CATCHING UP WITH THE KIDS

Lowetide
October 07 2012 10:49AM

The season for hockey is well underway; for Oiler fans, following the gifted kids across the globe can be frustrating and time consuming. Fortunately, the "player pages" are now up and offer us a handy guide to their progress.

THE KIDS

  1. Oscar Klefbom is impressing everyone with his defensive play. Getting good reviews too, this article from yesterday says Klefbom "played sharply and with a poise that is lovely to behold, best back today."
  2. Nail Yakupov is off to a crazy start, 3 goals in 4 games.
  3. Mitch Moroz has 3 points in 6 games, well ahead of previous numbers.
  4. Jujhar Khaira's page has a photo his parents will like and not a lot else.
  5. Daniil Zharkov is about where we'd expect him to be in terms of points.
  6. Erik Gustafsson is in the 2-Swedish league and playing well.
  7. Joey Laleggia has an impressive home page.
  8. John McCarron gives us a chance to visit the glory days of Riley Nash.
  9. David Musil is enjoying an outstanding start to the season.
  10. Samu Perhonen is playing in the 2-Finland League but getting good results.
  11. Travis Ewanyk is getting results and observers are impressed by his play this season.
  12. Dillon Simpson's homepage is very nice, probably the best in the group.
  13. Tobias Rieder is on an exceptional line in Kitchener and should post enormous numbers.
  14. Martin Gernat has a page but it won't be getting many click throughs for awhile.
  15. Frans Tuohimaa is struggling in two leagues so far this season.
  16. Kellen Jones page hasn't been updated yet.
  17. Kyle Bigos page should get some hits, something tells me the Oilers will be reporting on him a lot.

UP NEXT: OKC

Photo courtesy of Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved.

The OKC Barons don't have their player bio pages up yet, but I'll pass them along when the go up. So far in pre-season for the Barons, Ryan Martindale has really made some noise. I have no idea if there's room for him, but he's going to force the issue based on his current play.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

This season is up in the air and there's not much fans can do about it. I think the best way to drive this thing is to enjoy what is available to us: the best league in the world doesn't exist, so we move on and watch what we can and enjoy the kids as they progress. In many ways, Oiler fans are the least impacted of the 30 NHL fanbases.

I mean--and not to be a jerk--what does another year or two do to the Flames roster? Some of those guys are approaching their pensions as it is. For the Oilers, a season in which the kids play well at the highest available level is a solid compromise.

And as fans, that means finding out about Quinnipiac, Merrimack, Neftekhimik, Farjestad and Belleville. So far, the progress shown by Nail, Oscar and another Ryan is something to get excited about for OilersNation.

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#51 DSF
October 08 2012, 09:22AM
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loosemoose wrote:

And what exactly will the Canucks trade to fill all these holes that are coming?

And if you think one or two trades will put the Flames back on the road to contention, you're as dense as Feaster.

Face it. The Oilers are coming up. The Canucks, not so much. I won't even bring up the Flames.

The Northwest will be the battle ground for the Oiler, Wild, and Avalanche for the forseeable furure.

Book it.

See...there you are being myopic again.

The Sedins have only this season and next left on their contracts. (brilliant work by Gillis)

Once those contracts are done, Gillis has almost $13 million in extra cap space to work with.

Since Vancouver has no problems attracting free agents, Gillis will then have a great deal of flexibility in deciding how to move forward.

I can see him signing the Sedins at a lower rate to play second line minutes and signing a couple of free agents to play top line minutes.

Your suggestion that the Oilers are in a better place than Vancouver is just hilarious.

The Canucks have one of the best young goaltenders in the league and another young stud in Eddie Lack on the way.

The Oilers have a below average starter and a washed up hack.

They have a defense that is just entering its prime with Hamhuis (29), Bieksa, (31) Edler (26) Garrison (27) Ballard (29) and two young studs in Tanev (22) and Connauton (22) on their way up.

The Oilers counter with the remains of Ryan Whitney (29) Nick Schultz (30) Smid (26) Jeff Petry (24) Andy Sutton (37) Justin Shultz (22) and some nice prospects.

Even if J. Shultz and a couple of prospects turn out according to projections, the Oiler defense still has a couple of gaping holes.

While the Oilers have a promising top 6, they also have gaping holes at forward.

They need a more productive #2C, a #3C to replace a declining Horcoff (34) and are going to have to upgrade on Smyth (36) Belanger (34) Hordichuk (32) Eager (28) and Hemsky unless he can turn his game around.

That's an awful lot of holes to fill before the Oilers even become competitive never mind be contenders.

The NW will be a battle ground between the Canucks and the Wild while the other 3 teams struggle to make the playoffs.

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#52 DSF
October 08 2012, 09:24AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Not really. They nearly missed the playoffs. They had a dominant playoff run but the regular season was mediocre, especially given preseason expectations. They were near the bottom of the league in offense -- amazing goalie bailed them out throughout the season. Hardly the sign of a dominant team.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

You might want to check out what the acquisition of Jeff Carter meant to the team after the trade deadline. Their scoring rate went up by more than 1 GPG since the opposition could no longer key on the Kopitar line exclusively.

Trust me, they are a dominant team and will be for years.

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#53 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 09:27AM
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DSF wrote:

You seem to be under the impression that the only way way to acquire players is through the draft and that Gillis will sit on his hands while his team dodders off into the sunset.

