Hurry Linus

Lowetide
February 04 2012 08:25AM

Linus Omark may be the most qualified player in the Edmonton system to replace Ales Hemsky. 

At this point it is difficult to see what the Oilers have planned for RW moving forward. Some things are becoming more clear, however;Jason Gregor's article yesterdaywas very revealing in regard to 83's future with the team, the strongest indicator we've seen so far that the young Czech is headed elsewhere.

Which isn't to say there is no time left to sign Hemsky. However, with the knowledge we have currently it is completely reasonable to suggest the Oilers management group have indeed sussed out their options at RW with Hemsky out f the picture.

What does that look like?

I'm not going to lie, it isn't pretty. The Oilers RWers for skill lines sans Hemsky might look like this:

  • Jordan Eberle 47, 20-30-50
  • Ryan Jones 51, 12-10-22
  • Magnus Paajarvi 33, 0-4-4
  • Teemu Hartikainen 5, 0-0-0
  • Linus Omark 5, 0-0-0 (injured, likely back with OKC by next weekend)

You could argue Gagner can play that position but center appears to be his strength. So, if the Oilers offload Hemsky at the deadline, which of these young men will get the push?

Jones is the safest bet, an NHL player whose offense has vanished (he's not alone) of late (0-2-2 in his last 10 games). Paajarvi performed well last winter when he got the push, but honestly keeping him in the AHL for the rest of the season might be the better plan. Hartikainen is an interesting option because he has size and is effective down low in battles but has not established himself in this year's look-see like he did last season when recalled from the farm. 

Omark is an exceptional skill player, a slow start and an injury have him well down the depth chart. He's an older player compared to someone like Paajarvi, and a Hemsky deal might be his last best chance.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

A year ago, all of the options we're discussing (Omark, Hartikainen, Paajarvi) performed well at the NHL level. This season has been a different story for the three Euro's and I think Edmonton may hold open auditions for 2line RW using all of them plus Ryan Jones after the deadline.

That's if the Oilers trade Hemsky. Ryan Rishaug's tweet last night in regard to conversations between the two sides offers some hope, but I believe Jason Gregor caught the spirit of the situation covered in his article on Oilers Nation yesterday.

Good organizations have viable options waiting in the wings when dealing off notable talent. I'm not certain the Oilers can say they have the 'Hemsky slot' covered from within at this time.

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#51 50 in 39
February 04 2012, 01:35PM
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Signing Hemsky before July 1 could be very precarious. He probably won't take any sort of discount. This should be the most lucrative contract of his whole career and his agent probably thinks bringing 29 other teams into the mix won't hurt his chances at a better deal. UFA's have routinely been overpayed in recent history. Worst case scenario is a contract that can't be moved.

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#52 Clarko
February 04 2012, 01:50PM
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knobby wrote:

Could Hemsky be tanking on purpose because he is considering returning to Europe? KHL maybe.

Doubtful. Even if he doesn't have the greatest last 30 games, he is still going to cash in on free agency. Other teams, unlike Oilers management, places a premium on top 6 talent.

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#53 ALEX STEENBERGER
February 04 2012, 01:56PM
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Hemskey is not playing like a top 6 forward. I thing if we trade him for a bag of hockey pucks... We've won the deal!!!!!

BYE BYE HEMMER!!!!

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#54 Robin Brownlee
February 04 2012, 02:01PM
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I think it's far more likely Linus Omark ends up on the Rob Schremp tour than being a body that can fill Hemsky's spot for any length of time.

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#55 nofool6110
February 04 2012, 02:24PM
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Give Omark the chance or sign big DP in the offseason.

You never know.........

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#56 OILERSORDEATH
February 04 2012, 02:43PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I think it's far more likely Linus Omark ends up on the Rob Schremp tour than being a body that can fill Hemsky's spot for any length of time.

Highly doubt that, Omark has more heart and will than Shremp can ever dream of having.

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#57 bazmagoo
February 04 2012, 02:45PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I think it's far more likely Linus Omark ends up on the Rob Schremp tour than being a body that can fill Hemsky's spot for any length of time.

Agreed, probably 90% likely Omark will be on this route by the end of this season but he still deserves another chance to audition in my opinion.

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#58 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 02:59PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Really.......are you serious man? I think that you should start a Hemsky Fan Club and sign up guys like Gregor! Im starting to think that you dont watch any Oiler games.

Even people like you will eventually come to reality on Hemsky!

His play has dictated his support and right now most people see him for what he is........a has been!

It's incredibly telling that you didn't bother to answer my questions.

