YOU TAKE THE VAN, I'LL KEEP THE DOG

Lowetide
October 21 2012 11:36AM

Looking at the current OKC Barons, I'm reminded of a dozen years ago, when the draft and logic told us Michel Riesen would be the AHL player to emerge from the Oiler minor league system as a quality player. Well, draft and logic lost out to a 5th round pick named Jason Chimera. How can we apply those lessons to the current Barons?

Over the last 16 winters, the Oilers have had many draft picks arrive at the pro level (age 20) and fail miserably in their efforts to make it to the NHL. Of those who did make an NHL impact, all of them could be described as "role" players--two-way centers and wingmen, checkers, penalty killers, enforcers, fringe players. Is there any way the numbers can tell us which of the current roster will make it as a regular?

Lets look at the last 15 seasons (forwards) to see if the boxcars indicate something.

POINTS PER GAME AT AGE 20 (AHL) 1997-2012 OILERS FARM TEAMS

  1. Michel Riesen (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs). 73gp, 29-31-60 .822ppg Riesen’s quality AHL season at 20 is somewhat misleading in that it was his second year in the league. He played well no matter the circumstance, so well that his entire line (Swanson-Riesen-Cleary) won jobs in the fall of 2000 on the big club. His 99-00 AHL season and the pre-season in fall 2000 represent the highlight of his NHL career (plus the 12 games he actually got into 00-01).
  2. Steve Kelly (96-97 Hamilton Bulldogs). 48gp, 9-29-38 .792ppg Kelly was a speed demon who the Oilers liked a “hair” more than Shane Doan at the draft in 1995. His pro debut wasn’t Doan-like (Doan had played over 130 NHL games by the spring of 1997) but he held his value better than did Jason Bonsignore and ended up having a better (if hugely disappointing) NHL career. Kelly’s career GP stands at 149, compared to Bonsignore’s 79.
  3. Rob Schremp (06-07 SWB Penguins) 69gp, 17-36-53 .768ppg Schremp had a tough first year pro, getting benched a few times and was a healthy scratch a few times too. His coach did have some nice things to say about him but for this kid it was a combination of skating and play away from the puck. 114 NHL games at this point. 
  4. Magnus Paajarvi (11-12 OKC Barons) 34gp, 7-18-25 .735ppg. Unusual that he's on the list, in that he spent his 19-year old season in the NHL. Still, one of the negatives thrown at MP is his lack of offense and in fact he rates well compared to other 20-year olds who have come through the system over the years.
  5. Jarret Stoll (02-03 Hamilton Bulldogs) 76gp, 21-33-54 .711ppg The two things I remember about Stoll in the AHL are a goal he scored maybe 5 seconds after the faceoff at center-ice and that the “shared” Habs/Oil team that year was a beauty. Stoll played with really good players and had an excellent season, which he has since built upon to become a solid NHL player. Stoll has played 593 NHL games and of course was part of the LAK Stanley this spring.
  6. Marc Pouliot (05-06 Hamilton Bulldogs) 65gp, 15-30-45 .692ppg Pouliot played on a shared team (like Stoll) and put up similar offensive results. Pouliot was a personal favorite of mine, but never found a role he could play. Injuries impacted this player, he did get into 192 NHL games.
  7. Jason Bonsignore (96-97 Hamilton Bulldogs). 78gp, 21-33-54 .692ppg Bonsignore’s career has been well documented and his 20-year old AHL season placed in context (he was the 4th player chosen two years previous and 96-97 was the year Ryan Smyth popped 39 goals in the show) was a pretty good predictor of his future. Six months after the 96-97 season Sather offloaded him (and Steve Kelly) to the Lightning.
  8. Peter Sarno (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs). 67gp 10-36-46 .687ppg Sarno was an interesting prospect who ended up with 7 career NHL games for two different teams (Oilers and Columbus). He gained a solid reputation as a powerplay specialist and got a couple of long looks from the Oilers.
  9. Jean Francois Jacques (05-06 Hamilton Bulldogs) 65gp, 24-20-44 .677ppg Jacques had a helluva pro debut and the Oilers thought they had lightning in a bottle. Crazy Train was fast, physical and scored goals--that's a rare item. Alas, injuries derailed him and a long dry spell in goal scoring at the NHL level placed his career in limbo. Sits at 166 NHL games.
