Edmonton Oilers Point Projections: Top-Six

Robert Vollman
October 22 2012 07:14AM

Point projections you find in hockey magazines are based on the intuitive guesses of analysts who follow the teams closely, and can therefore occasionally be skewed by personal biases or wishful thinking.  That's why it's best to supplement (not replace) them with purely statistically-based projections.

For the third season in a row over at the Flamesnation sister site we're using the two most popular statistical projection systems, Tom Awad's VUKOTA and my own Snepsts67, to anchor our expectations.  The former is more established, regularly winning David Staples' comparative analysis, and has the advantage of also estimating games played while the latter defines lower and upper ranges, and finds good historical examples within.

Given Edmonton's well-established reputation as being among the most stats-savvy fans in the NHL, it makes sense to start covering this here as well – and give Staples another system to throw into the mix.

For a spreadsheet with complete results and a bit more of an explanation head on over to Hockey Abstract.  Speaking of which, figuring out how a player is going to be used is the trickiest part of a projection, and that context can generally be found in the Player Usage Charts also available on that site, so have that handy too.

Today we'll start with the top-six forwards here today, analyze the defensemen next time and then the remaining secondary forwards in a third and final piece.  Let's dig in!

Jordan Eberle

Aided by the league's fifth best shooting percentage that leapt from 11.4% to 18.9%, a team shooting percentage jumping from 7.9% to an amazing 12.8% when he was on the ice, and an offensive zone start percentage vaulting from 49.3% to 60.7%, Jordan Eberle's scoring surged forward from 18 goals and 43 points to 34 goals and 76 points.

Defensively Eberle was used even more infrequently on the penalty kill than the year before, but his personal goals-against average remained exactly 3.08, against average competition.

Obviously Eberle's scoring totals due for a fair deal of statistical regression but fortunately his own development will cancel most of that out, leaving him once again just above those 30-goal, 70-point plateaus.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 78   34   42   76
VUKOTA    79.4 31.7 42.3 73.9
Best      82   37.6 56.7 94.4
Worst     82   18.6 20.6 39.2
Average   82   31.2 40.5 71.7

Four of his ten closest historical matches were on pace for 78-81 points, including his closest match Jeremy Roenick.  Though already far grittier than Eberle at that age, Roenick was shooting and scoring at a comparable rate (when adjusting for era).


Eberle GP  G A PTS
Age 20 69 18 25 43
Age 21 78 34 42 76

Roenick GP G A PTS
Age 20 78 19 29 48
Age 21 79 31 42 73
Age 22 80 40 39 79

Roenick enjoyed his highest scoring seasons at this early stage of his career.  In absolute era-unadjusted terms, Roenick averaged 50 goals over the next three seasons, topping 100 points each time and, most importantly, was absolutely unstoppable in NHL 94.  This is all good news for Eberle, both on the ice, and in NHL 2014.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

Context is everything, and Gabriel Landeskog edged out Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for the Calder trophy partly because of Nugent-Hopkins' injury, but also because he played the toughest minutes on the team while Edmonton used their sensational rookie almost exclusively in the offensive zone, and against more second-line competition.

While his even-strength assignment will no doubt get more difficult as the years progress, he's already proven himself amazing with the man advantage, scoring at an amazing rate of 7.4 points per 60 minutes.  Unfortunately the historical similarity system requires at least two years of data, but VUKOTA was able to confidently project a modest improvement over-all.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 62   18   34   52
VUKOTA    67.3 21.8 36.8 58.6

As a side note, Nugent-Hopkins was perhaps the league's worst at faceoffs, winning just 37.5% of his 605 draws.

Taylor Hall

Perhaps my favourite of all Edmonton's young stars, Taylor Hall has had fantastic double-digit possession numbers in each of his two seasons, meaning the Oilers have at least a 10-shot advantage (per 60 minutes) when he's on the ice.  In fairness this is partly from an offensive zone start boost, but he does face opposing top lines.

