SOME SERIOUS BS WITH SMYTH

Wanye
March 12 2012 01:05PM

 

Every now and again your ol' pal Wanye will stumble on information while standing in line at the bottle depot. It doesn't happen often and we don't make stuff up the rest of the time like other fake named internet bloggers.* So you can trust us when we say that the Oil are jerking around Ryan Smyth and that it is another example of how the organization is effing up in so many ways.

We recently had a conversation with someone connected to the Smyth camp. And when we say had a conversation it was the farthest thing from pretending to be some puffed up Media wannabe. No we came across as a tearful Oiler fan happy to be talking to someone who knows the scoop with Smytty.

This is the second time we have had a chat with this cat. The last time ol' #94 was still an LA King. At the time we drunkenly pleaded “Smytty needs to come home. He is probably peeling from the Sun down in LA and we miss him so much” before dissolving into tears and needing to be led away.

As we were being dragged from the conversation, this person lifted our spirits to the moon when they called out “that isn’t the craziest thing you’ve ever said. He does want to return to Edmonton, not because he doesn’t like LA but because he wants to come home for the rest of his career.”

ONE YEAR LATER

Almost a year to the day we ran into them again and gushed about how happy we were that ol’ Smytty was back where he belonged in Oil City. “An then he scored all them goals and he looked so happy and then the NUUUUUUUGE was happy and Eberle already has 30 goals an then Taylor Head got his coconut stomped on an we were all so sad an then -” began our “interview.”

“You know,” the person replied good humouredly, “it’s great how happy you are to have Ryan back in the fold. He is thrilled too and honestly can’t believe the reception Oilers fans have given him. It is killing him how contract talks are going and that he doesn’t have an offer yet from the Oilers.”

INSERT OUR STUNNED SILENCE HERE

Doesn’t have an offer? How is this possible we wondered – ostensibly in our head but infact aloud continuing the most painful conversation this poor person has probably had in months. “Well when he was considering leaving LA the Flames came to the table to make a serious pitch for him. He certainly didn’t ever think too hard about going to Calgary (insert our relieved face here) and then Katz phoned him personally and said that if he came back to Edmonton it would be for the rest of his career.”

“Then at the deadline he had heard rumours the Oilers were listening to offers for him. It didn’t go very far but that plus the fact they haven’t made him an offer even though the season is winding down is upsetting for him. He just wants some stability and to stay in Edmonton for the rest of his career. It’s too bad really.”

TOO BAD DOESN'T BEGIN TO CAPTURE IT

First of all Ryan Smyth is a Saint and the best Oiler in the past 20 years hands down. Guys with his heart, devotion to the team and long term output come along once in a blue moon. His shoddy treatment by this organization disgraces us all.

We would rather the entire brass, coaching staff and front office be summarily fired and shipped out of country than for Ryan Smyth to have another moment of his unhappiness on their account.

This organization doesn't deserve Ryan Smyth and it seems convinced to prove this time and time again. Think a world class outfit like Detroit would treat it's Ryan Smyth like this? Right.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

What about all the talk we saw on the TSN that said they were in talks with Smyth? How does a franchise that has serious issues inspiring loyalty among players, a franchise with a reputation for alienating NHLers and a franchise who has already boggled the ball with Smyth once allow these things to go into the eleventh hour?

This reminds us of the BS between the Oilers and Hemsky as was reported so well by Jason Gregor a few weeks back:

 “The trade deadline is 24 days away, and so far Ales Hemsky hasn't heard anything from the Oilers regarding his future with or without the team. How is this possible? Does Steve Tambellini believe that top-six forwards grow on trees, and that it will be easy to replace Hemsky?”

“It is ridiculous that the Oilers haven't approached him with anything significant to see if he'd be willing to re-sign. Maybe they will have differing opinions on terms of a new deal, but if the Oilers don't at least approach him and his agent then they have failed big-time in trying to ensure that this team becomes competitive.”

YOU KNOW

For an organization that has made some puzzling signings in the past 24 months – Barker and the three year contracts for Belanger and Eager spring to mind – how is it that the Oilers leave cornerstone contracts like Hemsky and Smyth contracts until the 11th hour?

This front office is something else. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the slow painful climb out of the league basement does it? We can't wait until this abrasive group are focusing their attention on re-signing Hall, Eberle and our precious Nuge.

