TELEGRAPHING WHAT'S NEXT

Robin Brownlee
October 30 2012 07:46PM

Everybody paying attention knows I keep score and, because of that quirk, they know I hold Bob Stauffer in high regard when it comes to his ability to telegraph what's going to happen with the Edmonton Oilers.

Truth be told, Stauffer should probably be sending me a cheque, or at least a gift certificate, for all the times I've pumped his tires around here, going on and on like a fartcatcher about his ability to call the shots as he laps the rest of the media pack in Edmonton.

Bombastic Bob has a buzz going again with his latest hint/tidbit/suggestion foreshadowing the Oilers could have a trade in the works when the lockout is over, an item that Jonathan Willis wrote about today.

Stauffer had agent Brian Lawton on Oilers Now on 630 CHED today. If you want the full podcast of the segment, you kind find it here. It's probably worth a listen to get the complete context of the interview (not to mention what Lawton actually said).

POISED TO MAKE A DEAL?

Lawton's worked both sides of the agent/management street in the NHL, and as far as I know he's not being paid by Daryl Katz. So, those who believe everything Stauffer says is tainted by the fact he's on the Oilers payroll -- he's certainly towed the company line on the arena debate but there's no denying his track record on player moves -- might put more weight in Lawton's words.

That said, it wasn't Lawton's answers -- even though they seem to support Stauffer's contention GM Steve Tambellini is now in a situation after six years out of the playoffs to make a trade from a position of strength – that caught my ear, it was one of Stauffer's questions.

Essentially, might all that young talent put Tambellini in the position to acquire needed pieces by way of a trade? Perhaps a proven defenseman or a physical forward who can play in coach Ralph Krueger's top nine? I think so.

The real tell for me, at least if I've come to read Stauffer right over the years, was how he made specific mention of players with no-movement clauses and how they might now consider Edmonton a destination they'd approve. It was about as subtle as a slap in the mouth.

THE CALLED SHOT

"There's one more group of players out there in my mind that maybe starts considering Edmonton that always kind of dismissed them before – that's guys with no movement clauses that may be a casualty of a new CBA," Stauffer suggested to Lawton.

"I'm wondering if you think the landscape has changed enough that those players who would once be completely, "I'm not going to Edmonton. What do you mean you can facilitate a trade with Edmonton?"

"I'm wondering if players like that now, if you think, might sit there and go, "You know, those guys could turn it around pretty quickly if they got the right couple of pieces in place."

Just a hunch, but I'm guessing that Stauffer already had the answer when he asked Lawton the question today. So, a trade involving a noteworthy player with a no-movement clause, then? Duly noted.

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#51 teddydubbs
October 30 2012, 11:04PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Personally, I'm jaded from the arena debate, and we have no NHL right now, so I'm extra cranky, and don't have a whole lot of Oilers talk to keep my mind busy. There is no question that Stauffer is very well connected, and thanks to social media, I can read all his little tidbits of info out without having to listen to him. Best of both worlds for me.

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#52 Ales Hallsky
October 30 2012, 11:07PM
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SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!

*runs away in tears whilst shedding articles of clothing*

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#53 toprightcorner
October 30 2012, 11:15PM
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Reading between the lines I see two options.

1. Long term high price contract of a very good player but cant quite live up to what he makes. Guessing 4-5 years left in contract. Can buy out contract when cap issues come into play for Yaks long term contract.

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#54 toprightcorner
October 30 2012, 11:15PM
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Reading between the lines I see two options.

1. Long term high price contract of a very good player but cant quite live up to what he makes. Guessing 4-5 years left in contract. Can buy out contract when cap issues come into play for Yaks long term contract.

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#55 Wanyes bastard child
October 30 2012, 11:50PM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!

*runs away in tears whilst shedding articles of clothing*

Travis?

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#56 DonDon
October 30 2012, 11:54PM
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Let's get some perspective here.

Being a cynic, and after the all the Oilers screw-ups, and the owner is a walking PR disaster, I have my doubts about the motive of Stauffer's latest news.

Besides the ineptitude of the hockey operations (missing the playoffs forever, unable to trade for a D, bad contracts, etc., etc, etc.), the downtown arena disaster and now the political contribution blow-up, perhaps Stauffer's vague prediction about a vague trade is to redirect criticism from you know who.