He's also enjoyed a consistent even-strength scoring rate of around two points per 60 minutes, and his power play scoring jumped from 3.7 to 6.7 points per 60 minutes thanks to a little luck and his great chemistry with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.  His style of play has also quickly made him one of the league's best at drawing penalties.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 61   27   26   53
VUKOTA    67.4 28.2 29.3 57.5
Best      82   31.8 41.3 73.2
Worst     82   17.0  7.5 24.5
Average   82   25.9 31.4 57.3

Though the average scoring expectations for Taylor Hall seem quite modest, his closest historical matches include Hall-of-Famer Pat LaFontaine and future Hall-of-Famer Jarome Iginla, both of whom developed into highly prolific scorers.  Three of his ten closest historical matches topped 30 goals, 40 assists and 70 points in this upcoming season and personally I think he can too.

Ales Hemsky

For all these amazing young talents to get such advantageous ice-time in the offensive zone and against second or third line competition, someone had to start holding the short end of the stick, and that someone has been Ales Hemsky.  Hemsky has lost his offensive zone boost, and has finished top-3 among Oilers in quality of competition these past two seasons, and his numbers reflect it.

Despite the change in playing conditions, Hemsky remains a great talent with some of the strongest possession numbers on the team.  His page on hockey-reference is humourously adorned with Tyler Dellow's message “Wondering if your team should get him? The Oilers have the worst record since the lockout - they didn't get there by winning trades. Your team will rip them off and he'll play well. Enjoy - great player to watch, a genius of sorts.”

Unfortunately when it comes to the box score numbers, Hemsky didn't look very good.  His tougher playing conditions (and a little bad luck) led to a team shooting percentage dropping from 12.1% to 7.0% when he was on the ice, and his own shooting percentage dropping from 14.0% to 7.3%, which led to an even-strength scoring rate dropping to just 1.5 points per 60 minutes after two years in the 2.7 range.  Furthermore, the changing role on the power play has him scoring just 3.6 points per 60 minutes these past two years, after regularly scoring over 6.0.  Assuming these conditions persist, so will his deflated scoring levels.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 69   10   26   36
VUKOTA    61.9 12.8 23.5 36.3
Best      82   31.7 43.5 75.2
Worst     82    5.3 14.0 19.3
Average   82   17.7 32.9 50.7

His closest historical match is similarly-styled (and injury-prone) playmaking artisan Michal Pivonka, who played his entire 13-season career with the Washington Capitals.  Thanks to the opportunity to feed Peter Bondra, Pivonka scored the modern-day equivalent of 30 points in 46 games in the lockout-shortened 1994-95 season, followed by 70 points in 73 games in 1995-96.

Four of his ten closest historical matches scored at least 20 goals, and seven topped 30 assists (over 82 games).  Pair Hemsky up appropriately and he could no doubt do the same.

Sam Gagner

With five straight seasons scoring between 13-18 goals, and 41-49 points, you might consider Sam Gagner's scoring the most predictable – but no.  While the average projections are certainly within that range, half of Gagner's closest historical matches scored 20 goals, and four of ten topped 58 points.  Given the potential he showed with his amazing eight-point night, Gagner could very easily break out of his established scoring range.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 75   18   29   47
VUKOTA    67.3 16.1 25.0 41.1
Best      82   27.2 43.1 70.2
Worst     82    9.6 15.2 24.8
Average   82   18.9 28.8 47.7

An Oiler who is terrible at faceoffs, which I suppose is a redundant statement, Gagner has consistently strong possession numbers, as you might expect from someone who generally gets a solid offensive zone boost and just faced above average competition for the first time.  His even-strength scoring rate has been in that lower top-six range of 1.6-2.0 points per 60 minutes his entire career and though he had one strong season on the power play in 2009-10 he's generally a secondary option only.

Last year Gagner also went 6 for 9 on the shootout after going 3 for 20 over the previous three seasons – do you still think the shootout is a predictable, reproducible talent closely related to hockey, rather than an arbitrary way to simulate parity through randomness?

Shawn Horcoff

While you shouldn't generally sign 30-year-old secondary centers to long-term $5.5M deals, you have to admit that the Oilers are fortunate to have a strong, veteran two-way pivot like Shawn Horcoff to play the truly brutal minutes until their younger players develop.