SIGN SMYTTY FOR HEAVEN’S SAKES TAMBO. WE KNOW YOU READ THIS**

*Confirmed E5

** He doesn’t.

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#101 Buzz Lightbeer
March 12 2012, 03:52PM
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If someone said to you, the owner, if we just have a little patience until we see what will shake out and transpire before the end of June I might just be able to save you a million bucks, would you say no? How about 1/2 million. Money always matters to an owner. Smyth will get his piece of pie, Katz is a fan too.

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#102 Spaceman Spiff
March 12 2012, 03:54PM
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Wow, you people have to chill out a bit. Breathe. Take it easy. Hell, take a trip. Calm down.

I agree with Bleak Winter and others - I'm having a hard time working up much bile about this.

And that's even if I believed and trusted the source that Wanye is citing here (I mean that with all due respect to Wanye, who is merely reporting here).

My skepticism comes mainly from the fact that I'm not currently working as a general manager, or in any other capacity, for an NHL team. That means that I am really not qualified to know what unwritten statutes govern how long it should take a GM to make a formal contract offer to a player with whom he's publicly confirmed his intent to re-sign.

I just don't know the right number - days, weeks, months, whatever. I have no idea what's been promised to Smyth and what hasn't. I don't know the standard operating procedure is.

For those of who you do, or think you do, bless your hearts. You're brave to be guessing so much with so little information.

At this point, I feel compelled to remind you that a month ago, everyone (fans, bloggers, most mainstream media) all thought Hemsky was gone, too. And much of the media were ready to play up the story of an Oiler who was the exception: A star player who dearly wanted to stay in Edmonton but who was being railroaded out of town by an uncaring front office completely tone-deaf to its fanbase.

Of course, Hemsky signed - and to a fairly digestable two-year deal and Hemmer's still an Oiler. Why? Because this front-office (pardon the cheesy saying) knows when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. They probably deserve more credit.

As for Smyth - again, who the heck knows what the proper time is for offering a contract? Can any of you honestly say that you do? And, given what happened with Hemsky, are you willing to stake your best-guesses on that again?

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#103 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
March 12 2012, 03:57PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Only those more interested in splitting hairs than anything else didn't get the hang of your message from the hop -- RESPECT.

The same respect that he gave Kevin Lowe on July 1st 2007?

I really don't know why this guy deserves more than any other Oiler.

Yes I want him back, yes I think he'll be back, but you don't make a contract offer just to save face.

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#104 Clyde Frog
March 12 2012, 04:03PM
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Since there are so many insiders on this site, can someone forward the following to Tambellini? http://www.businessballs.com/psychological-contracts-theory.htm

I can also supply a couple text books, if the links are too simple.

For those who dislike reading other websites, here is a synopsis: Between every employee and manager there exists a Psychological Contract that defines the expectations and boundaries an employee exists in. If you void that contract in the employees eyes there is serious consequences in an employees want to work and perform.

No-one can argue that the players on the Oiler's roster are not incredibly talented hockey players and yet they never reach a performance plateau that allows them to compete with top the 70% of the league...

Maybe instead of hiring sports psychologists, new coaches, throwing bags of money into the dressing room, etc.. They should focus on the type of managerial style and corporate culture they are formenting in the organization as a whole to find that way of helping players realize their performance.

(This boiled down is that you meet players in a way they expect to get them to reciprocate. IE if you have prominent players expressing their bafflement at the lack of contract communication, you freaking change your approach!)

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#105 Digger
March 12 2012, 04:13PM
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When we're only hearing one side of the story on this, I'd rather not join in with the lynch mob. Everyone else can fill their boots, of course.

As for Smyth, I don't have as much an emotional attachment to him than most seem to. He's got his good points, but he's got his flaws to be sure.

I'm certainly open to having him remain an Oiler, but I hope his ego will be able to handle the eventuality that he will need to take a lesser role in the lineup.

And guys like Lander, Paajarvi, Hartikainen and Hamilton, while not being quite ready for the big leagues this year, will be a year older and stronger next training camp. It'll be interesting to see how Smyth fits in, assuming he's still here at that point.