Robin, you may believe Stauffer is trustworthy, but I don't particularly agree. Why? Is he independent from the Oilers organization? No. There is an ethical issue here and I don't think he passes the smell test on the truth of Oilers information.

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#57 FMS
October 31 2012, 12:08AM
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I still think its Bouwmeester. The Flames are one of a few teams with a budget higher than our own. When you go through the teams who have more money committed than Edmonton, and search for players with NTC's we'd reasonably be interested in, its a pretty short list.

The comment "And it’ll make for some entertaining discussion, let’s just say that.” leads me to believe the trade might be contentious among fans. Again, Bouwmeester fits the bill. Thats my prediction.

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#58 toprightcorner
October 31 2012, 12:08AM
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Reading between the lines I see two options.

1. Long term high price contract of a very good player but cant quite live up to what he makes. Guessing 4-7 years left in contract. Can buy out contract when cap issues come into play for Yaks long term contract.

Payers falling in this stage IMO

Lecavalier Campell Eric Stall Wisniewski Yandle Tyutin Mikko Koivu

2. 2-3 yr deals where thet are passing on their prime but have a lot to offer on and off the ice. Contracts ending in low to mid 30's so still have a last contract they could get and leave to another team or stay at reduced pay.

Players in this category

Joe Thornon Patric Marleau Spezza Dan Boyle Briere Timonnen Joe Bowmeester Getzlaf (1 year) Perry (1 year)

I see Thorton or Marleau or Timonen as high possibilities.

Also see Lecavilier or Yandle or Tyutin being others based on being passed by other players on their teams and still having long contract.

Any of these either contract ends soon, easy buyout or can resign at lower rate

Luongo would be dumb. Van wont trade him in the division with chances of getting killed by him 6 times a year. He couldnt handle the pressure in Edmonton as a baby.

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#59 sturgeon willy
October 31 2012, 01:32AM
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Hopefully the Oilers brass have not gone daft about Luongo the way some Edmonton media and fans. The Canucks management finally came to the realization that having a relatively unproven, but promising, Schneider gave them a better chance to win than Bobi-Lou. How can anyone forget the numerous replays from the last few years of the puck entering the Canuck net while B-L is doing his face first swim move...or our powerhouse Olympic team barely overcoming his goaltending to win gold. While Devon Dubnyk's impressive .915 save percentage last season (with a horrible D corp giving up bucket loads of quality scoring chances) needs to be further tested over a heavier workload to see if it holds up, bobi-lou's long record of shooting himself and his team in the foot needs no further proof in Oilerville.

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#60 sizedoesmatter
October 31 2012, 06:28AM
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I,m boycotting Bobs infomercial show till the lockout is settled,And the arena is built Its to embarassing to explain why I am yelling at the radio

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#61 vetinari
October 31 2012, 08:07AM
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Also, the Oilers making a big trade once a new CBA is up makes sense from a political standpoint... It takes the bitter taste of Katz's visit to Seattle out of people's mouths, and it would be easier to convince taxpayers to help fund a new stadium for a winning team... Just sayin'

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#62 LoDog
October 31 2012, 08:15AM
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vetinari wrote:

Also, the Oilers making a big trade once a new CBA is up makes sense from a political standpoint... It takes the bitter taste of Katz's visit to Seattle out of people's mouths, and it would be easier to convince taxpayers to help fund a new stadium for a winning team... Just sayin'

My thoughts exactly. Another stinker of a season isn't going to help Katz gets his arena. Actually making the playoffs would go a long way in getting people behind this again.

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#63 Jaw17
October 31 2012, 09:26AM
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Bob probably heard this from the Oilers sources, however with enough public backlash they might change their mind just like they did on draft day!

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#64 Lochenzo
October 31 2012, 10:35AM
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A trade for an established higher end player would definitely send the message to the players and fans that this year is going to be different from the previous 6.

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#65 Quicksilver ballet
October 31 2012, 10:57AM
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@Pouzar99

Was thinking along the same lines of what happened on draft day. Only thing i pegged different is that Edmonton went for the home run and wanted that Columbus pick in the 2 spot as well. Thinking Kevin had a package put together that he felt Howson would jump at. Edmonton tried to free that second selection up some by announcing that Murray was going to be selected first.