  10. Teemu Hartikainen (10-11 OKC Barons). 66gp, 17-25-42 .636ppg Big Finn had one of the stronger pro debuts in recent Oiler minor league history. Gives his team a combination of size and skill, and the Oilers have him "in the mix" with men like Magnus Paajarvi as future wingers. I think his value is strong enough that if he doesn't win a job another NHL team might find him worth acquiring. Suspect he has at least one more year to prove himself to the organization.
  11. Kyle Brodziak (04-05 Edmonton Roadrunners) 56gp, 6-26-32 .571 Is best known as the guy Lorne Davis argued for at the draft table the season BEFORE the club finally selected him. Brodziak was taken in the depth of the draft but has outperformed the rest of the Oilers picks that season (2003) by a wide margin. 419 NHL games and counting. 
  12. Jani Rita (01-02 Hamilton Bulldgos) 76gp, 25-17-42 .553ppg I thought Jani Rita would make it, swear to God. I remember at WJC goal he scored (it was real, and it was spectacular) and also saw a few AHL games in which he always looked like he was having an impact. He never made it, but that first AHL season would have to rank as one of the best on this list (and I believe Dennis will back me up on that). Rita played 66 NHL games total, but has had some terrific seasons in Finland.
  13. Slava Trukhno (07-08 Springfield Falcons). 64gp, 14-21-35 .547 Young man put up solid junior numbers after being drafted, and showed some offensive flashes in the AHL. However, he went the wrong way as a prospect after his rookie season and didn't make an NHL appearance.
  14. Georges Laraque (96-97 Hamilton Bulldogs). 73gp, 14-20-34 .466ppg Laraque is the only one of the three 20-year old AHL prospects in 96-97 to become an NHL player and contribute to his team’s wins. Laraque’s ppg total in the AHL indicated he was marginal offensively (plus it’s extremely unlikely he saw the PP or many skill linemates) but he was an enforcer of some quality and in that role has had a very good NHL career. Laraque played 695 NHL games, making him a star on this list. We'd do well to remember the player types who emerge from the AHL.
  15. Phil Cornet (10-11 OKC Barons) 60gp, 7-16-23 .383ppg. Cornet didn't get a lot of playing time in year one with OKC, but improved a great deal in 11-12, leading the team in goals. Currently in Stockton and playing well.
  16. Tyler Pitlick (11-12 OKC Barons) 62gp, 7-16-23 .371ppg. Pitlick was 19 for a portion of his rookie season, so one could also run his current season on this list. However, I think the point of the exercise is to show that 20-year old seasons in the AHL don't guarantee or doom a player based on the boxcars. I think the name below is a very good comp for Pitlick.
  17. Jason Chimera (99-00 Hamilton Bulldogs). 78gp, 15-13-28 .359ppg Chimera is best known among Oilers fans as being the guy Kevin Lowe would talk up every summer as being a lock for the roster only to be sent out each fall by Craig MacTavish. To this day he rarely passes on a chance to dig at the Oilers. Chimera was a speed demon with size and an energy player as a rookie pro, and has built on that and has an NHL career. He has played 663 NHL games and counting, and should be considered one of the best players on this list. Notice the AHL point total? The AHL develops more than offense.
  18. Curtis Hamilton (11-12 OKC Barons) 41gp, 5-6-11 .268ppg Injuries impacted Hamilton in year one and I'd argue he wasn't getting a lot of TOI in the games he was in last season. Still, it does give us an indication about the major step between junior and the AHL (Hamilton was an offensive star in the WHL).
  19. Zack Stortini (05-06 Iowa/Milwaukee) 64gp, 2-8-10 .156ppg Big winger played 257 NHL games before Tom Renney pulled the plug due to foot speed. I wouldn't bet against him getting another chance somewhere down the line.
  20. Cameron Abney (11-12 OKC Barons) 14gp, 0-0-0 .000ppg. Enforcer type spent most of his 20-year old season in the ECHL (.172ppg) and if there's one thing this list shows its that counting Abney out is a mistake. The AHL is the place where enforcers develop and prove themselves.