Let's tale a peek at how the Stanley Cup champions acquired their centres.

Kopitar...drafted.

Carter....trade.

Richards...trade

Stoll...trade

Fraser...trade

Lewis...draft

Now, I know Oilers fans have become addicted to the draft since their management team is demonstrably incompetent while acquiring players any other way but that doesn't mean every other team in the league is so blessed.

Oilers management has been poor. However, you are not showing the importance of drafting for winning teams. Take LA for example -- you chose to show how the centers were obtained. If you look at the bigger picture, the most important players were all drafted (Kopitar, Doughty, Quick).

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#54 DSF
October 08 2012, 09:35AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Oilers management has been poor. However, you are not showing the importance of drafting for winning teams. Take LA for example -- you chose to show how the centers were obtained. If you look at the bigger picture, the most important players were all drafted (Kopitar, Doughty, Quick).

I don't disagree...but, in LA, as in Edmonton, that's only the starting point.

You'll notice that the Kings foundation was built from the goalie out and down the middle while the Oilers have a bunch of scoring wingers.

The Oilers, to be contenders, need to find 3 quality centres, 2 top pairing defensemen and an above average goaltender.

They have no high end centre prospects, they will have to count on Klefbom and one of the other defensemen drafted to exceed expectations and hope that Dubnyk, Bunz or Roy turn out better than they're currently showing just to be competitive.

That's an awful lot of wishing and hoping.

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#55 loosemoose
October 08 2012, 10:02AM
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DSF wrote:

See...there you are being myopic again.

The Sedins have only this season and next left on their contracts. (brilliant work by Gillis)

Once those contracts are done, Gillis has almost $13 million in extra cap space to work with.

Since Vancouver has no problems attracting free agents, Gillis will then have a great deal of flexibility in deciding how to move forward.

I can see him signing the Sedins at a lower rate to play second line minutes and signing a couple of free agents to play top line minutes.

Your suggestion that the Oilers are in a better place than Vancouver is just hilarious.

The Canucks have one of the best young goaltenders in the league and another young stud in Eddie Lack on the way.

The Oilers have a below average starter and a washed up hack.

They have a defense that is just entering its prime with Hamhuis (29), Bieksa, (31) Edler (26) Garrison (27) Ballard (29) and two young studs in Tanev (22) and Connauton (22) on their way up.

The Oilers counter with the remains of Ryan Whitney (29) Nick Schultz (30) Smid (26) Jeff Petry (24) Andy Sutton (37) Justin Shultz (22) and some nice prospects.

Even if J. Shultz and a couple of prospects turn out according to projections, the Oiler defense still has a couple of gaping holes.

While the Oilers have a promising top 6, they also have gaping holes at forward.

They need a more productive #2C, a #3C to replace a declining Horcoff (34) and are going to have to upgrade on Smyth (36) Belanger (34) Hordichuk (32) Eager (28) and Hemsky unless he can turn his game around.

That's an awful lot of holes to fill before the Oilers even become competitive never mind be contenders.

The NW will be a battle ground between the Canucks and the Wild while the other 3 teams struggle to make the playoffs.

The Sedin contracts are brillant, I'll give you that. But the 13 million in cap space is a non-starter. The Sedins, if resigned, will eat up most of that.

I can't see the Twins taking a huge pay cut and playing second line minutes in just two years.

And I guess finding two-three first line free agents is pretty easy to do. I mean, Shane Doan was running for his shot st the Cup on the coast, right?

Eddie Lack is tracking well, but so are Roy AND Bunz. Two is better than one, my pappy aways said:)

And this defence of 2 and 3's is okay. Not getting any younger. And Tanev and Connau-who? are studs???? That's rich.

You said "If J Schultz and a couple of propects turn out, the defence still has a couple of gaping holes."

If that happens, the Oilers defence will be set for years and will be infinitley better than the Canucks defence right now. Get your facts straight man.

Gagner is a 45 point second line cenetr. That's not elite, but nothing to sneeze at.

RNH is a 100 point center. IMO, of course, but I have much faith the Nuge will prove me right.

I'm pretty sure we can find NHL caliber players in 1-2 years to fill the depth roles. That is, if they haven't been filled by draft picks like Lander, Hartikanen, Pitlick, Hamilton already.

Might be enough in that prospect pool for a trade or two. You said yourself, a couple of shrewd moves, ala LA Kings, and bammo!

Face it D.....

Oiler getting better.

Canucks. Not.

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#56 DSF
October 08 2012, 10:15AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

I love how all the Canucks prospects are "studs" while the Oilers prospects don't rate with you. The Canucks prospect pool is garbage. Colorado and Edmonton have quality prospects.

I also find it comical that you think the Sedins will sign lower contracts and be willing to play second line minutes. I'm sure their agent will have a different opinion, too.

And your future plan has not accounted for Luongo's albatross contract.

Well, I see the point has gone completely over your head.

Obviously the Canucks' "prospect pool" is not as deep as the Oilers since they have been drafting much lower for years but, as I've demonstrated the draft is not the only way to acquire NHL players.

None of us knows what the Sedins' future is...they may retire and return to Sweden but, in any case, Gillis will have a lot of flexibility to either re-sign them or replace them via free agency or trade.

