TALENT SHOW

Lowetide
December 26 2012 09:17AM

This is Nathan MacKinnon, back in Halifax in the Mooseheads dressing room. The talented forward is in Ufa today, part of Team Canada at the WJ's and adding a page to his draft resume. MacKinnon and Seth Jones are generally regarded as the top 2 players for the 2013 draft, and according to several tweets by Bob McKenzie today MacKinnon is the consensus #1.

That's a pretty wide gap, not quite the separation Nail Yakupov enjoyed a year ago but impressive at this point in the year. MacKinnon's role for Canada is as a role player in this tournament, and Jones is a feature player on the American team. MacKinnon's offense is very good for his age (30, 22-30-52) and he's much younger than Jones (342 days by my count) so there's almost a year difference in development despite their being 2013 eligible.

  • Craig Button on MacKinnon: Nathan has a burning desire to make a difference in the game and more times than not, he's successful. His skating is excellent with first step quickness that is exceptional. It allows him to beat defenders and create opportunities in a flash. He has great hands and is able to manoeuvre the puck in the tight areas. His shot is quick and accurate and he doesn't allow goalies to get a read on it. He is forceful and at times may be inclined to shoot first rather than consider passing options, but his playmaking is very good. He's a single-minded player in his approach and his determination, along with his skill, allows him to have an impact the game and to do so at the most important times. A clear cut No. 1 centre.

I don't see a lot of mention about his size (MacKinnon is listed as 5.11, 179) but a growth spurt could take care of any concerns in that area.

ANYTHING ELSE?

McKenzie also tweeted out the scouts top 10 (and more) among the WJ eligibles and it's a deep and interesting list:

  1. C Nathan MacKinnon
  2. D Seth Jones
  3. C Aleksandr Barkov
  4. L Elias Lindholm
  5. L Jonathan Drouin
  6. D Rasmus Ristolainen
  7. L Valeri Nichushkin
  8. C-L Alex Wennberg
  9. C-W Jacob De La Rose
  10. D Linus Arnesson 

McKenzie also mentioned some of the kids I passed along in the tee up to the WJ's, among them American Ryan Hartman, Slovak Marco Dano and Swiss defender Mirco Muller. The list would certainly include the  now recalled D Robert Hagg who is a ranked draft eligible for 2013.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

We talked last week about the large group of draft eligibles at this year's WJs. The McKenzie list gives us a very good idea about the rankings and where some of these kids currently slot. It also tells us the Swedes have a bunch of kids we're not terribly familiar with on this side of the ocean, so we should pay special attention to them.

It's important to remember this is a list of the players who are at the WJ's in Ufa, and does not reflect the overall list for 2013 at this time. Finally, for a team that once employed Risto Siltanen and Reijo Ruotsalainen, how can the Oilers possibly pass up on Rasmus Ristolainen?

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#1 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 26 2012, 09:12PM
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There is no need to get pissy with each other about typos, it's just distracting... usually more so than the initial typo.

And... there is no need to get pissy about who said what when... when it is all easily searchable info.

DSF on Gagner at the Spengler:

Here are the centres on the team,: Spezza Tavares Bergeron Seguin Want to guess which line Sam plays on?

Only two of these guys played pivot.

top two lines:

Spezza-Tavares-Gagner Bergeron-Seguin-Ritchie (sometimes Duchene)

Gagner won't get a sniff of the top line.

Gagner is the 5th best centre on the team. One should assume that Smyth, Williams, Duchene and Seguin will likely get a better look on the wing ahead of Gagner. I'd wager he'll end up as a third line winger.

I have no idea how this giantic team is going to continue through the series, but so far DSF is way off.

Most of these centres are playing wing. Gagner was on the Spezza-Tavares line all night and got lots of PP time there too.

THis was obvious to all with eyes to see as Gagner and Tavares are a natural combo.

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as far as the game goes, couple of notes...

the commentary is terrible. ten minutes in I had a better handle on who the players were than they did.

the canadian coach isn't playing his massive bench very deep.

The shifts are monstrously long and on the big surface, these guys are going to get tired.

The level of competition is solid and the hockey was entertaining.

Seguin was a sparkplug.

