Rock Steady

Lowetide
February 27 2012 02:09PM

The Edmonton Oilers added a solid, veteran NHL defenseman today at the annual deadline. Nick Schultz has been old reliable on the Minnesota blue since the lockout and he's bringing his consistent brand of defense to Alberta's capital.

Nick Schultz is a veteran defenseman, an "actual" NHL player and anyone who follows the Oilers should be thrilled the club was able to add such a dependable hand. The problem? It cost them dearly, as Tom Gilbert is heading the other way in the NHL's biggest "real" deadline deal today.

Schultz offers the Oilers another throwback type: effecitve defender, read and react type, a very good shotblocker. He is moble and can play at evens and on the penalty kill. He does not offer a lot of puck moving ability compared to Gilbert and that appears to be the difference in the trade.

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Why would the Oilers trade a complete defender like Tom Gilbert for a stay-at-home type like Schultz? There are only a few possible answers, involving things that we can't really speculate about with any authority. Did Gilbert ask for a trade? I doubt it. What about the Oilers? Were they concerned that Gilbert's long term health was an issue? No idea.

Having said that, the reasons behind the trade are not available to me from the Oilers perspective. The math suggests that Gilbert was Schultz' equal defensively and has substantial offense to spare.

In terms of use, Gilbert was useful in all three aspects of the game and Schultz only two:

  • Gilbert: 17:25EV; 3:16SH; 2:05PP
  • Schultz 16:44EV; 2:23SH; 0:28PP

The Oilers will miss Gilbert's ability to move the puck and his defensive acumen. In Schultz, it looks like the defensive side of the game is covered, but the offense is gone. It's a strange deal based on the numbers

THE FUTURE

This trade tells you one thing for sure: the Edmonton Oilers believe Jeff Petry has arrived and he's going to play busy minutes from now on. I also suspect they believe Ryan Whitney can and will return to good health by the fall, leaving the top 4 defensemen as Whitney, Schultz, Laddy Smid and Petry.

I don't think it's enough. Even with Sutton, Potter, Peckham and a cast of thousands on the way this doesn't look like enough, meaning we should expect a very active summertime for Edmonton. The draft will probably be defense heavy and the free agent/trade news from Oilers HQ will/should also be heavy on the color blue.

BEHIND THE NET SAYS……..Nick Schultz

  • Offensive Zone Start: 41.0 third toughest among Minnesota regulars over 35GP, although he faced the toughest among those who have played over 40 games
  • CorsiRel: -8.7, worst on the team among regulars over 35GP
  • Qual Comp: 5th toughest, although the 3-5 D appear quite close

BEHIND THE NET SAYS……..Tom Gilbert

  • Offensive Zone Start: 50.5,fourth toughest among Edmonton regulars over 35GP
  • CorsiRel: 2.6 third best on the team among regulars over 35GP
  • Qual Comp: 3rd toughest

Basically, it means they face about the same quality of competition, but Schultz' zone start is more punishing and Gilbert's CorsiRel is much better. I don't think there's a huge gap defensively, and will leave it to others to hairsplit the value of the offense.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

In about one half hour from now, Steve Tambellini will address the media. I would expect him to talk about adding grit, toughness, and defensive acumen. I would also expect him to tell us Jeff Petry's development was instrumental in making this trade possible.

The question then becomes how much does this improve the Oilers defensively? And secondly, is this improvement measurable or does it exist at all? The best measurements we have available to us at this time suggest Gilbert is even or slightly ahead of Schultz defensively and clearly superior offensively.

The trade looks like a loss from here, but Nick Schultz is a fine NHL defenseman.

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#1 Bob E Bigwheel
February 27 2012, 02:27PM
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I don't understand the Oilers trading away their biggest need (a top 4 defenseman) for a number 5 or 6. This trade will cost Tambi his job! Now tell me this who takes his spot Theo Peckham??? What a joke!

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#2 BaconWrapped
February 27 2012, 02:18PM
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LT, apparently Gilbert turned a corner this year. He was playing the body for pete's sakes! Could/should we have gotten more from Minny? Or maybe I'm just a homer?