Having "quality prospects" like the Oilers and Colorado means jack squat if you have a GM that isn't able to fill out the roster with quality players.

The Islanders, Thrashers and Panthers loaded up on "quality prospects" for years and were still horrible because their management was incompetent.

Not until Tallon took over in Florida did that organization take a leap forward and I expect it will require a new management team in Edmonton before any significant success is achieved.

Luongo's "albatross contract" will be gone as soon as the season starts so I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist about that.

Heard from an NHL insider on Friday that there are 5 teams in the Luongo sweepstakes...Florida, Chicago, Toronto one other and....Edmonton.

Wouldn't that be something?

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#57 DSF
October 08 2012, 10:23AM
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John Chambers wrote:

I said to my cousins in BC two years ago: enjoy the next three seasons because that's the window for the Canucks. Two Presidents trophies and a SCF appearance later and the 'Nucks are a full season lockout away from a San Jose-style lengthy decline.

Anybody who doesn't think that aging teams like the Flames or Canucks will be worse off when hockey resumes is in denial.

Anyone who thinks Gillis will fiddle while Rome burns doesn't know much about hockey.

By the way, the average age of the Canucks is 27.9

The average age of the Edmonton Oilers is 27.2

The Devils are the oldest at 29.3.

The Avalanche and Maple Leafs are the youngest at 26.1

The 5 oldest teams made the playoffs and the 5 youngest teams missed the playoffs.

8 of the 10 oldest teams made the playoffs while 8 of the 10 youngest teams missed the playoffs.

It would appear that youth is wasted on the young. :)

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#58 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 10:25AM
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DSF wrote:

Well, I see the point has gone completely over your head.

Obviously the Canucks' "prospect pool" is not as deep as the Oilers since they have been drafting much lower for years but, as I've demonstrated the draft is not the only way to acquire NHL players.

None of us knows what the Sedins' future is...they may retire and return to Sweden but, in any case, Gillis will have a lot of flexibility to either re-sign them or replace them via free agency or trade.

Having "quality prospects" like the Oilers and Colorado means jack squat if you have a GM that isn't able to fill out the roster with quality players.

The Islanders, Thrashers and Panthers loaded up on "quality prospects" for years and were still horrible because their management was incompetent.

Not until Tallon took over in Florida did that organization take a leap forward and I expect it will require a new management team in Edmonton before any significant success is achieved.

Luongo's "albatross contract" will be gone as soon as the season starts so I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist about that.

Heard from an NHL insider on Friday that there are 5 teams in the Luongo sweepstakes...Florida, Chicago, Toronto one other and....Edmonton.

Wouldn't that be something?

I don't think Tambellini would be dumb enough to take on Lu's contract. But that is probably giving Tambi too much credit.

I think Luongo starts the season (if there is one) in Van and the Canucks will wait until another team needs some help.

The player is decent; his contract IS an albatross.

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#59 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 10:25AM
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DSF wrote:

Well, I see the point has gone completely over your head.

Obviously the Canucks' "prospect pool" is not as deep as the Oilers since they have been drafting much lower for years but, as I've demonstrated the draft is not the only way to acquire NHL players.

None of us knows what the Sedins' future is...they may retire and return to Sweden but, in any case, Gillis will have a lot of flexibility to either re-sign them or replace them via free agency or trade.

Having "quality prospects" like the Oilers and Colorado means jack squat if you have a GM that isn't able to fill out the roster with quality players.

The Islanders, Thrashers and Panthers loaded up on "quality prospects" for years and were still horrible because their management was incompetent.

Not until Tallon took over in Florida did that organization take a leap forward and I expect it will require a new management team in Edmonton before any significant success is achieved.

Luongo's "albatross contract" will be gone as soon as the season starts so I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist about that.

Heard from an NHL insider on Friday that there are 5 teams in the Luongo sweepstakes...Florida, Chicago, Toronto one other and....Edmonton.

Wouldn't that be something?

I don't think Tambellini would be dumb enough to take on Lu's contract. But that is probably giving Tambi too much credit.

I think Luongo starts the season (if there is one) in Van and the Canucks will wait until another team needs some help.

The player is decent; his contract IS an albatross.

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#60 John Chambers
October 08 2012, 10:42AM
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@DSF

I suppose the difference being one team's best players are on the right side of 25 (or 23!), while the other team's core is over 30 and will inevitably begin to trend downward.

Sutton, Khabibulin, and even Horcoff will soon play out their contracts and money will become available to surround the new core. If you wager that the Sedins' best season is still ahead of them, that's a bet I'll gladly make with you.

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#61 loosemoose
October 08 2012, 10:52AM
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book¡e wrote:

You know what I bet DSF hates. I bet he hates it when people get all upset and respond to his posts in a somewhat exasperated way. He probably abhors the fact that he frustrates you with his quasi-logic. I am sure that he doesn't intentionally use arguments that are 70% logic mixed with 30% overreaching idiocy simply to screw with you.

I admit, I am equally amazed by his ability to goat so many people into responding as I am confused by the amount of time he spends doing it.

It's kind of like playing Farmville or something. You just keep going and going, but never really achieve anything.

You know what I hate?

No NHL hockey.

Goading DSF to spew out a bunch of pro-Canuck hogwash gives me a chuckle. And something to read.

