CATCHING UP WITH THE KIDS

Lowetide
October 07 2012 10:49AM

The season for hockey is well underway; for Oiler fans, following the gifted kids across the globe can be frustrating and time consuming. Fortunately, the "player pages" are now up and offer us a handy guide to their progress.

THE KIDS

  1. Oscar Klefbom is impressing everyone with his defensive play. Getting good reviews too, this article from yesterday says Klefbom "played sharply and with a poise that is lovely to behold, best back today."
  2. Nail Yakupov is off to a crazy start, 3 goals in 4 games.
  3. Mitch Moroz has 3 points in 6 games, well ahead of previous numbers.
  4. Jujhar Khaira's page has a photo his parents will like and not a lot else.
  5. Daniil Zharkov is about where we'd expect him to be in terms of points.
  6. Erik Gustafsson is in the 2-Swedish league and playing well.
  7. Joey Laleggia has an impressive home page.
  8. John McCarron gives us a chance to visit the glory days of Riley Nash.
  9. David Musil is enjoying an outstanding start to the season.
  10. Samu Perhonen is playing in the 2-Finland League but getting good results.
  11. Travis Ewanyk is getting results and observers are impressed by his play this season.
  12. Dillon Simpson's homepage is very nice, probably the best in the group.
  13. Tobias Rieder is on an exceptional line in Kitchener and should post enormous numbers.
  14. Martin Gernat has a page but it won't be getting many click throughs for awhile.
  15. Frans Tuohimaa is struggling in two leagues so far this season.
  16. Kellen Jones page hasn't been updated yet.
  17. Kyle Bigos page should get some hits, something tells me the Oilers will be reporting on him a lot.

UP NEXT: OKC

Photo courtesy of Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved.

The OKC Barons don't have their player bio pages up yet, but I'll pass them along when the go up. So far in pre-season for the Barons, Ryan Martindale has really made some noise. I have no idea if there's room for him, but he's going to force the issue based on his current play.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

This season is up in the air and there's not much fans can do about it. I think the best way to drive this thing is to enjoy what is available to us: the best league in the world doesn't exist, so we move on and watch what we can and enjoy the kids as they progress. In many ways, Oiler fans are the least impacted of the 30 NHL fanbases.

I mean--and not to be a jerk--what does another year or two do to the Flames roster? Some of those guys are approaching their pensions as it is. For the Oilers, a season in which the kids play well at the highest available level is a solid compromise.

And as fans, that means finding out about Quinnipiac, Merrimack, Neftekhimik, Farjestad and Belleville. So far, the progress shown by Nail, Oscar and another Ryan is something to get excited about for OilersNation.

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#1 book¡e
October 07 2012, 12:41PM
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@DSF

Got it - The Oilers Suck - Thanks for the valuable insight - we appreciate you risking the exposure to light to share your thoughts.

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#2 book¡e
October 07 2012, 01:46PM
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@NewAgeSys

Your use of commas is as close to tragic as anything I have ever witnessed. You should probably just never use them again to spare humanity from more of what you just did.

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#3 Dan Tencer
October 07 2012, 10:52AM
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FIST

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#4 TonyT
October 07 2012, 11:35AM
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Personally, I'm enjoying reading up on all these prospects. Ordered my OKC AHL Live pass yesterday (save $50 if you order before 10/19), and planning a road trip to Abbotsford for their November game against OKC. As well, the Edmonton Oilers have already won back to back Stanley Cups in my GM mode of NHL '13. No NHL, no problem...

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#5 Pouzar99
October 07 2012, 10:57PM
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Fellas, DSF is a troll. He doesn't even believe half the rubbish he posts. Ignore him. Or laugh at him as I do.

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#6 The Soup Fascist
October 08 2012, 09:56AM
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@ DSF

Please let us wait until Schneider is a starter for a season, without Luongo in town before we crown him one of the best in the league.

It's a little different when you are suddenly "the man" and all eyes and all the pressure are on you. Back up tender is the most popular guy in the fans eyes - 'cept Khabby of course. Let's face it Vancouver fans are not the most loyal, patient or knowledgable patrons in the world. They will turn on young Schneider as quick as they did a legitimate top goalie like Luongo.