Look you don't like Hemsky. Fine. Answer these questions then:

If you think $$ is the issue: how much do you expect to pay top 6 talent? (forget Hemsky just in general)

If you deal Hemsky who do you fill in that spot? There are two choices.

1) hope MPV, Omark or someone else in the system (Jones?) can play in that role. If they can perform at that level they will have overcome miraculous odds; Or,

2) you suddenly find yourself with not only gaps at G and D but a new one at RW. SO you either look to trade (who's going to give up top 6 and without serious pay back... oh yea... idiots like the Oilers - if you think they are easy to acquire by trade you are crazy); or by free agency... well who's available that will come, for how much (if you thought Hemsky's asking price too steep wait till you find yourself buying on the open market)

These are real problems that GMs have to deal with. It's not as simple as souring on a guy and trading him simply to move him. The ramifications are huge when trading a top 6 forward or top 4 D. You better have answers ready for these questions.

And, I'm sorry but right now LO and MPV are not the answer.

So, do we want to be a competitive team in the next two years? or do you want to put it off 3 more, hope the core of Hall, Ebs and RNH are still around and that your trade acquisitions turn out?

What's the bigger gamble? Instead of railing at Hemsky and his supporters, engage the arguments. Show me a path where trading him makes this team better either now or down the road that isn't simply "he sucks."

In other words, show me your work on this math problem.

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#59 bazmagoo
February 04 2012, 03:15PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I think if the Oilers can get a high end prospect like Ryan Ellis from Nashville or Jonathan Bernier from LA then it's feasible to think that deal would make the Oilers better in the near future (1-2 years).

I agree if they end up trading Hemmer for a Colten Teubert level prospect and a 1st it does nothing to help the teams development over the next 2-3 years and should not be done.

None of these young guys want to be playing for a losing team indefinitely.

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#60 Wax Man Riley
February 04 2012, 03:21PM
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All I want to say is that Hemsky does not look like the same Hemsky. 2 major surgeries in 2 years have definitely messed with him and he is playing timidly because he doesn't want to get hurt in a contract year.

He is not done yet. Not over the hill, he is 28. He still has playing time left in him, and lots of it. Once he gets confidence in his shoulders and a contract again.

The talk about Omark stepping in for Hemsky is LUDICROUS! To suggest a player that has 5 NHL goals and no real pro record to speak of, can step in for Hemsky's 60-ish points a year is asinine.

I'm not saying Omark CAN'T do it. I'm just saying that he has no history at all in the NHL and expecting him to "step in" for Hemsky is an exaggeration of his ability.

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#61 Wax Man Riley
February 04 2012, 03:27PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Highly doubt that, Omark has more heart and will than Shremp can ever dream of having.

You played with Omark and Schremp? How do you know them?

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#62 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 03:39PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

I think if the Oilers can get a high end prospect like Ryan Ellis from Nashville or Jonathan Bernier from LA then it's feasible to think that deal would make the Oilers better in the near future (1-2 years).

I agree if they end up trading Hemmer for a Colten Teubert level prospect and a 1st it does nothing to help the teams development over the next 2-3 years and should not be done.

None of these young guys want to be playing for a losing team indefinitely.

That's definitely closer to the mark. If ST gets an NHL ready (or very near to) D that is projected to at least sniff at the top 4 in the next couple of years... that will definitely make a difference.

However, even if that is the best case scenario (i still think it's debatable and the impending search for another top 6 forward will show that), how would that justify not exploring all your options? ie. not testing the waters with Hemsky?

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#63 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 04 2012, 03:48PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Really.......are you serious man? I think that you should start a Hemsky Fan Club and sign up guys like Gregor! Im starting to think that you dont watch any Oiler games.

Even people like you will eventually come to reality on Hemsky!

His play has dictated his support and right now most people see him for what he is........a has been!

I'm really looking forward to 2-3 years from now when the team actually has a shot, and you are left scratching your head looking for some secondary scoring.

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#64 A-Mc
February 04 2012, 03:49PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Your tone sounds a lot like a personal attack there man. Anyone who is looking to move hemsky doesn't warrant being called an idiot.

The math for me would easily be: trade hemsky for something like Whitney on the back end.(if you can)

The price tag on a legit, healthy top 6 would be about 5m-6m depending on thier role. I do not consider hemsky a regular top 6 for the oilers based on:

1. Work ethic 2. Leadership 3. Play making 4. Health (games played)

I would: Bring up a young guy to wing the second line. Hemsky's contribution seems to be passing. Omark's name comes up because he is a very good passer and is very hard to take off the puck. Other guys like a net crashing Hartik. Might work too.