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#106 Smokey
March 12 2012, 04:21PM
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@Spaceman Spiff

Hold them or fold them? More like bent over the woodbench. Number of contracts like say, Horcoff, Pisani, Staios, Moreau. More recent examples are Khabby, Barker, Nilson. This management team could not play go fish, let alone no holds poker. If this was strip poker Tambo would be left wearing a tie.

I would not mistake Tambo silence as genious. In regards to his trading ability he's been taken advantage by other GM's. His only real steal was Ryan Smyth, and that one he almost bunged up.

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#107 Robin Brownlee
March 12 2012, 04:23PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

Making a contract offer "just to save face" is what you took from my comment?

Way off.

As for respect to Lowe, Smyth had an idea what his market value was in 2007 and he and his agent stuck by it. What he got in his next deal, as opposed to what the Oilers were offering, tells me the Oilers were looking for a hometown discount Meehan and Smyth weren't willing to take -- and, ultimately didn't have to. Respect? That would be bargaining up until the 11th hour to get a deal done here. It didn't happen. Not getting it done has nothing to do with lack of respect by either side.

Bashing off a contract offer to Smyth in a rush now and giving him everything he wants by way of term and dollars isn't the way to go. Take Smyth aside and make sure it's clear he knows he's wanted here and that the team will do everything it can to make that happen when the time is right -- if the deal makes sense for both sides. When that time comes, stick to your word, but bargain hard. That's respect.

It's not really that complicated.

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#108 Danny Donkey
March 12 2012, 04:26PM
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@Wanye

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#109 Danny Donkey
March 12 2012, 04:26PM
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Wanye wrote:

Do I think one of the most loyal players to his team in the NHL who is in the twilight of his career should be signed to what could be his final contract of his career sooner than in the 11th hour?

Yes.

Wanye, mabye you can help me understand things by clarifying. You say that Smyth is one of the most loyal players to his team. I'm wondering how you make a statement like that based on what has happened in the past. Did Smyth not eventually get traded because he no longer would take a hometown discount and therefore did not accept a deal which was reported as being 100-200k per year off from the Oilers offer? Smyth also could have signed in the offseason with the Oilers (unless management didn't want to because they were rebuilding?)but instead chose to hit the homerun with Colorado's offer. If he is so loyal to the team and bleeds copper and blue, why did he leave because of money? I'm not disputing that the Oiler's management may have been disrespectful in offering Smyth 100-200k a year less then what he wanted, but if Smyth loved playing here so much and was so loyal, why did he leave?

Maybe some of my facts aren't accurate which would completley disregard this message so if any of my info is wrong perhaps someone could tell me the accurate info so I can better understand.

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#110 Robin Brownlee
March 12 2012, 04:34PM
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@Danny Donkey

Edmonton's offer was about $100,000 a season less than the absolute MINIMUM amount Smyth and Meehan were willing to accept.

That's a lot different than being $100,000 a season less than what Smyth thought he could get on the open market and what he actually signed for in his next contract.

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#111 Bleak Winter
March 12 2012, 04:34PM
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I'm not interested in splitting hairs, but I'll admit I may have flat out misinterpreted Wanye. If all he's saying here is that the Oilers brass are poor communicators, well really... same old story, different day. Add this one to the pile of things that don't surprise me about the Oil anymore.

I guess there was so much over the top emotion written into the story that I thought this issue was being presented as a call to arms like Gregor seemed to do with Hemsky. "I'm mad about something I know and can't fully share with you to protect the source, but trust me, you should be mad too and if we're mad enough together, we can get them to sign Smytty. Come on, get mad!". That's what I was reading... (For the record, I don't think I'm stupid either, so what does that say about me!)

The management either has to change or BE changed to be better communicators, sure. I was worried the trend was developing that an angry enough fan base can be made to force management's hand (for good or bad) because that's a double-edged sword. If the media or we as fans could influence the incompetent management when enough of us got irrational, well, that would just make us the Leafs.