Barker somehow didn't fall trying to skate backwards.

ps. here's the closest you'll get to stats on the game that I can find.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/75138/la_id/1/game_id/197894/season_id/197877/ss_id/197926/

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#2 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 27 2012, 05:02PM
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DSF wrote (may28):

How can Tambellini be creative? Every team will offer the same money. Shultz is going to sign where he has the best chance of success. That's not Edmonton. The Leafs highest scoring defenseman last season had 44 points. The Canucks highest scoring defenseman last season had 49 points. The Oilers highest scoring defenseman last season had 25 points. That's a huge gulf.

You're missing the point entirely. Schultz is going to sign a TWO YEAR entry level contract somewhere in hopes of maximizing the value on his second contract. If he wanted to burn off a year with no return, he would have signed and played with Anaheim as soon as the NCAA season ended...but he didn't. Instead, he will likely sign where he is likely to put up the best numbers in the NEXT TWO YEARS. Is that Edmonton? Or is it more likely the Canucks or Leafs? The Oilers scored 212 last season...the Leafs scored 231 and the Canucks scored 249. Hmmmm...this is a tough one :)

goes to the credibility of the witness your honour.

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#3 TigerUnderGlass
December 27 2012, 01:17AM
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Technically DSF was wrong the moment Gagner stepped onto the ice since he had Gagner playing behind a guy who wasn't even on the roster.

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#4 Brad
December 27 2012, 05:38AM
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DSF wrote:

Please spend the next three years learning how to compose a coherent sentence complete with capitalization, punctuation and spelling.

You're an embarrassment to our school system.

" who their life as kids"

What does that mean?

If you can't argue with his point. Criticize his spelling.

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#5 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 08:06PM
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@DSF

Sorry I was just dumbing it down for you. I really don't care about that stuff, when I am talking to a complete jackass.

You are an embarrassment to life, and this site.

You said there was no way Gagner was going to play wing for Tavares. You were wrong as usual, so now admit it.

who = whole

It was obviously a typo. For someone like you who is a master of the English language, I thought you would have been smart enough to understand what was implied. Please spend the next three years learning something about hockey.

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#6 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 08:13PM
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@DSF

I know the language. I made a comment from an old cell phone and there was a typo.

Now can you just admit that Gagner played with Tavares as you said it would never happen.

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#7 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 08:24PM
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Every TV show needs a oaf that consistently says stupid things. The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.

I am starting to think DSF is a character put together buy the Genius that is Wayne to bring up the site hits for Oilersnation.

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#8 Time Travelling Sean
December 26 2012, 09:21PM
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@Oilertown

Your grammar is pretty awful though.

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#9 Darrell
December 26 2012, 09:22PM
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@DSF

I use my real name and am a life long Oiler fan living in the USA and don't hide behind BS. You on the other hand are an obvious failure hiding behind something hanging around here and bug me beyond comprehension you Oiler bashing dickhead ....

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#10 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 08:36PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Thanks oilerstown. I admit when I post from my phone, I tend not to give a crap about spelling or punctuation.

I agree its a damn comments section on a blog not a friggin essay. So long as it makes some kind of sense who the hell cares.

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#11 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 08:38PM
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Oilertown wrote:

I agree its a damn comments section on a blog not a friggin essay. So long as it makes some kind of sense who the hell cares.

Kind of funny how the topic changed from hockey to spelling when he was called out about backing up previous comments.

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#12 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 08:49PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Kind of funny how the topic changed from hockey to spelling when he was called out about backing up previous comments.

Ya you can't give DSF ammunition for anything cause as soon as he is proven wrong on something. He tries to use whatever he can to turn it on that person whether its cherry picked stats or whatever.

He's just a grumpy old man that is over envious of the Oils bright future.

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#13 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
December 27 2012, 01:25PM
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DSF! how dare you make a fool of yourself when i take a break from the nations! Now I'm forced to go back and read all the jargon from the last few days just to pin point exactly where you went wrong (although much thanks to Romulus).

Sigh. I know you won't respond to this, or any other comment made about your idiocy but i do know that you're reading this, DSF.

You're hard nosed stance against the Oilers makes you look foolish more often than not, with this thread as a case-in-point.

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#14 dawgtoy
December 26 2012, 10:24AM
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Morning LT!

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#15 David S
December 26 2012, 02:33PM
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WDIAMB - WHOAH!

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#16 Mumbai Max
December 26 2012, 02:36PM
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The big question is what is going to happen to the draft if there is no season. None of the possibilities seem very positive. So, let's play 48 games and get a 10th pick. That will still be a fine pick this year.