3 hot shot youngsters, a .92PPG hemsky, a surging at times but overall good Ryan smyth, and a 2nd line center in Sam gagner has not brought the oil to the playoffs and is in fact looking to be a bottom feeder team once again . Obviously the front end talent isn't enough so you have to ask yourself, what part(s) of that front end are you willing to part with to get a decent defender.

If Hemsky isn't the guy to use to make that trade, then who is?

If this season comes and goes and tambo moves no one, but signs hemsky to a 4 year 5m/yr contract, what will you have to say?

Signing hemsky means we're accepting that our team won't change much for next year besides some new young guys that we aquire in the draft.

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#65 bazmagoo
February 04 2012, 03:58PM
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The Hemmer that is on the ice this season does not improve our team going forward, I'm not sure how you guys can defend that argument? In my opinion (and many others) the 2006 playoff Hemsky no longer exists. If he does, I'll be shocked.

This could very well come back to haunt us as many deals have in the past. But sending Hemsky to LA for Bernier makes most sense to me. Khabby is close to done, and having Dubnyk and Bernier battle it out for the starting goalie position moving forward sounds like a smart move. With Dubnyk - Bernier as a tandem, realistically we will only have 3 to 4 million each year tied up in our goalies. Both are definitely potential #1's in my opinion.

I think Ellis is too high end a prospect and with Nashville potentially losing Suter and/or Weber trading Ellis doesn't make a lot of sense to me from a Nashville perspective. I'm not really interested in Blum, -14 this year, American from California, just doesn't seem like a good fit to me.

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#66 merfer
February 04 2012, 04:18PM
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Can we really afford to commit to a 4 or 5 year 5 million plus deal when within two years we are going to have to pay large for Eberle and Hall and then shortly thereafter RNH? I say no. I know Hemmer has great talent and is just trying not to get injured so he can get his next big contract. Who wouldn't? I'm pretty sure that once he has signed a new deal you will see a brand new Hemsky(until he gets hurt again) but for now and the rest of the year he is going to play it quite safe. Let him go. Let some other team take a chance with his shoulders.Do we want another Horcoft contract? I think we could use a different kind of winger in our top six. Some size and grit would be great. I don't have the answers as to where we get this guy I just know that someone with a little push back would look great with Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Gagner.

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#67 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 04:20PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Your tone sounds a lot like a personal attack there man. Anyone who is looking to move hemsky doesn't warrant being called an idiot.

The math for me would easily be: trade hemsky for something like Whitney on the back end.(if you can)

The price tag on a legit, healthy top 6 would be about 5m-6m depending on thier role. I do not consider hemsky a regular top 6 for the oilers based on:

1. Work ethic 2. Leadership 3. Play making 4. Health (games played)

I would: Bring up a young guy to wing the second line. Hemsky's contribution seems to be passing. Omark's name comes up because he is a very good passer and is very hard to take off the puck. Other guys like a net crashing Hartik. Might work too.

3 hot shot youngsters, a .92PPG hemsky, a surging at times but overall good Ryan smyth, and a 2nd line center in Sam gagner has not brought the oil to the playoffs and is in fact looking to be a bottom feeder team once again . Obviously the front end talent isn't enough so you have to ask yourself, what part(s) of that front end are you willing to part with to get a decent defender.

If Hemsky isn't the guy to use to make that trade, then who is?

If this season comes and goes and tambo moves no one, but signs hemsky to a 4 year 5m/yr contract, what will you have to say?

Signing hemsky means we're accepting that our team won't change much for next year besides some new young guys that we aquire in the draft.

C'mon dude... I never called anyone an idiot. and I notice your concerns over tone don't apply to the guy I was actually chatting with... who comes up with gems like this:

Really.......are you serious man? I think that you should start a Hemsky Fan Club and sign up guys like Gregor! Im starting to think that you dont watch any Oiler games.

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Stop obsessing with Hemsky.......take down the Hemsky posters on your wall man! Im and Oiler fan.............NOT a Hemsky fan. Its too bad you cant understand that, I feel sorry for you.

What did I say in response to this that upset you?

I worst thing I can find on the thread is the "can't count to 6" line. It should be clear that I'm suggesting that people are so caught up in the Hall, Ebs, RNH future that they forget that you still have to field the rest of the forward core... ie, not suggesting that people literally can't count to 6.