I love how riled up people get. I have a smirk the whole time I read and write on this site. All in good fun.

And its a little naive to think anything will be achieved on a hockey fan blog, regardless of the merit of the conversation:)

And ironically, your post was full of quasi-logic and goaded me into reponding! Now you're doing it too!!!!

That DSF is gooooood.......

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#62 DSF
October 08 2012, 11:17AM
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loosemoose wrote:

The Sedin contracts are brillant, I'll give you that. But the 13 million in cap space is a non-starter. The Sedins, if resigned, will eat up most of that.

I can't see the Twins taking a huge pay cut and playing second line minutes in just two years.

And I guess finding two-three first line free agents is pretty easy to do. I mean, Shane Doan was running for his shot st the Cup on the coast, right?

Eddie Lack is tracking well, but so are Roy AND Bunz. Two is better than one, my pappy aways said:)

And this defence of 2 and 3's is okay. Not getting any younger. And Tanev and Connau-who? are studs???? That's rich.

You said "If J Schultz and a couple of propects turn out, the defence still has a couple of gaping holes."

If that happens, the Oilers defence will be set for years and will be infinitley better than the Canucks defence right now. Get your facts straight man.

Gagner is a 45 point second line cenetr. That's not elite, but nothing to sneeze at.

RNH is a 100 point center. IMO, of course, but I have much faith the Nuge will prove me right.

I'm pretty sure we can find NHL caliber players in 1-2 years to fill the depth roles. That is, if they haven't been filled by draft picks like Lander, Hartikanen, Pitlick, Hamilton already.

Might be enough in that prospect pool for a trade or two. You said yourself, a couple of shrewd moves, ala LA Kings, and bammo!

Face it D.....

Oiler getting better.

Canucks. Not.

1) I would think the Sedins next contracts (if they re-sign) will be based on performance and will be short term. That's exactly the way it should be. None of us knows what that performance will be but, if they are still more than PPG players, that's not a horrible problem to have.

2) Finding top 6 players, especially wingers is not all that difficult if you have a winning culture and an attractive city. Nash, Richards, Richards, Carter, Parise, Kovalchuk, Neal, Hossa, and Whitney are just some of the high end forwards that have changed teams in the last couple of years.

Doan always wanted to stay in Phoenix and and was very upfront about that but, had he not been convinced to stay, Vancouver was his second choice.

3) Eddie Lack is well ahead of both Bunz and Roy in both development and demonstrated ability.

Vancouver also has Joe Cannatta playing NCAA hockey where he was a Hobey Baker finalist and defensive player of the week several times over the past couple of seasons.

4) Vancouver's defense is hardly old. They have 1 defenseman over the age of 30.

The Oilers have 3 defensemen who will be 30 this season. Not getting any younger?

5) None of Klefbom, Shultz, Marincin, Musil, Gernat or Teubert projects to be better than Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison or Edler so suggesting the Oilers D will be "infinitely better" is just hilarious.

Tanev already has 54 NHL games on his resume and is only 22.

Connauton was an AHL all star last season (won the hardest shot competition) and scored 33 points in the AHL last season.

Adam Polasek is also another very promising young D who scored 80 points over the last two seasons with PEI in the Q.

While I think Schultz, Klefbom, Marincin and Musil are a very nice bunch of prospects, they are likely at least a couple of years away from being impact players in the NHL and no one knows what their ceiling is.

6) If Gagner is your second line centre and he is up against Kesler, Richards, Granlund, Kane, O'Reilly, Berglund, Couture, Filpula, Fischer and Hanzal, kiss your ass goodbye. He's not in that league....not even close.

And then, of course, you also have to replace the old men, Horcoff (34) and Belanger (34) before you can get anywhere.

Who are their replacements?

Lombardi didn't make a "couple of shrewd moves" he made many over the course of several seasons.

He was hired in 2006 and immediately began purging veterans and collecting either draft choices or young players.

That team included only 2 players, Kopitar and Brown, who were on the roster of the cup winning team.

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#63 DSF
October 08 2012, 11:34AM
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John Chambers wrote:

I suppose the difference being one team's best players are on the right side of 25 (or 23!), while the other team's core is over 30 and will inevitably begin to trend downward.

Sutton, Khabibulin, and even Horcoff will soon play out their contracts and money will become available to surround the new core. If you wager that the Sedins' best season is still ahead of them, that's a bet I'll gladly make with you.

One team's best players could change dramatically over the next two or three seasons so it's kind of silly to count on it.

While waiting for those contracts to expire, so will the Sedins and Gillis will have ample opportunity to replace them, or not.

I wouldn't expect their best seasons are ahead of them but remember, just two seasons ago the Kings' forwards included Smyth, Frolov, Handzus, Calder and Simmonds.

Things can change very quickly and can change for the better with a smart GM.

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#64 DSF
October 08 2012, 11:38AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

I don't think Tambellini would be dumb enough to take on Lu's contract. But that is probably giving Tambi too much credit.

I think Luongo starts the season (if there is one) in Van and the Canucks will wait until another team needs some help.

The player is decent; his contract IS an albatross.

Khabibulin was signed to a four year contract on Tambellini's watch and it was only a year ago he was calling him the team MVP. Enough said.

People forget Luongo's contract has out clauses in it and only pays real money for 6 more years.