I do not mind Schneider, but when you state as a fact he is one of the best, you lose me. To call others myopic, while spouting unproven nonsense like this rings hollow. Schneider may turn out to be a fine goaltender but he is a long way from establishing it. Apparently they sell rose colored glasses in BC (along with hallucinogens) as well.

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#7 book¡e
October 08 2012, 10:29AM
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You know what I bet DSF hates. I bet he hates it when people get all upset and respond to his posts in a somewhat exasperated way. He probably abhors the fact that he frustrates you with his quasi-logic. I am sure that he doesn't intentionally use arguments that are 70% logic mixed with 30% overreaching idiocy simply to screw with you.

I admit, I am equally amazed by his ability to goat so many people into responding as I am confused by the amount of time he spends doing it.

It's kind of like playing Farmville or something. You just keep going and going, but never really achieve anything.

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#8 Reg Dunlop
October 07 2012, 01:09PM
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Speaking of centre depth, lets consider that of the canucks. After Kesler they have Sedin who, at 32 is approaching the downside of his career. Malhotra, same thing. Lapierre, 3rd liner at best. Ebbet, 4th liner. Gaunce, nothing but a prospect. I thought that the canucks window of opportunity with this roster was closing but really, with this season likely toast, the window is shut with the lack of center depth they have. But I forgot, they will probably trade Luongo for Malkin and win 4 straight cups.

Put down the crack pipe man.

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#9 Cheap Shot Charlie
October 07 2012, 10:05PM
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@DSF

Dear neighbour,

I've tried really hard to drop you hints about you telling me the same story over and over, your on going negativity about life and your "the grass is greener" comments. Since all my social cues have been ignored I decided to write you a letter.

You need new material because you tell the same story over and over. You are a dark cloud on a sunny day: you are constantly negative. You can't see the good around you because you are focused on what others have.

I hope this is able to enlighten you so you stop looking like the village idiot. I still like you but I don't always want to hang out for the above reasons. So, I'll give you a *HUG* and then send you on your way.

Yours truly,

Cheap Shot Charlie

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#10 lowetide keeping me positive since '07
October 07 2012, 11:06PM
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@DSF You need to realize that high end talent has to want to go somewhere to be traded to that place.... within the 5-10 years nobody wanted to come to edmonton, its not that our management team doesn't know how to trade for top talent, its the fact that they simply can't

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#11 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 09:07AM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

Fellas, DSF is a troll. He doesn't even believe half the rubbish he posts. Ignore him. Or laugh at him as I do.

He's a Canucks fan who spends all of his time on Oiler sites. Then applies all of his knowledge that he has gleaned from watching the Canucks win the Cup. Oh right...they haven't. If that isn't trolling I don't know what is.

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#12 John Chambers
October 08 2012, 10:12AM
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@loosemoose

I said to my cousins in BC two years ago: enjoy the next three seasons because that's the window for the Canucks. Two Presidents trophies and a SCF appearance later and the 'Nucks are a full season lockout away from a San Jose-style lengthy decline.

Anybody who doesn't think that aging teams like the Flames or Canucks will be worse off when hockey resumes is in denial.

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#13 RexLibris
October 07 2012, 11:45AM
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Bigos' page getting some hits. Pun intended?

There is a lot to like. I had commented back in January that a lockout would benefit the Oilers and be quite detrimental to the Flames current roster hopes. As Oiler fans I think we all feel that right now, we've got nothing but time on our hands. The hard work has been done, we just have to sit back and hope the sun shines evenly on all the crops. The next stage will call for some heavy lifting as well, but by then at least we'll be playing.

For the Flames? This stoppage could usher in the end they have so desperately been trying to avoid. They are ill-prepared for it and the next steps could be very difficult indeed if management and ownership do not alter their expectations.

Thanks for the updates, LT. Too bad the players wear helmets all the time now. Klefbom could have become a hit with the ladies if were to go lidless.

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#14 Suntory Hanzo
October 07 2012, 11:56AM
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2 games in Abby.