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#3 freeze
February 27 2012, 02:19PM
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I like who we acquired but it seems like an overpay.

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#4 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 27 2012, 03:55PM
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Only in Edmonton under this regime can we experience what we seen happen today.

The Oilers were most certainly sellers on this day and yet they go out and give away their #2/3 d'man in exchange for a 5,6,7 guy. Overpayments are usually reserved for the competing teams on this day. What part of "Seller" mode does Steve not understand.

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#5 OILGMSP
February 27 2012, 04:48PM
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WOW I am a Oil fan through & through. Come on you HOMMERS. Give away gilbert was not a solid D man. Yes maybe a good first passer but thats it. He was always good for a pylon impersonation every game & a give away or two to boot. He started to " lean " on guys this year but I would not call it hitting. As for a offensive D man????? Maybe in 2006. His points the last few years are not at all great.

Shultz is a put your hard hat on and get to work D man. Good on the PK and can be a good mentor on how to work hard and take care of your own zone. People that think we lost or think this was a even trade are crazzy. You wait this was a great move. Shultz will be great with our system.

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#6 Crooked
February 27 2012, 02:41PM
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For all of the talk people about Gilbert's offensive abilities, he hasn't exactly been lighting it up with just 43 points in his last 126 games (3007:14 of ice time) and only one season of more than 33 points. He was given a nice fat long term contract after a 13 goal season in 07-08 and has just 19 goals in his past 290 games.

I certainly don't think subtracting Gilbert was the right way to go, but I think his loss, especially on the offensive end, is being overstated.

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February 27 2012, 02:49PM
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Minnesota cut Shultz loose because he continued to struggle to keep up with the quickening pace of todays game. Oilers lose on this deal, make room for another #5,6 or 7 d'man on this club.

Oilers will soon realize what they've bought and buy Shultz out after next season.

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#8 Walter Sobchak
February 27 2012, 03:14PM
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I am not a Gilbert fan, I just don't see how this trade improves the Oilers. I also think the Oilers are overvaluing there own defense. I'm not sure you can say Petry can take Gilbert's spot at this time, just like when they were saying Peckham was a legit 5-6 defense man. Whitney is a step slower and with possibility of more surgery this summer, Barker is a complete bust and Peckham has regressed.

A lateral move the Oilers didn't need to make IMO.

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#9 OILERSORDEATH
February 27 2012, 05:31PM
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Love it! All my Minny bro's are soooo pissed! I'm just glad we picked up a little more grit and sand paper on our back end. Leave to Petry and Whits to move the puck.

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#10 Oilcan
February 27 2012, 10:44PM
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Schultz has an 84 rating in NHL 12 and Gilbert has a rating of 83...WINNING!!!

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#11 David S
February 28 2012, 12:29AM
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So I just watched Gilbert's exit video. He was amazingly calm and upbeat for a guy who's been on the team for six years, has craploads of close friends here, just bought a house and has a pretty serious local girlfriend.

Funny how he just happened to be traded to his home town for a another actual NHL'er D-man close to his cap hit.

I'd lay some serious cash he asked for the trade.

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#12 Bryzarro World
February 27 2012, 02:22PM
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He also going to tell us what Stevie Y thought of Schultz... Really?

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#13 kyuss
February 27 2012, 02:30PM
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Still shocked over trade as I don't know enough about Shultz. Good luck Gilbert!

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#14 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 27 2012, 02:31PM
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It is concerning that Shultz only played the 5th most minutes/game amoungst Wild defenders.

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#15 Bender
February 27 2012, 03:07PM
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Let's not forget that we aren't making the play offs and this might be just a piece of a new defense to come via free agency and the off season. I personally think schultz will bring allot of things that aren't reflected on the stats sheet. I wouldn't jump the gun and call this a bad trade until I see the team that tambo ices next season.

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#16 Brownlee loves the word meow
February 27 2012, 03:41PM
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Meow am I the only one that realizes that Gilbert wasn't good at moving the puck??? Is he labeled this because he does not play good defense, so that must have to mean he is a puck mover? His puck moving consists of skating up the middle not being able to make a decision on who to pass to, and then waiting until all the forwards are stopped dead on the opposing blue line watching Gilbert in awe.. while he dumps the puck, that nobody can possibly get to, and quickly changes.