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS

  • Of those players who do stay in the minors, what player type most often succeeds? Enforcers and skill players with an idea about playing the game without the puck. The men who made it--Jason Chimera, Kyle Brodziak, Jarret Stoll--all had some range of skills and worked hard to overcome the things that kept them outside the first round. For Brodziak and Stoll, part of the problem was skating--same issue as Schremp. For Chimera--like Paajarvi--offense wasn't as obvious as it might have been in other prospects.

  • How many of the truly skilled players spend a season or more in the minors, adjust their game enough to survive as a skill player, and then establish themselves as NHL players? Not many. On our list Kelly, Bonsignore, Riesen, Sarno and Schremp all failed. One dimensional offensive players who don't have enough offense to make the NHL right off the bat are probably doomed. Schremp would be a strong example.

WHO WERE THE BEST PLAYERS OVER THE PERIOD?

Jarret Stoll, Jason Chimera, Kyle Brodziak, Georges Laraque. That's my list, your mileage may vary. All of them survived in the NHL for a long period of time (about 2,500 games and counting) and all passed any number of first round picks on their way to success.

WHO WILL EMERGE FROM THE CURRENT GROUP?

(photo of Antti Tyrvaninen and Curtis Hamilton courtesy of Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved)

I'll guess Magnus Paajarvi, Teemu Hartikainen and Tyler Pitlick. However, in doing that I'm picking a first rounder and an early second round selection. I think the lesson here is that the 20 and 21 year olds currently in OKC are all on a level playing field and that consistency of performance matters a lot.

Take Curtis Hamilton as an example. After a frustrating year in OKC, his last two games have shown some progress based on reports from our friend Jonathan Willis (here and here). Or Antti Tyrvainen, who was older when he arrived in the AHL. In the last 15 years or so, Shawn Horcoff might be the best player to graduate from the AHL and he came from US College to the AHL at 22 years old.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Draft number doesn't mean jack squat and if you’re 20, in the AHL and coming off a season that is in any way disappointing you’re probably in trouble. And if you're using boxcars to project future NHLers from the AHL roster, you're pissing in the wind.

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#1 VK63
October 21 2012, 12:12PM
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"I'M LISTENING TO THE F**KING SONG!*

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#3 Lofty
October 21 2012, 01:10PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Ahahaa. The only movie in history that gets BETTER with every viewing.

Step Brothers is up there

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#4 Lexi
October 21 2012, 01:11PM
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Great article LT. I would love to see someone as fair and objective as you do a similar list for each team, just to see their hits and misses.

I see a lot of examples like Boyle, Peverly, Kunitz and Burrows as guys who don't make the NHL until between 23 and 25, who are now top 9 guys on Cup contenders. I really hope the Oilers have improved their developmental planning and communication to let players evolve at the proper pace for their skill set. I see PRV as at worse an effective 3rd liner and PK player, which might be disappointing for a 10th pick, but still really valuable on a team with as much top level talent as this team should have. I really want to stop seeing valuable guys like Chimera, Brodziak and Glencross leave here for very little and thrive.

At the end of the day, my sense is the key is to draft as smartly as possible, have an effective developmental plan, so you increase your odds of having as many legit top 9 Forwards in your org as possible,

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#5 Rama Lama
October 21 2012, 01:28PM
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Great read.......goes to show you can never predict who will or will not make it with any degree of certaintity.

Some players just need a chance.......others need a heart transplant!

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#6 sliderule
October 21 2012, 01:33PM
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One thing you notice with the list is the Oil didnt keep them around long. Chimera and Brodziak got two years and Stoll got four on the big club.The rest a cup of coffee and that was it. It would seem that the bosses were always looking for a new toy rather than the good slightly used ones they already had. I think history is about to repeat itself at least with mps.