Remember for those not local in Abbotsford...Friday games are $1 hot dog and $2 beer nights.

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#15 DSF
October 07 2012, 12:05PM
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The problem Rex is that many observers are fooled into thinking the rise and fall of hockey teams is a linear natural progression and that a team like the Flames will inevitably hit bottom.

That's not how it works.

For example, the Flames may decide to trade Iginla and Kiprusoff at the trade deadline (if there is one) for a brace of young players or prospects and the game changes overnight.

Look at what Tallon was able to accomplish in one off season by unloading a ton of vets for prospects and draft choices.

Now, I'm not sure that Feaster is the right guy to do the same thing but there is so much chaos in hockey that one or two smart moves can turn things around in a hurry.

You say "the hard work has been done" but, no, no it hasn't.

Finishing at the bottom of the standings is not hard work at all.

The hard work begins now and that involves making shrewd free agent acquisitions and trades to build a winning roster around the serendipitous draft choices.

The Oiler organization is still woefully weak in centre depth, their defensive depth doesn't match other good teams and there are more questions than answers in goal.

So far, Tambellini has shown no acumen in acquiring the players that will be necessary to build a winner.

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#16 Reg Dunlop
October 07 2012, 12:55PM
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Do you honestly think the flames will get a windfall in return for 35 year old 7 million dollar Iginla? When he could be signed for zip after this season? Do you honestly think the flames will deal Kipper when he is under contract for next year? If they do, do you really think ,at 36 and 6 million dollars, he will return another windfall? Are you really so bored that you have nothing better to do than critisize ALL things oiler on this site? Just curious.

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#17 David S
October 07 2012, 11:48PM
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Dan Tencer wrote:

FIST

If this really is Dan Tencer, I must give props.

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#18 RexLibris
October 07 2012, 11:48PM
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Why wouldn't Kiprusoff just retire. His contract only pays him $1 million cash in the final year and that is before any potential rollback. From some reports he is quite fond of Calgary and while the desire to win a championship may be strong, he may be just as likely to decide to quit rather than spend half a season or so in another city playing for peanuts.

The chips Calgary had to kickstart a rebuild were wasted at last year's deadline. They could have moved at least two if not three expiring UFAs and gotten some picks. Instead Feaster has traded away two 2nd round picks and two 5th round picks in his two-and-change seasons as GM. He traded down in June and managed to recoup a pick that he had to throw away in order to overpay a problem to go away.

I'd take Tambellini over Feaster every day of the week. They can't kick-start a rebuild in Calgary because their owner can't see the forest for the trees and even if he could that ship has sailed. Now, I'm all out of metaphors and cliches for the evening so I bid you all a good night!

;-)

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#19 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 03:38AM
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The term "rebuild" is used pretty liberally these days. Your team sucks? REBUILD™!

How about clearing out some deadwood and swapping a few key pieces? I know jack about Feaster, but perhaps his management team thinks this is what they need to do. Like DSF says (and it pains me to say that), a few key moves and they could be back in business. Maybe not cup contenders, but a solid playoff team. That's the first step after all.

Fans in Edmonton seem to have really bought into the idea that it's cup or nothing. Contending here means "no worse than the cup finals". Problem is, you have to be in the playoffs to make the cup. Good teams are in the playoffs regularly. Only great teams "contend". And let's face it, we are a LOOOOONG way from being a great team. You're kidding yourselves if you think our D, keeping guys like Hordichuk and Eager around and Dubnyk as your starter gets the job done.

I'd be happy with a team that regularly plays in the post season. After that it's really a crapshoot unless you have a clearly dominant team like LA had this year.

Even though LA almost missed the playoffs...

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#20 RexLibris
October 08 2012, 09:33AM
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Having spent a fair deal of time digging through the Flames situation, from top to bottom, they are more than just a few trades away from being a good team.

There are significant gaps in many areas of the team's development pipeline, including defense, goaltending and, ironically enough, the right wing - Iginla's position.