The least horrible of Edmonton's faceoff men, Horcoff has been the Oilers' top penalty killer up front for quite some time, and though he finished with the highest quality of competition among their forwards for the third year in a row, and among the bottom three in offensive zone starts for the third time in the past four seasons, his possession numbers consistently remain at least even.

Offensively Horcoff remains a useful secondary power play option but at even-strength his scoring level last grazed the lower top-six level way back in 2009-10.  Unless he's given softer minutes alongside one of Edmonton's talented young superstars, Horcoff's scoring will remain in the 30s.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 81   13   21   34
VUKOTA    65.8 10.2 16.7 26.9
Best      82   20.5 47.1 67.6
Worst     82    7.7 11.2 18.9
Average   82   11.3 25.8 37.1

While four of Horcoff's closest historical matches scored 27 points or less, half of them were in a tight range between 37-45 points – his likely maximum upside this season.

Ryan Smyth

Receiving a 78.3% stamp of approval from a recent ESPN survey of top statistical analysts from around the league (including Jonathan Willis) of all this off-season's UFA deals, Ryan Smyth was signed to a bargain two-year, $2.25M/season deal.  A dominant two-way top-six forward most of his career, the accomplished 36-year-old veteran will now be wind up his career in a tough minutes support role not dissimilar from last year's.

Though Smyth's lower top-six even-strength scoring rate of 1.6 to 1.9 points per 60 minutes has held strong for quite some time, his over-all scoring levels have consistently dropped every season, in pace with decreases in ice-time at both even-strength and the power play.  Meanwhile, after two seasons in Los Angeles where he ranked 9th among their forwards in Quality of Competition, he finished 3rd in Edmonton last year, while simultaneously finishing with the 5th lowest offensive zone start percentage – quite possibly his lowest ranking ever.  He also became one of the team's top line penalty killers after years of depth usage only.


          GP    G   A   PTS
Last Year 82   19   27   46
VUKOTA    69.8 15.1 20.1 35.2
Best      82   20.5 26.8 47.3
Worst     82    9.4 18.4 27.8
Average   82   15.5 21.4 36.9

Given his age and his usage, you'll have to agree with the realism of a 16 goal, 37 point projection. Though there were only two 20-goal scorers among his ten closest historical matches, there's actually still a lot of reason to predict something closer to the upper end of this projection.  Half of his closest matches, for instance, were in a tight band between 42-47 points, including his closest historical match Claude Lemieux.

Next Time

It's been a pleasure to put this analysis together for one of the more receptive fanbases, and I hope you enjoyed it.  If you did, stay tuned for the next part, which will feature the defensemen, before we wrap it up with a final article covering the remaining, secondary forwards.

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Rob Vollman of www.HockeyAbstract.com is a regular feature writer on ESPN Insider, co-author of Hockey Prospectus 2010-11 and 2011-12, and regular contributor to NHL Numbers, Flames Nation and Arctic Ice Hockey. Innovator of Player Usage Charts, Quality Starts, GVS (Goals Versus Salary), the Snepsts Projection System, and known for work in League Equivalencies (NHLE). Twitter: @robvollmanNHL
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#1 The Towel Boy
October 22 2012, 08:54AM
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I think you need to double check your calcs...I had The Nuge™ down for 11 billion points for this season.

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#2 EL PRESIDENTE
October 22 2012, 09:40AM
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Hey, did anyone watching the "AARRRR" feed of the Barons game on Friday happen to hear the convo between their sound tech and color man?

It went something like this:

Color Guy: So is this your first Hockey game? Sound tech: Ya. C.G: what do you think of hockey so far? S.T: I played Lacrosse in college, its alot like lacrosse, just faster. S.T: So I heard the Barons have a good team this year. C.G: The Oilers have sent some of their young talent, Nugent_Hopkins, Eberle and Schultz here to play because of the NHL lockout. S.T: The NHL seems to have alot of lockouts, that can't be a goodthing.

Moral of the story, some guy holding working a sound board in a 3/4 empty rink at a Barons game who's closest encounter with hockey has been playing lacrosse knows ANOTHER lockout is not good for the NHL. Bettmen SUCKS.

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#3 David S
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EL PRESIDENTE wrote:

Hey, did anyone watching the "AARRRR" feed of the Barons game on Friday happen to hear the convo between their sound tech and color man?

