I'm looking at the guys between 4 and 13 - but it doesn't put them well ahead of a number of other organizations.

But then, I don't think all that depth needs to turn out. If the Oilers get four NHL players out of the 4-13 range they'll be doing quite well.

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#29 DSF
October 14 2012, 01:11PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, well that's more of a fair comparison, then. The depth in the Oilers' prospect system is pretty good in my view - using LT's list, I'm looking at the guys between 4 and 13 - but it doesn't put them well ahead of a number of other organizations.

But then, I don't think all that depth needs to turn out. If the Oilers get four NHL players out of the 4-13 range they'll be doing quite well.

Oh, I agree the depth is very good.

My point was that several teams that are already well clear of the Oilers in the standings also have very good depth.

Makes "long runs" pretty difficult to predict.

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#30 DSF
October 14 2012, 01:14PM
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Lowetide wrote:

They didn't have all those players in their primes. Hell, DSF, some of those guys were TRADED for each other! I'm insulted, you're not even trying today.

:-)

Oh goodness, you mean that Heatley got traded for Hossa?

Who knew?????

I guess that completely vindicates their team building prowess.

It's kind of like trading Visnovsky for the ghost of Ryan Whitney.

All is well.

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#31 OILgarchy
October 14 2012, 01:14PM
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Since when is Gillis a "smart" GM? Trades away Hodgeson for a plug, aquires an overrated Boothe on a brutal contract, trades a 2 first rounders for a bottom pairing Dman... I could go on.

Gillis can't even lure highly prized free agents like Schultz who have their prime years ahead of them. Who exactly has Gillis added that made Van a contender? The core was there before he arrived,

I'd say Tambellini has more to do with that Van core being built than Gillis does...

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#32 Hockeyman 99
October 14 2012, 01:20PM
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Get a life DSF Heatly was traded for Hossa.

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#33 Hockeyman 99
October 14 2012, 01:22PM
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Blatant Error and the response. "Duh I knew that" ( trying to sound superior )

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#34 They're $hittie
October 14 2012, 01:23PM
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@DSF

not one of these players with maybe backes as the exception for his all around game is as good as eberle, all other prospects is not any where near the class hall, nuge and yakupov are in. They trump whatever other late round picks like schmultz add to the blues collection. Anyone (except the flames) can make a list of first round picks as they all get one every year.

The oilers actually have on of the teams with the most first round picks in the starting line up

Hemsky, Dubnyk, Whitney, Smid, Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Paajarvi, Nuge, Yakupov, Eager, Smythe

Also, Schultz, Schultz and Petry were all taken in the first half of the second round.

Listing off first round picks does not make a winning team.

Hockeys future has the oilers ranked 4th in organizational future rankings. St. louis is 8th. This list does not include graduated players (Hall, Nuge, Eberle) that would put them at number 1

TSN had ranking for teams based on their players under 25. And Edmonton not St Louis, was first. This is the most accurate measure as it takes in to account all players involved in a teams future.

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#35 Hockeyman 99
October 14 2012, 01:33PM
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If you are going to keep trolling on ON you should try to use REAL facts and numbers to support your bogus arguments. Try not to stretch the truth or massage the numbers into fitting into your opinion. A opinion is doesn't have to be correct but too often you outright molest the truth to support a opinion rather then form a opinion based on fact.

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#37 DSF
October 14 2012, 01:39PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

not one of these players with maybe backes as the exception for his all around game is as good as eberle, all other prospects is not any where near the class hall, nuge and yakupov are in. They trump whatever other late round picks like schmultz add to the blues collection. Anyone (except the flames) can make a list of first round picks as they all get one every year.

The oilers actually have on of the teams with the most first round picks in the starting line up

Hemsky, Dubnyk, Whitney, Smid, Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Paajarvi, Nuge, Yakupov, Eager, Smythe

Also, Schultz, Schultz and Petry were all taken in the first half of the second round.

Listing off first round picks does not make a winning team.

Hockeys future has the oilers ranked 4th in organizational future rankings. St. louis is 8th. This list does not include graduated players (Hall, Nuge, Eberle) that would put them at number 1

TSN had ranking for teams based on their players under 25. And Edmonton not St Louis, was first. This is the most accurate measure as it takes in to account all players involved in a teams future.

Hall, Hopkins and Eberle are no longer prospects as LT's list rightly points out.

You can certainly argue they are better players than the Blues top line and that the Oilers are awash in first round picks.

But then you'll have to explain why the Blues finished with 109 points and the Oilers with 74.

Perhaps it's because they aren't better?

And, you're right, having a ton of high draft choices on your team certainly doesn't guarantee success.

That was my point.

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#38 DSF
October 14 2012, 01:42PM
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Remember that Kovalchuk-Hossa-Heatley line? MAN that line scored a lot of goals when they were on the ice together as linemates in Atlanta.

Together.

MAN, you're really reaching today.

I'm sure we can agree the crack management team of the Atlanta Thrashers had all those assets to play with.

You would think they should have been able to go on some "deep runs".