Offering a five-year contract, with a full No Movement Clause, to Wideman is such a delusion that I really can't overstate it. The Oilers had a horrible time dealing with Souray's contract, yet at least they could waive him to the AHL. I suspect that Wideman will be a similar albatross for that club in two or three years and they won't have that luxury.

There are problems in that organization that will take four to six years to correct, whether they choose to spend that time rebuilding or not.

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#21 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 09:46AM
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See...there you are being myopic again.

The Sedins have only this season and next left on their contracts. (brilliant work by Gillis)

Once those contracts are done, Gillis has almost $13 million in extra cap space to work with.

Since Vancouver has no problems attracting free agents, Gillis will then have a great deal of flexibility in deciding how to move forward.

I can see him signing the Sedins at a lower rate to play second line minutes and signing a couple of free agents to play top line minutes.

Your suggestion that the Oilers are in a better place than Vancouver is just hilarious.

The Canucks have one of the best young goaltenders in the league and another young stud in Eddie Lack on the way.

The Oilers have a below average starter and a washed up hack.

They have a defense that is just entering its prime with Hamhuis (29), Bieksa, (31) Edler (26) Garrison (27) Ballard (29) and two young studs in Tanev (22) and Connauton (22) on their way up.

The Oilers counter with the remains of Ryan Whitney (29) Nick Schultz (30) Smid (26) Jeff Petry (24) Andy Sutton (37) Justin Shultz (22) and some nice prospects.

Even if J. Shultz and a couple of prospects turn out according to projections, the Oiler defense still has a couple of gaping holes.

While the Oilers have a promising top 6, they also have gaping holes at forward.

They need a more productive #2C, a #3C to replace a declining Horcoff (34) and are going to have to upgrade on Smyth (36) Belanger (34) Hordichuk (32) Eager (28) and Hemsky unless he can turn his game around.

That's an awful lot of holes to fill before the Oilers even become competitive never mind be contenders.

The NW will be a battle ground between the Canucks and the Wild while the other 3 teams struggle to make the playoffs.

I love how all the Canucks prospects are "studs" while the Oilers prospects don't rate with you. The Canucks prospect pool is garbage. Colorado and Edmonton have quality prospects.

I also find it comical that you think the Sedins will sign lower contracts and be willing to play second line minutes. I'm sure their agent will have a different opinion, too.

And your future plan has not accounted for Luongo's albatross contract.

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#22 David S
October 07 2012, 11:49AM
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Hate to say it but his abs ARE crazy.

Now where did I put that super sharp kitchen knife again? #HariKari

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#23 Lexi
October 07 2012, 11:57AM
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LT,

You're the best. The info you are providing on this this site and your site are sustaining me so far throug this crappy lockout. Klefbom's play so far, has been extremely encouraging.

Two takeaways for me from the two OKC games;

-I'm intrigued by Martindale as a prospect, as a 6'3" C is exactly what this team is missing in it's depth chart, but I can't find any example of a guy having such a mediocre year in the ECHL in his 1st pro year, becoming a legit NHLer.

-I find it interesting that OKC completely dominates the game Teubert plays and gets blown out in the gamete misses, because it seemed like his injury last year in the playoffs made a huge difference to OKC's play. I've got to think with the right development plan he could be a Jason Smith/Matt Greene level Dman.

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#24 Ryan
October 07 2012, 01:08PM
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TonyT wrote:

Personally, I'm enjoying reading up on all these prospects. Ordered my OKC AHL Live pass yesterday (save $50 if you order before 10/19), and planning a road trip to Abbotsford for their November game against OKC. As well, the Edmonton Oilers have already won back to back Stanley Cups in my GM mode of NHL '13. No NHL, no problem...