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#17 The Beaker
December 26 2012, 03:43PM
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@Mumbai Max

What they should do... not have a draft and push a year of eligibility back by a year, better for everyone involved.

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#18 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
December 26 2012, 04:59PM
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David S wrote:

WDIAMB - WHOAH!

WDIAMB?? The "B" is for babe?

I hope so.

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#19 DonDon
December 26 2012, 05:24PM
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On the subject of the entry level draft.

It is my understanding that if the NHL resumes play without a CBA there will not be an entry level draft, ever. This would be the outcome of the NHLPA decertifying of taking similar action.

Instead, players' agents will be able to hold an auction just as Justin Schultz did earlier this year. The player will select those teams he is prepared to play for and the auction will occur.

There won't be a salary cap either, so teams with deep pockets and the best teams will have a competitive advantage in acquiring the best players.

This will increase the importance of scouting amateur and professional hockey players.

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#20 Darrell
December 26 2012, 06:46PM
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I recall DSF swearing off Oilersnation if Sammy played on the first line at the Spengler Cup ? I am not sure if its a win or loss as the line went scoreless anyway. Either way, we have a lot of talent being show cased all over the place and you have to have a screw loose not to admit it.

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#21 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 06:51PM
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DonDon wrote:

On the subject of the entry level draft.

It is my understanding that if the NHL resumes play without a CBA there will not be an entry level draft, ever. This would be the outcome of the NHLPA decertifying of taking similar action.

Instead, players' agents will be able to hold an auction just as Justin Schultz did earlier this year. The player will select those teams he is prepared to play for and the auction will occur.

There won't be a salary cap either, so teams with deep pockets and the best teams will have a competitive advantage in acquiring the best players.

This will increase the importance of scouting amateur and professional hockey players.

Let's forget the act of decertifying its not going to happen. Pretty sure every big head in the league has already said its not going to happen.

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#22 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 06:52PM
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Darrell wrote:

I recall DSF swearing off Oilersnation if Sammy played on the first line at the Spengler Cup ? I am not sure if its a win or loss as the line went scoreless anyway. Either way, we have a lot of talent being show cased all over the place and you have to have a screw loose not to admit it.

LMAO did he play on the first line?

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#23 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 06:54PM
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Watched the highlights from that game. Sure looked like that goalie absolutely stole that game from Canada.

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#24 Darrell
December 26 2012, 07:19PM
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@Oilertown

I am not one to let facts get in the way:

"The line of Spezza, Tavares and Gagner generated plenty of scoring chances, while the combination of Seguin, Bergeron and Byron Ritchie provided Canada with its only goal."

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#25 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 07:53PM
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Haha thanks Darrell and now let's hope DSF is a man of his word's. Doubt it though.

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#26 DSF
December 26 2012, 07:55PM
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Oilertown wrote:

Haha thanks Darrell and now let's hope DSF is a man of his word's. Doubt it though.

Is the Spengler Cup over?

Do you have TOI numbers?

Didn't think so.

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#27 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 07:57PM
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Oilertown wrote:

Haha thanks Darrell and now let's hope DSF is a man of his word's. Doubt it though.

ya, i started this one commenting that wellwood did not make the team. I than said he would play with tavares, and he said no way.

On a team with only centers it would make sense that a center would end up playing with his buddy that played together their who life as kids.

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#28 DSF
December 26 2012, 08:02PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

ya, i started this one commenting that wellwood did not make the team. I than said he would play with tavares, and he said no way.

On a team with only centers it would make sense that a center would end up playing with his buddy that played together their who life as kids.

Please spend the next three years learning how to compose a coherent sentence complete with capitalization, punctuation and spelling.

You're an embarrassment to our school system.

" who their life as kids"

What does that mean?

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#29 DSF
December 26 2012, 08:10PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Sorry I was just dumbing it down for you. I really don't care about that stuff, when I am talking to a complete jackass.

You are an embarrassment to life, and this site.

You said there was no way Gagner was going to play wing for Tavares. You were wrong as usual, so now admit it.

who = whole

It was obviously a typo. For someone like you who is a master of the English language, I thought you would have been smart enough to understand what was implied. Please spend the next three years learning something about hockey.

Please try and learn the language.

You're not dumbing it down for anyone.

Except yourself.

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#30 DSF
December 26 2012, 08:15PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

I know the language. I made a comment from an old cell phone and there was a typo.

Now can you just admit that Gagner played with Tavares as you said it would never happen.