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#17 Mr DeBakey
February 27 2012, 03:50PM
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"just think with Petry, Klefbom coming eventually, maybe drafting Dumba or Murray this coming draft"

Eventually, the Oilers may make the play-offs. Hell, I'm going out on a limb and saying they WILL make the play-offs. Eventually. Maybe.

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#18 VMR
February 27 2012, 04:17PM
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Dman09 wrote:

It wouldn't just be players you would probably have to throw in a 4th or 3rd to make it happen maybe both. Still would have been better than trading Gilbert becuase you will probably never see a 3 or 4th round pick in the NHL. Take a look at what the D would be like if say Peckham and Plante a 3rd and a 4th were traded for Schultz. And if they wanted Tuebert instead of Plante do it.

Really? How do you figure that adding a 3rd or 4th round pick to guys who cant regulary make it as our 3rd pairing d-men would make Minnesota interested in giving up one of their best d-men?

A big pile of crap doesnt get more valuable if you throw more crap on the pile.

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#19 Dman09
February 27 2012, 04:18PM
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Brownlee loves the word meow wrote:

Meow as confused as I am with the crickets surrounding what should have been the Oilers picking up some picks or prospects for our ufa's, or even random players that dont fit in.. I wouldn't consider Gilbert or Schultz much of anything. This trade is a wash. Gilbert is not a 2nd D-man. On the 30th place team he was. Lets not over value Gilbert, because guess what.. 5 bucks says Schultz is a top 2 d-man in Edmonton now lol.

On a team that is -24 Schultz is a -10. Edmonton is a -19 and Gilbert was a -4 Schultz was 5th toughest mins on a team with superior defense to Edmonton and Gilbert was playing 3rd toughest mins on a team with arguably the weakest defense in the league. I'd be surprised if Schultz is able to play in the top 4

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#20 MrCondor
February 27 2012, 04:27PM
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Everyone seems upset at the trade without knowing anything about Schultz. He hasn't put up a ton of offence, but neither have the wild.

You can't judge a player by TOI - just look at how our forward lines shake out by that metric. Corsi is a crap shot and heavily dependant on his d partner and the forwards playing in front of him.

What were you expecting? Adding a defensive minded, proven NHL D Man for a 2nd and a 4th round pick? You've got to give up an asset to get something back in this league.

I think this is a "no win" trade by 2 organizations that needed a shake up. We got a great personality for the room and an extra 500k cap space.

I think it's a decent trade.

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#21 smokinmonkey
February 27 2012, 04:38PM
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I will truely miss Gibby manning the back end but that being said this was a really good move by the Oilers. Petry is Gilbert with a little bit of a mean streak and at a younger age and cheaper contract. So Petry replaces Gibby (and I think Petry will be better in the future) and we pick up another Ladi Smid. How could that be a loss?

Hemsky resigned (thumb up) Schultz added (thumb up) Lander sent down (thumb up)

GO OILERS!

Hopefully the boys pull out a big win today I'm from Winnipeg and going to the game wearing my Ebs jersey and am going to take a beating from the crowd.

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#22 Oilcruzer
February 27 2012, 04:52PM
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@MrCondor

Ya, not everyone is ticked at the trade. I think it's interesting.

Would like it if Gilbert could have stayed but we weren't getting Schultz for Barker or Peckham or Horcoff or...

...and last time I coached, I seem to remember that a D man that can play D is a good thing.

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#23 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 27 2012, 04:58PM
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@Time Travelling Sean

Thought you were mad at me Sean over the Hemsky thing. Are we all buddie buddie again?

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#24 Skidplate
February 27 2012, 05:03PM
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Dman09 wrote:

It wouldn't just be players you would probably have to throw in a 4th or 3rd to make it happen maybe both. Still would have been better than trading Gilbert becuase you will probably never see a 3 or 4th round pick in the NHL. Take a look at what the D would be like if say Peckham and Plante a 3rd and a 4th were traded for Schultz. And if they wanted Tuebert instead of Plante do it.