The cap hit is no issue.

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#65 GVBlackhawk
October 08 2012, 11:53AM
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DSF wrote:

Khabibulin was signed to a four year contract on Tambellini's watch and it was only a year ago he was calling him the team MVP. Enough said.

People forget Luongo's contract has out clauses in it and only pays real money for 6 more years.

The cap hit is no issue.

5.33 million dollar per year cap hit until 2022. Only pays real money until he is 40 years old.

Great contract -- no issues there at all.

/facepalm

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#66 DSF
October 08 2012, 11:59AM
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loosemoose wrote:

You know what I hate?

No NHL hockey.

Goading DSF to spew out a bunch of pro-Canuck hogwash gives me a chuckle. And something to read.

I love how riled up people get. I have a smirk the whole time I read and write on this site. All in good fun.

And its a little naive to think anything will be achieved on a hockey fan blog, regardless of the merit of the conversation:)

And ironically, your post was full of quasi-logic and goaded me into reponding! Now you're doing it too!!!!

That DSF is gooooood.......

I think we should also take a look at the Blues.

That's a team that's poised to be a contender for a long time.

After finishing with 109 points last season, they are adding Tarasenko, Ty Rattie and Jaden Schwartz (3 elite forward prospects) to their roster.

Considering they were the best defensive team in the NHL last season, they could soon be challenging for best in the west consistently.

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#67 DSF
October 08 2012, 12:02PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

5.33 million dollar per year cap hit until 2022. Only pays real money until he is 40 years old.

Great contract -- no issues there at all.

/facepalm

Another contract designed with a tail on it...he won't be playing that long and could easily be bought out in 6 years when he's 38.

And, of course, you're ignoring the out clauses in the contract.

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#68 loosemoose
October 08 2012, 01:09PM
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DSF wrote:

1) I would think the Sedins next contracts (if they re-sign) will be based on performance and will be short term. That's exactly the way it should be. None of us knows what that performance will be but, if they are still more than PPG players, that's not a horrible problem to have.

2) Finding top 6 players, especially wingers is not all that difficult if you have a winning culture and an attractive city. Nash, Richards, Richards, Carter, Parise, Kovalchuk, Neal, Hossa, and Whitney are just some of the high end forwards that have changed teams in the last couple of years.

Doan always wanted to stay in Phoenix and and was very upfront about that but, had he not been convinced to stay, Vancouver was his second choice.

3) Eddie Lack is well ahead of both Bunz and Roy in both development and demonstrated ability.

Vancouver also has Joe Cannatta playing NCAA hockey where he was a Hobey Baker finalist and defensive player of the week several times over the past couple of seasons.

4) Vancouver's defense is hardly old. They have 1 defenseman over the age of 30.

The Oilers have 3 defensemen who will be 30 this season. Not getting any younger?

5) None of Klefbom, Shultz, Marincin, Musil, Gernat or Teubert projects to be better than Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison or Edler so suggesting the Oilers D will be "infinitely better" is just hilarious.

Tanev already has 54 NHL games on his resume and is only 22.

Connauton was an AHL all star last season (won the hardest shot competition) and scored 33 points in the AHL last season.

Adam Polasek is also another very promising young D who scored 80 points over the last two seasons with PEI in the Q.

While I think Schultz, Klefbom, Marincin and Musil are a very nice bunch of prospects, they are likely at least a couple of years away from being impact players in the NHL and no one knows what their ceiling is.

6) If Gagner is your second line centre and he is up against Kesler, Richards, Granlund, Kane, O'Reilly, Berglund, Couture, Filpula, Fischer and Hanzal, kiss your ass goodbye. He's not in that league....not even close.

And then, of course, you also have to replace the old men, Horcoff (34) and Belanger (34) before you can get anywhere.

Who are their replacements?

Lombardi didn't make a "couple of shrewd moves" he made many over the course of several seasons.

He was hired in 2006 and immediately began purging veterans and collecting either draft choices or young players.

That team included only 2 players, Kopitar and Brown, who were on the roster of the cup winning team.

1)These Sedin contracts you speak of will be watershed moments for that franchise. If they are still PPG players, how big of a paycut will they take? As big as the last one? Not likely. And if they don't resign them, how exactly do you replace Art Ross and Hart trophy winners in one year?

Guess what? You don't. So that 13 million in cap space. Poof! gone.

2)You're right. FA change cities all the time. Who was the last big profile free agent that signed in Vancouver? Mats Sundin? Swing and a miss.

3)Eddie Lack was tracking no better than Roy or Bunz at their ages. He should be ahead of them right now. He's older.

4)I never said they were old. Just said they weren't getting any younger. Tanev is a solid prospect, but translates into a second pairing dman AT BEST. He is the brightest spot in that prospect pool. J Schultz, Klefbom and Musil project top 4. Not to mention Teubert, Marincin, Plante, Gernat.

Oilers seem to have a better mix of youth and experience. Sorry bud. Those are numbers. Can't argue those.

5)Klefbom, J Schultz and Musil all project to be just as good or better than Hamuis, Edler and Bieska. Look at a propect site. I know you can read.

And I think you meant to type Plante when you said AHL Allstar and 30+ point defenceman.

Conna-who indeed.

6)You don't like Gagner??? Only 22, consistent 40-45 points, 4 years experience???