But on to your substance:

Well most people concede his top 6 status. Last year the top 180 (ie top 6 or 6x30) forwards scored 34 points or more. That's the benchmark for top 6. I think that Hemsky has a solid shot to produce at a rate better than that in the next 4 years.

Bringing up a young guy is a long shot for that kind of production. But make no mistake that is what we will be looking for if we dump Hemsky.

If Hemsky isn't the guy to use to make that trade, then who is? If this season comes and goes and tambo moves no one, but signs hemsky to a 4 year 5m/yr contract, what will you have to say? Signing hemsky means we're accepting that our team won't change much for next year besides some new young guys that we aquire in the draft.

This is a massive red herring of a specious argument. If my preference is to keep Hemsky (depending on terms, $ etc.) why would that imply that my preference is also to stand pat with the team? Who has ever made the argument here or elsewhere that the Oiler should re-sign Hemsky and do nothing besides?

As @Nate suggests up thread (#30) the $ issue isn't that big a deal. Signing Hemsky won't prevent us from keeping the kids and adding on D. So what would the reason be to stand pat if we kept Hemsky.

What would I say if that were the case: one more symptom of ST being a terrible GM.

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#68 A-Mc
February 04 2012, 04:37PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I'm on my phone so it makes it hard to copy pieces of a previous post. In short your response to a hemsky trader included a line about who would trade a top 6er for anything less than a soul, "oh yea.., idiots like the oilers".

I called you on that because you're better than that kind of comment. It's not worth scolding the obvious offenders.

Anyway, going on:

I suggest that if we don't trade hemsky, we're essentially not changing the team because I don't think we have any other pieces that we could move that would get us a Whitney type. It's questionable that hemsky would even bring in a Whitney, but he is our best shot. The other option is Gagner but I don't like the idea of moving gagner. Being as young as he his and his work ethic, I think he fits our oiler image. I'm under the impression that teams don't trade decent defenseman with out a capable body in return. This is why teams are home growing thier boys now. If this is false, and we can straight up buy a 5mill/yr stud D, then let's do it and keep hemsky (as long as hemskys asking price is reasonable)

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#69 Robin Brownlee
February 04 2012, 04:38PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Highly doubt that, Omark has more heart and will than Shremp can ever dream of having.

You know this how?

I don't think Omark is a player without offensive ability, but, like Schremp, that trait comes wrapped in limitations and lack of other dimensions. Those limitations are less of a factor when a team is absolutely starving for offence and doesn't have any high-end talent.

While the Oilers are far from a powerhouse on the attack, they do have considerable talent in their top six in Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle, none of whom have the GAPING holes in their game Omark does.

I'd suggest Omark is going to have to become a far more complete player -- he's older already than the previously mentioned three -- before this coaching staff or any other will give him a long look.

Maybe the heart and will you suggest will make a difference, although my guess is you don't have the first clue if that's true or not.

If it is, Omark will need it. Through his 56 NHL games Omark is scoring at a .48 PPG clip, which is pretty much what Schremp did (.47 through 114 NHL games) before heading for Europe.

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#70 DieHard
February 04 2012, 04:41PM
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What happens to PRV if Hemsky is re-signed? I think he has potential to be top6.

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#71 bazmagoo
February 04 2012, 04:45PM
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@DieHard

PRV still needs a full season down in the AHL before he realizes any top 6 potential I think. He just doesn't look like an NHL player to me .....yet.

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#72 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 04:48PM
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A-Mc wrote:

I'm on my phone so it makes it hard to copy pieces of a previous post. In short your response to a hemsky trader included a line about who would trade a top 6er for anything less than a soul, "oh yea.., idiots like the oilers".

I called you on that because you're better than that kind of comment. It's not worth scolding the obvious offenders.

Anyway, going on:

I suggest that if we don't trade hemsky, we're essentially not changing the team because I don't think we have any other pieces that we could move that would get us a Whitney type. It's questionable that hemsky would even bring in a Whitney, but he is our best shot. The other option is Gagner but I don't like the idea of moving gagner. Being as young as he his and his work ethic, I think he fits our oiler image. I'm under the impression that teams don't trade decent defenseman with out a capable body in return. This is why teams are home growing thier boys now. If this is false, and we can straight up buy a 5mill/yr stud D, then let's do it and keep hemsky (as long as hemskys asking price is reasonable)

Fair enough. I missed that one.

here it is by the way:

(who's going to give up top 6 and without serious pay back... oh yea... idiots like the Oilers - if you think they are easy to acquire by trade you are crazy)

But in my defence I missed it because it was targeted at the Oiler brass and conditionally so... not at a commenter.