My oilers are only at one cup, but only one season has passed lol

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#25 NewAgeSys
October 07 2012, 01:41PM
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I love it when the Flames suck,and when Calgary is in the crapper as a city,all their juice dried up when the Ralph Klein took his support elsewhere. But being an Albertan I also want the Flames to be competative to keep the Oilers motivated,that rivalry can initiate an elite level of focus from guys,and that is what you need to be learning to become Stanley Cup championships,that ultr-focus that is catalysed by controlled emotion,you want to smash them so bad but your Provincial pride also drives you to defeat them with equal amounts of focus,the perfect balance. So yes,trade soft touch Iginla he is to quiet of a leader,he is a perennial All-star performer but a low-key leader.He would fit like a silk glove into the Canucks mindset and give them the toughness they require without losing any offence.I want to see Calgary re-tool as soon as possible,they also need to consider the importance of a cross-province rivalry and work harder to make it spark,say something like stacking their roster with young hotheaded players like the old Flames did,combat Edmontons skill with brash attitude,it is a perfect storm your attitude cases will learn high level hockey by getting hammered by the Oil and our skill players will learn to get tough fast and keep their heads up,at the end of the day as in past eras the Flames will rise as the Oilers rise and every year it will be a run to the finish.Unless the Flames try the long rebuild route,and waste the chance to catch some of the Oilers carpet ride.Iginla is worth three roster players right now,he is in his prime,an All-round elite player with experience dripping off of him,he would probably put the Nucks over the top by himself.And take over the room immediatly.When was the last time the Canucks had someone as tough and skilled as Iggy in their top six??Can you say Messier.Perfect fit,Iggy might even carry them to the cup right away this would be the right way for him to go out,iginla deserves a break from Calgary he has given enough,he deserves a championship before he retires,and his leadership style would fit in perfectly with the Sedins and the rest of the team there.

Anything to get the Flames back on their feet so we can knock the stuffing out of them for the next five or six years,we need a ragdoll and everyone likes redheads right??Lets get it on.Fill Calgarys roster with tough middleweights and let er rip,like the days of old.

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#26 @Oilanderp
October 07 2012, 02:17PM
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@NewAgeSys

Coles Notes™ version:

Iggy would be a good fit in VAN.

A half competitive CGY is good for EDM.

Notice my uses of hard returns and/or paragraphs.

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#27 Rebirth
October 07 2012, 02:43PM
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Ok he is an RFA an d has signed for Zug but Linus Omark has 11 points in 9 league games now and he leads the swiss scoring league.. And if the European trophy is counted he has 16 points in 12 games..

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#29 RexLibris
October 07 2012, 02:50PM
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@DSF

Okay, half the hard work is done, and I do believe this. It takes a certain amount of integrity to look at a system that one has ownership over and say that it sucks. It takes a certain amount of effort to identify the problems and then attempt to remedy those issues, especially so when they are systemic, as they were to a degree prior to 2009.

The temptation is always there to take the shortcut, to make the team better, even if only marginally, overnight and deflect some blame away.

That they haven't I take as a positive sign.

The next phase of hard work as you mentioned is just beginning. Paring down their list of prospects and managing all these players so that the team is grown, signed, and evolves efficiently with an eye on a championship and long-term stability.

Don't forget, Tambellini was involved in creating some of this in Vancouver, so he deserves a modicum of credit for that and the improvements shown in the AHL squad.

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#30 Lofty
October 07 2012, 02:50PM
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@NewAgeSys

"Iginla is worth three roster players right now,he is in his prime,an All-round elite player with experience dripping off of him,he would probably put the Nucks over the top by himself."

The prime of Iginlas career was 5 years ago. He's got one year left on a contract that pays him 7 million... trading 3 roster players for a 34 year old player with one year left on his contract is career suicide for a GM. His value is not even close to 3 roster players.

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#31 RexLibris
October 07 2012, 03:01PM
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For the record, I don't think Iginla returns a windfall of picks and prospects, especially in the event of a long-term work stoppage.

He'll be nearly 36 and if there is a quick trade deadline, or player's rights carry over to a specific date if the entire season is lost, then all the bargaining power will be with the purchasing team and the player.

I'm currently working on a detailed (yeah, I know, big surprise) plan of how I would rebuild the Flames over a four-year window. I've got Iginla valued at around a 1st round pick, a 2nd and a conditional 1st the following year and I think that is optimistic.

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#32 jdrevenge
October 07 2012, 03:10PM
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Whilst I may not have hockey knowledge to bestow. I will say this - Anna Kendricks is officially a babe.