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#112 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
March 12 2012, 04:40PM
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smyth is literally one of the few players who requested a trade TO edmonton. the giant game of chicken they played a few years ago blew up in everyones face, and in hindsight i bet things would be different if both sides could do it over again.

i dont fault smyth one bit for going for the home run. i also dont fault him for not signing back here that summer. we can rehash the details of the trade if needed i guess

The oilers have a guy who has been willing to do anything for the franchise, and has proven it in his play on the ice over the years, his HUGE off ice efforts in the community, and his trade request to come back.

the fact (if true) that the oilers havent even got down to offering him something is mind blowing to me. (and given the debacle that has been the oilers the last few years that says alot)

im not saying the oilers have to sign smyth, but for the love of gretzky at least negotiate with the guy and make an attempt to keep him.

/rant

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#113 druds
March 12 2012, 04:53PM
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I hope that Smittys idea of what he is worth has come way down from his previous contract because lately he has been looking no better than a good third line winger and every year it will get worse. He has really been showing his age and god bless him he still has his hands but his foot speed has definitely deserted him...I do not blame the Mmgt for taking their time.

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#114 Oil Bog
March 12 2012, 04:54PM
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As much as I am a Smytty fan I am ultimately an Oil fan. He said, they said, doesn't matter. Do I see Smyth as part of the team in 3 years, likely not. He is going to improve during those three years, likely not. Is he going to provide undeniable leadership over those 3 years to our rookies to take them to the next level, perhaps. Is that leadership any different than what Horcoff offers? I heard rumblings that the rookies wanted Hemsky signed. Are there rumblings that they want Smyth signed? The list of things that the Oil management have done wrong appears numerous. But hasn't one of our complaints been the signings of non-productive players. What if the signing of Smyth to a "loyal and respectful deal" prevented management from signing a top d-man in the off season. Would the benefit of signing Smyth outweigh that possibility?

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#115 DieHard
March 12 2012, 04:59PM
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I was and is a Symtty fan. BUT... he has thrown a wrench into the rebuild "PLAN" and yes, maybe that can be used to our benefit. At this time I think everybody (Smyth and Management) knows he's here next year. I don't believe dollar amount matters next year but the one after probably. Speaking of after next year, do the Oilers have to sign Symth until he wants to quit (what if he wants to play for another 10 years?). Is it up to him, he left.

Anyway, summertime is fine to sign and stick with 1 year NTC deals at a time.

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#116 dougtheslug
March 12 2012, 05:03PM
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I'm joining this discussion late and can't be bothered reading through 100 plus posts but it needs to be said the Oilers willingly took on a salary of 6.25 million dollars for a player on the downside of his career whom nobody believed would produce numbers worthy of the dollars being paid. If that isn't a sign of respect, what is?

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#117 DieHard
March 12 2012, 05:04PM
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Smokey wrote:

Hold them or fold them? More like bent over the woodbench. Number of contracts like say, Horcoff, Pisani, Staios, Moreau. More recent examples are Khabby, Barker, Nilson. This management team could not play go fish, let alone no holds poker. If this was strip poker Tambo would be left wearing a tie.

I would not mistake Tambo silence as genious. In regards to his trading ability he's been taken advantage by other GM's. His only real steal was Ryan Smyth, and that one he almost bunged up.

Lots of teams have contracts that you speak of. It's not an Oiler phenomenon.

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#118 Digger
March 12 2012, 05:05PM
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I'm sorry, but whenever I hear the myth about how Smyth repeatedly took 'hometown discounts' for the good of the Oilers, I just shake my head.

I challenge anyone to go over Smyth's career as an Oiler, look at what he was earning at that time, and compare it to what other left wingers were making at the time, who also had the same or better offensive numbers. IMO you'll find that his salary was absolutely in line with what his peers were making, with the exception of maybe one season.

In my opinion, this 'hometown discount' myth is an old wives' tale that has been repeated so many times ad nauseam that people simply accept it as fact because it fits their worldview...and Don Meehan has happily played that card over the years whenever he feels like negotiating through the media, which is often.

Both sides have been fairly compensated over the years.

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#119 bcoil
March 12 2012, 05:08PM
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Wayne ......me thinks you are being used by the Smyth Camp.........it wouldn't be the first time an agent has used the Media and Meehan is a pro at this .

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#120 nathan
March 12 2012, 05:09PM
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They definitely owed him something for trading himself to Edmonton for a 11th round draft choice or whatever it was Deano got in the end.

And they honoured that debt when they did not trade him for a pick at the deadline in the absence of a contract.