I said nothing about Tavares.

And you missed a comma and have a run on sentence with two subjects.

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#31 Darrell
December 26 2012, 08:16PM
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@DSF

Later hater ;) Too bag Gags is our 6th best player or we would really rub it in your face ..... work on your Oiler shades when your gone as we all wear them here at Oilernation!

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#32 DSF
December 26 2012, 08:18PM
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Darrell wrote:

Later hater ;) Too bag Gags is our 6th best player or we would really rub it in your face ..... work on your Oiler shades when your gone as we all wear them here at Oilernation!

It'll be great when the Christmas break at Junior High is over.

Good grief.

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#33 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 08:20PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

ya, i started this one commenting that wellwood did not make the team. I than said he would play with tavares, and he said no way.

On a team with only centers it would make sense that a center would end up playing with his buddy that played together their who life as kids.

Yes I do recall the whole conversation. Agreed with you as well DSF had figured there was no way Gagner would even start on the second line. Ha what a joke.

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#34 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 08:21PM
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@DSF

No. I specifically said Gagner would play with Tavares after you implied him being a healthy scratch. You than commented saying he would not get a sniff of the number one line (see comments section above). I rebutted saying whether you consider Tavares the first line or not they would play together. Again, you stated they wouldn't.

Oh for the rest of you Wellwood fans;

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/04/kyle-wellwood-is-fat.html

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#35 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 08:27PM
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By the way DSF I seem to recall a time not so many years ago when you yourself was not the greatest poster on here for punctuation and grammer.

It wasn't until some of the other posters on here rode your ass so hard about it that you started cleaning it up.

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#36 They're $hittie
December 26 2012, 08:29PM
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Oilertown wrote:

By the way DSF I seem to recall a time not so many years ago when you yourself was not the greatest poster on here for punctuation and grammer.

It wasn't until some of the other posters on here rode your ass so hard about it that you started cleaning it up.

Thanks oilerstown. I admit when I post from my phone, I tend not to give a crap about spelling or punctuation.

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#37 Oilertown
December 26 2012, 08:32PM
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Also you get very ignorant when people call you on your crap. You told me to learn how to spell because I spelled Defense instead of spelling it Defence. There's two ways to spell some stuff and only the most ignorant of people are gonna call someone out for something like. That just like Centre or Center even some of the bloggers on this site I have seen spell it both ways.

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#38 Darrell
December 26 2012, 08:44PM
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Later hater :) pick up some Oiler goggles on your break as we all wear them here at OilersNation .... when you get back we will still have RNH, Ebs, Hallsy, Yak, Hemmer, Schultzie and of course Gags and hope you will recognize what we do with your new shades .... cheers dude!

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#39 Wanyes bastard child
December 26 2012, 09:47PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

You spelled gigantic wrong :P

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#40 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 26 2012, 09:58PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

You spelled gigantic wrong :P

but I spelled "giantic" right!

(probably a cousin of Giant Man)...:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Pym

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#41 Darrell
December 26 2012, 10:06PM
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@Wanyes bastard child

Oilers Nation is friggin gigantic and sorry I lost my cool Gretz. I take enough crap living outside Oilernation and don't need to see it here as its where I get my fix.

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#42 Wanyes bastard child
December 26 2012, 10:26PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

All good dude, just wanted to inject a little humour into the thread eh ;)

@Darrell

No need to apologize to me my good man. DSF has that effect on many people, you just have to take him for what he is. I'm a fellow nationite just as you eh.

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#43 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
December 26 2012, 11:53PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

You spelled gigantic wrong :P

You spelled spelt wrong.

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#44 Oilertown
December 27 2012, 12:21AM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Your grammar is pretty awful though.

Don't care i'm pretty sure most of it makes sense to most people it's the dummys that can't read that might have trouble.

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#45 Cheap Shot Charlie
December 27 2012, 02:05AM
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DSF, with all the haters you need some love! You do contribute to conversations and are a valuable member of the Nation. If we didn't have you what would things look like? Was The Lord of the Flies a good book without "Piggy"? Who would watch Mr. Bean without Mr. Bean? Does Ricky not improve the trailer park? Random idiots are what makes life enjoyable! You are that enjoyable guy!! Some love to hate you but I love to love you :)!! *HUG*

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#46 Darrell
December 27 2012, 07:08AM
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@Cheap Shot Charlie

Good call Chuck !

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December 29 2012, 01:37AM
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