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#8 They're $hittie
October 21 2012, 02:00PM
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Shaun van Allen? Dan Currie?

Nice AHL number for those guys.

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#9 Zack
October 21 2012, 02:01PM
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I wouldn't say that draft selection means jack squat but in the point you're trying to get across LT I can see how it can be taken as being less significant.

My guess is that first round selections are given more of a "leash" to succeed by the organization but other than that its up to the player to develop their game.

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#10 atleastwehavethekhl
October 21 2012, 02:30PM
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Curious, LT. This is off topic, of course, but what happened to the Nation Radio shows? I always found they made my Monday mornings much more palatable.

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#11 NewAgeSys
October 21 2012, 02:50PM
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Excellent article,thank you it was a very good read,And illustrates some interesting points surrounding what it takes to make it if you get bogged down for more than a year in the system,the shelf life is so short its amazing,all that work and such a small window of opportunity to work with.

Just a thought here,when I was working on the Rigs , a VERY dangerous job,one with potentially terminal consequences in many situations,I had an interesting way of manning my crews.I focused on a mans ability to process directions above all else,I quickly realised because the stakes were so high that I couldnt give anyone the benefit of the doubt--if you couldnt process my directions consistantly and accurately in the moment and couldnt contribute with honest communication and input when the pressure was off of the moment--I wouldnt keep you.I didnt care if you had ten yrs experience and were better at my job that I was ,if you couldnt communicate you were not working with me or my crew,zero room to wiggle,no debates,no negotiations,no special treatments or technical manipulation of rules or standards,you either were on board or you were gone,talent skill and assets aside.

This means I tell you what to do and you trust me and do it,then after we are done if you feel the need to change anything at all you SPEAK UP FREELY AND TELL ME,and if you are valid we will change things immediatly--if you arent I will fully explain to you why that is,but you will NEVER stop doing something I say and debate in the moment unless it is a direct safety issue which obviously overrides my direction every time and carries no consequence.Over the years I worked with some amazing fellas who could do their jobs in an elite manner given circumstances where they could function as individual entitys to some degree,this was their mojo and it was what made them better then average as individuals,but few stayed on my crews because they are like extra cooks in the kitchen,contributing where and when not needed,not always wrong but just a slow-down due to their strong urge to be mavericks based on past results they gained in other working systems.Overqualified so to speak--always trying to tweak things and experiment-when they were tasked with simply Everyman duties which were actually critical to the overall performance of the crew.And believe me I didnt waste much time debating with these usually above average performers,I just promoted them back to the office so they could go blue-flame somewhere else.They were to valuable to the company to lose but not the right fit for my crew.We see a lot of seemingly odd hockey trades that to me fit this dynamic.

I could take a green hand and in 30 days put him in a position to be a valuable contributing member of my crew.I would not waste 30 mins in discussion with a maverick mindset irregardless of skills or experience,the stakes were to high out there,guys can get hurt and killed at any given time if communication isnt elite.And truth be told,anyone with average physical abilitys can do the job adequately,if your system requires any one man to contibute superman efforts consistantly it is a flawed system,hence the danger of including blue-flamers on your crew,they tend to do to much at the wrong times for the wrong reasons and that undermines the roles the rest of the men are asked to play.

Many of these players seem to actually be in the position many men were in with me after the office sent them out to the jobsite based on their resumes alone without any regard to their individual communication styles abilitys and tendancies,the single most important thing about them to me as the man responsible for producing safe positive results production wise.The question is never "can you do it"it is always "can you do it how I say ,when I say".And this requires mutual trust and committment,a man who has already experienced defined sucess working in a different system than mine will have a more difficult time trusting my methodology than a green hand will,he will have more tangible skills and ability to contribute but much of that advantage is lost in translation if he cannot get on board immediatly and focus his mind and micro-manage himself.