Some things they should not do:

1. Go beyond one year without serious mark downs with each year. If he needs to be paid for the upside of future years he needs to go short.

2. Insult him with a lowball offer. There is no hurry to sign a deal as long as they keep the channels wide open.

3. Give him deadlines. He wants to stay. If he wants a final offer give it to him but tell him it isn't final. It's what we can do today.

4. Listen to fans that think this is a hostage taking and the fuse is about to blow. Tell him they get that he wants to stay here and that the door is wide until July 1, start/end of training camp, whenever he wants it to be. The point is to realize that he is in the driving seat on when the deal will be struck not the amount of overpay.

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#121 I tried it at home
March 12 2012, 05:10PM
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To quote Mssr W. Gretz

We would rather the entire brass, coaching staff and front office be summarily fired and shipped out of country than for Ryan Smyth to have another moment of his unhappiness on their account

Im totally Ok with that, actually

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#122 CODD_FATHER
March 12 2012, 05:12PM
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I would love to see Smyth stay but only to a 3 year,3 million per and only on the 3rd line.

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#123 DieHard
March 12 2012, 05:13PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I'm joining this discussion late and can't be bothered reading through 100 plus posts but it needs to be said the Oilers willingly took on a salary of 6.25 million dollars for a player on the downside of his career whom nobody believed would produce numbers worthy of the dollars being paid. If that isn't a sign of respect, what is?

Hey Slug, I came late too but I read all the other comments just to make suer of what was going on.

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#126 Word
March 12 2012, 05:19PM
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Someone who worked in the Oilers PR department back in the day once told me that getting Ryan Smyth to participate in unpaid volunteer activities, etc. was like pulling teeth. Can't say I believed her at the time because he seems like such a nice "aw shucks" guy.

The truth is, (most of us) don't actually know anything about the guy on a personal level other than that he's media savvy enough to play like he'd gladly have a tooth knocked out every day for a "W" if that was all it took. With a few exceptions, he's won the fans over and that should create value to Oiler Management.

I'm not sure that management sees things the same as we fans do, but what scares me the most is I'm not sure that management even sees the fans.

As GM, it's Tambellini's job to commoditize his players so long as that doesn't prejudice his ability to hire replacements. But during that process, the one thing he can never do is alienate the Oilers fan-base. Wanye got so mad today he pooped a little*. I don't know how your supposed to treat Smyth, but I do know that's not how you treat your fans.

I read a business article about a guy who formerly managed a sports team and took one guiding principle into the business world that made him very successful: treat your repeat customers like season ticket holders. It seems like simple advice, but sometimes the Oilers don't even treat season ticket holders like season ticket holders...

* Pure conjecture. Likely accurate.

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#127 MistaWes
March 12 2012, 05:49PM
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im curious as to why Tambi is going to go out of his way to sign more players when he himself does not even have a contract extension in place nor Tom Renney. Until we know with out any shadow of a doubt that he will be our GM next season I say no contracts until our GM situation has been finalized

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#128 gcw_rocks
March 12 2012, 05:54PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

But I'll bet that Colorado had chats with him to let him know it was coming and feeling him out long before those contracts were signed. Something like: "Hey - we want you to be here, haven't done the paperwork yet but you can rest assured we will get something to you." Just ten minutes to let the player know where he is at would probably go a long way.

I get the distinct impression that those little deft touches to make a player feel important and wanted are missing.

Silence from Management leaves interpretation wide open.

Souray, Hemsky, Smyth.

Those are some pretty big name players, and all of them have felt ignored by management (if reports are correct). It's not like it's a Patrick Thoreson or Ryan O'Marra who is complaining that he hasn't had quality communication here.

It worries me.

If they haven't had that "chat" with Smyth, then I agree, they aren't handling it well.

But the media reports were pretty strong that there was a dialogue between Smyth and Management before the trade deadline to see if Smyth wanted to be dealt to a contender or stay around. It would be very odd to have that kind of conversation and not communicate that they intended to re-sign him in the summer, whether he stayed or was traded.

So, frankly, I suspect either Smyth didn't like that answer and is trying to pressure management, or they "source" is wrong.

Either way, I won't lose any sleep over it. The deal will get done and Tambo will overpay, because that is what he does.