Huh. Funny. He tracks better than a lot of those guys you mentioned. I guess we'll wait and see.......

Lombardi fumbled his way to a Cup. Don't get me wrong, I really like LA and the way he works. I am a fan of the aggressive GM, but he wasted numerous draft picks, signed a few bust free agents, and fell bass ackwards into Quick(wasn't he keeping the seat warm for Bernier?).

A desperate coaching change(those never signal a GM in trouble...) and season long out of body experience from Quick saved his bacon. Look it up. NHL numbers.com

You might as well have put a picture of Swiss cheese up, that post has so many hole in it......

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October 08 2012, 01:14PM
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There's something we can agree on.

St. Louis will be banging their way to Central division crowns for a while.

Love the way that team is set up: Bangers with skill like Oshie, Stewart, Backes and then some finesse with Perron and McDonald.

Peitroangelo(sp?) will singlehandely keep that backend afloat, with a little help from Shattenkirk, Pollack, and Jackman....

Halak's no slouch either...

The West is shaping up to be bitch of a road to the promised land:)

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#70 DSF
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1)These Sedin contracts you speak of will be watershed moments for that franchise. If they are still PPG players, how big of a paycut will they take? As big as the last one? Not likely. And if they don't resign them, how exactly do you replace Art Ross and Hart trophy winners in one year?

Guess what? You don't. So that 13 million in cap space. Poof! gone.

2)You're right. FA change cities all the time. Who was the last big profile free agent that signed in Vancouver? Mats Sundin? Swing and a miss.

3)Eddie Lack was tracking no better than Roy or Bunz at their ages. He should be ahead of them right now. He's older.

4)I never said they were old. Just said they weren't getting any younger. Tanev is a solid prospect, but translates into a second pairing dman AT BEST. He is the brightest spot in that prospect pool. J Schultz, Klefbom and Musil project top 4. Not to mention Teubert, Marincin, Plante, Gernat.

Oilers seem to have a better mix of youth and experience. Sorry bud. Those are numbers. Can't argue those.

5)Klefbom, J Schultz and Musil all project to be just as good or better than Hamuis, Edler and Bieska. Look at a propect site. I know you can read.

And I think you meant to type Plante when you said AHL Allstar and 30+ point defenceman.

Conna-who indeed.

6)You don't like Gagner??? Only 22, consistent 40-45 points, 4 years experience???

Huh. Funny. He tracks better than a lot of those guys you mentioned. I guess we'll wait and see.......

Lombardi fumbled his way to a Cup. Don't get me wrong, I really like LA and the way he works. I am a fan of the aggressive GM, but he wasted numerous draft picks, signed a few bust free agents, and fell bass ackwards into Quick(wasn't he keeping the seat warm for Bernier?).

A desperate coaching change(those never signal a GM in trouble...) and season long out of body experience from Quick saved his bacon. Look it up. NHL numbers.com

You might as well have put a picture of Swiss cheese up, that post has so many hole in it......

1) If they are still PPG players they won't have to take a pay cut. They will just be signed to short tern contracts until they aren't.

2) Dan Hamhuis and Jason Garrison both signed in Vancouver, leaving money on the table.

3) My point exactly. He's better now and will likely be for quite some time. Considering Schneider is signficantly better than Dubnyk I don't see how you see this as a win for the Oilers now or in the future.

4) Vancouver doesn't need Tanev or Connauton to be top 4 defensemen. They already have four of them locked up to long term contracts (Edler excepted).

5) That's nonsense. Hamhuis is one of the best shut down D in the league (Mirtle did an analysis putting him at #1...look it up) and Bieksa is one of the best two way D in the league.

Edler just turned 26 and finished 7th in D scoring. He's going to get better.

HF has Klefbom rated 8C...suggesting he MIGHT be a #2D but lots of doubt about that.

Schultz also rated at 8C.

Marincin, Gernat and Musil all ranked 7.5C suggesting second pairing upside.

While that's a nice group, your assertion they will be "infinitely better" than Vancouver's top 4 is just silly.

Connauton...it's a name you'll have to get used to. 13G 33P in thr AHL last season. The OKC Barins top scoring defenseman was Brian Rodney with 6G and 30P and he's a vet while Connauton was 21 during the season.

6) Which players that I mentioned is Gagner "tracking better" than?

7) All teams "waste draft picks"...it's the nature of the beast.

How about this list...

Plante

Nash

Omark

Cogliano

Chorney

Shremp

Pouliot

Jacques.

All teams have ups and downs while building toward a championship...calling Lombardi a bumbler when you have two world class bumblers right in front of you is a just a bit precious.

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loosemoose wrote:

There's something we can agree on.

St. Louis will be banging their way to Central division crowns for a while.

Love the way that team is set up: Bangers with skill like Oshie, Stewart, Backes and then some finesse with Perron and McDonald.

Peitroangelo(sp?) will singlehandely keep that backend afloat, with a little help from Shattenkirk, Pollack, and Jackman....

Halak's no slouch either...

The West is shaping up to be bitch of a road to the promised land:)

Perron, McDonald, Tarasenko, Rattie and Schwartz providing finesse up front and 23 year old Ian Cole also coming to help on D.

Realignment will be the Oilers saving grace but they'll still have to deal with LA, Vancouver, San Jose, Colorado and Phoenix to make the playoffs.