I believe the players who learn to listen the best have the most sucess,talent and skill aside.If I tell you not to drink after work because it affects your performance the next day although you may be legally sober,and you feel that is out of bounds that your off time is your own and I can kiss your arse,then I just promote you away from my crew immediatly.If I am a hockey coach and i say I dont want you in the bars after work because it affects your performance and you dont think thats fair,SAYONARA big fella.I understand your need to be free and will promote you right up the chain and away from me and my crew before your attitude screws up my system.I will not punish you I will promote you far away.

If you stick to this method you will quickly surround yourself with men who are committed to the same system naturally ,who can naturally think alike.Men who understand and are willing to execute this team dynamic.Men who understand that heros are born of mistakes and unbalanced dynamics so we dont need or want heros around us as they are a sign of a flawed system.A sucessful working system requires men who understand that strength comes from communication ,teamwork, and integrity.Not individual performances over and above average.

The problem is that all people in managerial positions do not think this way in fact most dont,so there is a dichotomy present here,but the real proof of methodology is in the pudding----my crews were consistantly put on jobs with the biggest and most important Oil companies contracts we worked with because our production was above average,not tops but above average ,BUT our safety record was WAY ABOVE AVERAGE. You see at the end of the day crews like mine who were the few not the many were actually carrying the most critical contracts to the company itself.Its called being elite and it comes only through above average communiction and committment --it has NOTHING to do with individuals abilitys or skills beyond a consistant team perspective and approach.Elitism is really just being mistake free not overachieving.Elite performance also has nothing to do with the majoritys perspectives,thats why the majority are not performing at an elite level,they just dont get it,and no one could possibly spend the time needed to bring them on board when results are required immediatly.

So in hockey the same principals apply,beyond the head coach and his assistants,very little will matter in terms of crew manpower beyond average physical abilitys and above average communication abiitys.The formula applies everywhere,and remember the real test is in the long run ,who really carries the company???The producers of consistant elite results carry the ball for a sucessful company or a sucessful hockey team.The goal is to use effective communication to produce consistant mistake free results,not inconsistant ocassionally outstanding results that contain mistakes and corrections being made at high speed.

This sounds stupid but I promoted away a really good hand one time and he was very smart and aware,he asked me in camp after work before he was gone to please explain my rationale for promoting him away from the rig we were on,he was well aware it had an important contract and he wanted to be a part of what we were doing,because he was so smart and i was tired and didnt want to debate with him I made him an offer,no kidding,I told him that if he was willing to do something for me off the record i would reconsider my decision,but he had to accept that it would be his results not my decision that either kept him with us or sent him away with a shiny promotion.He agreed.I then bribed two random crew members a second cook and a truck driver from the rec room to help me out.The cook went into the kitchen and made four piles of ingredients for chocolate chip cookies,all identical in every way,then we took the cookbook to the pushes shack and photocopied the recipie.I asked all four people including the blue-flamer to please come into the kitchen,i DID NOT DISCLOSE MY DEAL WITH THE MAN,that would have been classless as he was under pressure.Then I asked them to all look at the recipie and the ingredient piles ,and I explained that all they needed to do was bake the cookies in the time limit the recipie stated and in the way the recipie stated.Then we would take our cookies back into the rec room and let the other men give us a results based set of data.

This sounds stupid but it wasnt.The truck driver and the blue-flamer tied for the most disgusting cookies,they couldnt follow the directions without tweaking them in a number of small but integral ways,and their results bore this fact out as per a jury of their peers who happened to have a lot of experience eating cookies.Bulletproof method.The two crew members who were already indoctrinated into striving for mistake free performances produced the best results.End of story and i went to bed. It cost me some beverages after the fact but the personal expenditure proved to be worth it in the stress it saved me having to teach the blue-flamer lessons i didnt believe he had earned,he was trying to skip steps and I refused to assist him.I wouldnt even fully explain my methods,it would have only made him craftier,not work harder at being a team member.I withheld data from him,so you see,you cant do that ,you must provide all the data to people who have earned the right to acess that data through developing their communication skills and team mentalitys--or you waste time and effort.