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#129 Smokey
March 12 2012, 05:59PM
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Word wrote:

Someone who worked in the Oilers PR department back in the day once told me that getting Ryan Smyth to participate in unpaid volunteer activities, etc. was like pulling teeth. Can't say I believed her at the time because he seems like such a nice "aw shucks" guy.

The truth is, (most of us) don't actually know anything about the guy on a personal level other than that he's media savvy enough to play like he'd gladly have a tooth knocked out every day for a "W" if that was all it took. With a few exceptions, he's won the fans over and that should create value to Oiler Management.

I'm not sure that management sees things the same as we fans do, but what scares me the most is I'm not sure that management even sees the fans.

As GM, it's Tambellini's job to commoditize his players so long as that doesn't prejudice his ability to hire replacements. But during that process, the one thing he can never do is alienate the Oilers fan-base. Wanye got so mad today he pooped a little*. I don't know how your supposed to treat Smyth, but I do know that's not how you treat your fans.

I read a business article about a guy who formerly managed a sports team and took one guiding principle into the business world that made him very successful: treat your repeat customers like season ticket holders. It seems like simple advice, but sometimes the Oilers don't even treat season ticket holders like season ticket holders...

* Pure conjecture. Likely accurate.

Leave the second hand info on the curb. Goes against all the Stollery Stories and old lady mullet massages we come to know and love.

Next someone's going to say he slept with Tommy Salo's wife, burned his rental furniture, and knocked up a TV reporter, Yeesh.....

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#131 michaelz
March 12 2012, 06:14PM
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Mao, Putin, Stalin. What next? Sarris?

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#132 Oiler AL
March 12 2012, 06:15PM
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What to you pay the guy... You just resigned the high scoring Hemsky for $5m per for 2 yrs. SMyth has better numbers... I can see Meehan throwing this at Tambilini. Meeham will want the same deal Hemsky got for starters.The other angle he would use ,, hey your paying Horcoff $6m per year.. "My guy is worth $5.. for small. Yes my guy is older, but his injury history isnt as bad as those two other guys... etc etc. Tambilini is shaking in his boots with this problem.

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#133 Oiler AL
March 12 2012, 06:15PM
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What to you pay the guy... You just resigned the high scoring Hemsky for $5m per for 2 yrs. SMyth has better numbers... I can see Meehan throwing this at Tambilini. Meeham will want the same deal Hemsky got for starters.The other angle he would use ,, hey your paying Horcoff $6m per year.. "My guy is worth $5.. for small. Yes my guy is older, but his injury history isnt as bad as those two other guys... etc etc. Tambilini is shaking in his boots with this problem.

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#134 marconiusE
March 12 2012, 06:22PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Only those more interested in splitting hairs than anything else didn't get the hang of your message from the hop -- RESPECT.

I think most people were clear on that until Wanye suggested that Smyth had lived up to his contract.

I agree with Wanye's article, that the Oiler's seem to have a disturbing number incidents based around respect & communication.

But I don't agree that Smyth has lived up to the contract he left Edmonton for, and I'm happy Edmonton didn't sign him for their reported final offer either. I don't think 25 goals/year was worth 6.25 million for 5 years.

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#135 Fresh Mess
March 12 2012, 06:27PM
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He's over 35. 1 year contracts from here on out. Somewhere between 2, and 2.5 million. Anything more would be a bad contract IMO.

If Smyth wants to go elsewhere for more money that is his prerogative. That said I hope he stays.

The fans here have to stop looking at other bad contracts as comparables. The Oilers have enough of those.

The idea is to accumulate value contracts, not shackle yourself with ones you can't give away on waivers.

Then again, if 5 million per season for a smallish, one dimensional 15 goal scorer with 5 goals this year is as good a contract as the fans here believe, perhaps Smyth deserves to extended his current bloated salary for another year or two.

I nearly typed 'deep breath people', but I realized it sounded a little too much like the Edmonton classics "give your head a shake" and "you need to get your facts straight"

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#137 Hogan
March 12 2012, 06:38PM
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Every step, everything Smyth has done, has always been about the $$$. He has always put every team feet to the fire. Ask Lombardi. 1 year term 1.5 max. He has little/no leverage. He doesnt want to move. Tired of this guy & his camps posturing

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#138 David S
March 12 2012, 06:40PM
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Yes I want him back, yes I think he'll be back, but you don't make a contract offer just to save face.