That list combined with that picture made me feel warm and complete.

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#33 Hot Eire
October 07 2012, 03:39PM
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LT,

It seems that Jujhar Khaira made his debut for Michigan Tech in an exhibiton game last night (6-2 win over Brock). Looks like he centred the second line and he finished with 1 goal, 4 SOG, +2 and 2 mins for roughing.

They have him listed as 6-3 and 195lbs. Interesting prospect and not a bad start all in all!

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#34 Stealthwise
October 07 2012, 03:43PM
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lexi, Burrows had a mediocre first year in the ECHLwith 26 pts in 53 games. Everyone develops at their own pace

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#36 Pouzar99
October 07 2012, 04:11PM
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How about a piece on exactly what each NHL Oiler is doing to be ready IF the lockout ends. By my count, Yak, Hemsky, Smid, Petrell and Potter are in Europe, Nuge, Eberle (Hall soon) MP, Hartikainen, Lander, J Schultz are in OKC, Belanger, Jones, N Schultz and Petry practicing with the Bears, Smytty practicing with the Oil Kings, Gagner and Horc in a camp with Crosby and others. What are Eager, Peckham, Sutton, Whitney, Dubnyk, Khabibulin and Hordichuk up to?

Just wondering. Hopefully Theo isn't working at MacDonalds for all the fast food he can eat.

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#37 DSF
October 07 2012, 07:13PM
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RexLibris wrote:

For the record, I don't think Iginla returns a windfall of picks and prospects, especially in the event of a long-term work stoppage.

He'll be nearly 36 and if there is a quick trade deadline, or player's rights carry over to a specific date if the entire season is lost, then all the bargaining power will be with the purchasing team and the player.

I'm currently working on a detailed (yeah, I know, big surprise) plan of how I would rebuild the Flames over a four-year window. I've got Iginla valued at around a 1st round pick, a 2nd and a conditional 1st the following year and I think that is optimistic.

That...and a great return for Kiprusoff turns the ship around pretty fast.

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#38 DSF
October 07 2012, 07:19PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Okay, half the hard work is done, and I do believe this. It takes a certain amount of integrity to look at a system that one has ownership over and say that it sucks. It takes a certain amount of effort to identify the problems and then attempt to remedy those issues, especially so when they are systemic, as they were to a degree prior to 2009.

The temptation is always there to take the shortcut, to make the team better, even if only marginally, overnight and deflect some blame away.

That they haven't I take as a positive sign.

The next phase of hard work as you mentioned is just beginning. Paring down their list of prospects and managing all these players so that the team is grown, signed, and evolves efficiently with an eye on a championship and long-term stability.

Don't forget, Tambellini was involved in creating some of this in Vancouver, so he deserves a modicum of credit for that and the improvements shown in the AHL squad.

Tambellini was mainly a PR guy during his time in Vancouver.

Burke and Nonis made the hockey decisions and the Moose had their own management team.

When faced with new ownership needing a new direction, Tambellini got punted at the first opportunity.

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#39 DSF
October 07 2012, 07:29PM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

Speaking of centre depth, lets consider that of the canucks. After Kesler they have Sedin who, at 32 is approaching the downside of his career. Malhotra, same thing. Lapierre, 3rd liner at best. Ebbet, 4th liner. Gaunce, nothing but a prospect. I thought that the canucks window of opportunity with this roster was closing but really, with this season likely toast, the window is shut with the lack of center depth they have. But I forgot, they will probably trade Luongo for Malkin and win 4 straight cups.

Put down the crack pipe man.

You seem to be under the impression that the only way way to acquire players is through the draft and that Gillis will sit on his hands while his team dodders off into the sunset.

Let's tale a peek at how the Stanley Cup champions acquired their centres.

Kopitar...drafted.

Carter....trade.

Richards...trade

Stoll...trade

Fraser...trade

Lewis...draft

Now, I know Oilers fans have become addicted to the draft since their management team is demonstrably incompetent while acquiring players any other way but that doesn't mean every other team in the league is so blessed.