It went something like this:

Color Guy: So is this your first Hockey game? Sound tech: Ya. C.G: what do you think of hockey so far? S.T: I played Lacrosse in college, its alot like lacrosse, just faster. S.T: So I heard the Barons have a good team this year. C.G: The Oilers have sent some of their young talent, Nugent_Hopkins, Eberle and Schultz here to play because of the NHL lockout. S.T: The NHL seems to have alot of lockouts, that can't be a goodthing.

Moral of the story, some guy holding working a sound board in a 3/4 empty rink at a Barons game who's closest encounter with hockey has been playing lacrosse knows ANOTHER lockout is not good for the NHL. Bettmen SUCKS.

I'm surprised they weren't talking about the 1995 Motorola cell phones they were using for video cameras. I believe the technical definition is "SSCD" - "Super Sh!tty Caveman Definition".

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#4 Cory Dakin
October 22 2012, 07:46AM
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At the rate these CBA negotiations are going it might become incredibly easy to project the entire teams point totals.

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#5 OilrunsDeep
October 22 2012, 09:21AM
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@The Towel Boy

Pffft...Homer. He'll barely crack 120.

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#6 Jesse
October 22 2012, 09:23AM
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This was super awesome, although I was surprised to see Eberle mentioned as in line with Roenick. Very interesting stuff.

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#8 They're $hittie
October 22 2012, 08:09AM
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Nuge 21-59-80

Hall 37-35-72

Eberle 31-38-69

Gagner 20-33-53

Hemsky 18-35-45

Smyth 17-19-36

Horcoff 14-19-33

Yakupov (25-25-50)

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#9 Rama Lama
October 22 2012, 09:56AM
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The NHL does have the hammer.......declare an impass, ratify a new deal, ask the players to cross and play under the new deal.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this so far as an option. I for one would use it if I was Bettman, at least remind the players of this.........maybe it will help get the deal done faster!

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#10 @Oilanderp
October 22 2012, 10:25AM
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Entertaining read. Quite a broad range of best and worst predictions in the Snepsts67 technique. The Ebersquee will score between 39 and 94 pts? Sort of like a supposed psychic throwing statements like "i'm getting a J person coming through, does anyone in this stadium of 17000 have a deceased relative whose name has a J?"

If I was forced to give a number, and I was observing Snepsts67, I would select the average of the best and worst? Or is this 'average' weighted in some way?

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#11 They're $hittie
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The hockey news piunt projections this year said about nuge "this kid will lead the league in points one day soon"

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#12 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
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David S wrote:

I'm surprised they weren't talking about the 1995 Motorola cell phones they were using for video cameras. I believe the technical definition is "SSCD" - "Super Sh!tty Caveman Definition".

I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

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#13 EL PRESIDENTE
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I suppose the camera budget got eaten up by the promo budget and its,

"give away a brand stinkin new shiny car covered in Barons vinyl logos every month at a home game"

Maybe if we ignore the OILERS like people in OKC ignore the BARONS we can get in on the free stinkin new car action too?

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#14 David S
October 22 2012, 03:18PM
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EL PRESIDENTE wrote:

I suppose the camera budget got eaten up by the promo budget and its,

"give away a brand stinkin new shiny car covered in Barons vinyl logos every month at a home game"

Maybe if we ignore the OILERS like people in OKC ignore the BARONS we can get in on the free stinkin new car action too?

I always liked new car stink.

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#15 hunkybill
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Rama Lama wrote:

The NHL does have the hammer.......declare an impass, ratify a new deal, ask the players to cross and play under the new deal.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this so far as an option. I for one would use it if I was Bettman, at least remind the players of this.........maybe it will help get the deal done faster!

Most NHL players hopefully wouldn't aim to be SCABS!

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#16 Tayranchula
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That picture of Hall is scary in two ways. One he is looking down and reaching out cause the defender gave him a brutal suicide pass or Two he is so eager to get burning that he leaves his head down. Both could easily apply with the way the Oilers D have passed the pucks in the recent past and with the way Hall gets caught with his head down all to often.

Cant wait till Hall starts maturing and becoming a complete Beast with this play.

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