I think the point stands. Letting a top 6 go for nothing is a bad decision. But I take your point. Maybe I got too hot and unruly. I'll try to be better.

I agree that we need D more than we need Forwards. but the best bet we get with hemsky (unpackaged with someone else) is a maybe several years down the line (unless we get a near ready prospect) and may never work out. I don't think another Whitney is coming without more in the deal or a UFA/FA signing.

And... then we will need to go find a top 6 forward while we wait and hope for that prospect to work out.

All that makes me nervous.

I'm not against trading per se... but I'm also not sold it's the best option. And I don't think you can disdain the option of a signing right off the bat and be successful.

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#73 DieHard
February 04 2012, 04:48PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

PRV still needs a full season down in the AHL before he realizes any top 6 potential I think. He just doesn't look like an NHL player to me .....yet.

If Hemsky is signed for 4years, again what becomes of PRV?

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#74 A-Mc
February 04 2012, 04:58PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

If it works out where we have to trade hemsky and gagner for a good D, then IMO, that's a bad deal. I would keep both guys.

The only thing that makes me nervous about keeping hemsky is that I'm afraid of his price tag.

If he took a 3year 12m deal (5m-4m-3m) with a 1m bonus for points over X/season, I would be ok signing him. That gives him 1 year to produce like he should, and 2yrs at a reasonable price/cap hit if we need to move him because he hasn't fit.

Horc isn't movable and I just hope hemsky isn't looking for a contract like that.

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#75 Robin Brownlee
February 04 2012, 05:05PM
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@A-Mc

Hemsky cannot have performance bonus clauses written into his contract at this point. CBA doesn't allow it.

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#76 Wanyes bastard child
February 04 2012, 05:09PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Also in regard to what Nate said (and I read this somewhere) the kids are already making close to 4 million on their ELC's I believe. It's really not going to cost us that much more to pay them, I'm thinking tack on maybe 6 million over what all three are making already and that is a pretty easy pill to swallow considering some of the contracts coming off the books.

I haven't done the math but this suggests to me that we can still pay Hemsky, keep the kids happy, get that elusive D-man we are looking for and still have cap room to tweak here or there.

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#77 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 04 2012, 05:13PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Your tone sounds a lot like a personal attack there man. Anyone who is looking to move hemsky doesn't warrant being called an idiot.

The math for me would easily be: trade hemsky for something like Whitney on the back end.(if you can)

The price tag on a legit, healthy top 6 would be about 5m-6m depending on thier role. I do not consider hemsky a regular top 6 for the oilers based on:

1. Work ethic 2. Leadership 3. Play making 4. Health (games played)

I would: Bring up a young guy to wing the second line. Hemsky's contribution seems to be passing. Omark's name comes up because he is a very good passer and is very hard to take off the puck. Other guys like a net crashing Hartik. Might work too.

3 hot shot youngsters, a .92PPG hemsky, a surging at times but overall good Ryan smyth, and a 2nd line center in Sam gagner has not brought the oil to the playoffs and is in fact looking to be a bottom feeder team once again . Obviously the front end talent isn't enough so you have to ask yourself, what part(s) of that front end are you willing to part with to get a decent defender.

If Hemsky isn't the guy to use to make that trade, then who is?

If this season comes and goes and tambo moves no one, but signs hemsky to a 4 year 5m/yr contract, what will you have to say?

Signing hemsky means we're accepting that our team won't change much for next year besides some new young guys that we aquire in the draft.

The amount of dancing the hemsky bashers are willing to do is hilarious.

It's very simple:

He won't sign - fine you trade him.

He wants a $ and/or term that you aren't willing to give - fine you trade him

You are offerd a proven Dman in return - fine you trade him

You are offerd a cant miss prospect or a pick you deem high enough to get a cant miss prospect - fine you trade him

The rest is just straws people are grasping at to try and prove their point.

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#78 OILERSORDEATH
February 04 2012, 05:14PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You know this how?

I don't think Omark is a player without offensive ability, but, like Schremp, that trait comes wrapped in limitations and lack of other dimensions. Those limitations are less of a factor when a team is absolutely starving for offence and doesn't have any high-end talent.

While the Oilers are far from a powerhouse on the attack, they do have considerable talent in their top six in Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle, none of whom have the GAPING holes in their game Omark does.

I'd suggest Omark is going to have to become a far more complete player -- he's older already than the previously mentioned three -- before this coaching staff or any other will give him a long look.