If Howson would've co-operated, Lowe would've selected Murray with the first selection, and Galchenyuk with that second pick. It was Larionov who seemed to confirm this for me when he was anti all things Edmonton in the last couple hours leading up to the draft. Igor got wind of what the Oilers were trying to do and was irate the Oilers were going to let Yakupov fall to the 3 or even 4 spot in the draft.

Howson fails to co-operate and the Oilers are left standing at the alter. With their hopes unraveling and just the one selection to be had for the Oilers, only thing that would sell in Edmonton was Nail Yakupov. Management gambled and lost on draft day. Murray and Galchenyuk together would of had the fans dancing in the streets here. Leaving the perceived best player available on the table would've been acceptable if the Oilers had addressed the Defenceman and 2nd line center issue.

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#66 DSF
October 31 2012, 11:41AM
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PK Subban and Gomez for Paajarvi, Belanger and a top D prospect according to Treena.

Oilers get a top pairing D, get rid of a malcontent and take on the remaining 2 years of Gomez's contract at $7.3M to make it worthwhile for the Habs.

Depending on how the CBA looks, Gomez could be bought out.

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#67 DSF
October 31 2012, 12:43PM
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@Jason Gregor

I'm just the messenger but I don't think it's as far fetched as you might think and, apparently, that's what the Oilers offered not what the Habs might accept.

In any case, it would depend on how highly the Habs value Paajarvi and, say, Marincin.

Also a factor might be the inability of the Habs and Subban to agree on a new contract.

The Habs offered him 3 years@ $4M and he turned it down wanting a 5 year deal.

As for Gomez, the Habs may have more money than the Oilers but $15M is $15M and is not chump change for any NHL organization.

If the Habs wanted to buy him out, they likely already would have done so but likely didn't want to carry the cap hit forward.

That's exactly the kind of "cap trouble" down the road that Stauffer was referring to.

I'd be curious to see your thoughts on what you think Stauffer is talking about.

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#68 FastOil
October 31 2012, 01:07PM
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Pouzar99 "Bob's ego is way, way too big to knowingly make himself look like an out-of-the-loop sad ass"

That cracked me up. I knew Bob personally many moons ago. Hilarious guy, let's say not lacking self esteem, seems his ego is still in tact.

I believe the Oilers are looking to make a deal, they have been kicking tires for a few years, right?

The price has to be right as Tambellini has said, MacTambeLowe isn't big time like Lombardi or Chiarelli, more like Holland (or wishes to be).

It is just as likely to me that Bob knows what they want to do, but nothing happens when the Oilers get surprised by the fact there isn't a fire sale for top players to get rid of cap like they might be anticipating. Or that NTC players still aren't quite ready for the Oiler experience. Winning some games might have to come first.

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#69 Smokey
October 31 2012, 01:45PM
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DSF wrote:

Only deal that makes sense is Hemsky for Luongo.

The Port Moody Prince might have fun in Vancouver.

Lou for Horcoff...If we are signing up for 10 years, probably 5 of them bad, then they can eat the Captain Horcov contract.

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#70 DSF
October 31 2012, 01:53PM
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Smokey wrote:

Lou for Horcoff...If we are signing up for 10 years, probably 5 of them bad, then they can eat the Captain Horcov contract.

The Canucks have no need for Horcoff...he'd be their 5th best centre.

Hell, a one eyed Manny Malhotra had worse zone starts than Horcoff, played with lesser linemates and still finished far ahead of Horcoff in plus/minus while winning 58.5% of his faceoffs.

I don't see any deal that makes sense other than Hemsky and, even then, I don't think he would be a good fit with either Sedin or Kesler.

Like it or not, Luongo is one of the top ten goalies in the league and would improve the Oilers overnight...but I just don't see it happening.

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#71 TonyT
October 31 2012, 04:21PM
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DSF wrote:

The Canucks have no need for Horcoff...he'd be their 5th best centre.

Hell, a one eyed Manny Malhotra had worse zone starts than Horcoff, played with lesser linemates and still finished far ahead of Horcoff in plus/minus while winning 58.5% of his faceoffs.