Wonder what happened?

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#39 They're $hittie
October 14 2012, 01:46PM
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@DSF

If you can comprehend what I wrote I clearly said those players weren't prospects but better than the players on your blues list. I than stated a list of first rounders does not equal a winning team (ie the oilers).

The kids were included in the future equation because they will be a part of it. The prospects list for St. Louis may not be a part of theirs, as will the oilers may not be a part of the oilers future.

That being said, I would take the oilers top 6 over the blues.

The original point was the young players the oilers have are lined up to play together and not one after the other. That is what separates the oilers under 25 from the rest of the league is the amount of Elite talent.

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#40 OILgarchy
October 14 2012, 01:57PM
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DSF wrote:

MAN, you're really reaching today.

I'm sure we can agree the crack management team of the Atlanta Thrashers had all those assets to play with.

You would think they should have been able to go on some "deep runs".

Wonder what happened?

Haha... you accuse LT of reaching? All he did is take your OWN "reach" and throw it back in your face. *slow clap*

If I was a nucks fan I would probably spend every day of my life trolling a rival fan board too, nothing but downhill coming for van. If only they a GM that could acquire elite level talent like the Oil can.

Oh yeah and how did these elite teams like St. Louis, LA, Pits, Wash, Chi all acquire elite talent again? Oh yeah, they were smart enough to get lots of high draft picks. Amazing isn't it? ;)

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#41 David
October 14 2012, 02:39PM
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Firstly, when talking about the oilers future you have to add Hall Nuge and Eberle as well as Petry and Smid to the prospects list. I 100% agree that the oilers will have to find the key depth players but my prediction is that in five years not a single team will be able to boast the same high end talent.

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#42 David
October 14 2012, 02:41PM
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I could be mistaken but I'm fairly certain that Mike Gillis didn't draft any of Vancouver's core and the moves that he has done have been questionable at best.

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#43 David
October 14 2012, 02:46PM
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Personally I don't have Gernat rated in the top fifteen. Moroz maybe not even in the top twenty. The way they talked about him was like they drafted him not on what he had already proven but a few glimmers. All in all though I think the Oilers prospect pool in one of the ost impressive in the league.

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#44 DSF
October 14 2012, 02:47PM
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Haha... you accuse LT of reaching? All he did is take your OWN "reach" and throw it back in your face. *slow clap*

If I was a nucks fan I would probably spend every day of my life trolling a rival fan board too, nothing but downhill coming for van. If only they a GM that could acquire elite level talent like the Oil can.

Oh yeah and how did these elite teams like St. Louis, LA, Pits, Wash, Chi all acquire elite talent again? Oh yeah, they were smart enough to get lots of high draft picks. Amazing isn't it? ;)

If "getting lots of high draft picks" was all there was to it, you would have a point.

But it isn't...and you don't.

How 'bout them Islanders?

No?

How 'bout them Blue Jackets?

No?

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#45 OILgarchy
October 14 2012, 02:59PM
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DSF wrote:

If "getting lots of high draft picks" was all there was to it, you would have a point.

But it isn't...and you don't.

How 'bout them Islanders?

No?

How 'bout them Blue Jackets?

No?

You are right DSF, there is no difference between organizations like NYI, CLB, ATL versus ones like LA, CHI, PIT, WSH.

I mean, they all have very strong ownership groups in great hockey markets and all play to the cap right? I suppose commitment from ownership has nothing to do with building a winner though.

Just ask Bowman. Or Gillis ;)

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#46 book¡e
October 14 2012, 03:00PM
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Get a life DSF Heatly was traded for Hossa.

No No No NO No NO No!! This type of angry response is his favourite kind of food, you fool. He could live weeks under his bridge alone on this. I suppose its good for any goats wanting to cross the river, but it's going to make life hell for us for some time.

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#47 book¡e
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Lowetide wrote:

Remember that Kovalchuk-Hossa-Heatley line? MAN that line scored a lot of goals when they were on the ice together as linemates in Atlanta.

Together.

I remember the night that they played the Oilers and Weight made that awesome pass to Messier who dropped it to Hall who roofed it for his first hat-trick. It's one of my favourite hockey memories. I will never forget it.

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#49 David
October 14 2012, 03:13PM
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book¡e wrote:

I remember the night that they played the Oilers and Weight made that awesome pass to Messier who dropped it to Hall who roofed it for his first hat-trick. It's one of my favourite hockey memories. I will never forget it.

I just died laughing. Well played.

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#50 DSF
October 14 2012, 04:27PM
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OILgarchy wrote:

You are right DSF, there is no difference between organizations like NYI, CLB, ATL versus ones like LA, CHI, PIT, WSH.

I mean, they all have very strong ownership groups in great hockey markets and all play to the cap right? I suppose commitment from ownership has nothing to do with building a winner though.

Just ask Bowman. Or Gillis ;)

Oh, so now the difference is ownership?

Or what market you play in?

Leafs should be perennial cup winners if that's the case.

Maybe something else is going on...like management?

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