I think I understand why so many men dont make it in pro hockey,they arent able to micro-manage themselves within a system,it isnt a physicality or skill issue it is a communication and comprehension issue first and foremost.The Company office didnt understand why i went through so many highly qualified hands they sent me but my crews results insulated me from problems,although several times i was questioned--each time after five minutes of this same discussion we are having I was left alone,and the office simple relented and referred to the results.Money talks BS walks baby. I used this same methodology to gain the opportunity to work with the best Drilling contractors in North America on some of the best cadillac rigs out there.Same horse different rodeo.I was recieving phone calls at home from company owners--not office staff--OWNERS, trying to scalp me to come work for them.But the crap and abuse you need to endure as you battle the majority mindset present everywhere to create an elite dynamic takes a tremendous toll on you personally,you need to micro-manage keep perspective and truly pick your spots and never surrender quality,you need a great deal of faith in your values to weather the storm of AVERAGE mindsets you will inevitably need to crush or adjust to achieve consistant positive results.Dynamic management is a thankless job so you need to love it or leave it.Everyone wants to be the boss eh?ha ha ha.If and when players learn to be the boss of themselves and develop above average micro-managment skills then they will be in a position to become valuable assets to a dynamiclly managed system.If they cant do this they will inevitably flounder,this doesnt mean they werent capable or were bad scouting or management decisions--it means they couldnt adjust their perspectives and habits fast enough as individuals.Its commonly known as shelf-life.And apparently it is as short in the hockey proffesion as it is in other job environments.It is what it is,listen up and adjust and you will find yourself pulling the sled alongside the other big dogs,keep barking and pulling in the wrong direction higher than average energy and endurance levels or not and you will find yourself at home guarding the crapper.

This is a long post and I apologise for that,I could say this all in a very short time in person,but to get the entire concept across takes a lot of text,I cant tailor my explanation to specific individuals so I need to ramble on so as to not miss anything and be very broad in my explanations.I am not saying this is the only way to manage effectively,just that in my experiences it can be very productive to utilise dynamic management based on communication and micro-management on an individual level.

If I had kept the Cookie Monster on my crew he would be a Driller or a push by now,but in the moment he wasnt worth the time and attention,hence the promotion so the company wouldnt lose value.I can see how some hockey players might be very disappointed and confused when they arent given opportunitys they believe they deserve based on tangibles they understand not intangibles their coaches must consider to be sucessful at their own jobs. Given the time and opportunity ALL of the men who took the personal time to come out to work could be put in positions to suceed and evolve ,but that in many cases takes one-on-one intensive work and companies do not have provisions for that type of intensive training on an individual basis,they should but they dont,it is what it is.I never disrespect a mans intentions,people dont generally waste their own time and effort,I respect that and try to bend over backwards to help anyone who is trying to suceed and excell or grow.

Based this belief system,I would absolutely love to have Rob Schremp and Huggybear back and I am a huge fan of Peckhams.In fact I believe EveryMan we have within the organisation has what it takes to become an elite provider of positive results.I just dont see the Oilers as having the time or possibly the assets that are required to bring the best out of many of these men,plain and simple,that isnt a shot at the coaches either,I am saying who do the coaches turn to when they need timely immediate help with a specific player ?What is their outlet?? And if there is one the record shows it needs to be re-evaluated because we lose a tremendous amount of value every single year to the same dynamic without seeing a natural correction. If as a dynamic manager I never overload an individual with more than their share of system accountability I decrease my systems margin for error,and this is the key to winning-- consistant mistake free execution.Managing a system that is designed to create a balance of accountability on the ice at all times requires extra support for the coaches so they dont need to solve these communication issues while in the line of fire. Look at the incredible job Todd Nelson is doing right now??I hear many references to the system from his players and himself,I dont hear any tactical revelations but i see a common thread of references to the system,this means they are all on the same page and have their faith in the same spot,and it is in the system where it belongs.They all aknowledge a power greater than themselves from the coach down,this is the right mindset.When I see MPS being double-shifted in games I see dynamic managment based in the moment,this type of adjustment isnt random,it is system based Mr.Nelson and MPS dont decide on the double-shift,results do,and everyone is defending that system perspective,it is making champions of them,they are all on the same page.