I don't see any deal that makes sense other than Hemsky and, even then, I don't think he would be a good fit with either Sedin or Kesler.

Like it or not, Luongo is one of the top ten goalies in the league and would improve the Oilers overnight...but I just don't see it happening.

To be fair, Horcoff also only has "one eye".

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#72 Pouzar99
October 31 2012, 04:33PM
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I am still waiting to hear from the Stauffer fans about what happened to him on draft day. If his connections are so good, why did he suck eggs on the biggest Oiler decision of the entire year?

Why was the ultimate insider left outside in the cold when it mattered most? Obviously somebody told him it was going to be Murray, he went with it hard and he got burned. No way that happens without some kind of confirmation from the Oilers and we all know Bob is VERY connected. Come on Brownlee and Gregor. How do you read it? Was he played by his own sources for their purposes? Why did he start off saying it had to be Yak and then slowly drift all the way over to saying it was almost certain to be Murray? And most important, why did the Oilers want the story out that they were leaning towards Murray?

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#73 Archaeologuy
October 31 2012, 04:49PM
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@Pouzar99

Could you imagine an alternative universe where the Oilers drafted Murray instead of Yakupov?

That universe is WAAAYYY worse than this one. Instead of highlights of Yakupov scoring sick goals in the best League in the world (at present) we would be looking for highlights of how well Murray contained his player, made a good yet unspectacular pass to a forward, and dreaming about how Leadery he was.

Horrible.

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#75 Pouzar99
October 31 2012, 07:24PM
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I just finished listening to the clip Robin. In it Bob talks like its 50-50, but that was definitely not the general tone of the broadcast as I am sure some other posters on here can confirm.

I was listening to it that day. Were You? Bob and Dan kept saying that all the rumours were that it was going to be Murray. I listened to Oilers Now most of the summer and his changing take on the pick was unmistakeable. As he said today, he often repeated that his heart said Yak but his gut said Murray. Translation. He was a good enough hockey man to know Yak was the best player. But he was being told by his Oiler sources that they were leaning to Murray and finally that it was going to be Murray.

I have nothing against Stauffer, apart from his shilling for Katz. I said in my post that he is almost never wrong in his predictions about what the Oilers are going to do. That is NOT a criticism. But despite today's attempt to airbrush it, he was wrong on draft day. On the day you most want to be right when the team has the Number One pick. If they had picked Murray, believe me this is not the clip you would be hearing. The question you need to ask yourself is why his Oiler sources misled him.

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#76 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 31 2012, 07:58PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

I just finished listening to the clip Robin. In it Bob talks like its 50-50, but that was definitely not the general tone of the broadcast as I am sure some other posters on here can confirm.

I was listening to it that day. Were You? Bob and Dan kept saying that all the rumours were that it was going to be Murray. I listened to Oilers Now most of the summer and his changing take on the pick was unmistakeable. As he said today, he often repeated that his heart said Yak but his gut said Murray. Translation. He was a good enough hockey man to know Yak was the best player. But he was being told by his Oiler sources that they were leaning to Murray and finally that it was going to be Murray.

I have nothing against Stauffer, apart from his shilling for Katz. I said in my post that he is almost never wrong in his predictions about what the Oilers are going to do. That is NOT a criticism. But despite today's attempt to airbrush it, he was wrong on draft day. On the day you most want to be right when the team has the Number One pick. If they had picked Murray, believe me this is not the clip you would be hearing. The question you need to ask yourself is why his Oiler sources misled him.

there are some who believe the pesky rumour that the scouting staff had agreed their recommendation was Murray. And, up until someone higher up the food chain stepped in, it was going to be Murray.

i am far from a stauffer supporter, but i would suggest Stauffers sources were saying it was Murray because as far as the scouts were concerned the pick was Murray.

what happened after made everyone look foolish.

*puts tinfoil hat back on and eats a massive block of cheese*

edit: I should state i believe the oilers picked the right player in the end. i also enjoyed seeing bombastic bob wear this one, but i dont lay the blame on him for it. his sources (IMO) did not mislead him. his sources were (IMO) over-ruled at the 11th hour.

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