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1) If they are still PPG players they won't have to take a pay cut. They will just be signed to short tern contracts until they aren't.

2) Dan Hamhuis and Jason Garrison both signed in Vancouver, leaving money on the table.

3) My point exactly. He's better now and will likely be for quite some time. Considering Schneider is signficantly better than Dubnyk I don't see how you see this as a win for the Oilers now or in the future.

4) Vancouver doesn't need Tanev or Connauton to be top 4 defensemen. They already have four of them locked up to long term contracts (Edler excepted).

5) That's nonsense. Hamhuis is one of the best shut down D in the league (Mirtle did an analysis putting him at #1...look it up) and Bieksa is one of the best two way D in the league.

Edler just turned 26 and finished 7th in D scoring. He's going to get better.

HF has Klefbom rated 8C...suggesting he MIGHT be a #2D but lots of doubt about that.

Schultz also rated at 8C.

Marincin, Gernat and Musil all ranked 7.5C suggesting second pairing upside.

While that's a nice group, your assertion they will be "infinitely better" than Vancouver's top 4 is just silly.

Connauton...it's a name you'll have to get used to. 13G 33P in thr AHL last season. The OKC Barins top scoring defenseman was Brian Rodney with 6G and 30P and he's a vet while Connauton was 21 during the season.

6) Which players that I mentioned is Gagner "tracking better" than?

7) All teams "waste draft picks"...it's the nature of the beast.

How about this list...

Plante

Nash

Omark

Cogliano

Chorney

Shremp

Pouliot

Jacques.

All teams have ups and downs while building toward a championship...calling Lombardi a bumbler when you have two world class bumblers right in front of you is a just a bit precious.

1)The point is, if they resign, the cap space is moot. If they don't, there is no may they will fill the holes of two players of that caliber, so what's the point of having the money? They very well may fill the holes, eventually, but not in one year.

2)Dan Hamuis was not a high profile free agent. A good signing yes, but definately not high profile. He was third on Nashville's depth chart. Walked on Vancouver as defacto number one. Jason Garrison is not high profile. Again, good signing, but lets stick to the parameters,shall we?

3)Eddie Lack is a prospect. Is he ready for backup duty? Nope. Same as Roy. Roy is younger and projecting higher as of now. Schneider has proved nothing as a starter. Neither has Dubnyk. Let's talk after the season.

4)They're studs, but they don't need them to be top four? If they don't resign Edler, that's a big hole, no? Tanev's going to step right in?

5)Hamuis is a good defenceman. Never said he wasn't. But anyone can go to HF and find stats promoting anyone they want. By some metrics, Dustin Penner is a pretty good shutdown forward. Bieska is good too. So is Edler(best of the bunch, IMO). But to dismiss Whitney(who, if healthy,and I know that's a big if,is as good as any Canuck D) and the progession of Petry, Smid, as well as a capable defender in Schultz is silly. Throw in the prospects,m and that's a winning combonation.

HF can say what they want, Klefbom is playing like a number one in the SEL already, and is only going to get better.

J Schultz is the real deal. Thirty teams would not have wooed him if he wasn't.

Get ready bud. Lockdown is coming.

6)Look at where that list was when they were 18-19. Other than Richards and Kane,, behind Sam. Get with the times.

7)I know all teams waste draft picks. Do I have to list Detroit's draft record?

Lomabrdi was on his last legs in LA. Sutter and Carter saved his a$$. I realize he made those moves, but be real, and look yourself in the mirror. That season was almost bumbled away. If not for Quick.....who knows?

I also never said anything about our bumblers. Not sure what Tambellinni has to do with Lombardi, but whatever.

I'll put my money where my mouth is.

By 14/15 the Edmonton Oilers will be ahead of the Vancouver Canucks in the final standings.

If you win, I'll add - Team DSF-King of Hockey - to my name.

If I win, you have to add - loosmoose was right, again - to yours.

I know it's a while till we find out, but I figure you're a gamer.

What say you?

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1)The point is, if they resign, the cap space is moot. If they don't, there is no may they will fill the holes of two players of that caliber, so what's the point of having the money? They very well may fill the holes, eventually, but not in one year.

2)Dan Hamuis was not a high profile free agent. A good signing yes, but definately not high profile. He was third on Nashville's depth chart. Walked on Vancouver as defacto number one. Jason Garrison is not high profile. Again, good signing, but lets stick to the parameters,shall we?

3)Eddie Lack is a prospect. Is he ready for backup duty? Nope. Same as Roy. Roy is younger and projecting higher as of now. Schneider has proved nothing as a starter. Neither has Dubnyk. Let's talk after the season.

4)They're studs, but they don't need them to be top four? If they don't resign Edler, that's a big hole, no? Tanev's going to step right in?

5)Hamuis is a good defenceman. Never said he wasn't. But anyone can go to HF and find stats promoting anyone they want. By some metrics, Dustin Penner is a pretty good shutdown forward. Bieska is good too. So is Edler(best of the bunch, IMO). But to dismiss Whitney(who, if healthy,and I know that's a big if,is as good as any Canuck D) and the progession of Petry, Smid, as well as a capable defender in Schultz is silly. Throw in the prospects,m and that's a winning combonation.