Ok I hear the word-police sirens wailing ,gotta hit and run,see ya.

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#12 Archaeologuy
October 21 2012, 03:31PM
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I am concerned about Magnus, but the facts are that he isnt going to need to bring offence to play for the Oilers. The Oil have that covered. Magnus is big and fast but he has a defensive awareness that I think will eventually get him and keep him in the NHL.

I'm not sold on either of Pitlick or Hartikainen though. It will be tough for either of them to break in ahead of the veterans I think the Oilers need to balance so much youth.

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#13 Oiler Al
October 21 2012, 04:06PM
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Still think Oilers should experiment with using Paajarvi at center. Would need some training in the face off circle. He has size, speeed, and coverdefensively, and would be better at distributing the puck, as it seems he's no liking to shoot at the net that much.??

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#14 revingev
October 21 2012, 04:09PM
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newagesys...

no offence my friend. Your article was sounding interesting but was WAY too long of post. I got half way down and still had not come to understand the point. IN the end...Did not finish reading it. I am sure it was good (I will assume) but for most readers the post cant take more then a minuter or two to read.

Having said that, LT, once again you have outdone yourself. Great inside perspective when you start looking closer at this whole picture of the AHL.

I believe the big club's philosphy of development has changed for thwe 1st time in its existance and the current guys, Paajarvi, Pitlick etc...are being developed in a whole different world then previous tenure's.

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#15 Wanyes bastard child
October 21 2012, 04:30PM
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SYSTEM!

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#16 yawto
October 21 2012, 04:34PM
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Newagesys,

Your comment should never be longer than the article. Never. Just saying.

Good article LT

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#17 Butters
October 21 2012, 05:53PM
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@NewAgeSys As my Grade 12 English teacher used to say, whatever you write "should be like a mini-skirt, long enough to cover the topic, short enough to keep it interesting".

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#18 NewAgeSys
October 21 2012, 06:43PM
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My apologies for the lengthy post,I am working on condensing my posts not just here but wherever I am online,the direction and advice is respected and appreciated,thank you for your honesty--I will work harder to remember the posts are not mine but Oilersnations and everyone who shares the site trys to follow the program-my data is not more important than everyone elses--I will make a more sincere effort in the future.Again thank you for the direction and advice.

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#19 jayoilfan
October 21 2012, 10:23PM
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newagesystem, welldone! Even if a bit too long, I actually read the whole thing and the point is very valid and follows what Lowetide is talking about, and really expands it to why those guys have success and the other don't. They have figured "it" out. They are able to follow direction and not not ad their own flair outside of the way the coaches want.

it is a totally valid argument and makes sense in a lot of disciplines, as newagesystem pointed out with his long example of the oil drilling personnel.

Those who succeed inspite of the lack of some superstar talent do so because they are able to figure out the system and how they can fit in and contribute, it is that simple.

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#20 Hammers
October 21 2012, 10:57PM
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I notice of the current crop you don't mention Lander and must admit i wonder how far he will go . Also after the first 4 games the most shots are coming from RNH , Ebs, Paarvi and Schultz. Do you not feel a couple more players should be sent to Stockton ????? thereby stopping the merry go round .

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October 22 2012, 07:07AM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

My apologies for the lengthy post,I am working on condensing my posts not just here but wherever I am online,the direction and advice is respected and appreciated,thank you for your honesty--I will work harder to remember the posts are not mine but Oilersnations and everyone who shares the site trys to follow the program-my data is not more important than everyone elses--I will make a more sincere effort in the future.Again thank you for the direction and advice.

you could just start a NewAgeSys blog, where you wouldnt be shackled by post restrictions.

Then, you could write your coles notes version posts here (thank you for that) and provide a link to a more detailed "old school" NewAgeSys.

best of both worlds really

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