Maybe the heart and will you suggest will make a difference, although my guess is you don't have the first clue if that's true or not.

If it is, Omark will need it. Through his 56 NHL games Omark is scoring at a .48 PPG clip, which is pretty much what Schremp did (.47 through 114 NHL games) before heading for Europe.

Just from what I've seen Robin, Omark is a lot stronger on the puck and way harder to knock off the puck than Robbie was. And hearing about Omarks new found love for the gym tells me he really wants to work at his all around game to fix those gaping holes you state. I wish Hemmer would find a love for the gym, probably prolong his playing career. er

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#79 Gret99zky
February 04 2012, 05:14PM
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I think those suggesting Hemsky will sign with any team for $4 Million per year are being very unrealistic.

He will be looking for about $6 Million per year.

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#80 A-Mc
February 04 2012, 05:19PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Hemsky cannot have performance bonus clauses written into his contract at this point. CBA doesn't allow it.

*mater voice*

Aww dang.

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#81 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 05:22PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Hemsky cannot have performance bonus clauses written into his contract at this point. CBA doesn't allow it.

Can you explain the reasoning behind that decision? I've never heard that before. Are bonuses reserved for younger players or something? Who does that benefit more the players or management?

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#82 CDean
February 04 2012, 05:35PM
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I think it is laughable the assumptions that people jump to.

We do not know what is happening between the Oilers and Hemsky, his agent or anything. All people are doing is speculating. One person wrote in these comments that "the writing is on the wall that Hemsky is as good as gone."

How do we know this?

People from the media are promoting this thought because is getting over hyped that they do have any real information to go one. So more and more it is being speculated what COULD happen, but nobody knows what is happening in Oilers management.

That bad thing about this is could be a self fulfilling prophecy and Oilers management will trade him from pressure that is not really there.

A sad time for the Oilers indeed.

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#83 Robin Brownlee
February 04 2012, 05:39PM
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Here's the language:

PERFORMANCE BONUSES

What players may earn in performance bonuses?

Performance bonuses will only be permissible for the following types of players: (1) players on entry-level contracts; (2) players signing one-year contracts after returning from long-term injuries (players with 400 or more games who spent 100 or more days on injured reserve in the last year of their most recent contract); and senior veteran players who sign a one-year contract after the age of 35.

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#84 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 05:46PM
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@Robin Brownlee

thanks!

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#85 RexLibris
February 04 2012, 06:36PM
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I have been arguing that any return for Hemsky should be for high-end winger prospects like Tomas Jurco and Tomas Tatar because as it stands, the minute we trade Hemsky we're going to start asking the question: where can we find a solid, playmaking right-winger willing to go into traffic?

The organization has more depth in the prospect pool at defence than they do at wing right now, despite what external observers might say (I don't consider Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins as prospects). As well, if this year's draft position ends up being outside the top two overall we could be adding another defensive prospect to that group.

I believe Omark is a decent replacement for Hemsky at this time and that in two years we'll be discussing his future in the same terms that we are with Hemsky. I don't believe he will be a long-term solution and my hope is that the Oilers are in a position to leverage a high-level of performance on Omark's part into some more assets to assist in not only reaching a Stanley Cup but maintaining a significant post-season presence for a few more years. If you want to view it as managing assets in the most productive fashion, then eventually trading Omark (a 4th round pick) for even a first round pick would be an appreciation of value for the franchise as a whole.

I think Omark can play the second line right wing and bring some elements to it that can help. He can work the second-unit powerplay, he has shown an ability to cycle the puck along the boards and control a pace of play, and his propensity for turnovers, if I recall correctly, isn't substantially higher than Hemsky's of late.

Terry Jones used an excellent analogy the other day on 1260 when he said we need to figure out which players here today are going to be in that Stanley Cup photo that we all want. I don't think Omark will be, but I hope he becomes a very shiny bauble that the management can then parlay into someone who will be in that photo.

In the meantime, you have to admit that the man is fun to watch.

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#86 Rama Lama
February 04 2012, 06:43PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I believe that Omark and MPS are players deserving of an opportunity to play. Your supposition that there are only two choices ( that you listed) is without merit.

I believe that when Hemsky came into the league it took him three years to start producing so replacing him with a prospect or younger player, should be given the same consideration.

I would use that opening to audition any player deserving an opportunity........throw in Gagner in addition to MPS and Omark. Keep the cap space so that once free agency comes along we have some options. Right now we do not need Hemsky he has brought nothing to the table, and this my friend is NOT the way to mentor our youth.