Dman09, if you are smart enough to realize that a 3rd or 4th round pick will probably never make the NHL, then I would give every NHL GM the same respect.

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#25 Clyde Frog
February 27 2012, 09:18PM
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Meh if he is a character guy like old gator, this could be a decent trade.

I don't mind trading Gilbert's pass for a steady d-man and a guy who can anchor our team character wise.

Although if he really has lost a step and will struggle to play Gilbert's minutes this trade will make a little sad :(

We've spent two years crying at Gilbert's game only to watch it become as solid as we've seen it in years... Not exactly the time I was hoping for him to be traded, but time will tell...

It's not gonna drop us into the basement, so I guess the next 21 games will tell us if we needed a different approach or not.

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#26 Time Travelling Sean
February 27 2012, 09:24PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Thought you were mad at me Sean over the Hemsky thing. Are we all buddie buddie again?

Course, I could never stay mad at you.

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#27 kdunbar
February 27 2012, 09:59PM
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After listening to Gregor and watching the game today, I now think I see the use of this trade.

When the score is 4-2 and there is 4 minutes left you should not be thinking are they going to blow this one.

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#28 Time Travelling Sean
February 27 2012, 11:12PM
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Tayranchula wrote:

I think this trade was to do with not only giving some veteran stay at home D help we need but to also clear up some cap space. Hemsky fleeced the Oilers a bit with his contract ext. and Gilbert is a 4mil a year D.

I like Petrys game better cause he uses his body infront and on the side boards more than Gilbert. Maybe this summer there will be another Dman coming in. Cause with Barker hopefully gone this is what Im hoping the D will look like

Shultz-Whitney

XXX-Petry

Sutton-Tuebert or Potter or Musil (Schultz's new prodige?)

Still think a player like with Quinceys ability for XXX would be good or will the Oil go after a big fish in FA and actually compete next year?

You forgot about Smid. Damn we need some more appreciative fans.

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#29 Oilcruzer
February 27 2012, 02:10PM
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I Know Nothing

(about playing with an offensive minded team)

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#30 hunkybill
February 27 2012, 02:17PM
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Almost FIST

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#31 Talbot17
February 27 2012, 02:24PM
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Peoples expectations on 'getting more' for Gilbert aren't really unrealistic..if your not an Oilers fan do you view Gilbert as a top 4 D? i just think with Petry, Klefbom coming eventually, maybe drafting Dumba or Murray this coming draft, Gilbert is expendable and if Smid ever got hurt who could we have leaned on to eat big minutes as that stay at home guy? Gilbert? .... Peckham?.... Teubert?

I think this is a great trade IMO

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#32 Gitagrip
February 27 2012, 02:32PM
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Dithers chooses the Blue pill.

*Morpheus pounds forehead with heel of palm*

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#33 Mike
February 27 2012, 02:43PM
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I always question advanced stats. I've seen other teams go through Gilbert too often with passes to agree with them. He has stepped up his game this year physically but still isn't great defensively. He may have started against tougher opposition this year but that's only a measure of how poor the Oil's defence was this year and last rather than how good Gilbert is (or is not) defensively.

Additionally, Petry has as many points as Gilbert does in fewer games. Petry will likely face some bumps in the road with his development but so far he seems to be able to match Gilbert on the offensive side of it.

I'm not ecstatic that Gilbert is gone like I would have been last season but this trade definitely fills a need on the Oil.

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#34 Rick
February 27 2012, 02:44PM
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I hope they have a better read on Petry's arrival then they had on Potter's when they jumped the gun to re-up him.

They're heaping a lot of pressure on a kid that was swimming in it just a month or so ago.

Good thing the Oilers aren't rushing their prospects anymore.

I vote "#off the glass and out" will be the newest Oilers twitter trend.

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#35 Kaiser Wilhelm
February 27 2012, 03:00PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

I Know Nothing

(about playing with an offensive minded team)

Heh. . . I see what you did there. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q

Anyone else remember what a tough year Gilbert had after signing his contract? Something in my gut says Petry could have the same issue next year. And while I like Schultz, I don't see why we couldn't have just kept Gilbert.