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#40 TonyT
October 07 2012, 08:34PM
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You seem to be under the impression that the only way way to acquire players is through the draft and that Gillis will sit on his hands while his team dodders off into the sunset.

Let's tale a peek at how the Stanley Cup champions acquired their centres.

Kopitar...drafted.

Carter....trade.

Richards...trade

Stoll...trade

Fraser...trade

Lewis...draft

Now, I know Oilers fans have become addicted to the draft since their management team is demonstrably incompetent while acquiring players any other way but that doesn't mean every other team in the league is so blessed.

Why the shot at Oiler fans? You seem to be under the impression that Tambellini jersey's are prominent around the city. While it pains me to see Tambellini "manage" this team, he is the general manager. And until Daryl Katz focuses on the on-ice team instead of continuing public feuds with city councillors, we as Oiler fans have little recourse but to accept the current management structure...

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#41 DSF
October 07 2012, 09:01PM
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Why the shot at Oiler fans? You seem to be under the impression that Tambellini jersey's are prominent around the city. While it pains me to see Tambellini "manage" this team, he is the general manager. And until Daryl Katz focuses on the on-ice team instead of continuing public feuds with city councillors, we as Oiler fans have little recourse but to accept the current management structure...

Not a shot.

But the conventional wisdom is the only way to build a hockey team is through the draft.

While the draft is important...it's just the start.

The hard work comes next.

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#42 David S
October 07 2012, 11:53PM
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book¡e wrote:

Your use of commas is as close to tragic as anything I have ever witnessed. You should probably just never use them again to spare humanity from more of what you just did.

WIN

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#43 David S
October 08 2012, 12:25AM
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Why wouldn't Kiprusoff just retire. His contract only pays him $1 million cash in the final year and that is before any potential rollback. From some reports he is quite fond of Calgary and while the desire to win a championship may be strong, he may be just as likely to decide to quit rather than spend half a season or so in another city playing for peanuts.

The chips Calgary had to kickstart a rebuild were wasted at last year's deadline. They could have moved at least two if not three expiring UFAs and gotten some picks. Instead Feaster has traded away two 2nd round picks and two 5th round picks in his two-and-change seasons as GM. He traded down in June and managed to recoup a pick that he had to throw away in order to overpay a problem to go away.

I'd take Tambellini over Feaster every day of the week. They can't kick-start a rebuild in Calgary because their owner can't see the forest for the trees and even if he could that ship has sailed. Now, I'm all out of metaphors and cliches for the evening so I bid you all a good night!

;-)

The term "rebuild" is used pretty liberally these days. Your team sucks? REBUILD™!

How about clearing out some deadwood and swapping a few key pieces? I know jack about Feaster, but perhaps his management team thinks this is what they need to do. Like DSF says (and it pains me to say that), a few key moves and they could be back in business. Maybe not cup contenders, but a solid playoff team. That's the first step after all.

Fans in Edmonton seem to have really bought into the idea that it's cup or nothing. Contending here means "no worse than the cup finals". Problem is, you have to be in the playoffs to make the cup. Good teams are in the playoffs regularly. Only great teams "contend". And let's face it, we are a LOOOOONG way from being a great team. You're kidding yourselves if you think our D, keeping guys like Hordichuk and Eager around and Dubnyk as your starter gets the job done.

I'd be happy with a team that regularly plays in the post season. After that it's really a crapshoot unless you have a clearly dominant team like LA had this year.

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#44 DSF
October 08 2012, 07:58AM
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The term "rebuild" is used pretty liberally these days. Your team sucks? REBUILD™!

How about clearing out some deadwood and swapping a few key pieces? I know jack about Feaster, but perhaps his management team thinks this is what they need to do. Like DSF says (and it pains me to say that), a few key moves and they could be back in business. Maybe not cup contenders, but a solid playoff team. That's the first step after all.

Fans in Edmonton seem to have really bought into the idea that it's cup or nothing. Contending here means "no worse than the cup finals". Problem is, you have to be in the playoffs to make the cup. Good teams are in the playoffs regularly. Only great teams "contend". And let's face it, we are a LOOOOONG way from being a great team. You're kidding yourselves if you think our D, keeping guys like Hordichuk and Eager around and Dubnyk as your starter gets the job done.