HF can say what they want, Klefbom is playing like a number one in the SEL already, and is only going to get better.

J Schultz is the real deal. Thirty teams would not have wooed him if he wasn't.

Get ready bud. Lockdown is coming.

6)Look at where that list was when they were 18-19. Other than Richards and Kane,, behind Sam. Get with the times.

7)I know all teams waste draft picks. Do I have to list Detroit's draft record?

Lomabrdi was on his last legs in LA. Sutter and Carter saved his a$$. I realize he made those moves, but be real, and look yourself in the mirror. That season was almost bumbled away. If not for Quick.....who knows?

I also never said anything about our bumblers. Not sure what Tambellinni has to do with Lombardi, but whatever.

I'll put my money where my mouth is.

By 14/15 the Edmonton Oilers will be ahead of the Vancouver Canucks in the final standings.

If you win, I'll add - Team DSF-King of Hockey - to my name.

If I win, you have to add - loosmoose was right, again - to yours.

I know it's a while till we find out, but I figure you're a gamer.

What say you?

That guy does not have the balls to make a bet like that. He talks out if his bum hole. Examples:

1. Sedins will sign short term contracts while they are still top scorers. Then sign lower contracts once their production tapers and value decreases. 2. All the top free agents want to sign in Vancouver. 3. A player like Garrison left money on the table to sign in Vancouver (although they overpaid for him and DSF would not be able to back up the claim of an alternative, higher-paying contract) 4. All of the Canucks prospects are amazing (this is actually comical) while the Oilers prospects are unproven or overrated. 5. Luongo's contract is no big deal because there are "out clauses" (which he cannot specify or source). Teams are lining up to get him...maybe even the Oilers according to 'hockey insider'. 6. Schneider is the next coming of Patrick Roy (although in reality he is only a decent backup who is unproven as a starter in the NHL). St. Corey better have a good psychologist to talk to when the Canucks fans inevitably turn on him.

I could find more...those were just off the top of my head. I thought he was a credible troll, but he's clearly a sad little Canucks fan with nothing better to do.

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October 08 2012, 06:51PM
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And there it is......

Hit the nail on the head.

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October 08 2012, 07:09PM
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Man...you really step up to the plate. :)

3 more years of wait til next year,

You're on.

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That guy does not have the balls to make a bet like that. He talks out if his bum hole. Examples:

1. Sedins will sign short term contracts while they are still top scorers. Then sign lower contracts once their production tapers and value decreases. 2. All the top free agents want to sign in Vancouver. 3. A player like Garrison left money on the table to sign in Vancouver (although they overpaid for him and DSF would not be able to back up the claim of an alternative, higher-paying contract) 4. All of the Canucks prospects are amazing (this is actually comical) while the Oilers prospects are unproven or overrated. 5. Luongo's contract is no big deal because there are "out clauses" (which he cannot specify or source). Teams are lining up to get him...maybe even the Oilers according to 'hockey insider'. 6. Schneider is the next coming of Patrick Roy (although in reality he is only a decent backup who is unproven as a starter in the NHL). St. Corey better have a good psychologist to talk to when the Canucks fans inevitably turn on him.

I could find more...those were just off the top of my head. I thought he was a credible troll, but he's clearly a sad little Canucks fan with nothing better to do.

1) Gillis already signed them short term...they wanted 12 years.

2) No one said that. Bu they haven't had any problems attracting talent.

3) Garrison was the second highest rated defenseman on the table. Suter was #1. The Oilers snagged a college boy.

4) Then Oilers have some very nice prospects...thing is they don't have a very good hockey team.

5) Contract status: Luongo has 10 years remaining on his deal, and is owed $47.28 million. Of that, $40.28 million is owed in the next six years. In seven years, Luongo’s salary drops to $3.38 million. In eight years, it’s $1.618 million There are a couple of interesting clauses in the contract, which have been dubbed out-clauses. Luongo can supply a five-team trade list following the 2013-14 season, valid through July 15, 2014. If he doesn’t provide a list, the team can request a five-team trade list following the final game of 2017-18 season, valid through Sept. 1, 2018.. If Luongo submits a trade list in 2014 and isn’t moved, the team loses its right to request trade list in 2018.

6) Schneider has proven far more than Dubnyk who has been a below average goaltender in the NHL. And. of course, Lack is a far better prospect than either Roy or Bunz

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Wow, Zharkov's numbers are a disappointment. I was hoping for a Reider like season, but so far it ain't looking that way.

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#78 Reg Dunlop
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'Of course Lack is a better prospect than either Roy or Bunz'. The only basis for this statement is the fact he has played more games in a better league. However, using this criteria, Khabbi is a better goalie than either Luongo(1 cup to zero and the fact that he has made more saves in the NHL) or Schneider.

'Dubnyk who has been a below average goaltender in the NHL'. Even the staunchest oil fan admits that the defence iced by the intentionally tanking oil has been of AHL caliber. It is unfair to compare a goalie playing behind Barker to a goalie playing behind Bieksa.

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DSF wrote:

Man...you really step up to the plate. :)

3 more years of wait til next year,

You're on.

Talk is cheap:)

Who says you can't have fun with out the NHL?

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#80 Quicksilver ballet
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I admire your persistence in trying to educate all these guys in the error of their ways DSF. Sometimes it's okay to just leave dumb alone.

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