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#37 DieHard
February 27 2012, 03:01PM
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For the past 2-3 years I've had a hate/like relationship with Gilbert (never a love situation though). I think Petry (24 years old) is not a prospect anymore but a bona fide NHL defenseman. He's a puck mover with great offensive instincts. I like this trade. Minny fans hate it. Time will tell.

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#38 Sal-Sational
February 27 2012, 03:07PM
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maybe he had a fight with Kevin Lowe...

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#39 burninoil
February 27 2012, 03:18PM
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For all you people who thinks this is a bad trade i disagree. Shultz is a very strong gritty d man that the oilers have had problems playing against for the past several years, so acquiring him was a very smart move. Don't get me wrong Tommy g was a good oiler and a good defender,but are team has to many of the same type of d men.(minus Smid). this is going to look like a great move next year when the oilers are actually in a playoff spot or in a run for one.If not tambo will be gone. mark this words.

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#40 Fred
February 27 2012, 03:18PM
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Does not matter Edmonton is an insignificant team. Who cares if Gilbert is better , Edmonton is a bad team and will continue to be a bad team. They need to get rid of management and their philosophy of what makes a good team.

We will be here again next year a lottery pick team.

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#41 Dman09
February 27 2012, 03:22PM
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I think this trade just futher shows Tambo's inability to recognize or determine fair value. He either over pays in money or contract length or both. And the only trade he made for fair value was Penner but that seems to be because LA is unable to determine value as well. If he wanted to stabilize the defense with another reliable stay at home guy then Peckham should have been traded not Gilbert. Especially when Teubert is almost as good a defenseman as Peckham, at least this season. Plus two never going to be NHL defenders in Plante and Chorney. Now we have a serious shortage of puck moving defensman.

Yes we have a lot of good puck moving prospects that will be moving up next season but I highly doubt any of them will be able to play any decent games in the NHL if needed for at least another year and yet we have 5 pylons. I honestly believe this will end up hurting the team unless there is an unexpected prospect that all of a sudden is good enough for the NHL. Maybe Fedun will pick up where he left off but I wouldn't count on it, he going to have a long hard road ahead to get back into the game.

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#42 Sal-Sational
February 27 2012, 03:35PM
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It was pretty funny watching Tom Renney trying to hide the truth when he was asked about Gilbert in his interview yesterday. He said something along the line of "um ya he stayed back (in Edmonton) cuz he had a ummmm a bad back ...yes a bad back"

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#43 Oilcan
February 27 2012, 03:35PM
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Dman09 wrote:

I think this trade just futher shows Tambo's inability to recognize or determine fair value. He either over pays in money or contract length or both. And the only trade he made for fair value was Penner but that seems to be because LA is unable to determine value as well. If he wanted to stabilize the defense with another reliable stay at home guy then Peckham should have been traded not Gilbert. Especially when Teubert is almost as good a defenseman as Peckham, at least this season. Plus two never going to be NHL defenders in Plante and Chorney. Now we have a serious shortage of puck moving defensman.

Yes we have a lot of good puck moving prospects that will be moving up next season but I highly doubt any of them will be able to play any decent games in the NHL if needed for at least another year and yet we have 5 pylons. I honestly believe this will end up hurting the team unless there is an unexpected prospect that all of a sudden is good enough for the NHL. Maybe Fedun will pick up where he left off but I wouldn't count on it, he going to have a long hard road ahead to get back into the game.

Haha I would love to see that condo today

"Hey Steve it's Chuck Fletcher how do you feel about Gilbert for Schultz...kinda helps us both what do you think?"

"Hey Chuck hmm Schultz is a solid defenseman so is Gilbert how do you feel about Chorney, Peckham and Plante for Schultz..cmon its a 3 for 1"

Chuck Fletcher: "BAHAHAHAHA [CLICK]"

Some of our fans need to get a clue, no one wants our useless crap...people need to realize in order to get players we need to trade players.

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#44 Dman09
February 27 2012, 03:52PM
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Haha I would love to see that condo today

"Hey Steve it's Chuck Fletcher how do you feel about Gilbert for Schultz...kinda helps us both what do you think?"