I'd be happy with a team that regularly plays in the post season. After that it's really a crapshoot unless you have a clearly dominant team like LA had this year.

Excellent post.

Winning the cup is very hard...it's why we no longer see dynasties even among the most powerful teams.

It's also why the notion that you need years to rebuild is flawed.

For sure, you need some high end prospects to kick start the process but loading up on scoring wingers while failing to address urgent team needs in other areas won't work unless you're prepared to use some of those acquired pieces to fill other needs.

Lombardi started doing that in LA very soon after taking over, shipping out players who weren't going to be part of the plan....O'Sullivan, Visnovsky, Simmonds, Schenn, Jack Johnson.

So, tell me why Hemsky and Gagner are still Oilers?

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October 08 2012, 08:00AM
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Why wouldn't Kiprusoff just retire. His contract only pays him $1 million cash in the final year and that is before any potential rollback. From some reports he is quite fond of Calgary and while the desire to win a championship may be strong, he may be just as likely to decide to quit rather than spend half a season or so in another city playing for peanuts.

The chips Calgary had to kickstart a rebuild were wasted at last year's deadline. They could have moved at least two if not three expiring UFAs and gotten some picks. Instead Feaster has traded away two 2nd round picks and two 5th round picks in his two-and-change seasons as GM. He traded down in June and managed to recoup a pick that he had to throw away in order to overpay a problem to go away.

I'd take Tambellini over Feaster every day of the week. They can't kick-start a rebuild in Calgary because their owner can't see the forest for the trees and even if he could that ship has sailed. Now, I'm all out of metaphors and cliches for the evening so I bid you all a good night!

;-)

I agree that Feaster should already have moved Iginla and Kiprusoff but that doesn't mean he won't get some useful picks or prospects at the trade deadline if he decides to pull the trigger.

Teams desperate to make the playoffs or who think they need a piece to 2 to win it all could easily end a first round pick or prospect to seal the deal.

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#46 DSF
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Even though LA almost missed the playoffs...

And that's AFTER a rebuild.

Kind of makes David's point.

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#47 Kodiak
October 08 2012, 08:22AM
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DSF wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that the only way way to acquire players is through the draft and that Gillis will sit on his hands while his team dodders off into the sunset.

Let's tale a peek at how the Stanley Cup champions acquired their centres.

Kopitar...drafted.

Carter....trade.

Richards...trade

Stoll...trade

Fraser...trade

Lewis...draft

Now, I know Oilers fans have become addicted to the draft since their management team is demonstrably incompetent while acquiring players any other way but that doesn't mean every other team in the league is so blessed.

So what did LA trade to acquire those players, magic beans? Most of hose trades involved drafted prospects.

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#48 DSF
October 08 2012, 08:36AM
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So what did LA trade to acquire those players, magic beans? Most of hose trades involved drafted prospects.

Nope.

Jeff Carter was acquired in a trade that sent Jack Johnson the other way. Johnson was acquired in a trade.

Stoll was acquired in the a trade that sent Visnovsky the other way.

The only one of the group that was acquired for young players the Kings drafted was Richards for Schenn and Simmonds.

That would be like trading Yakupov and Gagner to acquire a veteran player.

Do you think Tambellinni has the stones?

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October 08 2012, 08:45AM
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And what exactly will the Canucks trade to fill all these holes that are coming?

And if you think one or two trades will put the Flames back on the road to contention, you're as dense as Feaster.

Face it. The Oilers are coming up. The Canucks, not so much. I won't even bring up the Flames.

The Northwest will be the battle ground for the Oiler, Wild, and Avalanche for the forseeable furure.

Book it.

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#50 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 08:58AM
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And that's AFTER a rebuild.

Kind of makes David's point.

Not really. They nearly missed the playoffs. They had a dominant playoff run but the regular season was mediocre, especially given preseason expectations. They were near the bottom of the league in offense -- amazing goalie bailed them out throughout the season. Hardly the sign of a dominant team.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

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