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#87 blue31
February 04 2012, 06:49PM
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Tito and The Tarantula!

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#88 Rama Lama
February 04 2012, 06:51PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'm really looking forward to 2-3 years from now when the team actually has a shot, and you are left scratching your head looking for some secondary scoring.

Man I'm starting to see your true potential.........get into comedy, because man you are too funny!

I wait for the day to eat my words, and I suspect that day will never come. I love Detroit because they rarely get a player wrong........they said it all when they alerted the entire NHL that Hemsky has gone soft.......maybe not physically but most definitely emotionally and mentally.

We have too many up and coming players to worry about when Hemsky will find his game? Hey you wanna bet tonight against the team that just told him to PFO, he disappears?

Chicken

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#89 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 04 2012, 06:51PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I believe that Omark and MPS are players deserving of an opportunity to play. Your supposition that there are only two choices ( that you listed) is without merit.

I believe that when Hemsky came into the league it took him three years to start producing so replacing him with a prospect or younger player, should be given the same consideration.

I would use that opening to audition any player deserving an opportunity........throw in Gagner in addition to MPS and Omark. Keep the cap space so that once free agency comes along we have some options. Right now we do not need Hemsky he has brought nothing to the table, and this my friend is NOT the way to mentor our youth.

Time to stop giving things to prospects and instead force them to earn it.

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#90 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 04 2012, 06:56PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Man I'm starting to see your true potential.........get into comedy, because man you are too funny!

I wait for the day to eat my words, and I suspect that day will never come. I love Detroit because they rarely get a player wrong........they said it all when they alerted the entire NHL that Hemsky has gone soft.......maybe not physically but most definitely emotionally and mentally.

We have too many up and coming players to worry about when Hemsky will find his game? Hey you wanna bet tonight against the team that just told him to PFO, he disappears?

Chicken

We don't have anything that is even close to be a top 6 NHL forward that isn't currently On the roster.

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#91 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 04 2012, 07:01PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I believe that Omark and MPS are players deserving of an opportunity to play. Your supposition that there are only two choices ( that you listed) is without merit.

I believe that when Hemsky came into the league it took him three years to start producing so replacing him with a prospect or younger player, should be given the same consideration.

I would use that opening to audition any player deserving an opportunity........throw in Gagner in addition to MPS and Omark. Keep the cap space so that once free agency comes along we have some options. Right now we do not need Hemsky he has brought nothing to the table, and this my friend is NOT the way to mentor our youth.

I didn't say only two. I said:

"MPV, Omark or someone else in the system (Jones?)"

Development is an issue. But I don't tie it to Hemsky in the same way. I also take it that we see the AHL differently. I think it is a great incubator for players.

Look at Gagner. I would have treated him like SJ did Couture. Let him work his way through the system and arrive when he's got the confidence and is ready to go NHL style. Rushing players has it's down side.

This is basically the Detroit model. Retain talent and slow cook prospects.

Anyway... I'm cracking a beer... we'll do this again in a couple of days... till then I'm putting hemsky on the shelf... enjoy the game!

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#92 gcw_rocks
February 04 2012, 07:03PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

It's incredibly telling that you didn't bother to answer my questions.

Look you don't like Hemsky. Fine. Answer these questions then:

If you think $$ is the issue: how much do you expect to pay top 6 talent? (forget Hemsky just in general)

If you deal Hemsky who do you fill in that spot? There are two choices.

1) hope MPV, Omark or someone else in the system (Jones?) can play in that role. If they can perform at that level they will have overcome miraculous odds; Or,

2) you suddenly find yourself with not only gaps at G and D but a new one at RW. SO you either look to trade (who's going to give up top 6 and without serious pay back... oh yea... idiots like the Oilers - if you think they are easy to acquire by trade you are crazy); or by free agency... well who's available that will come, for how much (if you thought Hemsky's asking price too steep wait till you find yourself buying on the open market)

These are real problems that GMs have to deal with. It's not as simple as souring on a guy and trading him simply to move him. The ramifications are huge when trading a top 6 forward or top 4 D. You better have answers ready for these questions.

And, I'm sorry but right now LO and MPV are not the answer.

So, do we want to be a competitive team in the next two years? or do you want to put it off 3 more, hope the core of Hall, Ebs and RNH are still around and that your trade acquisitions turn out?

What's the bigger gamble? Instead of railing at Hemsky and his supporters, engage the arguments. Show me a path where trading him makes this team better either now or down the road that isn't simply "he sucks."

In other words, show me your work on this math problem.