"Hey Chuck hmm Schultz is a solid defenseman so is Gilbert how do you feel about Chorney, Peckham and Plante for Schultz..cmon its a 3 for 1"

Chuck Fletcher: "BAHAHAHAHA [CLICK]"

Some of our fans need to get a clue, no one wants our useless crap...people need to realize in order to get players we need to trade players.

It wouldn't just be players you would probably have to throw in a 4th or 3rd to make it happen maybe both. Still would have been better than trading Gilbert becuase you will probably never see a 3 or 4th round pick in the NHL. Take a look at what the D would be like if say Peckham and Plante a 3rd and a 4th were traded for Schultz. And if they wanted Tuebert instead of Plante do it.

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#45 SourGrapes
February 27 2012, 03:53PM
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Brownlee loves the word meow wrote:

Meow am I the only one that realizes that Gilbert wasn't good at moving the puck??? Is he labeled this because he does not play good defense, so that must have to mean he is a puck mover? His puck moving consists of skating up the middle not being able to make a decision on who to pass to, and then waiting until all the forwards are stopped dead on the opposing blue line watching Gilbert in awe.. while he dumps the puck, that nobody can possibly get to, and quickly changes.

You're not the only one! In the D zone he has the ability to turn time and space into a turnover becuase he can't make a decision fast enough. I didn't mind the guy but a year ago I would have taken a bag of pucks for him - hopefully Schultz is a major upgrade.

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#46 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
February 27 2012, 03:53PM
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Brownlee loves the word meow wrote:

Meow am I the only one that realizes that Gilbert wasn't good at moving the puck??? Is he labeled this because he does not play good defense, so that must have to mean he is a puck mover? His puck moving consists of skating up the middle not being able to make a decision on who to pass to, and then waiting until all the forwards are stopped dead on the opposing blue line watching Gilbert in awe.. while he dumps the puck, that nobody can possibly get to, and quickly changes.

No, you're not the only one. I like Gilbert, but I often wondered why people thought of him as a puck moving D. His game has come along way in many aspects and I think he will be a reliable D moving forward but I don't recall yelling "nice pass Gilbert" too often.

With the limited amount of games Whitney's played this year, I can already recall a few breakout passes that made me take notice.

Petry, Whitney and Gilbert are all kinda similar defenders with Gilbert having the least offensive upside. I like the move. If anything it should open up more opportunity for Petry.

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#47 Dman09
February 27 2012, 04:02PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Only in Edmonton under this regime can we experience what we seen happen today.

The Oilers were most certainly sellers on this day and yet they go out and give away their #2/3 d'man in exchange for a 5,6,7 guy. Overpayments are usually reserved for the competing teams on this day. What part of "Seller" mode does Steve not understand.

the same part of getting fair value contracts that he doesn't seem to understand. Lets face it the guy is a Twit

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#48 Brownlee loves the word meow
February 27 2012, 04:04PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Only in Edmonton under this regime can we experience what we seen happen today.

The Oilers were most certainly sellers on this day and yet they go out and give away their #2/3 d'man in exchange for a 5,6,7 guy. Overpayments are usually reserved for the competing teams on this day. What part of "Seller" mode does Steve not understand.

Meow as confused as I am with the crickets surrounding what should have been the Oilers picking up some picks or prospects for our ufa's, or even random players that dont fit in.. I wouldn't consider Gilbert or Schultz much of anything. This trade is a wash. Gilbert is not a 2nd D-man. On the 30th place team he was. Lets not over value Gilbert, because guess what.. 5 bucks says Schultz is a top 2 d-man in Edmonton now lol.

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#49 Smokey
February 27 2012, 04:08PM
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The Gibby for Shultz trade looks like a saw off talent wise, and a cap saving of what a million bucks. I hope Shultz is as durable as Tom has been over the years. At least Tom can play in front of his family.

Personally not a fan of the trade, because it really depends upon whether Petry is ready for prime time. I guess the Oilers decided Petry is ready, and time will tell if this is a good move.

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#50 Brownlee loves the word meow
February 27 2012, 04:12PM
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meow enough with us filling the bottom part of our line up with plugs/stopgaps...have we signed Suter yet?

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