See: Hemsky, Ales

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#139 Hogan
March 12 2012, 06:40PM
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Wanye wrote:

MY EYES

HE DOESN'T MAKE 6.25 MILLION A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS THAT'S HIS CAP HIT WHERE IS MY GUN

Wheres my gun is correct. Thats what he averaged over his contract. Its not too tough a concept.

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#140 David S
March 12 2012, 06:43PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

I'm joining this discussion late and can't be bothered reading through 100 plus posts but it needs to be said the Oilers willingly took on a salary of 6.25 million dollars for a player on the downside of his career whom nobody believed would produce numbers worthy of the dollars being paid. If that isn't a sign of respect, what is?

I'm not entirely certain the Oilers took on that salary "willingly", which may be part of the reason they're dragging their feet on Smyth's extension.

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#142 Word
March 12 2012, 06:46PM
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Wanye wrote:

Agreed. This flies in the face of everything I have ever heard about Smyth.*

*More 5th hand info

Sorry guys, I obviously wasn't clear -- I was trying to indicate that I didn't believe it either, but at the end of the day the only thing the club needs to focus on is what the fans think. By treating a fan-loved player with disrespect the club ends up hurting its image.

Poorly structured post on my part.

Of course... secondhand info is the crux of this entire blog-post is it not?

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#143 Word
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Wanye wrote:

Agreed. This flies in the face of everything I have ever heard about Smyth.*

*More 5th hand info

And my "*" wasn't supposed to say that the part about Smyth being a bad community guy was accurate - I was saying it was likely accurate that you pooped a little when you heard what was being done to Smyth.

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#144 Oilcruzer
March 12 2012, 06:49PM
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If Tambo hasn't taken Smyth to the next room and explained things so that he and his agent are good, then that's a blight on his skills.

As far as timing of the offer, we all know that there's intangibles, such as the discussion on the CBA and amnesty etc, all of which will impact capology scenarios. Waiting makes sense... But there better be communication to those who are waiting.

As far as what he gets paid... Sometimes you pay people for their point production, other times you pay for their past performances, other times you pay for their ethics and presence, other times you reward them for the number of jerseys they sell, and other times you reward loyalty.

In 94's case, you factor all of that in.

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#145 David S
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Word wrote:

And my "*" wasn't supposed to say that the part about Smyth being a bad community guy was accurate - I was saying it was likely accurate that you pooped a little when you heard what was being done to Smyth.

Poop. Heh heh.

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#146 Mitch
March 12 2012, 06:52PM
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Oiler AL wrote:

What to you pay the guy... You just resigned the high scoring Hemsky for $5m per for 2 yrs. SMyth has better numbers... I can see Meehan throwing this at Tambilini. Meeham will want the same deal Hemsky got for starters.The other angle he would use ,, hey your paying Horcoff $6m per year.. "My guy is worth $5.. for small. Yes my guy is older, but his injury history isnt as bad as those two other guys... etc etc. Tambilini is shaking in his boots with this problem.

The Oilers have bad salary structure most people want to over look this and say "we have lots of cap space". They will be slaughtered by agents IMO. Personally I wish I never had to EVER watch Horcoff or Belanger play another shift for the Oilers. They have unperdictable goaltending but someday Dubnyk will be a starter... Others think they must give Renney an extension, I ask why because we have the number 1 PP. I will look no further than where it really matters and notice that Edmonton is 29th. Most important is it really yr #2 of a rebuid? This is the biggest myth of all!!!

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#147 Fresh Mess
March 12 2012, 07:01PM
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@Mitch:

yep

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#148 Colin
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@Wanye

Considering there are better players to pay in the near future the cap hit is all that's relevant.

Is he worth the cao hit? the answer is no. I've never really liked smyth as a hockey player though, he seems a turnover machine to me. He adds value on the PK and PP but I've never thought him great at 5v5.

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#149 zed fox
March 12 2012, 07:51PM
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12-13 season as a third line left winger. Not what we need. Let him go.

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#150 SteadyEd
March 12 2012, 08:02PM
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Take a look at the 2013 UFA list. Now lets start the Smyth conversation again. I year at 2 million. Max.

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