Not my fight, but since the Oilers are at this point 29th and headed for the 2nd overall pick, and are hell bent on tossing 18 year olds into the NHL, what about:

Hall - RNH - Eberle Smyth - Grigorenko - Gagner

And if Columbus takes Grigorenko, then you are looking at:

Hall - Gagner- Eberle Smyth - RNH - Yakupov

Just sayin'

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#93 knobby
February 04 2012, 07:09PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I think it's far more likely Linus Omark ends up on the Rob Schremp tour than being a body that can fill Hemsky's spot for any length of time.

At this point an empty Bozo costume could play a more productive part on this team with more heart and compete than Hemmer. What Hemmer could be or was is not the point. It is what he is and I for one am sick of waiting for Hemmer to show up and play for the team in the role they need him to play. He is pouting and that look just doesn't fit into the team concept. Steve Yzerman, Hemsky is not. Change his play for the betterment of the team, mentor the youth...I don't see it in Hemmer's play.

Linus Omark is not even a close comparison to Shremp in terms of try and competitiveness. It wouldn't take much of an effort to be more helpful than the current performance of a thumb-sucking Hemmer.

Omark may fill the role to the end o' season but maybe the Oil might come up with a top six foward who fits the bill. Might Evander Kane be a fit who could be available?

Everyone wants Hemmer to succeed here but I don't tink his heart is in it, regardless of what he told Gregor.

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#94 etownman
February 05 2012, 12:11PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I think it's far more likely Linus Omark ends up on the Rob Schremp tour than being a body that can fill Hemsky's spot for any length of time.

Don't know what player you've been watching Robin but Omark doesn't resemble anything close to Schremp in my eyes!

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#95 Turnover
February 05 2012, 02:51PM
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I agree that Hemsky deserves at least a conversation with the brass. To not even talk to the man, is just not right. He's getting his game back on track, and seems to have a fire in his belly again. Replacing him with PRV? Remember someone said" PRV will have trouble scoring goals"? Yep. You have to have guts to score in this league. He doesn't have any.

At the very least, have a conversation with Hemsky. Signing him would be a good move by mgnt.

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#96 Lochenzo
February 06 2012, 10:08AM
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I was thinking a lot about Hemsky during the Red Wing game. He setup the one timer for Whitney which resulted in the Gagner rebound goal. Hemsky also took that big hit from Kronwall and bounce back up. First real big hit I've seen Hemsky take this year. I wondered if this was what was holding him back. Seeing Hemmer take a big used to be common place back in the day. I wondered if the constant shoulder problems and his durability was getting in his head. Taking the Kronwall hit and not having to go on IR, maybe that will convince him that he can play the way he used to.

I'm not in Hemmer's head, so I don't know what's going on up there. But if he plays like he did against Detroit, it will be difficult to replace Hemmer's abilities with picks and prospects. History suggests that Hemmer likes Edmonton, but that would be something Tambo needs to determine over the next few weeks while also evaluating his play. If he wants to stay, it should take a significant offer to move him.

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#97 Will Colford
February 06 2012, 12:13PM
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I really don't know why everyone is suddenly saying we should keep Hemskey, and how will we fill his spot and all this. He has been abysmal this year, and though he's been a point per game in previous ones, when you only play 40ish games in a year, that isn't too good either.

I done with trying to be sold that Hemsky is an elite level talent in the NHL, because on the Edmonton Oilers, that doesn't seem to be the case. So trade him already, let him go to another team and prove he's 'elite level'. Watching him glide around the ice, not putting effort into his shifts, turning over the puck again and again, trying to make the impossible play only to give the puck away, getting beat defensively always, enough!

As for filling his spot, He only has 22 points in 39 games. The same as Jones, but Jones has 10 goals in his points category compared to Hemskey's 4. Considering the Nuge and Gagner are fine play makers, why do we need a passing winger on the second line. Wouldn't a hard playing, energy winger that drives to the net be more effective for winning games?

Finally, Hemsky doesn't fit with the rebuild. He just doesn't. It is called a re-build because after tearing down the house, a completely new one springs up in its place. So trade him for the best damn defensive prospect or player we can possibly get. Package him with someone else if it means getting a legit top 2 or 4 d man. I see the oilers defense being less about a big time name like weber and more about 6 really solid members. Whitney, Smid, and (I never thought I'd say this) Gilbert make three, now lets get three more.

On an unrelated note I personally think our recent success has primarily to do with Whitney and Barker returning to the lineup. Before then, we struggled to make a good pass out of our own zone. Now we're able to play our game and break out on the rush.

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